Seriously, why would you want to buy a cheap computer from a store?
Convinience. Getting stuff shipped is a PITA; deliveries are always when I'm at work. I wind up driving to the UPS place or post office to pick the package up. Rather than log onto a usually poorly designed web site or call a phone number, give CC or bank routing info, then waiting a week or two, then findong an "attempt to deliver" note and driving farther than the stors is, I'd rather drive to the store, pick up the item, write a check, and be done with it. Mail order has always been a hassle, I only use it when necessary, like buying a motherboard or Raspberry Pi or other item that isn't available locally. If I can get it in town, I'll get it in town.
I am sick of being forced to buy the stump part of the muffin just to get the delicious, crusty top. I look forward to suing my baker for a refund of the cost of the unwanted base.
If the crusty part was made by a third party, and the baker made an agreement to give you a refund on the the crusty part then refused the refund, you would have a case.
No, the 22kHz is the Nyquist LIMIT. You can't go past 22kHz with a 44k sample. And as you approach the Nyquist limit, as the GP says, the aliasing gets worse. If you didn't use the filter, any samples above 22kHz would be missampled and produce audible and nasty sounding noise as loud as the signal itself.
CD audio is perfectly able to capture audio just as well as vinyl. There is nothing inherently superior about vinyl.
You're forgetting aliasing. The closer you get to the nyquist limit, the worse the aliasing (past the limit you get unbearable, audible noise).
A sqare wave does not sound like a sawtooth wave, and neither sounds like a sine wave. At 44k samples per second, there are three samples in a 17kHz tone. With only three samples, there is no difference between any of the waveforms. You have no such distortion with vinyl.
Vinyl also wears out over time.
I have LPs I bought in the late '60s that sound just as good as when new. Unless you have a REALLY crappy turntable with 20 grams of pressure, you aren't going to have any measurable wear whatever. Those old LPs your grandpa had? He probably scotch taped a penny to the tonearm to make his records stop skipping.
There is no need for physical media. If you are getting a nice 'warm' sound from your vinyl, that is an artifact of the sound distortion being introduced by your amp, or other parts of your equipment
No, the "warm" sound is the lack of alias distortion. If it were your amp you'd get the same "warm" sound from the MP3, which is playing through the same amp.
However, were they to raise the sampling rate 10x the 44k they use now, digital wouold blow vinyl away. But as it stands, any LP that was mastered from analog media will sound better than its CD counterpart.
Of course, if your tweeters are cheap shit, you're not going to hear any difference between a 17kHz sine and 17kHz sawtooth either. That's why good speakers had tweeters that would go well into the supersonic; I had a pair once that went to 30kHz.
As an aside, if you sample an LP that wasn't taken care of to CD, then rip to MP3, the LP's artifacts will actually be increased! I'm not sure what causes it, but it's audible.
Wow, you have COMPLETELY missed the point. If the power supply comes with a documant that states "you may not use this capacitor for porn. If you do not agree, you will be refunded the price of the capacitor."
Guess what? You get a refund. You completely missed the fact that MICROSOFT IS TRYING TO MAKE A CONTRACT WITH YOU.
Why not get rid of the middle? One of you young hotshots should write a program that does what FB, G+, and MySpace does/did that requires no outside servers, only the people you're connecting to.
R U literate? Jesus but that makes you look stupid. Stop it. You're not on a goddamned phone without a keyboard, and this isn't Twitter, you twit. STOP IT!!!
Profit, investment and corporations is why today we're all not living in farm houses with candlelight and no education.
The free market you worship did NOT make us educated. That was 100% a government endeavor. Just like the space program. Were it not for governments, industry would not be in space today.
The fact that it has no case and is so small is, IMO, its best feature. You can have it in any form factor you want. Add a hard drive, a couple of tuner cards, stick it in an old VCR you've ripped the guts from, and you have a home made DVR that says VCR on it. Gees, so many uses for this thing. How about an "FM" radio that will pick up almost every station in the world? Put it in an old stereo. The possibilities are endless.
