Just out of curiosity, where do you draw a line of free though/expression and public safety?
Should a 5-year-old be able to purchase a loaded handgun, if he thinks he should?
>>Who decides what's PG, what's PG-13, what's R, etc?
Who decides today. Do you think you have any real input on whether a movie gets a G, PG or R rating? Do think the "self regulating" bodies serve the public interest or the industries they represent.
>>Who picks what gets censored? Does an image of a military strike in Iraq get censored?
Censoring means that people cannot voice their opinions and that people cannot choose to hear those opionions if they want to.
CP80 is simply categorizing content into channels. ABC is not censored because you can't watch it on the same channel as NBC. All you have to do is change the channel.
>>What about an anatomy page from wikipedia? How about slashdot? What if the holy rollers doing the censorship decide that the liberal media is bad for kids' brains and decide to restrict anything fromy nytimes.com from port 2085. Does that mean that those kids don't even get the option?
Nope. CP80 would not require everyone to use it. If you want ot have unfettered access to the Internet, you still could. But it you wanted to have more tools to decide what content was appropriate for you and your family, you would have that option also.
As I understand it, the CP80 solution does not require anyone to use it. If you want a regular Internet experience, you are still able to get a standard Internet connection.
But if you want to get a clean CP80 connection without jumping through a bunch of hoops, you can do that as well.
>>There is no need to force the rest of the world to fit into the moral views of a small group of people.
You are right. And don't force your morals on me. I just want tools so that I can decide for myslef what I want access to. Filters/firewalls/etc. don't work today--and when mobile devices get smaller/cheaper, and public hotspots start popping up all over the place, it won't matter just how smart your home filtering solution is, because kids will be accessing porn at the local fast-food restaurant with their nano devices.
Then what?
I would like to go that comment one further: self-regulating bodies aren't very good at helping anyone except the industries they represent. They seem to be more of a "what-you-can-get-away-with" than a "what-you-should-and- shouldn't-do" organizations. If they are constantly pushing the boundaries of "social norms" what good are they. Eventually porn will be on day time TV, because that's the norm.
The inmates are running the asylum!
>> a) Porn is addictive show me a valid study to that effect. I have seen anecdotal evidence trotted out time and time again but that no more proves the addictiveness of porn than does the anecdotes about exploding toilets prove the life-threatening nature of chili.
That sounds like what pro-cigarette smokers were saying 50 years ago about smoking and cancer. Just because there wasn't enough imperical data back then doesn't mean that hundreds of thousands of people didn't die from smoking-related cancers.
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Just out of curiosity, where do you draw a line of free though/expression and public safety? Should a 5-year-old be able to purchase a loaded handgun, if he thinks he should?
>>Who decides what's PG, what's PG-13, what's R, etc? Who decides today. Do you think you have any real input on whether a movie gets a G, PG or R rating? Do think the "self regulating" bodies serve the public interest or the industries they represent. >>Who picks what gets censored? Does an image of a military strike in Iraq get censored? Censoring means that people cannot voice their opinions and that people cannot choose to hear those opionions if they want to. CP80 is simply categorizing content into channels. ABC is not censored because you can't watch it on the same channel as NBC. All you have to do is change the channel. >>What about an anatomy page from wikipedia? How about slashdot? What if the holy rollers doing the censorship decide that the liberal media is bad for kids' brains and decide to restrict anything fromy nytimes.com from port 2085. Does that mean that those kids don't even get the option? Nope. CP80 would not require everyone to use it. If you want ot have unfettered access to the Internet, you still could. But it you wanted to have more tools to decide what content was appropriate for you and your family, you would have that option also.
As I understand it, the CP80 solution does not require anyone to use it. If you want a regular Internet experience, you are still able to get a standard Internet connection. But if you want to get a clean CP80 connection without jumping through a bunch of hoops, you can do that as well. >>There is no need to force the rest of the world to fit into the moral views of a small group of people. You are right. And don't force your morals on me. I just want tools so that I can decide for myslef what I want access to. Filters/firewalls/etc. don't work today--and when mobile devices get smaller/cheaper, and public hotspots start popping up all over the place, it won't matter just how smart your home filtering solution is, because kids will be accessing porn at the local fast-food restaurant with their nano devices. Then what?
Ya... get rid of those dumb anti-child-pornography laws too while your at it. Right?
I would like to go that comment one further: self-regulating bodies aren't very good at helping anyone except the industries they represent. They seem to be more of a "what-you-can-get-away-with" than a "what-you-should-and- shouldn't-do" organizations. If they are constantly pushing the boundaries of "social norms" what good are they. Eventually porn will be on day time TV, because that's the norm. The inmates are running the asylum!
>> a) Porn is addictive show me a valid study to that effect. I have seen anecdotal evidence trotted out time and time again but that no more proves the addictiveness of porn than does the anecdotes about exploding toilets prove the life-threatening nature of chili.
That sounds like what pro-cigarette smokers were saying 50 years ago about smoking and cancer. Just because there wasn't enough imperical data back then doesn't mean that hundreds of thousands of people didn't die from smoking-related cancers.
Right, and children always do what they are told... you don't have any children, do you.