I don't count the resource fork as code, since In a few years of using BCB I've never had to edit it so its effectivly transparent.
I disagree, you should count it. I'm sure you have edited it regulary, just not with a text editor. So IMHO you should add the number of lines of the textual representation of your resources. Because they require real work to create and maintain.
Thanks for your informative post. No lameness here, I really want to compare.
The.BPR file should not be counted. Also, when mentioning generated code, I meant generated source code. So the result is 84 SLOC.
Concerning BCB, I like it (still have a copy at home). In fact, in '97 we had to decide which tech we will use for the next 10 years (mainly to developp GUI and integration of numerical computing programs). We implemented a small project with different techs. BCB and Java won. We finally went for Java because we also use unix boxes.
PS: Turbo C++ and Borland C++ Builder were great but Borland C++ was horrible...
Have you thought of the licensing ?? If they want to Google == Good they might not want to use GPL.
A BSD-style license is much better. On the other hand: multimedia suggests 2.6.XX.
I disagree. The GPL would fit nicely for such a product. First you would be sure to have all the code needed. Second it would prevent any abusive derivative (by Yahoo?). That said, Google may not want to distribute their changes (is the Google Toolbar free software?). But as you wrote there is also technical requirements.
Everyone in here (almost everyone) has a PC-style computer in mind
Both the OP and TFA mention a PC. I agree they won't support exotic hardware but this is quite probable the hardware won't be exotic too. I don't think they will come with an applicance box: that would be too restrictive.
If you're right, WTF would you want to use a MS product? You can do a hello world in C++ with just 3 lines (TUI) or 12 (GUI with QT).
Concerning XML-based GUI descriptors, it is in general not smaller. It is smaller to define and place the components but things goes wrong when you have to manage events. In fact, from my experience, a GUI in HTML+JS, C++/QT and Java/Swing has more or less the same number of SLOC.
The machine would run an operating system created by Google
Google has neither the skills nor the team to create an operating system in 2006. If they distribute anything called Google OS, it will be a derivative work of an already existing OS. Maybe from a proprietary one but more probably from a Free one. The question remains: Linux, Darwin, Solaris or OpenBSD.
Why JDK1.2?
1.1 is much more portable. Classpath (in particular Kaffe) runs on dozens of system. Then add MS JVM, IBM JVM for Windows 3.11,... OTOH, JDK1.2 is much less available (Graphics2D being difficult to re-implement).
French wines have not yet surrendered. They are NP-problems and can not be solved in a reasonnable time-frame. RTFA, my mistake, they are talking about foreign beverages.
BTW, a wine is as good as the meal it goes with. Chili beans any one?
governement-free, international organisations : This sounds like an oxymoron.
I don't think but I may be wrong. I mean an organization that can be controled by a government.
Can you name a "government-free international organization"?
Maybe the red cross or similars.
ICANN would seem to fall into that category already.
AFAIK, ICANN has only a legal status in the US.
Any other "NGO" you can name will be similarly influenced by local governments where it resides, and politics.
Such a NGO should have multiple offices (or only one on the moon).
The only other candidates that come to mind are global megacorporations. Those are, of course, regulated in each country in which they operate,
Such a NGO would operate globaly so it would not be dependant on local regulations. It would not ignore them but the decisions would be truely international. For example, just as an idea to illustrate: what about one domain=one vote?
ccTLD should be under the control of the government of the corresponding country. OTOH, gTLD should be managed by governement-free, international organisations. IMHO, there are better fights to do like:
1) Remove the (possible) control of the gTLD by the US governement
2) Stop the abusive contract signed with Verisign
3) Provide cheaper gTLD domains (real price) -- today it is too expensive for the inhabitants of a poor country)
4) Set at least one gTLD registar in each country
I don't know where you found your numbers but anyway they are not appropriate. What counts is the number of licks (As an advertiser, the number of visitors going to your website). And precisely, the cost-per-click. Now, you can check all the ways to advertise and compare. On Google Adwords, it is difficult to go under $0.07. On AdBrite and for english websites, $0.05 seems the minimum. So if you pay your ad $100, it means a minimum of 5,000 visitors. Now, there is also the "quality" of the visitors: how targeted they are. AdWords brings you targeted visitors (visitors potentialy interested by your website), the MDHP doesn't.
