What your were responding to wasn't a tirafe against religion, but in illiterate thinking.
While we could debate the quality of any religion that purports to know science better than science does, I think it's moot. Fundamentalism in particular has never been about thinking, but about controlling the what others think. It is less about religion than control, and I'm thankful its in the dwindling minority of religions worldwide.
No matter how outlandish the belief, a religion offers hope in the form of faith. But once that faith seeks to take jobs it was never meant to fulfill (such as science), it has ceased to be a religion.
They claim that the Operating System market is not their monopoly, and they're right - I use Linux.
Point of order: just because you don't ride the train doesn't mean there's not a monopoly over the rails.
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The kernel loads stuff as it needs it but it all runs in one address-space.
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I just love Be because it's a microkernel that gives that blowhard Torvalds the big middle finger in response to his ignorant diatribes against microkernels.
Actually, you've made the same mistake I've made in the past. The BeOS doesn't use a microkernel architecture.
Everyone must be using Unix today to be anyone. Since when did you see Windoze or even a Mac (that wasn't called; a "great Unix system") in a major motion picture? Why spend for Silicon Graphics when Linux or FreeBSD will do fine? Trouble is, of course, is that FreeBSD ir Linux won't do just fine, except for in-house/developed renderers in a server environment. That is, back-end, not production, which requires a good OpenGL environment and applications for 3D. Here, SGI, MacOS, and even NT are infinitely better than the Freeuixes.
I've done so. For general interest, this is what I sent them.
Sigh. I do wish I could control the temper thing, though...
This message is for the corporate officers and lawyers who work for/at etoys.com.
Your recent work to limit free speech on the internet has me concerned enough to purchase toys from legitimate corporations and resellers. I'm sorry, but you had no business taking etoy.com to court.
As a result, I will be distrubting the story of your actions to as many people as I can get ahold of, and likewise advise them to do the same.
For years, for all the years that etoy.com has been in existence, you did nothing, and your now doing so reveals nothing but your own implacable confusion regarding what the internet is about. Basically, it is just not a tool to line your own pockets, especially not at the expense of others, others' freedoms, rights, or tolerance, regardless of which nation hosts them.
I have no use for you. I doubt anyone else I know has any use for you either, especially as there are so many other sites and places to do business. Hopefully, your actions will not taint eCommerce any further.
It would be too bad if your own stupidity and greed put you out of business, but those that sow the seed of intolerance should enjoy their bitter harvest.
SGI has been going down hill since atleast 1996. It is around that time they tried to get into the web server market with the Origin 200. The Origin 200 was a cool machine. With its CRAYLink you could connect two machines and nearly double you performance. However it was much more power then you needed and IRIX never had a reputation for security.
Yes, an undeservedly so. Security is more an issue with sysadmin completence, and less of platform.
And I don't think its for you to say how much power is needed for a particular application.
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If a director relies on a fan base to keep making money between movies, then he owes it to that fan base to make movies for them, not dump them after getting their money and make a movie designed purely to sell plastic crap.
Nyet. A creator owes you nothing after you've seen the movie, regardless of the creator's motive.
If you bought the plastic crap, or went to see, you made a conscious choice to do so, and you did so without expecting to be treated like royalty.
And let's be honest. No fan base ever deserves to be treated like royalty, regardless of what they're fans of. The price of admission is what you pay, and the value of the entertainment/product is all that you are owed.
The message SGI is giving the market is indeed that IRIX may be sufficient now, but with a bit of effort Linux wiull probably surpass it. Anyone who'd been considering buying SGI will now go to someone who's 100% behind their systems (and I'm sure there will be many current customers who'll shift because of this as well). Idiots.
I don't necessarily think so. For one, "a bit of effort" is prolly going to turn out to be a year or two, and most people buying workstations will need their solutions solved now.
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Practically speaking, they picked cats for the sophistication of their eyes, and they picked cats because they are animals (not-humans). Their nervous systems are actually every bit as complex as humans', which actually makes them ideal subjects for an experiment you might expect to scale to human beings.
Whoops. This paragraph only makes sense if I finish it:
Perhaps [I should write about the] very narrow view most people have regarding computers here. Some of us still don't like the command line, even after using it for lots of our computer-using lives.
