I think fuel cells are the best bet so far, the only thing holding them back is price.
? Fuel cells get you a higher efficiency process than internal combustion from a given fuel, they're not energy producers in and of themselves. Systems like solar, wind, tidal, geothermal, or salinity gradient generation could be used to generate power which is converted into hydrogen or hydrocarbon fuel. That fuel can then be shipping to western PA. (Hopefully soon we'll then use fuel cells to turn that fuel into power for our machines, thus reducing the fuel we need per machine.)
What I think MP3.com needs to add is a random time-out period. That is, every time you want a track, it has some low probability of requiring you to BeamIt that CD. You then have some time period (a week, perhaps?) in which to do so, after which time all tracks from that CD become unavailable until you BeamIt that CD again.
Re:Um, ATI doesn't manufacture DVD players.
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ATI makes video cards, not DVD players.
They do provide a software player, see
http://www.ati.com/na/pages/showcase/dvd/aboutdv d.html
for details. That gets into semantics, but my point was that the DVD licensing wasn't so restrictive that there's no way to get digital output from a movie DVD.
From http://www.mids.org/mn/904/vcerf.html:
Vint Cerf responded to MSNBC's questions about the Net's origins with this e-mail:
VP Gore was the first or surely among the first of the members of Congress to become a strong supporter of advanced networking while he served as Senator. As far back as 1986, he was holding hearings on this subject (supercomputing, fiber networks...) and asking about their promise and what could be done to realize them. Bob Kahn, with whom I worked to develop the Internet design in 1973, participated in several hearings held by then-Senator Gore and I recall that Bob introduced the term ``information infrastructure'' in one hearing in 1986. It was clear that as a Senator and now as Vice President, Gore has made it a point to be as well-informed as possible on technology and issues that surround it.
As Senator, VP Gore was highly supportive of the research community's efforts to explore new networking capabilities and to extend access to supercomputers by way of NSFNET and its successors, the High Performance Computing and Communication program (which included the National Research and Education Network initiative), and as Vice President, he has been very responsive to recommendations made, for example, by the President's Information Technology Advisory Committee that endorsed additional research funding for next generation fundamental research in software and related topics. If you look at the last 30-35 years of network development, you'll find many people who have made major contributions without which the Internet would not be the vibrant, growing and exciting thing it is today. The creation of a new information infrastructure requires the willing efforts of thousands if not millions of participants and we've seen leadership from many quarters, all of it needed, to move the Internet towards increased availability and utility around the world.
While it is not accurate to say that VP Gore invented Internet, he has played a powerful role in policy terms that has supported its continued growth and application, for which we should be thankful.
We're fortunate to have senior level members of Congress and the Administration who embrace new technology and have the vision to see how it can be put to work for national and global benefit.
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It wouldn't be illegal, anyway; it would be a contractual violation if DVD decoder licensing required manufacturers not to provide digital output.
Correction: add to the end of this statement, ", but the licensee added one anyway." A contract requiring DVD licensees not to provide digital outputs would be legal under U.S. law, but ATI seems to be evidence that no such licensing regulation exists.
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That's why you'll NEVER see a digital video output jack on a DVD player.
The ATI Radeon All-In-Wonder does MPEG-2 acceleration and has a DFP (Digital Flat Panel DVI-I) output. Wouldn't that qualify?
It wouldn't be illegal, anyway; it would be a contractual violation if DVD decoder licensing required manufacturers not to provide digital output.
Fact: the term "internet" is given a conception date of 1986 by m-w.com (Merriam-Webster). Gore was a member of congress well before this date. Even then there was no true internet, there were gateways between arpanet, bitnet, UUCP sites, etc. NSF funding was significant in turning this fragmented network into the far better one we had today.
Yeah, libraries are such a bad idea. Every program should statically compile the functions it needs because 50MB of disk is a lot more expensive than 100MB of ram.
I took a look at NEdit, and thought about downloading it for my work Win2000 box. Then I saw that to get it, I'd need to download and set up a laundry list of other items.
If you look at periods of time when you had massive unrestricted use of drugs (look at the 19th century England/America to see some good examples).
We have (somewhat) unrestricted use of a drug: alcohol. And alcohol addicts kill others (drunk driving, etc.) and themselves (overdoses, long-term ailments), so alcohol abuse isn't particularly preferable to the other forms of drug abuse. If one could wave a magic wand and make all other drugs disappear, do you think that people who used drugs would stop drug use altogether, or just get drunk more often?