All in all, this is definitively not a hoax. And I think that for the earlier advertisers, it was a very good deal.
In that case i should i also get paid each time i'm forced to hear a song i didnt ask for? especialy if i hate it?
How? If you're listening it on radio, in a restaurant,... it is already paid. If it is at your home, then yes you should pay. Even if you don't like it. Because you have discovered it and you listened it. You will never listened it again but you did once. So you will pay a very very small fee, let's say $0.01. But this is a good thing because for the same price, you will also discover very good music.
Every one is focusing on the tax, payment and copying. But there is nothing new there. Tax is already collected for CD and tapes, rights are already payed by radios,... and you have the right for private copies. Nothing new here, every thing is already working. The real question is: Is P2P a private copy? If yes (as stated by the vote), then there is no more restriction to share (privately and so non-commercialy) but a tax is collected.
Side note: the fact there is a tax is mainly because of the inability to trade rights at the individual level. An "ideal" system would be to pay each time you listen a song, for example $0.01. That would lower the entry price a lot. Additionaly, every thing should be promoted to the public domain in a reasonnable time frame.
FYI, the money (radio, tv,...) is already collected by the SACEM and then sent to the corresponding foreign organization and dispatched to the foreign artists. There is no change at this level.
he basically outlines exactly how people should think
Stop defending the man...
Are you telling me how I should think? ;)
Being in Europe, I met RMS only twice. The guy is strange. But not so much if you consider the fact he is a US citizen. And he is really less strange than Scott McNeally, ESR, Bill Gates and GWB:D
j/k
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Sure. '91 IIRW. Did code a bit with it. I think there was a free version. TCP stacks are not free either for Apple II and C64, again IIRW.
No, think patents. Most of them covering these technologies were issued in 2005 ;)
6 months of Norton Anti-Virus? Wow.
I'm interested. 6 months, this is for "Norton Anti", for "Virus" or for both?
"Wikipedia articles will have mistakes, so let's get on with the unending task of improving them."
I do improve my mistakes regulary, I'm a proud looser!
This is a good one!
Why isn't it yet marked as troll? It definitively deserves this high rank.
I don't count the resource fork as code, since In a few years of using BCB I've never had to edit it so its effectivly transparent.
I disagree, you should count it. I'm sure you have edited it regulary, just not with a text editor. So IMHO you should add the number of lines of the textual representation of your resources. Because they require real work to create and maintain.
Thanks for your informative post. No lameness here, I really want to compare. .BPR file should not be counted. Also, when mentioning generated code, I meant generated source code. So the result is 84 SLOC.
The
Concerning BCB, I like it (still have a copy at home). In fact, in '97 we had to decide which tech we will use for the next 10 years (mainly to developp GUI and integration of numerical computing programs). We implemented a small project with different techs. BCB and Java won. We finally went for Java because we also use unix boxes.
PS: Turbo C++ and Borland C++ Builder were great but Borland C++ was horrible...
Same answer than for the Borland C++ code. ;)
Show me the code
The whole code: typed, generated and resources.
(the spec is given by the C# code)
// 6 lines in Java, not sure if the code does exactly the same
import javax.swing.*;
public class F
{
public static void main (String[] _args)
{
JDialog form = new JDialog ();
form.add (new JButton ("Hello, World!"));
form.show();
}
}
Show me the code ;)
The whole code: typed, generated and resources.
The problem is so serious that security experts are urging IT firms to use the unofficial patch.
Do I have to install Wine first?
Please help!
Have you thought of the licensing ?? If they want to Google == Good they might not want to use GPL. A BSD-style license is much better. On the other hand: multimedia suggests 2.6.XX.
I disagree. The GPL would fit nicely for such a product. First you would be sure to have all the code needed. Second it would prevent any abusive derivative (by Yahoo?). That said, Google may not want to distribute their changes (is the Google Toolbar free software?). But as you wrote there is also technical requirements.
Everyone in here (almost everyone) has a PC-style computer in mind
Both the OP and TFA mention a PC. I agree they won't support exotic hardware but this is quite probable the hardware won't be exotic too. I don't think they will come with an applicance box: that would be too restrictive.
300+ lines of Visual C++
If you're right, WTF would you want to use a MS product? You can do a hello world in C++ with just 3 lines (TUI) or 12 (GUI with QT).