If I say I'm using a workstation right now that has been up for 24 days, what does that prove, even if you accept it? If I say the only time an SGI has ever crashed on me in four years' use was during the installation of buggy WACOM tablet drivers, would that impress you?
What would you want?
I dismiss people who say SGI is dying as spreading FUD. That SGI is unstable... I don't accept. SGI has done a lot of good lately, and I think it's obvious that many are refusing to accept this, and are still offering the same excuses as last year, as though nothing has changed, and maybe not enough has.
And, later, you ask what's wrong with ksh on Linux...
You can't start Lightwave from it.
Perhaps very narrow view most people have regarding computers here. Some of us still don't like the command line, even after using it for lots of our computer-using lives.
Obviously, not being able to start LW from ksh isn't the real issue, it's working in an environment that is consistent and stable, which IRIX is. If SGI can deliver Linux in such a way to reduce concerns about stability or compatibility, it won't matter to me, personally, what I'm using.
Yes, for the record, I see nothing wrong with 4Dwm. Or Indigo Magic. At least, i don't have problems that can't be leveled at X-windows in general, across the board, and whatever the window manager.
Soory, I should have clarified: I'm not in the employ of SGI, and I never have been, either.
And, naturally, I disagree it's FUD. Naturally, I don't expect to find to many graphics people using Linux, but my point was it won't matter to most of us if we suddenly find we are, so long as it means we still have our apps and environment.
Yes, I do remember that roadmap. It very clearly delinated IRIX as living on IA-64 (Merced), and MIPS for quite some time to come.
NT was still at the low-end of the division, and was in no way replacing IRIX.
MIPS was the only part of the equation set to 'go away.'
And I just can't understand anyone who is "rankled" by this. Am I the only one with any sort of vendor loyalty who just doesn't care about NT?
Suffice to say, it's moot anyway. The big plan now is to add Linux to their roadmap, while IRIX remains on MIPS through R14000 and posisbly the R16000.
Nonsense. Anyone who has used IRIX knows how horrible it is at multi-tasking (I recall compiling on an O2 or an Octane and witnessing other processes grind to a halt) and other functionality that we take for granted under other operating systems. SGI doesn't make money selling an OS; it makes money on hardware. IMHO, opting for Linux instead of IRIX is probably one of the better software ideas SGI has had.
Normally I try not to respond to unbelievably unqualified commentary, but in your case, I'll make an exception.
I use IRIX daily, and despite doing multiple renders with Lightwave, BMRT, Povray, and a number of other CPU-hogging resources, I've never had any problems with speed or responsiveness, despite working with huge files and GIMP. Of course, my systems have a decent amounts of RAM and disk-space, and I actually know what I'm doing.
You may not. I'm just saying I have no evidence of your competence, other than 'you saw an SGI once.'
Anyway, next time, try and get some details about the system in case someone likes me insists you put your money where your mouth is.
There's your reason. But, really, if you can build your own computer, why don't you just go and do it instead of whining about not being able to afford an SGI prebuilt and warrantied for you?
Personally, I dislike building computers from scratch. But you don't see me whining about how much more I'd spend if only someone would do it for me, do you?
There's your reason. But, really, if you can build your own computer, why don't you just go and do it instead of whining about not being able to afford an SGI prebuild and warrantied for you?
Personally, I dislike building computers from scratch. But you don't see me whining about how much more I'd spend if only someone would od it for me, do you?
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What your were responding to wasn't a tirafe against religion, but in illiterate thinking.
While we could debate the quality of any religion that purports to know science better than science does, I think it's moot. Fundamentalism in particular has never been about thinking, but about controlling the what others think. It is less about religion than control, and I'm thankful its in the dwindling minority of religions worldwide.
No matter how outlandish the belief, a religion offers hope in the form of faith. But once that faith seeks to take jobs it was never meant to fulfill (such as science), it has ceased to be a religion.
They claim that the Operating System market is not
their monopoly, and they're right - I use Linux.
Point of order: just because you don't ride the train doesn't mean there's not a monopoly over the rails.
The kernel loads stuff as it needs it but it all runs in one address-space.
I just love Be because it's a microkernel that gives that blowhard Torvalds the big middle
finger in response to his ignorant diatribes against microkernels.
