If it was that simple, then why don't they just use the same textures on the PS3 version? Both the PS3 and 360 are very similar in terms of texture fill rates (in fact, I believe the 360 has the edge here). Most multi-platform games look about the same and if there is a noticeable difference, more often than not the advantage lies with the 360.
People can keep on quoting read speed statistics all day long, but the end results speak for themselves.
I definitely agree here. The controls are part of the game. They may be a little clunky, but if you were able to run and gun ala gears of war, it would completely ruin the atmosphere of the game.
I'll say to you what I'll say to the guy above - if this were the case, then why do 360 games typically have similar or shorter loading times as their PS3 counterparts? Why do (certain) PS3 games NEED to be installed?
If either of you (anonymous cowards) can give some valid reasons why, I'll listen.
I'll say to you what I'll say to the guy below - if this were the case, then why do 360 games typically have similar or shorter loading times as their PS3 counterparts? Why do (certain) PS3 games NEED to be installed?
In RE4 on the PS2 and PC, the cut-scenes were pre-rendered as video files, however on the Gamecube they were real time and I believe they reflected the outfits you were wearing at the time.
They release box sets of entire shows all the time. I don't see why putting it all on one disk would make it any more expensive than putting it on several.
It's not Blu-ray that's slow, it's the PS3's blu-ray drive that is slow. It's only 2x, which is slower compared to the 360's 12x DVD drive, but a 4x BR drive is easily faster than this. Today, BR drives are 6x and higher (at least their PC drives are), so it's not really a problem of the format.
I don't know if I'd call the prospect of not having to change disks "Exciting", many people are already living the dream with HPCs in front of their TV's. Maybe not the most ideal solution, but I certainly don't think bigger disks are going to really change much just yet.
They also suggest that improved Blu-ray technology, which allows much more storage, will pave the way for even bigger and better looking games.
I wasn't aware that we were hitting the 50Gb limit of today's BR-DL disks. To my knowledge, only one game has even come close (MGS4) and even then, it apparently only uses about 31Gb.
That would just make matters worse. Imagine something was so hyped up, you just HAD to see it. I mean, Spore is easily one of the most hyped games of the last 5 years, but then the reviews came out and said "well...it's not as good as we thought it would be...". That doesn't tell me it's a bad game, that just tells me it's not the game I thought it was going to be. If the reviews were all positive and saying "Omg it's better than anything we've ever seen before!" like we expected they would say, based on those early videos, then I would have probably bought it without a second thought. It was the doubt that got me thinking I'd be wasting my money.
I don't know of a single country where prices are higher than in the UK. I'm not disagreeing with you, but I genuinely don't know of one, unless you count a really obscure country that has to import them because there's no market or something.
Do you honestly mean to tell me that the cost of manufacturing the box, pressing the disk(s), pressing the manuals and then sending them out to Jersey is actually more than £10 cheaper than throwing it on a server somewhere and having someone download it through the internet connection they pay for?
I very nearly bought spore. I was about to put some cold hard cash down for the collectors edition as after all the videos I'd seen of it over the years, I was sure it was going to be a bit. One torrent later, however, I spent my money on something more worthwhile.
I did and the rest of the problem is just as frivolous as what I just explained. They claim the OS removed their rights to view "Local Settings", but this folder doesn't even exist, what they were doing is moaning about a symbolic link designed for (poorly coded) legacy apps that don't know about the AppData folder.
Everything they needed is in that folder and perfectly accessible. Microsoft moved some shit around and left a few shortcuts for stupid programs, apparently they didn't realise this.
Notice that a lot of the folders have shortcut arrows beside them? Well, they're not real shortcuts you just click on, they're just there for legacy programs. If a program tries to dump a file into "Local Settings", it will automatically be redirected to a different folder (Probably AppData/Roaming). Trying to double click any of those shortcuts bring an "access denied" error box, even the "My Documents" one, but I can access My Documents just fine by going to Documents as normal. If the user in this case just did a bit of research, they'd probably find that the data they want is in AppData/Roaming/Adobe or something.
The only reason Windows doesn't let you change this is because it WILL break things and there's no reason for you to.
Mod this guy up, I'm shocked at the number of comments that immediately start bashing Windows and promoting Linux, when this article is flimsy at best.
I know for a fact at there's SEVERAL CS4 cracks out there that DO NOT WORK and do exactly what this author is describing (break the app completely), unless they explain what DLL they use, I can only assume they broke the app themselves. Hell, they could have hexedited random parts of the file on a whim and blamed MS for it suddenly not working, that's how little they divulge.
There's a whole bunch of cracks out there for CS4 that, quite simply, do not work. Whatever Adobe did, they were clever enough to make CS4 work for a bit with a crack, then stop working, so many released cracks appear to work for a time, then something happens (So much time passes or a certain date is hit or whatever) and suddenly the nag screen is back, or CS4 stops working completely. I find it incredibly likely that the "user" in this case was simply using one of the many "bad" cracks out there and when it didn't work, blamed it completely on Microsoft. Unless they actually state what dodgy DLL they used, there's absolutely no way of knowing what caused the App to stop working.
It's like me saying "Well I bought a new car and when I replaced the brakes, suddenly the car stopped working, clearly have used some draconian scheme to prevent me from fixing my own car!"
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And that is exactly what I said. Why do people claim the PS3's BR drive is just as fast as the 360's DVD drive?
If it was that simple, then why don't they just use the same textures on the PS3 version? Both the PS3 and 360 are very similar in terms of texture fill rates (in fact, I believe the 360 has the edge here). Most multi-platform games look about the same and if there is a noticeable difference, more often than not the advantage lies with the 360.
People can keep on quoting read speed statistics all day long, but the end results speak for themselves.