Um, you're not a hardware hacker, are you? I haven't done this kind of thing since I was a teenager, looking forward to getting my hands dirty again. Hmm, I'd better get a soldering iron...
Lame. When I was a kid, Gone With The Wind and The Wizard of Oz were considered classics, and they were only 20 years old. Hell, thirty years before I was born talkies were brand new.
You're making us geezers look bad, grandpa. Stop it, or I shall stomp on your grass!
You know, I normally hate trolling (you wre trolling, right? You're not REALLY that ignorant, right?) but this one was a gem. It produced many very good comments by folks who seem to know what they're talking about. Well done!
Oh, good job fooling the mods, too. They'll give points to anybody these days...
Yes they can. They may not be able to keep you for more than a day or two, but they certainly can detain you. IN JAIL. With real criminals.
And a crooked cop can pull a bag of weed out of his pocket at a traffic stop and you're in deep shit, regardless of how law abiding you are. There's no way you can prove that isn't your pot.
When I was trying to get child support from Evil-X before Patty was 18, the guy before me had spent two weeks in the county jail despite following all orders and laws. He didn't get as much as an apology, although the judge did say it was a mistake.
And God help you if someone screams "PEDOPHILE!" or "TERRORIST!"
If we have rule of law, then why did nobody from Sony go to prison for vandalizing thousands of PCs with their XCP? If you planed a trojan and vandalized their computers, you'd be in a Federal pen for quite a while.
Rule of law, my ass. When laws are for sale, it's the rule of men. That's the situation you have today.
No, vinyl and reel to reel are superior to CD, provided you have damned good equipment. Back in the analog days, it made sense to buy the best turntable you could afford, because the more you spent the better it sounded. A good turntable would accurately reproduce frequencies from the subsonic to the supersonic, but a chap turntable (or worse, and integrated stereo) was lucky to have 300Hz to 18kHz. The bass was attenuated to get rid of the rumble caused by cheap motors and cheap bearings, the treble attenuated so it didn't sound tinny with the bass so attenuated.
The quadrophonic LPs modulated the rear channels with a 40kHz (IIRC) tone, which was demodulated on playback. I don't think a dog can hear a 30kHz tone.
BUt with a good turntable, CDs you make from LPs often sound better than the store bought ones, simply because they were poorly remastered. The leader of Boston was quite upset about that; all the dynamics are gone in the CD version of their first album.
Audiophiles used to have something to brag about. Now, except for speakers, cheap equipment sounds as good as expensive equipment.
I'm sure I'll get a response about cheap DACs. Personally, my ears aren't good enough to tell the difference, but the difference between the LP version of Zepplin's Presence and the CD version is profound. Not only are the dynamics missing in the factory CD, the frequency range is as well.
Analog and digital both have strengths and weaknesses, but for most, CD's strengths far outshadow its weaknesses. But if you have an analog master and a CD, or a digital master and an LP, you get the worst of both worlds, with the strengths of neither and the weaknesses of both.
VCR vs DVD? No contest. Period. Well, except you can fast forward through the trailers and FBI warnings on VCR.
I never considered myself a Microsoft customer when I bought that Acer. I'm Acer's customer. If Acer doesn't like the EULA they can talk to their OS supplier. I'm not a Firestone customer, either, even though Firestones came with the car. I'm not an Intel customer, even though the CPU is Intel.
I mean, think of what really inspired generation X. I don't think it was just the prospect of having a chance to sit in a cramped capsule in orbit for two days, and even that chance being lower than being hit by lightning.
GenXers were very small children when we reached the moon. Armstrong is of my dad's generation, Korea War vets. Boomers flew the shuttles.
Star Wars and its sequels are what excited GenX.