Actually, you've made the same mistake I've made in the past. The BeOS doesn't use a microkernel architecture.
Most decidedly not, in fact. Just, y'know, FYI.
Everyone must be using Unix today to be anyone. Since when did you see Windoze or even a Mac (that wasn't called; a "great Unix system") in a major motion picture? Why spend for Silicon Graphics when Linux or FreeBSD will do fine? Trouble is, of course, is that FreeBSD ir Linux won't do just fine, except for in-house/developed renderers in a server environment. That is, back-end, not production, which requires a good OpenGL environment and applications for 3D. Here, SGI, MacOS, and even NT are infinitely better than the Freeuixes.
Hey! That's actually pretty cool. Good name for a company that works with adult literacy.
Copyright! I Call!
I've done so. For general interest, this is what I sent them.
Sigh. I do wish I could control the temper thing, though...
This message is for the corporate officers and lawyers who work for/at etoys.com.
Your recent work to limit free speech on the internet has me concerned enough to purchase toys from legitimate corporations and resellers. I'm sorry, but you had no business taking etoy.com to court.
As a result, I will be distrubting the story of your actions to as many people as I can get ahold of, and likewise advise them to do the same.
For years, for all the years that etoy.com has been in existence, you did nothing, and your now doing so reveals nothing but your own implacable confusion regarding what the internet is about. Basically, it is just not a tool to line your own pockets, especially not at the expense of others, others' freedoms, rights, or tolerance, regardless of which nation hosts them.
I have no use for you. I doubt anyone else I know has any use for you either, especially as there are so many other sites and places to do business. Hopefully, your actions will not taint eCommerce any further.
It would be too bad if your own stupidity and greed put you out of business, but those that sow the seed of intolerance should enjoy their bitter harvest.
Happy Christmas.
Sincerely,
Scott Elyard
And, on the other hand, there isn't any SGI hardware that can outperform even a
TNT2 for fillrate.
Even a TNT2 can put textures onto polygons faster than any SGI hardware that i
know of.
I wonder how extensive your testing has been, and how valid? Octane MXE? Onyx2?
10,000 polys vs. millions?
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Your applications may benefit from an SGI box, but mine positively suffer.
If Quake is it, who cares? You can't use Quake to build a world like Riven. Or even Myst.
But what of the announcement that they plan to keep Irix going until 2006? That
would seem to indicate Irix is on the way out.
I think that's subject to interpretation. To me, it means the viability of IRIX will be reassessed come 2006, not that IRIX will be totally abandoned.
A lot can happen between now and then.
SGI has been going down hill since atleast 1996. It is around that time they tried to get into the web server market with the Origin 200. The Origin 200 was a cool machine. With its CRAYLink you could connect two machines and nearly double you performance. However it was much more power then you needed and IRIX never had a reputation for security.
Yes, an undeservedly so. Security is more an issue with sysadmin completence, and less of platform.
And I don't think its for you to say how much power is needed for a particular application.
If a director relies on a fan base to keep making money between movies, then he owes it to that fan base to make movies for them, not dump them after getting their money and make a movie designed purely to sell plastic crap.
Nyet. A creator owes you nothing after you've seen the movie, regardless of the creator's motive.
If you bought the plastic crap, or went to see, you made a conscious choice to do so, and you did so without expecting to be treated like royalty.
And let's be honest. No fan base ever deserves to be treated like royalty, regardless of what they're fans of. The price of admission is what you pay, and the value of the entertainment/product is all that you are owed.
Deal with it.
The message SGI is giving the market is indeed that IRIX may be sufficient now, but
with a bit of effort Linux wiull probably surpass it. Anyone who'd been considering
buying SGI will now go to someone who's 100% behind their systems (and I'm sure
there will be many current customers who'll shift because of this as well). Idiots.
I don't necessarily think so. For one, "a bit of effort" is prolly going to turn out to be a year or two, and most people buying workstations will need their solutions solved now.
Nyet. It's SGI technology to begin with.
A Miscategorization would have been to call it a Sun or BeOS-related article.
Whoops. This paragraph only makes sense if I finish it:
Perhaps [I should write about the] very narrow view most people have regarding computers here. Some of us still don't like the command line, even after using it for lots of our computer-using lives.