I definitely agree here. The controls are part of the game. They may be a little clunky, but if you were able to run and gun ala gears of war, it would completely ruin the atmosphere of the game.
I'll say to you what I'll say to the guy above - if this were the case, then why do 360 games typically have similar or shorter loading times as their PS3 counterparts?
Why do (certain) PS3 games NEED to be installed?
If either of you (anonymous cowards) can give some valid reasons why, I'll listen.
I'll say to you what I'll say to the guy below - if this were the case, then why do 360 games typically have similar or shorter loading times as their PS3 counterparts?
Why do (certain) PS3 games NEED to be installed?
In RE4 on the PS2 and PC, the cut-scenes were pre-rendered as video files, however on the Gamecube they were real time and I believe they reflected the outfits you were wearing at the time.
They release box sets of entire shows all the time. I don't see why putting it all on one disk would make it any more expensive than putting it on several.
I thought that mipmapping was to stop it aliasing badly?
It's not Blu-ray that's slow, it's the PS3's blu-ray drive that is slow. It's only 2x, which is slower compared to the 360's 12x DVD drive, but a 4x BR drive is easily faster than this. Today, BR drives are 6x and higher (at least their PC drives are), so it's not really a problem of the format.
And the article is about technologies for 2009...
I don't know if I'd call the prospect of not having to change disks "Exciting", many people are already living the dream with HPCs in front of their TV's. Maybe not the most ideal solution, but I certainly don't think bigger disks are going to really change much just yet.
I wasn't aware that we were hitting the 50Gb limit of today's BR-DL disks. To my knowledge, only one game has even come close (MGS4) and even then, it apparently only uses about 31Gb.
That would just make matters worse. Imagine something was so hyped up, you just HAD to see it. I mean, Spore is easily one of the most hyped games of the last 5 years, but then the reviews came out and said "well...it's not as good as we thought it would be...". That doesn't tell me it's a bad game, that just tells me it's not the game I thought it was going to be. If the reviews were all positive and saying "Omg it's better than anything we've ever seen before!" like we expected they would say, based on those early videos, then I would have probably bought it without a second thought. It was the doubt that got me thinking I'd be wasting my money.
I want to say something here, but I get the feeling that no matter what I say, I just wont be herd.
Well then this is the only industry where that's the case. Films and music are much cheaper to buy digitally than retail disks.
I don't know of a single country where prices are higher than in the UK. I'm not disagreeing with you, but I genuinely don't know of one, unless you count a really obscure country that has to import them because there's no market or something.
Valve's store is too high anyway, particularly for new releases.
As an example, I opened up steam and checked out the first game that appeared: Dawn of War 2.
On steam, it costs £34.99, about the RRP of a retail PC game. http://store.steampowered.com/app/15620/
On play.com, it's only £22.99.
http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/5380006/Warhammer-40-000-Dawn-Of-War-II/Product.html
Do you honestly mean to tell me that the cost of manufacturing the box, pressing the disk(s), pressing the manuals and then sending them out to Jersey is actually more than £10 cheaper than throwing it on a server somewhere and having someone download it through the internet connection they pay for?
I very nearly bought spore. I was about to put some cold hard cash down for the collectors edition as after all the videos I'd seen of it over the years, I was sure it was going to be a bit.
One torrent later, however, I spent my money on something more worthwhile.
This is what the site mentioned in the OP is like 24/7.
To be fair, I'm only about 68,000 off of a 7digit UID.
I did and the rest of the problem is just as frivolous as what I just explained.
They claim the OS removed their rights to view "Local Settings", but this folder doesn't even exist, what they were doing is moaning about a symbolic link designed for (poorly coded) legacy apps that don't know about the AppData folder.
Everything they needed is in that folder and perfectly accessible. Microsoft moved some shit around and left a few shortcuts for stupid programs, apparently they didn't realise this.
No, but I'm guessing they were barking up the wrong tree. Here's a look at my User folder on a Windows 7 machine:
http://i42.tinypic.com/2cna2k5.png
Notice that a lot of the folders have shortcut arrows beside them? Well, they're not real shortcuts you just click on, they're just there for legacy programs. If a program tries to dump a file into "Local Settings", it will automatically be redirected to a different folder (Probably AppData/Roaming). Trying to double click any of those shortcuts bring an "access denied" error box, even the "My Documents" one, but I can access My Documents just fine by going to Documents as normal.
If the user in this case just did a bit of research, they'd probably find that the data they want is in AppData/Roaming/Adobe or something.
The only reason Windows doesn't let you change this is because it WILL break things and there's no reason for you to.
It can be yours for £1,000,000. Tax free, of course.
Mod this guy up, I'm shocked at the number of comments that immediately start bashing Windows and promoting Linux, when this article is flimsy at best.
I know for a fact at there's SEVERAL CS4 cracks out there that DO NOT WORK and do exactly what this author is describing (break the app completely), unless they explain what DLL they use, I can only assume they broke the app themselves. Hell, they could have hexedited random parts of the file on a whim and blamed MS for it suddenly not working, that's how little they divulge.
There's a whole bunch of cracks out there for CS4 that, quite simply, do not work. Whatever Adobe did, they were clever enough to make CS4 work for a bit with a crack, then stop working, so many released cracks appear to work for a time, then something happens (So much time passes or a certain date is hit or whatever) and suddenly the nag screen is back, or CS4 stops working completely. I find it incredibly likely that the "user" in this case was simply using one of the many "bad" cracks out there and when it didn't work, blamed it completely on Microsoft.
Unless they actually state what dodgy DLL they used, there's absolutely no way of knowing what caused the App to stop working.
It's like me saying "Well I bought a new car and when I replaced the brakes, suddenly the car stopped working, clearly have used some draconian scheme to prevent me from fixing my own car!"