I'm offtopic here (wish the 'no bonus' buttons worked), but I just wanted to say that you fellows have my thanks. IMO you're the most important of all city employees, and I say that as the son of a retired lineman that worked for CWLP (the city owns the electric company here). I've had need of paramedics more than once and you fellows do great work. Thank you.
And you're right about perception, one bad apple does spoil the whole barrel.
Well, yes, I'm not saying Windows is completely useless; if you're a professional image designer you're going to need a $700 copy of photoshop and an OS that will run it. Hardcore gamers will need Windows. But nobody but a professional needs (and few can easily afford) photoshop.
If I was still into gaming I'd have a dual-boot setup that defaulted to Linux, but the game companies lost my business years ago; I think the last game I bought was Quake III. DRM killed gaming for me.
Do you know how many people I know who still go to the edit menu to select COPY and PASTE rather than using keyboard shortcuts or even right clicking?
Oh, man, now I have to shut slashdot down because you made me think of work. There's an online database I have to put data into at work, so I just generate the data in my own database and copy and paste it into the online form.
It won't let me right click and paste, I have to hit Ctrl-V. Fucking kids these days can't design their way out of paper bags.
What I find interesting is that W8 feels like it has more concessions to power users than is typical.
Using the keyboard doesn't make you a power user. Being able to hack the registry to make it do things Microsoft doesn't want it to do makes you a power user.
Two words: mouse elbow. Microsoft doesn't document for shit these days and after using a computer for thirty years I don't want to fucking have to learn all over again!
I learned to drive 45 years ago and only had to learn once, even though automotive technology has changed completely. If Ballmer took over Ford, he'd swap the brakes and throttle.
At least, I don't want to relearn it without an overriding benefit, like when we went from DOS to Windows.
Or Windows to Linux, great improvement. Windows can't hold a candle to it, and it was surprisingly intuitive because it was logically laid out and not hard at all to learn (the console is like DOS, but I only use it when I forget my root password).
Your method is a bit more ergonomic, using only the keyboard. Using Office at work I not only get mouse elbow but my index finger gets sore from all the clicking.
Microsoft seems to go out of their way to make the design as unergonomic and hard to use as possible. Glad I retire next year and only have my own computers.
Illogical. That's thirteen clicks/keystrokes replacing two clicks (Windows, CP on W7). It's very inefficient. There's no way it can be faster. And what do you do when you're in a word processing document and want to access CP?
When your UI is so undiscoverable that people need to use search to get anything done, then you know you have a lousy UI.
...and REALLY lousy documentation.
Of all the things Linux has that Windows lacks, they had to copy "lousy documentation"? It sounds like they finally bested Linux on that front, a first!
Now if it would enter the password for me when I boot, (I live alone) and booted with everything open that was open when I shut it off, like my kubuntu tower does, I'll be less unimpressed.
I do have to give MS credit for having a sense of humor, given the "Windows Blue" name. Hopefully for those who have to use it it will blow less after 8.1.
I hear we're finally getting Windows 7 at work soon. I'm glad I'll be retired before they go to W8.
I need to get off my lazy ass and put Linux on this W7 notebook, but I've been too busy working on that book to even log into/. (taking a break from it today).
What's weirder to me is that the download is through the Windows Store, not the regular Windows Update.
Get used to it. My money says when you get the update notifications from now on, clicking "install" will take you to the Windows app store.
When their ads proudly shout that they sold so many licenses, they're telling the truth. You, the home user, are not their customers, the OEM who built the computer is.
I'm sure they want to change that and have you, the user, actually be their customer. They're probably salivating at the thought of all those users becoming paying customers.
If all you want is a start menu just install kubuntu or Mandriva and you'll have all the functionality of all the versions of Windows, with no lacking features whatever, plus features Windows never had. And your system will be faster and more responsive.
Oh there is an arcane way to get to the desktop without first entering metro but you will still have to deal with it alot
TFS itself says it's free. Oh, and there are two Ls in "allot". As to the start menu:
I'll have a blue Windows without you. I'll be so blue just thinking about you. tiles of pastel on a blue MS screen Won't be the same dear, boy Ballmer is mean!
