Miguel the winner? This is a bad joke. Miguel is NOT in the same league as Knuth. It is a downright insult that he won over Knuth. But I guess being the flavour of the month pays off right? Slashdot has done wonders for Miguel the Mouth's image, especially by helping Miguel belittle other projects. Has Knuth done that? Nope. How has making a desktop environment 'advanced' computing in general? Gnome & KDE are still behind what you can find on other environments. Alan Kay deserved an award for helping invent the GUI in Smalltalk but that was over 20 years ago. Is Gnome somehow more user-friendly than any other GUI out there? Not by a bloody longshot. But hey, I guess shiny themes are more important than integrity. On the basis of Miguel's unrelenting BASHING of other projects he did NOT deserve this recognition. If he was anyone else people would be screaming and yelling because of comments like "KDE has no future". Has Knuth bashed other computer scientists? Has Knuth gone on record time and time again badmouthing competing ideas? It's clear this award was a popularity contest, nothing more. I guess being part of the Slashdot clique pays off, eh? It's great to see that the Free Software Foundation wholeheartedly supports such an unrepentant asshole as Miguel D'Icaza. (Go ahead slashdot censors, moderate me down...you gotta preserve your boy's club don't you?)
It's a nice day outside. Why don't you go meet a nice woman or something, enjoy a milkshake, take a relaxing bath?
Then maybe you won't take offensive hissy fits on public internet forums, and stay bitter that nobody wants to hear it. Your objections were echoed by a about a thousand other, less asshole-ish people than you.
Gun controll is the answer? Guess what they have in the Netherlands. Thats right, gun controll. Fat lot it does those dead kids there now. Personally, I want my weapons to be available in order to defend myself from these crazy kids. I am never going to understand this. A bullet-proof vest is a move toward protection from other people with guns. Owning a gun is many things, but it is not a defense against other guns, except I suppose in a mutually understood armed conflict, which random violence is just about the antithesis of. Marc
(and yes, before someone says I'm blowing smoke out my buttocks, I do have the knowledge and experience at writing TCP/IP servers ala MUDs or IRC servers to write something of this magnitude)
I question the veracity of the above comment. It sounds like a testimonial, and the author's home page link is to a church home page. Plus there is the comment about prefering chaplains to guidance counselers. All together, it seems to forward the agenda characterized by these cartoons.
Those are some scary cartoons. I am frightened by their direct emotional appeal to a sense of right, regardless of the obvious consequences of lying. What does it mean when the kids who can discern untruths would be hurt by it, but it might save all the souls who can't handle the random and enormous nature of existence? Who do you lie to in order to protect the majority?
Slashdot is looking less and less like a good forum to have good technical discussions. More and more like an asylum of whiney losers.
Is there a word yet for this phenomenon, this odd little "obligatory" slashdot-bashing that has become commonplace whenever anyone even slightly disagrees with a post?
Seriously, how many of you are expecting me to finish my saying "Slashdot used to have great, respectful, logical discussion but has no degnerated to..."
But in the long run, let's see who stands.. John or those who are attempted to down him..
I cannot see this man standing much longer...
Goddamn it, everyone will probably be left standing. There is no violence or war in this story. Just because he's still making some money from AO in a few years doesn't justify him, and if he goes out of business that doesn't automatically un-justify him either.
Actually, I just learned in European history that the notion of material success implying moral elevation got started with the Calvinist reformers in the 16-17th centuries...
>Improvement and integration are typical of a >proprietary architecture. The only possible way >that Microsoft 'innovates' is through massive >mergers and acquisitions,
every large company acts like this. it's called BUSINESS.
For goodness sakes, where do you learn this shit? Do you think that this SORT of business can go on unstopped forever? This is called IMMORAL or more accurately AMORAL business. It's bad for the consumer, bad for competition, bad for the quality of industries, in many cases it becomes bad for the environment, and really usually becomes bad for the employees. Who does it profit? Smaller and smaller amounts of richer and richer people. This is not "American" or any other bullshit. It's a sign that we need to start re-working our ideas of what a business enterprise can and should be.
These are PUBLIC schools. The public should decide these things, true, but they must be WITHIN THE LAW. That's all I ask. If a child can have an aspirin outside the school, he should be able to have one inside the school.