Even robots are not what we dreamed they would be. Instead of cool HK-47 style androids at the bank teller, we have the more logical thing of a box with a screen and a keypad. Instead of robotic vendors, we have the more logical vending machines. And instead of having a robot copilot, you just have an autopilot AI, because it would be stupid to build a humanoid frame where just a few chips will do the same job better. And instead of C3PO style protocol droids, we have cell phones with translator apps, or just a browser to point to Google translation.
And instead of "Logics" we have PCs and the internet... and phones and the internet.
And if you think for two seconds, you're not going to meet any hot green babes, Romulans, Vulcans, or anybody else that even remotely resembles Homo Sapiens. I've written a little SF on that subject myself.
Oh yes, hairyfeet is back to shill for his Microsoft masters.
Well, if he's a shill he's a good one. I've had a few MS vs Linux conversations with him. Sometimes he makes a few good points. I don't know why he was modded down so badly this time (but then I don't know why I get modded down sometimes when I point out how Windows is unintuitive and nonuseable).
I get the impression that he makes quite a bit of cash fixing Windows machines for users. If I charged for fixing Windows I'd probably be an MS apologist, too. I mean, do you bite the hand that feeds you? If I was a Windows box repair guy I'd be jumping for joy that Win 7 is less useable than XP, but saddened that it's more stable and secure, and glad it never caught up with Linux on the feature front.
But it's ok, I have plenty of karma and can pretty much say anything I want without worry. MOCROSOFT SUCKS! But that 's just my opinion... after using MS products for 30 years.
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Seriously, why would you want to buy a cheap computer from a store?
Convinience. Getting stuff shipped is a PITA; deliveries are always when I'm at work. I wind up driving to the UPS place or post office to pick the package up. Rather than log onto a usually poorly designed web site or call a phone number, give CC or bank routing info, then waiting a week or two, then findong an "attempt to deliver" note and driving farther than the stors is, I'd rather drive to the store, pick up the item, write a check, and be done with it. Mail order has always been a hassle, I only use it when necessary, like buying a motherboard or Raspberry Pi or other item that isn't available locally. If I can get it in town, I'll get it in town.
I am sick of being forced to buy the stump part of the muffin just to get the delicious, crusty top. I look forward to suing my baker for a refund of the cost of the unwanted base.
If the crusty part was made by a third party, and the baker made an agreement to give you a refund on the the crusty part then refused the refund, you would have a case.
No, the 22kHz is the Nyquist LIMIT. You can't go past 22kHz with a 44k sample. And as you approach the Nyquist limit, as the GP says, the aliasing gets worse. If you didn't use the filter, any samples above 22kHz would be missampled and produce audible and nasty sounding noise as loud as the signal itself.
Why do yoU have to completely rUin a very food comment with txtspk and twitspeak? God DAMN it but that's annoying. STOP IT!!!!!
I can't get poast two sentences of your posts without scrolling down in disgust. STOP IT!
On my bookshelf. Isn't he on yours?
I went from 1987 to 2002 without buying a whole computer... but a notebook is kind of hard to assemble.
CD audio is perfectly able to capture audio just as well as vinyl. There is nothing inherently superior about vinyl.
You're forgetting aliasing. The closer you get to the nyquist limit, the worse the aliasing (past the limit you get unbearable, audible noise).
A sqare wave does not sound like a sawtooth wave, and neither sounds like a sine wave. At 44k samples per second, there are three samples in a 17kHz tone. With only three samples, there is no difference between any of the waveforms. You have no such distortion with vinyl.
Vinyl also wears out over time.
I have LPs I bought in the late '60s that sound just as good as when new. Unless you have a REALLY crappy turntable with 20 grams of pressure, you aren't going to have any measurable wear whatever. Those old LPs your grandpa had? He probably scotch taped a penny to the tonearm to make his records stop skipping.
There is no need for physical media. If you are getting a nice 'warm' sound from your vinyl, that is an artifact of the sound distortion being introduced by your amp, or other parts of your equipment
No, the "warm" sound is the lack of alias distortion. If it were your amp you'd get the same "warm" sound from the MP3, which is playing through the same amp.
