Nobody's going to buy that piece of crap. It's a glorified golf cart. Even India's poor are already turning up their noses to the Tata Nano, preferring to buy established foreign models.
I think the Nano is a great benefit to the poor, especially the upcoming diesel model, because it's designed specifically for 3rd world conditions. It even has better ground clearance because of India's pot-holed roads. The only other thing it needs to come with, is a bumper-sticker calling for ruling thug-ocracy to be thrown out.
You've got no real understanding of what goes on in India, do you? That's why you're just reflexively replying back, like some brainwashed simp. You need to get a life, and get a country. Because whatever you think you know is just fiction. Heh, "non-productive" - well, at least everyone's productively found out that you're not actually from the country you're claiming to know so much about, and whose kleptocracy you're defending.
Heh, you're not even Indian, are you? Oh, you've got an Indian name, but you didn't even grow up there. You don't even have the foggiest idea of what you're talking about. That's why you completely digressed into some rant, trying to avoid looking like the dope you've exposed yourself to be. Anyone of us who's actually grown up in India and lived there understand the reality of govt corruption. It's a basic fact of life.
You're just some kind of "abcd" (American Born Confused Desi) who doesn't even have any real exposure to the very real problems that Indians have to face from their govt. And yet you're busy waxing poetical on how great India's govt is? Uhh, why don't you stick to talking about things you actually have some firsthand knowledge about, rather than about weird fantasies you've acquired by watching National Geographic. The ruling kleptocracy loves to take people like you for a ride, because they know that you won't know any better, being some rootless wanna-be with no genuine knowledge of the country, or of them.
Well, if you have incapable and right-wing opposition parties like the BJP/NDA, you'll never see anyone but the Congress in power. You think the minorities in this country are ever going to vote for these right wingers? When was the last time one of these parties had a stance in J&K? Remember that India has a significant minority population and a very large tolerant majority population.
In India everyone is a minority. The word "Hindu" was coined by the Arabs, remember? Before that, there was no umbrella word, much less an umbrella identity. Muslims are simply the largest ethnic group in a sea of smaller ethnic groups. Are you even from India - or are you just some "oreo" raised abroad, who's only heard about India from foreign news media? Which part of Andhra did you grow up?
Blame the Congress to have held power that they don't deserve only when you have a deserving opposition party. That said, the next election might be the best chance any other party can get because of the Centre's mighty publicized failings in the past 8-9 years; but I still doubt it since the BJP has voiced its neocon nature already.
Heh, "neocon" - you're obviously raised abroad in the US and steeped in their politics, while having no real first-hand knowledge of Indian society, politics or ground-level realities. I can tell just from the way you talk, Oreo.
You blame the party at the Centre of rigging everything down to the States. Let me ask you, has anyone of the opposition parties agreed to pass the Jan Lokpal Bill? Coming elections, you gotta pick the lesser of the two devils.
Oreo, let me explain that corruption has to be dealt with at the level of the Centre first, in order to prevent the ruling party from monopolizing it as their fiefdom. Congress wants the opposition to act first in the states they govern, while keep reform away from themselves. That's a recipe for nice guys finishing last. This is the same ruling party that stole Indian democracy for 2 years, from 1975-77 by declaring the Emergency - or was that not mentioned in the National Geographic specials that are your sole window to India?
I have no allegiance with any party in this country. I simply vote for the representatives of the more secular and tolerant party. Give me an alternate to the Congress that is more secular and tolerant, I'll vote for them. Regardless of how good they are in building the economy of this country (or other matters), I'd like to first stop any bloodshed within the country (thread topic?).
I doubt an Oreo like you could have actually voted in any Indian elections. "Sekoolarishm" has become the Congress Party's crafty McCarthyist ploy against anyone who opposes their corrupt rule. Observe the Congress Party's dealings with yoga guru turned political activist, Baba Ramdev. When Ramdev first announced his plans for a rally in the capital to highlight corruption, the always-tactical Congress first wanted to negotiate for Ramdev's political support, since he had a lot of followers.
But as soon as Ramdev started mentioning the corruption of the ruling Congress Party, then the Congress immediately launched a brutal police crackdown, where even old women were beaten up (one was put in the hospital with a skull fracture). And of course, immediately, the ruling govt branded Ramdev as an "agent of the RSS" (as soon as the ruling party sees you as a threat, you're quickly branded an "agent of the RSS" - basically, the same type of tactics Mubarak's govt used on Egyptian dissidents, accusing any opponent of the regime of being a fundamentalist)
You seem to be like the one who'll only criticise the government yet offer no solution to the problem. I think I'll stop wasting my time going around in circles for a person who can't offer anything for this country.