Here's another possibility of where this road may lead: rational upbringing in an environment may become a class-based privilege, as private schools advertise their "less retarded than public schools" environment.
This would be a great change from the past, when private schools were the home of strait-laced disciplinarian attitudes.
But think: Racial and class anxieties lead upper middle class parents to fund private schools all the time, especially in "dangerous" areas. This, of course,in addition to a presumption of better teachers, facilities, etc. Now add to this the idea that ANY public school is a) dangerous, because any white kid might go crazy now, and b) irrational and punitive against all students, as a response to a).
I don't think that this situation will be carefully investigated or understood, but that instead local pressure will cause politicians to support initiatives that send public money and kids to private schools, there is a name for it, I forget.
This, will of course, bring these same problems to private schools, where civil liberties will be fought over briefly, until it is decided that they are public institutions because they receive public monies.
At which point, people will be back at square one, and forced to actually analyze the problem of how to run a decent public school, when the emotionally brutalized members of the student body are at any time likely to explode.
You should. There are plenty of people out there -- like me -- who would migrate to Linux in the blink of an eye if they could get all the necessary software, even if it is commercial. I need Photoshop (no, Gimp does not cut it), I need CorelDraw (the only version available for Unix is an antique v3.5), and I need something that reads and writes MS Word and Excel well. Until these materialize (and I expect it's only a matter of time), I'm stuck on NT.
Is that the goal? I don't think that attracting every windows user to the platform, and the thus to the world, of free software is a worthy goal, especially not if non-free software is the only way to do it. What's wrong with just using NT (or solaris) if it has important propriety advantages over free systems?
as a viewer of ParseTV and a semi-friend of Shamrock and Mantis, I know how he views the hacker/cracker thing, and the stuff he said in the "special" go against stuff I've heard him say before, so I'm sure he made all the stuff up to give MTV what they wanted. Until the whole world becomes geeks like us, any non geek will view a hacker/cracker as the way this special, and others portray them... you need to be a nerd to realize what's true and what's not.
PI was great, soundtrack kicked ass, and the way the number was being approached by a lot of people for different reasons really got me, especially the yahweh stuff.
Listen, this is not a flame, but you are just displayed in your post the exact reason why Hollywood hacker movies have rediculously inaccurate details.
I loved Pi, but the whole "yahweh" thing was just a little too full of it and it hurt my suspension of disbelief. The reason is that the number for Pi was what, 216 or 256 digits long or something, and so was the ancient powerful name of God used by the Hebrew Temple priests in days of yore. However, if you know this sort of thing, that makes no sense, since the ancient hebrew number system assigns numerical value to letters, but not decimally!!! The last letters in the alphabet represent high-ish numbers, so that a number that is 256 decimal digits would be noticeably fewer as represented as an ancient Hebrew word.
So, this might seem like irrelevant trivia to you, just as the GUI running on a hacker's laptop would seem like trivia to a computer-illiterate. But I still would have liked Pi a little better if the religious-nut aspect had been more believable.
I don't get you people at all. People who cannot use a computer without those kinds of all-encompassing metaphors should not be in charge of administrating an entire operating system, but should instead have some sort of limited shell. All of your automation and auto-update suggestions would seriously make any system a security hazard. Why don't we make a market of computer 'appliances' and separate it from the raw computer market? Imacs for the masses, and linux boxes for the people who want a machine and not an appliance. Marc
Enough, I am a college freshman and my computer ONLY runs Mandrake, actually with the MacOS 8 KDE theme, a friend who is a freshman at rutgers runs dual/boot win98 and mandrake (he likes gnome over KDE) and yet another friend runs only mandrake on his IndyBox, and he is a straight-up fucking Newbie. he just called me to brag that he read the CD-Burning howto and the IDE-SCSI howto and was now able to burn CD's. HE's never, ever used Unix before or done progamming, and his old computeer was DOS/win3.1
Nobody at college, looking at my desktop in KDE, has any IDEA that this isn't windows or a mac. Seriously, just use Mandrake, it's the shit.