However, were they to raise the sampling rate 10x the 44k they use now, digital wouold blow vinyl away. But as it stands, any LP that was mastered from analog media will sound better than its CD counterpart.
Of course, if your tweeters are cheap shit, you're not going to hear any difference between a 17kHz sine and 17kHz sawtooth either. That's why good speakers had tweeters that would go well into the supersonic; I had a pair once that went to 30kHz.
As an aside, if you sample an LP that wasn't taken care of to CD, then rip to MP3, the LP's artifacts will actually be increased! I'm not sure what causes it, but it's audible.
Wow, you have COMPLETELY missed the point. If the power supply comes with a documant that states "you may not use this capacitor for porn. If you do not agree, you will be refunded the price of the capacitor."
Guess what? You get a refund. You completely missed the fact that MICROSOFT IS TRYING TO MAKE A CONTRACT WITH YOU.
Sheesh.
Why not get rid of the middle? One of you young hotshots should write a program that does what FB, G+, and MySpace does/did that requires no outside servers, only the people you're connecting to.
R U literate? Jesus but that makes you look stupid. Stop it. You're not on a goddamned phone without a keyboard, and this isn't Twitter, you twit. STOP IT!!!
If you're young you're almost certain to get the chance to go to space. I'm old, and I may even get the chance.
My grandmother was a nine month old infant when the Wright Brothers first flew. She was on a commercial airliner when I was a small child.
I was six when the Russians launched Sputnik. I still may be able to get to LEO! If you're young, you may make it to the moon.
Profit, investment and corporations is why today we're all not living in farm houses with candlelight and no education.
The free market you worship did NOT make us educated. That was 100% a government endeavor. Just like the space program. Were it not for governments, industry would not be in space today.
I see you've never read Animal farm.
The fact that it has no case and is so small is, IMO, its best feature. You can have it in any form factor you want. Add a hard drive, a couple of tuner cards, stick it in an old VCR you've ripped the guts from, and you have a home made DVR that says VCR on it. Gees, so many uses for this thing. How about an "FM" radio that will pick up almost every station in the world? Put it in an old stereo. The possibilities are endless.
Um, you're not a hardware hacker, are you? I haven't done this kind of thing since I was a teenager, looking forward to getting my hands dirty again. Hmm, I'd better get a soldering iron...
Lame. When I was a kid, Gone With The Wind and The Wizard of Oz were considered classics, and they were only 20 years old. Hell, thirty years before I was born talkies were brand new.
You're making us geezers look bad, grandpa. Stop it, or I shall stomp on your grass!
You know, I normally hate trolling (you wre trolling, right? You're not REALLY that ignorant, right?) but this one was a gem. It produced many very good comments by folks who seem to know what they're talking about. Well done!
Oh, good job fooling the mods, too. They'll give points to anybody these days...
Yes they can. They may not be able to keep you for more than a day or two, but they certainly can detain you. IN JAIL. With real criminals.
And a crooked cop can pull a bag of weed out of his pocket at a traffic stop and you're in deep shit, regardless of how law abiding you are. There's no way you can prove that isn't your pot.
When I was trying to get child support from Evil-X before Patty was 18, the guy before me had spent two weeks in the county jail despite following all orders and laws. He didn't get as much as an apology, although the judge did say it was a mistake.
And God help you if someone screams "PEDOPHILE!" or "TERRORIST!"
If we have rule of law, then why did nobody from Sony go to prison for vandalizing thousands of PCs with their XCP? If you planed a trojan and vandalized their computers, you'd be in a Federal pen for quite a while.
Rule of law, my ass. When laws are for sale, it's the rule of men. That's the situation you have today.
No, vinyl and reel to reel are superior to CD, provided you have damned good equipment. Back in the analog days, it made sense to buy the best turntable you could afford, because the more you spent the better it sounded. A good turntable would accurately reproduce frequencies from the subsonic to the supersonic, but a chap turntable (or worse, and integrated stereo) was lucky to have 300Hz to 18kHz. The bass was attenuated to get rid of the rumble caused by cheap motors and cheap bearings, the treble attenuated so it didn't sound tinny with the bass so attenuated.