The solution to the problem is to throw the ruling bums out from the Centre.
They are trying to hoodwink the poorest people in society, in a no-holds barred bid to eliminate their opponent. This type of blatant offering of sops is basically tantamount to vote-rigging.
You can act like an apologist for them all you want, but your comments reveal more about yourself than about the subject you're commenting upon. Indians like me want improvements in Indian democracy, and meanwhile apologists like you leave me cold.
It's worth mentioning that Perlman's original company was called "Rearden Steel" (a la "Atlas Shrugged"), which was then re-named to Rearden Labs (I know, because I applied to it for a job, once)
>Did you even read the links you posted? Congress is the opposition party. Ruling party happens to be the BJP in Gujrat. There is no mention of "registration forms" or free housing within those links.
No, the Congress Party is the ruling party at the Centre, and it's been the ruling party there for 53 out of the last 65 years. It's from the Centre that they're able to rig the entire system in their favour. It's mainly only when they've suffered assassinations that other parties have gotten a chance to gain office at the Centre. That's not really a democracy - not when the ruling party ruthlessly manipulates the system like that. That party is not composed of democrats, but rather of people who will hang onto power at all costs.
You're extremely naive to believe that the Congress Party plans to give up power. They're already so deep upto their eyeballs in scams which they aren't willing to face criminal prosecution for, if they lose the next elections. So they don't plan to lose - they plan to engineer their victory by illicit and underhanded means, rendering any electoral exercise a farce.
You're quite a shill for the Status Quo, aren't you? Are you related to any Congress Party members? Or do you gain some false pride by turning a blind eye to the failings of Indian democracy?
You may call India "the world's largest democracy" - but I call it the world's largest hypocrisy, the world's largest kleptocracy.
Elections in India have been reduced to a farce - but that doesn't seem to bother you, as long as you can make a technical claim that there are elections. Take a look at the latest electoral antics from the ruling Congress Party:
Now they're promising free homes to people who'll vote against the opposition party. They're handing out "registration forms" which carry no legal weight whatsoever, in an attempt to target the most vulnerable and gullible sections of society.
The ruling party at the Centre has committed itself to using any means, by hook or by crook, no matter how foul, to defeat political opponents. The day isn't far off when they'll be kidnapping opponents and physically eliminating them.
India is no longer a democracy - it's now just a dictatorship punctuated by elections.
I'm not a troll - you are. Nobody should ever allow themselves to be stuck in a sado-masochistic relationship, where they are the lone side showing tolerance, while the other side continues to show selfish belligerence. That's called appeasement.
So spare me your pretentiously fake aura of "calm, cool, maturity", when you're simply promoting lethargy and appeasement. Neville Chamberlain helped to promote fascism by appeasing it in the manner you're suggesting. The Religion of Peace could do with some introspection, which doesn't come easily to it.
A good analogy here is the old Chinese proverb about how a frog can be coaxed into allowing itself to be boiled alive in an uncovered pot of water, without jumping out , simply by raising the temperature very gradually, one degree at a time.
The crooked Indian govt's policy has been to continue allowing the situation to deteriorate, while looting public money as fast and as furiously as they can. And all the while, they utter platitudes like "everybody stay calm, don't get excited, everything's okay". All corrupt kleptocracies have an incentive to do this. Well, even Standard & Poor's have said that things aren't okay, and that it's all just a whitewash.
And then of course those who aren't fooled by these platitudes and stand up to criticize the govt are then quickly labeled "ignorant", "hotheads, "malcontents", "fanatics", "fascists" in a sliding scale of progression. It's a pathetic worn-out tactic that's completely lost its effectiveness from overuse.
How free are some to burn 58 people to death on a train, and then call their own community the victims?
How free is this small 11-year old girl who was arrested the other day in the country nextdoor, where particular laws are upheld by the majority faith there?
Nobody wants to go live in such countries, where a particular faith is in the majority. Because they know they'll be oppressed and discriminated against. Meanwhile some in India want to cry 'discrimination' against their faith, but they still want to flood into the country, even illegally if need be. Buddy, if someone's trying to get into a country illegally, then I'd take their complaints against that country with a grain of salt.