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Miguel the winner? This is a bad joke. Miguel is NOT in the same league as Knuth. It is a downright insult that he won over Knuth. But I
guess being the flavour of the month pays off right? Slashdot has done wonders for Miguel the Mouth's image, especially by helping Miguel
belittle other projects. Has Knuth done that? Nope. How has making a desktop environment 'advanced' computing in general? Gnome &
KDE are still behind what you can find on other environments. Alan Kay deserved an award for helping invent the GUI in Smalltalk but that
was over 20 years ago. Is Gnome somehow more user-friendly than any other GUI out there? Not by a bloody longshot. But hey, I guess shiny
themes are more important than integrity. On the basis of Miguel's unrelenting BASHING of other projects he did NOT deserve this
recognition. If he was anyone else people would be screaming and yelling because of comments like "KDE has no future". Has Knuth bashed
other computer scientists? Has Knuth gone on record time and time again badmouthing competing ideas? It's clear this award was a
popularity contest, nothing more. I guess being part of the Slashdot clique pays off, eh? It's great to see that the Free Software Foundation
wholeheartedly supports such an unrepentant asshole as Miguel D'Icaza. (Go ahead slashdot censors, moderate me down...you gotta preserve
your boy's club don't you?)
It's a nice day outside. Why don't you go meet a nice woman or something, enjoy a milkshake, take a relaxing bath?
Then maybe you won't take offensive hissy fits on public internet forums, and stay bitter that nobody wants to hear it. Your objections were echoed by a about a thousand other, less asshole-ish people than you.
Go to hell, troll.
Marc
Gun controll is the answer? Guess what they have in the Netherlands. Thats right, gun controll. Fat lot it does those dead kids there now. Personally, I want my weapons to be available in order to defend myself from these crazy kids. I am never going to understand this. A bullet-proof vest is a move toward protection from other people with guns. Owning a gun is many things, but it is not a defense against other guns, except I suppose in a mutually understood armed conflict, which random violence is just about the antithesis of. Marc
Could someone please explain some of the silent bob humor? I saw it, but didn't get it. Marc
(and yes, before
someone says I'm blowing smoke out my buttocks, I do have the knowledge and experience at writing TCP/IP servers ala MUDs or IRC
servers to write something of this magnitude)
I say you're just blowing smoke.
Prove me wrong.
Marc
I question the veracity of the above comment. It sounds like a testimonial, and the author's home page link is to a church home page.
Plus there is the comment about prefering chaplains to guidance counselers. All together, it seems to forward the agenda
characterized by these cartoons.
Those are some scary cartoons. I am frightened by their direct emotional appeal to a sense of right, regardless of the obvious consequences of lying. What does it mean when the kids who can discern untruths would be hurt by it, but it might save all the souls who can't handle the random and enormous nature of existence? Who do you lie to in order to protect the majority?
Slashdot is looking less and less
like a good forum to have good technical discussions. More and more like an asylum of whiney losers.
Is there a word yet for this phenomenon, this
odd little "obligatory" slashdot-bashing that has become commonplace whenever anyone even slightly disagrees with a post?
Seriously, how many of you are expecting me to finish my saying "Slashdot used to have great, respectful, logical discussion but has no degnerated to..."
What the hell? We need a word for this.
Marc
But in the long run, let's see who stands.. John or those who are attempted to down him..
I cannot see this man standing much longer...
Goddamn it, everyone will probably be left standing. There is no violence or war in this story. Just because he's still making some money from AO in a few years doesn't justify him, and if he goes out of business that doesn't automatically un-justify him either.
Actually, I just learned in European history that the notion of material success implying moral elevation got started with the Calvinist reformers in the 16-17th centuries...
Marc
>Improvement and integration are typical of a
>proprietary architecture. The only possible way
>that Microsoft 'innovates' is through massive
>mergers and acquisitions,
every large company acts like this. it's called BUSINESS.
For goodness sakes, where do you learn this shit? Do you think that this SORT of business can go on unstopped forever? This is called IMMORAL or more accurately AMORAL business. It's bad for the consumer, bad for competition, bad for the quality of industries, in many cases it becomes bad for the environment, and really usually becomes bad for the employees. Who does it profit? Smaller and smaller amounts of richer and richer people. This is not "American" or any other bullshit. It's a sign that we need to start re-working our ideas of what a business enterprise can and should be.