And when those blue widgets start falling That's when those blue memories start calling You'll be doin' all right, with your riches and might But I'll have a blue, blue blue blue Windows
(Apologies to Billy Hayes and Jay Johnson, whose lyrics I just mangled)
Apparently you don't realize that he is, in fact, trying to impress you. If he weren't, he wouldn't be advertising his philanthropy, but would do so quietly. And judging by your response and the moderation on my comment, he did a damned good job of impressing a whole lot of you.
Would you let yourself be implanted with a Microsoft device?? I wouldn't, and I am a device-implanted cyborg! So I think that gates-of-borg icon is hilarious for that reason.
Considering that he has more money than anyone could spend in ten lifetimes, Gates' philanthropy is like you buying a hamburger for a homeless man. I'm just not impressed. I'm far more impressed with the hungry man who shares half that hamburger with another homeless man.
You realize his father reportedly shamed him into philanthropy, right? And his parents are lawyers!
Problem with the God concept is that it is relative to a flat Earth mentality; God is always UP! above us. Which effing way is "up" when you know you're on a rotating, spheroidal planet, orbiting a star, spinning around a galaxy, surrounded by other galaxies all careening through space-time on the waves of the Big Bang?
Every direction is up, and I don't recall any bible passages that says it's "up".
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TFA said nothing of his religion, and the guy didn't look Arabic. So WTF does the tenets of Islam have to do with it?
I'm offtopic here (wish the 'no bonus' buttons worked), but I just wanted to say that you fellows have my thanks. IMO you're the most important of all city employees, and I say that as the son of a retired lineman that worked for CWLP (the city owns the electric company here). I've had need of paramedics more than once and you fellows do great work. Thank you.
And you're right about perception, one bad apple does spoil the whole barrel.
Of course it can, and it doesn't need a supercomputer. A competent programmer could do it with a 386.
I hadn't heard about it either. Need to get a download started before I go back to work...
Wow... (head asplodes)
Yes, I have said that before but never expected to be quoted. I'd thank you if I thought you'd see the response, AC.
I'm going to have to give Linux Mint a try, everyone who mentions it mentions it positively. I need to get Linux on this laptop, anyway.
Well, yes, I'm not saying Windows is completely useless; if you're a professional image designer you're going to need a $700 copy of photoshop and an OS that will run it. Hardcore gamers will need Windows. But nobody but a professional needs (and few can easily afford) photoshop.
If I was still into gaming I'd have a dual-boot setup that defaulted to Linux, but the game companies lost my business years ago; I think the last game I bought was Quake III. DRM killed gaming for me.
Those are good points, and I don't hate Gates, but he'll have to do a LOT of good to even begin to make up for the misery he's caused so many.
The same goes for Rockefeller, whose money is still doing good a century later. He was worse than Gates; his evil killed people.
So educate me, what functionality and features does Windows have that Linux lacks?
Do you know how many people I know who still go to the edit menu to select COPY and PASTE rather than using keyboard shortcuts or even right clicking?
Oh, man, now I have to shut slashdot down because you made me think of work. There's an online database I have to put data into at work, so I just generate the data in my own database and copy and paste it into the online form.
It won't let me right click and paste, I have to hit Ctrl-V. Fucking kids these days can't design their way out of paper bags.
What I find interesting is that W8 feels like it has more concessions to power users than is typical.
Using the keyboard doesn't make you a power user. Being able to hack the registry to make it do things Microsoft doesn't want it to do makes you a power user.
Two words: mouse elbow. Microsoft doesn't document for shit these days and after using a computer for thirty years I don't want to fucking have to learn all over again!
I learned to drive 45 years ago and only had to learn once, even though automotive technology has changed completely. If Ballmer took over Ford, he'd swap the brakes and throttle.
At least, I don't want to relearn it without an overriding benefit, like when we went from DOS to Windows.
Or Windows to Linux, great improvement. Windows can't hold a candle to it, and it was surprisingly intuitive because it was logically laid out and not hard at all to learn (the console is like DOS, but I only use it when I forget my root password).