As for your examples, the evidence seems at best anecdotal. Prohibition, at least, occurred after the U.S. started generating fairly complex statistical abstracts, so at some of the influence of that law can be reasonably measured. There's good evidence that overall consumption went down, but abuse of alcohol (and the subsequent negative effects) apparently wasn't affected. And we do know that Prohibition gave a financial shot in the arm to criminal organizations that still plague us.
Reagan claimed to be at the liberation of a concentration camp. Yet he's now Saint Reagan for the Republicans.
Yes, Gore's phrasing leads something to be desired. But do you honestly, HONESTLY NOW, think he was really trying to claim he invented the thing? If you do, then you are so warped with "Republican good, Democrat bad" that your opinions are worth nothing. Stop spouting Republican sophistry and try thinking for a change.
Now, we'll have an EVEN HARDER time trying to get whatever they plan to stick SDMI into working on homebrew hardware or in Linux.
I disagree. This pretty much kills the whole watermarking idea. If you can't watermark, you can't stop D->A->D conversion foiling *any* protection scheme. Music is and will always be crackable.
The DVD folks still hang on to the point that there is a detectable quality loss in having to redigitize the analog output.
What I love in the English situation is the doublespeak. Blair has been quote as he won't subsidize fuel purchases. Exqueeze me? Lowering a draconian tax on something is subsidizing that thing?
We can waste money paying for artists to splatter paint on a canvas and decorate it with vaginal shaped manure, but we can't afford to explore the cosmos.
NEA annual budget: ~$200 million
NASA annual budget: ~$12 billion
What are the chances of ONE of those going dead, like in a laptop screen?
One reasonable approach to this is to have the camera have an auto-detection system for finding those pixels (say by taking a picture with the lens cap on, or perhaps with a translucent cap that lets some light through), tag the problematic pixels, and then automatically infer a reasonable replacement value from any neighbors.
People like you don't take in others' intent to pirate through DeCSS and Napster into account.
In both cases, even if they could be eliminated, piracy would continue unabated. In the case of DeCSS, it has a definite legitimate use in which I am interested.
Because I'd like to have my music collection hosted for free rather than having to use gigabytes of hard drive space. Because I'd rather save the time I otherwise have to spend ripping and converting my CDs to MP3.
As for CDs of publicly available stuff, that at times used to save me hours of (often unsuccessful) download time, keep my hard drive neater, etc. It always annoyed me that id wouldn't allow people to distribute Quake, et al, that way, because they ended up making my life more difficult because they couldn't stand the thought of someone making a few pennies distributing their freebie.
I guess since they're operating with losses in the billions now, they decided fleecing consumers a bit and calling it "research" was acceptable...
What makes price A the right price, and price B "fleecing"? They're not a monopoly, you can always shop somewhere else. If Best Buy has a sale this week, were they fleecing me last week?
Are you trying to tell us that VA Linux's initial offering price was 100+? Because otherwise they don't get a penny of the money when their stock is traded.
It is true that trade secret law requires that the company demonstrate that it tried to protect its secret. If they were found to be negligent in this, then the secret cannot be defended.
According to this site, reverse engineering a trade secret protocol is not misappropriation of a trade secret, and trade secret owners only have protection against misappropriation.
In Win2K, I have access to multiple PostScript printers that can scale the output. For source code, I like to print with a 50% scaling. But to do this, I have to do Print->Setup...->Advanced..., click on scaling, enter 50, click ok, click ok, click ok. Too many steps. How can I set things up (a virtual printer driver, perhaps?) so I can have this happen automagically in MSVC? (This is a serious question, I'd be very happy if you do have an answer.) I have used specialized code output filters many times in Unix.
re: Freshmeat: agreed, Freshmeat needs a "moderation" system, where packages get their usefulness voted on. The more votes, the earlier an app shows up in searches, and the default probably shouldn't show anything below a certain level.
Andover.net was sold to VA Linux for $60 million+. Andover's biggest asset? Slashdot. Where did VA Linux get the money to by Andover? All the people who bought it at 100+. So the Andover bigwigs made megamillions for that $3M purchase. I wish *I* was that foolish.
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I think fuel cells are the best bet so far, the only thing holding them back is price.
? Fuel cells get you a higher efficiency process than internal combustion from a given fuel, they're not energy producers in and of themselves. Systems like solar, wind, tidal, geothermal, or salinity gradient generation could be used to generate power which is converted into hydrogen or hydrocarbon fuel. That fuel can then be shipping to western PA. (Hopefully soon we'll then use fuel cells to turn that fuel into power for our machines, thus reducing the fuel we need per machine.)