Meanwhile, the Mubarakcracy that runs India is only too happy to brand any patriotic or civic group as "fanatics". So that's why the situation continues to deteriorate.
Either SMS messages came from Pakistan or they didn't - that's not a subjective issue.
I'd say India's current ruling party is doing its best to copy Hosni Mubarak's govt in Egypt, protecting a kleptocracy built on corruption, while labeling political opponents as "fundamentalists" to keep them at bay.
Unfortunately, the ruling party in India likes to stoke the fears of the Muslim community in order to milk them for votes. So they profit quite handsomely from stoking up ethnic tensions.
The ruling party wants to promote phones when they can help it win elections. But it wants to ban them when its ineffectual governance might get exposed. The ruling party are crooks.
So let's not always reflexively force ourselves into a game of moral equivalency. All religions are not identical, and some religions have features which pose more problems for others.
Slashdot Mirror
Quickly! Grab it all, so that we may form swords and shields out of it!
Open source people don't like regulation, because it confines the creative process.
Gravity is also inconvenient and confining. We need to rally the people to overturn this law.
Screw glasses, what about Contact Lenses?
Or what about Intra-ocular lenses?
Or could you just implant metamaterials in your cornea to correct your vision?
Nobody's going to buy that piece of crap. It's a glorified golf cart.
Even India's poor are already turning up their noses to the Tata Nano, preferring to buy established foreign models.
I think the Nano is a great benefit to the poor, especially the upcoming diesel model, because it's designed specifically for 3rd world conditions. It even has better ground clearance because of India's pot-holed roads. The only other thing it needs to come with, is a bumper-sticker calling for ruling thug-ocracy to be thrown out.
... Because if that electronics isn't radiation-hardened, it's going to burn out quickly
You've got no real understanding of what goes on in India, do you? That's why you're just reflexively replying back, like some brainwashed simp. You need to get a life, and get a country. Because whatever you think you know is just fiction. Heh, "non-productive" - well, at least everyone's productively found out that you're not actually from the country you're claiming to know so much about, and whose kleptocracy you're defending.
[bunch of blather deleted]
Heh, you're not even Indian, are you? Oh, you've got an Indian name, but you didn't even grow up there. You don't even have the foggiest idea of what you're talking about. That's why you completely digressed into some rant, trying to avoid looking like the dope you've exposed yourself to be. Anyone of us who's actually grown up in India and lived there understand the reality of govt corruption. It's a basic fact of life.
You're just some kind of "abcd" (American Born Confused Desi) who doesn't even have any real exposure to the very real problems that Indians have to face from their govt. And yet you're busy waxing poetical on how great India's govt is? Uhh, why don't you stick to talking about things you actually have some firsthand knowledge about, rather than about weird fantasies you've acquired by watching National Geographic. The ruling kleptocracy loves to take people like you for a ride, because they know that you won't know any better, being some rootless wanna-be with no genuine knowledge of the country, or of them.
Sad. Just sad and pathetic.
Well, if you have incapable and right-wing opposition parties like the BJP/NDA, you'll never see anyone but the Congress in power. You think the minorities in this country are ever going to vote for these right wingers? When was the last time one of these parties had a stance in J&K? Remember that India has a significant minority population and a very large tolerant majority population.
In India everyone is a minority. The word "Hindu" was coined by the Arabs, remember? Before that, there was no umbrella word, much less an umbrella identity. Muslims are simply the largest ethnic group in a sea of smaller ethnic groups. Are you even from India - or are you just some "oreo" raised abroad, who's only heard about India from foreign news media? Which part of Andhra did you grow up?
Blame the Congress to have held power that they don't deserve only when you have a deserving opposition party. That said, the next election might be the best chance any other party can get because of the Centre's mighty publicized failings in the past 8-9 years; but I still doubt it since the BJP has voiced its neocon nature already.
Heh, "neocon" - you're obviously raised abroad in the US and steeped in their politics, while having no real first-hand knowledge of Indian society, politics or ground-level realities. I can tell just from the way you talk, Oreo.
You blame the party at the Centre of rigging everything down to the States. Let me ask you, has anyone of the opposition parties agreed to pass the Jan Lokpal Bill? Coming elections, you gotta pick the lesser of the two devils.