Your method is a bit more ergonomic, using only the keyboard. Using Office at work I not only get mouse elbow but my index finger gets sore from all the clicking.
Microsoft seems to go out of their way to make the design as unergonomic and hard to use as possible. Glad I retire next year and only have my own computers.
Illogical. That's thirteen clicks/keystrokes replacing two clicks (Windows, CP on W7). It's very inefficient. There's no way it can be faster. And what do you do when you're in a word processing document and want to access CP?
When your UI is so undiscoverable that people need to use search to get anything done, then you know you have a lousy UI.
Of all the things Linux has that Windows lacks, they had to copy "lousy documentation"? It sounds like they finally bested Linux on that front, a first!
Now if it would enter the password for me when I boot, (I live alone) and booted with everything open that was open when I shut it off, like my kubuntu tower does, I'll be less unimpressed.
I do have to give MS credit for having a sense of humor, given the "Windows Blue" name. Hopefully for those who have to use it it will blow less after 8.1.
I hear we're finally getting Windows 7 at work soon. I'm glad I'll be retired before they go to W8.
I need to get off my lazy ass and put Linux on this W7 notebook, but I've been too busy working on that book to even log into /. (taking a break from it today).
What's weirder to me is that the download is through the Windows Store, not the regular Windows Update.
Get used to it. My money says when you get the update notifications from now on, clicking "install" will take you to the Windows app store.
When their ads proudly shout that they sold so many licenses, they're telling the truth. You, the home user, are not their customers, the OEM who built the computer is.
I'm sure they want to change that and have you, the user, actually be their customer. They're probably salivating at the thought of all those users becoming paying customers.
Oh, W8.1's free, all right. It's its users that aren't.
If all you want is a start menu just install kubuntu or Mandriva and you'll have all the functionality of all the versions of Windows, with no lacking features whatever, plus features Windows never had. And your system will be faster and more responsive.
Windows? Ballmer blue it!
Oh there is an arcane way to get to the desktop without first entering metro but you will still have to deal with it alot
TFS itself says it's free. Oh, and there are two Ls in "allot". As to the start menu:
I'll have a blue Windows without you.
I'll be so blue just thinking about you.
tiles of pastel on a blue MS screen
Won't be the same dear, boy Ballmer is mean!
And when those blue widgets start falling
That's when those blue memories start calling
You'll be doin' all right, with your riches and might
But I'll have a blue, blue blue blue Windows
(Apologies to Billy Hayes and Jay Johnson, whose lyrics I just mangled)
And what have you done?
I'll tell you what I haven't done, and that's publicize my own giving. Alms should be given in secret.
As to what I have done, I'm not going to brag about that, either.
Apparently you don't realize that he is, in fact, trying to impress you. If he weren't, he wouldn't be advertising his philanthropy, but would do so quietly. And judging by your response and the moderation on my comment, he did a damned good job of impressing a whole lot of you.
Would you let yourself be implanted with a Microsoft device?? I wouldn't, and I am a device-implanted cyborg! So I think that gates-of-borg icon is hilarious for that reason.
"Set your phasers on bluescreen!"
Considering that he has more money than anyone could spend in ten lifetimes, Gates' philanthropy is like you buying a hamburger for a homeless man. I'm just not impressed. I'm far more impressed with the hungry man who shares half that hamburger with another homeless man.
You realize his father reportedly shamed him into philanthropy, right? And his parents are lawyers!
I'm also not a fan of his reprehensible business practices.
That's the old covenant, Jewish and Muslim religions. Christians' sins were paid for in blood.
First of all, the Matrix? Seriously?
Which pill did you take? ;)
No, not seriously.
I would like to see more studies done.
So would I.
Problem with the God concept is that it is relative to a flat Earth mentality; God is always UP! above us. Which effing way is "up" when you know you're on a rotating, spheroidal planet, orbiting a star, spinning around a galaxy, surrounded by other galaxies all careening through space-time on the waves of the Big Bang?
Every direction is up, and I don't recall any bible passages that says it's "up".
I'm not a historian, but I ran across wikipedia articles noodling in google. Google should help you with it.