What I think MP3.com needs to add is a random time-out period. That is, every time you want a track, it has some low probability of requiring you to BeamIt that CD. You then have some time period (a week, perhaps?) in which to do so, after which time all tracks from that CD become unavailable until you BeamIt that CD again.
ATI makes video cards, not DVD players.
v d.html
They do provide a software player, see
http://www.ati.com/na/pages/showcase/dvd/aboutd
for details. That gets into semantics, but my point was that the DVD licensing wasn't so restrictive that there's no way to get digital output from a movie DVD.
From http://www.mids.org/mn/904/vcerf.html:
Vint Cerf responded to MSNBC's questions about the Net's origins with this e-mail:
VP Gore was the first or surely among the first of the members of Congress to become a strong supporter of advanced networking while he served as Senator. As far back as 1986, he was holding hearings on this subject (supercomputing, fiber networks...) and asking about their promise and what could be done to realize them. Bob Kahn, with whom I worked to develop the Internet design in 1973, participated in several hearings held by then-Senator Gore and I recall that Bob introduced the term ``information infrastructure'' in one hearing in 1986. It was clear that as a Senator and now as Vice President, Gore has made it a point to be as well-informed as possible on technology and issues that surround it.
As Senator, VP Gore was highly supportive of the research community's efforts to explore new networking capabilities and to extend access to supercomputers by way of NSFNET and its successors, the High Performance Computing and Communication program (which included the National Research and Education Network initiative), and as Vice President, he has been very responsive to recommendations made, for example, by the President's Information Technology Advisory Committee that endorsed additional research funding for next generation fundamental research in software and related topics. If you look at the last 30-35 years of network development, you'll find many people who have made major contributions without which the Internet would not be the vibrant, growing and exciting thing it is today. The creation of a new information infrastructure requires the willing efforts of thousands if not millions of participants and we've seen leadership from many quarters, all of it needed, to move the Internet towards increased availability and utility around the world.
While it is not accurate to say that VP Gore invented Internet, he has played a powerful role in policy terms that has supported its continued growth and application, for which we should be thankful.
We're fortunate to have senior level members of Congress and the Administration who embrace new technology and have the vision to see how it can be put to work for national and global benefit.
It wouldn't be illegal, anyway; it would be a contractual violation if DVD decoder licensing required manufacturers not to provide digital output.
Correction: add to the end of this statement, ", but the licensee added one anyway." A contract requiring DVD licensees not to provide digital outputs would be legal under U.S. law, but ATI seems to be evidence that no such licensing regulation exists.
That's why you'll NEVER see a digital video output jack on a DVD player.
The ATI Radeon All-In-Wonder does MPEG-2 acceleration and has a DFP (Digital Flat Panel DVI-I) output. Wouldn't that qualify?
It wouldn't be illegal, anyway; it would be a contractual violation if DVD decoder licensing required manufacturers not to provide digital output.
Read http://info.isoc.org/guest/zakon/Internet/History/ Brief_History_of_the_Internet
and then come back and apologize.
Sept. 30 was the anniversary of the first packet-switching network, *NOT* the Internet.
Fact: the term "internet" is given a conception date of 1986 by m-w.com (Merriam-Webster). Gore was a member of congress well before this date. Even then there was no true internet, there were gateways between arpanet, bitnet, UUCP sites, etc. NSF funding was significant in turning this fragmented network into the far better one we had today.
Stop repeating the lie.
Yeah, libraries are such a bad idea. Every program should statically compile the functions it needs because 50MB of disk is a lot more expensive than 100MB of ram.
I took a look at NEdit, and thought about downloading it for my work Win2000 box. Then I saw that to get it, I'd need to download and set up a laundry list of other items.
So Nedit is not on my machine now.
If you look at periods of time when you had massive unrestricted use of drugs (look at the 19th century England/America to see some good examples).
We have (somewhat) unrestricted use of a drug: alcohol. And alcohol addicts kill others (drunk driving, etc.) and themselves (overdoses, long-term ailments), so alcohol abuse isn't particularly preferable to the other forms of drug abuse. If one could wave a magic wand and make all other drugs disappear, do you think that people who used drugs would stop drug use altogether, or just get drunk more often?
As for your examples, the evidence seems at best anecdotal. Prohibition, at least, occurred after the U.S. started generating fairly complex statistical abstracts, so at some of the influence of that law can be reasonably measured. There's good evidence that overall consumption went down, but abuse of alcohol (and the subsequent negative effects) apparently wasn't affected. And we do know that Prohibition gave a financial shot in the arm to criminal organizations that still plague us.