Concerning XML-based GUI descriptors, it is in general not smaller. It is smaller to define and place the components but things goes wrong when you have to manage events. In fact, from my experience, a GUI in HTML+JS, C++/QT and Java/Swing has more or less the same number of SLOC.
The machine would run an operating system created by Google
Google has neither the skills nor the team to create an operating system in 2006. If they distribute anything called Google OS, it will be a derivative work of an already existing OS. Maybe from a proprietary one but more probably from a Free one. The question remains: Linux, Darwin, Solaris or OpenBSD.
Sorry, these numbers are outdated.
Why JDK1.2? ... OTOH, JDK1.2 is much less available (Graphics2D being difficult to re-implement).
1.1 is much more portable. Classpath (in particular Kaffe) runs on dozens of system. Then add MS JVM, IBM JVM for Windows 3.11,
French wines have not yet surrendered. They are NP-problems and can not be solved in a reasonnable time-frame. RTFA, my mistake, they are talking about foreign beverages.
BTW, a wine is as good as the meal it goes with. Chili beans any one?
governement-free, international organisations : This sounds like an oxymoron.
I don't think but I may be wrong. I mean an organization that can be controled by a government.
Can you name a "government-free international organization"?
Maybe the red cross or similars.
ICANN would seem to fall into that category already.
AFAIK, ICANN has only a legal status in the US.
Any other "NGO" you can name will be similarly influenced by local governments where it resides, and politics.
Such a NGO should have multiple offices (or only one on the moon).
The only other candidates that come to mind are global megacorporations. Those are, of course, regulated in each country in which they operate,
Such a NGO would operate globaly so it would not be dependant on local regulations. It would not ignore them but the decisions would be truely international. For example, just as an idea to illustrate: what about one domain=one vote?
ccTLD should be under the control of the government of the corresponding country. OTOH, gTLD should be managed by governement-free, international organisations. IMHO, there are better fights to do like:
1) Remove the (possible) control of the gTLD by the US governement
2) Stop the abusive contract signed with Verisign
3) Provide cheaper gTLD domains (real price) -- today it is too expensive for the inhabitants of a poor country)
4) Set at least one gTLD registar in each country
I don't know where you found your numbers but anyway they are not appropriate. What counts is the number of licks (As an advertiser, the number of visitors going to your website). And precisely, the cost-per-click. Now, you can check all the ways to advertise and compare. On Google Adwords, it is difficult to go under $0.07. On AdBrite and for english websites, $0.05 seems the minimum. So if you pay your ad $100, it means a minimum of 5,000 visitors. Now, there is also the "quality" of the visitors: how targeted they are. AdWords brings you targeted visitors (visitors potentialy interested by your website), the MDHP doesn't. All in all, this is definitively not a hoax. And I think that for the earlier advertisers, it was a very good deal.
In that case i should i also get paid each time i'm forced to hear a song i didnt ask for? especialy if i hate it?
... it is already paid. If it is at your home, then yes you should pay. Even if you don't like it. Because you have discovered it and you listened it. You will never listened it again but you did once. So you will pay a very very small fee, let's say $0.01. But this is a good thing because for the same price, you will also discover very good music.
How? If you're listening it on radio, in a restaurant,
Every one is focusing on the tax, payment and copying. But there is nothing new there. Tax is already collected for CD and tapes, rights are already payed by radios, ... and you have the right for private copies. Nothing new here, every thing is already working. The real question is: Is P2P a private copy? If yes (as stated by the vote), then there is no more restriction to share (privately and so non-commercialy) but a tax is collected.
Side note: the fact there is a tax is mainly because of the inability to trade rights at the individual level. An "ideal" system would be to pay each time you listen a song, for example $0.01. That would lower the entry price a lot. Additionaly, every thing should be promoted to the public domain in a reasonnable time frame.
FYI, the money (radio, tv, ...) is already collected by the SACEM and then sent to the corresponding foreign organization and dispatched to the foreign artists. There is no change at this level.
he basically outlines exactly how people should think
;) :D
Stop defending the man...
Are you telling me how I should think?
Being in Europe, I met RMS only twice. The guy is strange. But not so much if you consider the fact he is a US citizen. And he is really less strange than Scott McNeally, ESR, Bill Gates and GWB
j/k
This guy has too many patents to be honest.
Ref.