Marc
These are PUBLIC schools. The public should decide these things, true, but they must be WITHIN THE LAW. That's all I ask. If a child can have an aspirin outside the school, he should be able to have one inside the school.
Here's another possibility of where this road may lead: rational upbringing in an environment may become a class-based privilege, as private schools advertise their "less retarded than public schools" environment.
This would be a great change from the past, when private schools were the home of strait-laced disciplinarian attitudes.
But think: Racial and class anxieties lead upper middle class parents to fund private schools all the time, especially in "dangerous" areas. This, of course,in addition to a presumption of better teachers, facilities, etc. Now add to this the idea that ANY public school is a) dangerous, because any white kid might go crazy now, and b) irrational and punitive against all students, as a response to a).
I don't think that this situation will be carefully investigated or understood, but that instead local pressure will cause politicians to support initiatives that send public money and kids to private schools, there is a name for it, I forget.
This, will of course, bring these same problems to private schools, where civil liberties will be fought over briefly, until it is decided that they are public institutions because they receive public monies.
At which point, people will be back at square one, and forced to actually analyze the problem of how to run a decent public school, when the emotionally brutalized members of the student body are at any time likely to explode.
Marc
You should. There are plenty of people out there -- like me -- who would migrate to Linux in the blink of an eye if they could get all the necessary software, even if it is commercial. I need Photoshop (no, Gimp does not cut it), I need CorelDraw (the only version available for Unix is an antique v3.5), and I need something that reads and writes MS Word and Excel well. Until these materialize (and I expect it's only a matter of time), I'm stuck on NT.
Is that the goal? I don't think that attracting every windows user to the platform, and the thus to the world, of free software is a worthy goal, especially not if non-free software is the only way to do it. What's wrong with just using NT (or solaris) if it has important propriety advantages over free systems?
Marc
as a viewer of ParseTV and a semi-friend of Shamrock and Mantis, I know how he views the hacker/cracker thing, and the stuff he said in the
"special" go against stuff I've heard him say before, so I'm sure he made all the stuff up to give MTV what they wanted. Until the whole world
becomes geeks like us, any non geek will view a hacker/cracker as the way this special, and others portray them... you need to be a nerd to realize
what's true and what's not.
Derf!!
PI was great, soundtrack kicked ass, and the way the number was being approached by a lot of people for different reasons really got me, especially
the yahweh stuff.
Listen, this is not a flame, but you are just displayed in your post the exact reason why Hollywood hacker movies have rediculously inaccurate details.
I loved Pi, but the whole "yahweh" thing was just a little too full of it and it hurt my suspension of disbelief. The reason is that the number for Pi was what, 216 or 256 digits long or something, and so was the ancient powerful name of God used by the Hebrew Temple priests in days of yore. However, if you know this sort of thing, that makes no sense, since the ancient hebrew number system assigns numerical value to letters, but not decimally!!! The last letters in the alphabet represent high-ish numbers, so that a number that is 256 decimal digits would be noticeably fewer as represented as an ancient Hebrew word.
So, this might seem like irrelevant trivia to you, just as the GUI running on a hacker's laptop would seem like trivia to a computer-illiterate. But I still would have liked Pi a little better if the religious-nut aspect had been more believable.
Marc
do it.
I don't get you people at all. People who cannot use a computer without those kinds of all-encompassing metaphors should not be in charge of administrating an entire operating system, but should instead have some sort of limited shell. All of your automation and auto-update suggestions would seriously make any system a security hazard. Why don't we make a market of computer 'appliances' and separate it from the raw computer market? Imacs for the masses, and linux boxes for the people who want a machine and not an appliance. Marc
Enough, I am a college freshman and my computer
ONLY runs Mandrake, actually with the MacOS 8
KDE theme, a friend who is a freshman at rutgers
runs dual/boot win98 and mandrake (he likes
gnome over KDE) and yet another friend runs only
mandrake on his IndyBox, and he is a straight-up
fucking Newbie. he just called me to brag that
he read the CD-Burning howto and the IDE-SCSI
howto and was now able to burn CD's. HE's never,
ever used Unix before or done progamming, and his
old computeer was DOS/win3.1
Nobody at college, looking at my desktop in KDE,
has any IDEA that this isn't windows or a mac.
Seriously, just use Mandrake, it's the shit.
Marc