Oreo, let me explain that corruption has to be dealt with at the level of the Centre first, in order to prevent the ruling party from monopolizing it as their fiefdom. Congress wants the opposition to act first in the states they govern, while keep reform away from themselves. That's a recipe for nice guys finishing last. This is the same ruling party that stole Indian democracy for 2 years, from 1975-77 by declaring the Emergency - or was that not mentioned in the National Geographic specials that are your sole window to India?
I have no allegiance with any party in this country. I simply vote for the representatives of the more secular and tolerant party. Give me an alternate to the Congress that is more secular and tolerant, I'll vote for them. Regardless of how good they are in building the economy of this country (or other matters), I'd like to first stop any bloodshed within the country (thread topic?).
I doubt an Oreo like you could have actually voted in any Indian elections. "Sekoolarishm" has become the Congress Party's crafty McCarthyist ploy against anyone who opposes their corrupt rule. Observe the Congress Party's dealings with yoga guru turned political activist, Baba Ramdev. When Ramdev first announced his plans for a rally in the capital to highlight corruption, the always-tactical Congress first wanted to negotiate for Ramdev's political support, since he had a lot of followers.
But as soon as Ramdev started mentioning the corruption of the ruling Congress Party, then the Congress immediately launched a brutal police crackdown, where even old women were beaten up (one was put in the hospital with a skull fracture). And of course, immediately, the ruling govt branded Ramdev as an "agent of the RSS" (as soon as the ruling party sees you as a threat, you're quickly branded an "agent of the RSS" - basically, the same type of tactics Mubarak's govt used on Egyptian dissidents, accusing any opponent of the regime of being a fundamentalist)
You seem to be like the one who'll only criticise the government yet offer no solution to the problem. I think I'll stop wasting my time going around in circles for a person who can't offer anything for this country.
The solution to the problem is to throw the ruling bums out from the Centre.
>There is no mention of "registration forms" or free housing within those links.
Here you go, Kaangressi:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Cong-builds-house-of-dreams-on-Narendra-Modis-turf/articleshow/15579607.cms
They are trying to hoodwink the poorest people in society, in a no-holds barred bid to eliminate their opponent. This type of blatant offering of sops is basically tantamount to vote-rigging.
You can act like an apologist for them all you want, but your comments reveal more about yourself than about the subject you're commenting upon. Indians like me want improvements in Indian democracy, and meanwhile apologists like you leave me cold.
Fine, so man up and go to one of those companies like Upstart, who'll bankroll you into your own DotCom
It's worth mentioning that Perlman's original company was called "Rearden Steel" (a la "Atlas Shrugged"), which was then re-named to Rearden Labs
(I know, because I applied to it for a job, once)
http://www.flesheatingzipper.com/gaming/2012/08/can-you-trust-onlive-now/
>Did you even read the links you posted? Congress is the opposition party. Ruling party happens to be the BJP in Gujrat. There is no mention of "registration forms" or free housing within those links.
No, the Congress Party is the ruling party at the Centre, and it's been the ruling party there for 53 out of the last 65 years. It's from the Centre that they're able to rig the entire system in their favour. It's mainly only when they've suffered assassinations that other parties have gotten a chance to gain office at the Centre. That's not really a democracy - not when the ruling party ruthlessly manipulates the system like that. That party is not composed of democrats, but rather of people who will hang onto power at all costs.
You're extremely naive to believe that the Congress Party plans to give up power. They're already so deep upto their eyeballs in scams which they aren't willing to face criminal prosecution for, if they lose the next elections. So they don't plan to lose - they plan to engineer their victory by illicit and underhanded means, rendering any electoral exercise a farce.
You're quite a shill for the Status Quo, aren't you? Are you related to any Congress Party members? Or do you gain some false pride by turning a blind eye to the failings of Indian democracy?
Sounds like some loophole method of getting out of your debts
You may call India "the world's largest democracy" - but I call it the world's largest hypocrisy, the world's largest kleptocracy.
Elections in India have been reduced to a farce - but that doesn't seem to bother you, as long as you can make a technical claim that there are elections.
Take a look at the latest electoral antics from the ruling Congress Party:
http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/guj-polls-cong-meticulously-plotting-to-dethrone-modi/183402/on
http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=772594
Now they're promising free homes to people who'll vote against the opposition party. They're handing out "registration forms" which carry no legal weight whatsoever, in an attempt to target the most vulnerable and gullible sections of society.