What would you accept as proof of stability?
If I say I'm using a workstation right now that has been up for 24 days, what does that prove, even if you accept it? If I say the only time an SGI has ever crashed on me in four years' use was during the installation of buggy WACOM tablet drivers, would that impress you?
What would you want?
I dismiss people who say SGI is dying as spreading FUD. That SGI is unstable... I don't accept. SGI has done a lot of good lately, and I think it's obvious that many are refusing to accept this, and are still offering the same excuses as last year, as though nothing has changed, and maybe not enough has.
And, later, you ask what's wrong with ksh on Linux...
You can't start Lightwave from it.
Perhaps very narrow view most people have regarding computers here. Some of us still don't like the command line, even after using it for lots of our computer-using lives.
Obviously, not being able to start LW from ksh isn't the real issue, it's working in an environment that is consistent and stable, which IRIX is. If SGI can deliver Linux in such a way to reduce concerns about stability or compatibility, it won't matter to me, personally, what I'm using.
Yes, for the record, I see nothing wrong with 4Dwm. Or Indigo Magic. At least, i don't have problems that can't be leveled at X-windows in general, across the board, and whatever the window manager.
And no, I don't work for SGI.
Soory, I should have clarified: I'm not in the employ of SGI, and I never have been, either.
And, naturally, I disagree it's FUD. Naturally, I don't expect to find to many graphics people using Linux, but my point was it won't matter to most of us if we suddenly find we are, so long as it means we still have our apps and environment.
To be perfectly honest, the only stock I own is whatever my retirement fund uses.
I haven't the slightest idea, personally, but I don't think I own any SGI stock.
Re: http://pmitros.mit.edu/sgistrat
Response: utter nonsense.
You can generally get:
3COM 597 TX Controller
10/100 Base T Ethernet
Drivers available free on web
www.phobos.com
ftp://ftp.phobos.com/drivers/SGI/
For roughly $200
Yes, I do remember that roadmap. It very clearly delinated IRIX as living on IA-64 (Merced), and MIPS for quite some time to come.
NT was still at the low-end of the division, and was in no way replacing IRIX.
MIPS was the only part of the equation set to 'go away.'
And I just can't understand anyone who is "rankled" by this. Am I the only one with any sort of vendor loyalty who just doesn't care about NT?
Suffice to say, it's moot anyway. The big plan now is to add Linux to their roadmap, while IRIX remains on MIPS through R14000 and posisbly the R16000.
I suspect those of us (including me) who love their traditional product line are bitter about their attempted conversion to NT.
SGI *added* NT to its line-up, it never tried to *convert* to it, any more than it tried to 'convert' anyone to UNICOS when they bought Cray.
Nonsense. Anyone who has used IRIX knows how horrible it is at multi-tasking (I recall compiling on an O2 or an Octane and witnessing other processes grind to a halt) and other functionality that we take for granted under other operating systems. SGI doesn't make money selling an OS; it makes money on hardware. IMHO, opting for Linux instead of IRIX is probably one of the better software ideas SGI has had.
Normally I try not to respond to unbelievably unqualified commentary, but in your case, I'll make an exception.
I use IRIX daily, and despite doing multiple renders with Lightwave, BMRT, Povray, and a number of other CPU-hogging resources, I've never had any problems with speed or responsiveness, despite working with huge files and GIMP. Of course, my systems have a decent amounts of RAM and disk-space, and I actually know what I'm doing.
You may not. I'm just saying I have no evidence of your competence, other than 'you saw an SGI once.'
Anyway, next time, try and get some details about the system in case someone likes me insists you put your money where your mouth is.
Bus, bus, bus.
There's your reason. But, really, if you can build your own computer, why don't you just go and do it instead of whining about not being able to afford an SGI prebuilt and warrantied for you?
Personally, I dislike building computers from scratch. But you don't see me whining about how much more I'd spend if only someone would do it for me, do you?
Bus, bus, bus.
There's your reason. But, really, if you can build your own computer, why don't you just go and do it instead of whining about not being able to afford an SGI prebuild and warrantied for you?
Personally, I dislike building computers from scratch. But you don't see me whining about how much more I'd spend if only someone would od it for me, do you?