The quadrophonic LPs modulated the rear channels with a 40kHz (IIRC) tone, which was demodulated on playback. I don't think a dog can hear a 30kHz tone.
BUt with a good turntable, CDs you make from LPs often sound better than the store bought ones, simply because they were poorly remastered. The leader of Boston was quite upset about that; all the dynamics are gone in the CD version of their first album.
Audiophiles used to have something to brag about. Now, except for speakers, cheap equipment sounds as good as expensive equipment.
I'm sure I'll get a response about cheap DACs. Personally, my ears aren't good enough to tell the difference, but the difference between the LP version of Zepplin's Presence and the CD version is profound. Not only are the dynamics missing in the factory CD, the frequency range is as well.
Analog and digital both have strengths and weaknesses, but for most, CD's strengths far outshadow its weaknesses. But if you have an analog master and a CD, or a digital master and an LP, you get the worst of both worlds, with the strengths of neither and the weaknesses of both.
VCR vs DVD? No contest. Period. Well, except you can fast forward through the trailers and FBI warnings on VCR.
Dude, don't feed the trolls. Jesus, I thought there was a joke there and clicked "parent" only to see a bunch of really lame racist bullshit.
Mods: please mod me and everyone else having anything to do with the GP troll down. Make this shit invisible!
I never considered myself a Microsoft customer when I bought that Acer. I'm Acer's customer. If Acer doesn't like the EULA they can talk to their OS supplier. I'm not a Firestone customer, either, even though Firestones came with the car. I'm not an Intel customer, even though the CPU is Intel.
Mybe, but you'll never get the fuzzy graininess of 8mm film!
I mean, think of what really inspired generation X. I don't think it was just the prospect of having a chance to sit in a cramped capsule in orbit for two days, and even that chance being lower than being hit by lightning.
GenXers were very small children when we reached the moon. Armstrong is of my dad's generation, Korea War vets. Boomers flew the shuttles.
Star Wars and its sequels are what excited GenX.
Even robots are not what we dreamed they would be. Instead of cool HK-47 style androids at the bank teller, we have the more logical thing of a box with a screen and a keypad. Instead of robotic vendors, we have the more logical vending machines. And instead of having a robot copilot, you just have an autopilot AI, because it would be stupid to build a humanoid frame where just a few chips will do the same job better. And instead of C3PO style protocol droids, we have cell phones with translator apps, or just a browser to point to Google translation.
And instead of "Logics" we have PCs and the internet... and phones and the internet.
And if you think for two seconds, you're not going to meet any hot green babes, Romulans, Vulcans, or anybody else that even remotely resembles Homo Sapiens. I've written a little SF on that subject myself.
Nobody gets the future right. Nobody!
I've been looking forward to it, where can I buy it in the US? Will I have to get it delivered, or will they be in stores?
Oh yes, hairyfeet is back to shill for his Microsoft masters.
Well, if he's a shill he's a good one. I've had a few MS vs Linux conversations with him. Sometimes he makes a few good points. I don't know why he was modded down so badly this time (but then I don't know why I get modded down sometimes when I point out how Windows is unintuitive and nonuseable).
I get the impression that he makes quite a bit of cash fixing Windows machines for users. If I charged for fixing Windows I'd probably be an MS apologist, too. I mean, do you bite the hand that feeds you? If I was a Windows box repair guy I'd be jumping for joy that Win 7 is less useable than XP, but saddened that it's more stable and secure, and glad it never caught up with Linux on the feature front.
But it's ok, I have plenty of karma and can pretty much say anything I want without worry. MOCROSOFT SUCKS! But that 's just my opinion... after using MS products for 30 years.
Only if you have a hardware problem... say, bad diodes or something. Life; loathe it or hate it, you can't ignore it.