The ruling party at the Centre has committed itself to using any means, by hook or by crook, no matter how foul, to defeat political opponents. The day isn't far off when they'll be kidnapping opponents and physically eliminating them.
India is no longer a democracy - it's now just a dictatorship punctuated by elections.
I'm not a troll - you are. Nobody should ever allow themselves to be stuck in a sado-masochistic relationship, where they are the lone side showing tolerance, while the other side continues to show selfish belligerence. That's called appeasement.
So spare me your pretentiously fake aura of "calm, cool, maturity", when you're simply promoting lethargy and appeasement. Neville Chamberlain helped to promote fascism by appeasing it in the manner you're suggesting. The Religion of Peace could do with some introspection, which doesn't come easily to it.
A good analogy here is the old Chinese proverb about how a frog can be coaxed into allowing itself to be boiled alive in an uncovered pot of water, without jumping out , simply by raising the temperature very gradually, one degree at a time.
The crooked Indian govt's policy has been to continue allowing the situation to deteriorate, while looting public money as fast and as furiously as they can. And all the while, they utter platitudes like "everybody stay calm, don't get excited, everything's okay". All corrupt kleptocracies have an incentive to do this. Well, even Standard & Poor's have said that things aren't okay, and that it's all just a whitewash.
And then of course those who aren't fooled by these platitudes and stand up to criticize the govt are then quickly labeled "ignorant", "hotheads, "malcontents", "fanatics", "fascists" in a sliding scale of progression. It's a pathetic worn-out tactic that's completely lost its effectiveness from overuse.
Ganesh Rao,
How free are those who desecrated one of the country's oldest war memorials?
http://www.mid-day.com/news/2012/aug/140812-Mumbais-most-wanted.htm
How free are some to burn 58 people to death on a train, and then call their own community the victims?
How free is this small 11-year old girl who was arrested the other day in the country nextdoor, where particular laws are upheld by the majority faith there?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/19/pakistan-christian-tensions-quran-burning-allegations
Nobody wants to go live in such countries, where a particular faith is in the majority. Because they know they'll be oppressed and discriminated against. Meanwhile some in India want to cry 'discrimination' against their faith, but they still want to flood into the country, even illegally if need be. Buddy, if someone's trying to get into a country illegally, then I'd take their complaints against that country with a grain of salt.
Meanwhile, the Mubarakcracy that runs India is only too happy to brand any patriotic or civic group as "fanatics". So that's why the situation continues to deteriorate.
Either SMS messages came from Pakistan or they didn't - that's not a subjective issue.
I'd say India's current ruling party is doing its best to copy Hosni Mubarak's govt in Egypt, protecting a kleptocracy built on corruption, while labeling political opponents as "fundamentalists" to keep them at bay.
Thorium does not require any of this. It already works.
Apparently, a lot of SMS messages have been traced back to Pakistan as their origin point:
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/pakistans-perfect-ploy-led-to-ne-exodus/20120818.htm
If true, then that's quite noteworthy.
Gee, I wonder why Pakistanis would do something like that?
I thought the whole point of a fusion reactor is nuclear power, and not just to make something whose walls you want to line.
Thorium is better, it's clearly doable, much safer, and it's incredibly abundant.
Unfortunately, the ruling party in India likes to stoke the fears of the Muslim community in order to milk them for votes. So they profit quite handsomely from stoking up ethnic tensions.
India's ruling Congress party are an entrenched kleptocracy who could easily give Mubarak's govt a run for its money.
India's rulers like to boast that they are the "world's largest democracy" - in reality, they're the world's largest Mubarak-racy.
Take a look at other initiatives by India's ruling govt on mobile phones:
http://www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,16174440,00.html
The ruling party wants to promote phones when they can help it win elections. But it wants to ban them when its ineffectual governance might get exposed. The ruling party are crooks.
Take a look at who's behaving rabidly - the religion of peace once again:
http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/have-you-seen-the-rioters-who-vandalized-the-amar-jawan-memorial-254715
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/hindus-from-pakistan-flee-to-india-citing-religious-persecution/2012/08/15/adf09888-e6e4-11e1-9739-eef99c5fb285_story.html
So let's not always reflexively force ourselves into a game of moral equivalency. All religions are not identical, and some religions have features which pose more problems for others.