Oh, get a clue.
Reagan claimed to be at the liberation of a concentration camp. Yet he's now Saint Reagan for the Republicans.
Yes, Gore's phrasing leads something to be desired. But do you honestly, HONESTLY NOW, think he was really trying to claim he invented the thing? If you do, then you are so warped with "Republican good, Democrat bad" that your opinions are worth nothing. Stop spouting Republican sophistry and try thinking for a change.
Now, we'll have an EVEN HARDER time trying to get whatever they plan to stick SDMI into working on homebrew hardware or in Linux.
I disagree. This pretty much kills the whole watermarking idea. If you can't watermark, you can't stop D->A->D conversion foiling *any* protection scheme. Music is and will always be crackable.
The DVD folks still hang on to the point that there is a detectable quality loss in having to redigitize the analog output.
That alone is almost half my yearly salary. And I support 3 kids.. any chance of sharing? :-)
He already did -- with his attorney...
What I love in the English situation is the doublespeak. Blair has been quote as he won't subsidize fuel purchases. Exqueeze me? Lowering a draconian tax on something is subsidizing that thing?
We can waste money paying for artists to splatter paint on a canvas and decorate it with vaginal shaped manure, but we can't afford to explore the cosmos.
NEA annual budget: ~$200 million
NASA annual budget: ~$12 billion
What are the chances of ONE of those going dead, like in a laptop screen?
One reasonable approach to this is to have the camera have an auto-detection system for finding those pixels (say by taking a picture with the lens cap on, or perhaps with a translucent cap that lets some light through), tag the problematic pixels, and then automatically infer a reasonable replacement value from any neighbors.
People like you don't take in others' intent to pirate through DeCSS and Napster into account.
In both cases, even if they could be eliminated, piracy would continue unabated. In the case of DeCSS, it has a definite legitimate use in which I am interested.
Why are you people defending MP3.com?
Because I'd like to have my music collection hosted for free rather than having to use gigabytes of hard drive space. Because I'd rather save the time I otherwise have to spend ripping and converting my CDs to MP3.
As for CDs of publicly available stuff, that at times used to save me hours of (often unsuccessful) download time, keep my hard drive neater, etc. It always annoyed me that id wouldn't allow people to distribute Quake, et al, that way, because they ended up making my life more difficult because they couldn't stand the thought of someone making a few pennies distributing their freebie.
As much as I hate to say it, MP3.com was engaging in distributing copyrighted material without permission and deserve to lose the case.
Maybe, just maybe, people should get damage awards if they have actually been damaged.
I mean, is that really such an outrageous thought?
I guess since they're operating with losses in the billions now, they decided fleecing consumers a bit and calling it "research" was acceptable...
What makes price A the right price, and price B "fleecing"? They're not a monopoly, you can always shop somewhere else. If Best Buy has a sale this week, were they fleecing me last week?
I initially read that as RMS released to the public.
Yeah, I've been hacking him to create a BSD license-pontificating version!
Are you trying to tell us that VA Linux's initial offering price was 100+? Because otherwise they don't get a penny of the money when their stock is traded.
Short answer: you're right, I'm wrong.
It is true that trade secret law requires that the company demonstrate that it tried to protect its secret. If they were found to be negligent in this, then the secret cannot be defended.
According to this site, reverse engineering a trade secret protocol is not misappropriation of a trade secret, and trade secret owners only have protection against misappropriation.
This is fun, can we play some more how-to's?
In Win2K, I have access to multiple PostScript printers that can scale the output. For source code, I like to print with a 50% scaling. But to do this, I have to do Print->Setup...->Advanced..., click on scaling, enter 50, click ok, click ok, click ok. Too many steps. How can I set things up (a virtual printer driver, perhaps?) so I can have this happen automagically in MSVC? (This is a serious question, I'd be very happy if you do have an answer.) I have used specialized code output filters many times in Unix.
re: Freshmeat: agreed, Freshmeat needs a "moderation" system, where packages get their usefulness voted on. The more votes, the earlier an app shows up in searches, and the default probably shouldn't show anything below a certain level.
And most companies aren't as foolish as Andover.
Andover.net was sold to VA Linux for $60 million+. Andover's biggest asset? Slashdot. Where did VA Linux get the money to by Andover? All the people who bought it at 100+. So the Andover bigwigs made megamillions for that $3M purchase. I wish *I* was that foolish.