I wouldn't call invasion of a sovereign territory in violation of international agreement related to nuclear disarmament and a fake referendum for annexation, coupled with another 40,000 troops amassing on the eastern border of Ukraine after weeks of exercises merely "sabre rattling".
China wont join Russia because if it sells it's US dollars then it just means it's tanked the main country in the world it's dependent on for exports meaning it'll kill it's own economy.
Russia doesn't have enough dollars to matter.
Economically, Russia finds itself on the losing side of history once again here if it tries to push it's luck.
To be fair support for separation was higher (roughly 50%) but support for joining Russia was only 41% before Putin's thugs turned up armed and en-masse to rig the vote.
You're right though, the referendum was a joke, I don't even know why dictators like Putin do this, you'd think if you're going to rig a vote you at least make it semi-believable at like 60% or something, but really, 97%, are they actually trying to take the piss or what? 82% turnout and 97% vote for joining Russia does indeed imply that Ukrainians and Tatars that are almost universally opposed to joining Russia voted for exactly that. This alone shows what an absolute complete and utter farce it was.
As if the hijacking of all Crimean comms in and out, radio, TV, and surrounding of military bases and refusal to allow international observers in whilst beating up journalists wasn't obvious evidence enough that a fraudulent vote was about to follow. I'm not sure who exactly they're trying to convince short of the few useful idiots that are dotted about here and there, but what do they matter? It's almost like they're just trying to convince themselves they're doing the right thing, as it sure as hell ain't convincing anyone else that matters.
Of course there are idiots on both sides, but my comment was based on Putin's 70%+ approval rating.
Americans can at least be proud of only giving Obama an approval rating of what, 40 - 50% last check and Bush even lower previously with his level of idiocy became particularly obvious.
Hence why I said Russia is 70% full of idiots, because 70% of them approve of Putin and his actions.
"This is also why Russia was so upset with the US considering putting their missile defense systems in Poland."
Well the US actually negotiated with Putin and pulled back from doing this to allay his concerns.
Now he starts invading neighbours who gave up their nuclear weapons, annexing their territory and talking about nuclear war.
Sounds like maybe the Ukraine should've kept their nukes, and the US kept their interceptor program - the more Putin has been appeased, the more dangerous he has gotten.
The problem then is that all that's left in Russia are the idiots, it's chilling enough knowing that Russia is about 70% full of idiots with it's thousands of nukes, letting that stretch to 100% is probably not a good idea.
Yes, because everything wrong on Earth is the West's fault, and Russia is a perfectly little angel that produces nothing other than rainbows and unicorns.
In other news Kim Jong Un was re-elected with 100% of the popular vote for being such a glorious leader of the people.
Is it me or does it look like someone took an XBox One controller and stuck all the buttons underneath rather than on top? I know it doesn't have thumbsticks but the grips and buttons look identical to those of the Xbox One controller and the Steam button is a blatant rip off of the Xbox One button.
Given that this, the Wii U Pro controllers, the PS4 controller, and the Xbox One controller are all blatant rip offs of the XBox 360 controller is there some un-admitted acceptance that the Xbox 360 controller was the near pinnacle of controller design or something? Everyone seems to be cloning the 360 controller extremely closely.
Battlefield as well, but similarly some of the PS4s flagship games (Infamous) have had issues reaching 1080p @ 60fps so it's really not an XBox One only issue contrary to the claim above - that's really just popular myth spread by fanboys and peddled by the unaware. I suspect above all else it's simply because both consoles are new hardware.
The real test will be what's going on in a year or two, if there is still disparity then then there is a problem. Judging current titles is difficult because the hardware was still changing when all current titles were in development so current games were all developed against a moving target and that's bound to cause issues by the time release is reached. This is especially the case with the XBox One where Microsoft completely and utterly changed the DRM system and so forth last minute which will have required effort by devs - effort that could've meant time that would otherwise have gone towards better optimisation.
Microsoft recently lowered the requirements on reserved CPU for Kinect, so I imagine that had some relevance too - they were perhaps just asking developers to put more aside than was necessary because they weren't sure themselves what they could get away with. Both companies are still refining their systems, but too a lesser degree. But again, it's only Christmas next year (Christmas 2015) that we'll begin to see games developed purely on the now static hardware definitions and many not even until Christmas 2016 as a 3 year dev cycle for an AAA title is fairly typical.
If last generation is anything to go by though I suspect in a year or twos time it just wont matter anyway - games will almost entirely be getting ported to both systems, exclusives will be rare, and it'll only really come down to whose controllers and interface you like best at the end of the day.
As the father of a mathematics PhD one would think you'd be well aware of the point that correlation does not equal causation. It sounds like she got where she did in spite of you, not because of you.
I agree in principle but what happens when there is no platform to challenge it?
In the UK I time and time again see outright lies peddled by media darlings like Nigel Farage but the media aren't interested in challenging it because they either support those lies or because the truth is uninteresting. It's taken the deputy prime minister to challenge him to a debate to finally get movement - why weren't Lib Dem MPs or Green MPs getting the same airtime as Farage?
It was the same with the AV vote, the media were peddling outright lies about the AV system left and right such that the public went from favouring it to heavily voting against it in the actual referendum, because there was no one being given an equal platform to challenge it - people were being peddled a fuck ton of lies on the issue.
So free speech is meaningless if some views are being given a much broader platform than others. There's no point having free speech if the only place you're allowed to have it is in a dark locked sound proof room. You need to make sure the broadcasters - those who control the major speech platforms - give equal weight to opposing views.
I've pondered this before when I've been stuck for an hour or more on a train on the way home because someone's selfishly decided to commit suicide by jumping in front of a train.
I've never really understood it, I always saw suicide as an act of desperation, an act you would perform either to take your pain away or to stop yourself being a burden on the world if that's how you feel due to depression etc.
But if someone is willing to kill others as part of their suicide, or even simply ruin the evening of hundreds of commuters and mentally scar a train driver and a number of police/ambulance workers for life with the vision of their obliterated corpse, I can't help but assume that sometimes when people commit suicide they also do so in a manner whereby they're actually seeking revenge on the world that they perhaps feel was so cruel to them?
When people end their lives in such a disruptive and cruel manner it no longer seems to be a simple act of escape - I suspect there's much more to it for some people who do that.
Or perhaps it's simply that we shouldn't expect all people with suicidal tendencies to necessarily think rationally - perhaps in their mind the harm to others isn't even something that ever enters their thought process?
Russia has always had the option of joining the EU, in fact, after the fall of the USSR there was even a lot of talk about allowing it entry into NATO.
But that aint going to work for Putin because the EU is a largely democratic organisation, and Putin wants to run a dictatorship all by himself, so he's always chosen to pursue conflict with them rather than cooperation, unlike his predecessors post-USSR who were more progressive and more willing to look to eventually becoming a more integral part of Europe and NATO.
Erm, because you want the Ukraine to become part of Russia and Putin is in charge of Russia, which would mean Putin would become in charge of the Ukraine?
The real question is why are you trying to pretend Putin ISN'T part of this equation?
The Berkut (acting as Yanukovych/Russian enforcers) were shooting at riot police AND protesters to try and provoke a bigger confrontation between the two - this is something eyewitnesses in both the police and protesters have both attested to witnessing. This did result in some police/protesters firing at each other in the confusion it caused.
"If it was in any way lawful Yanukovych wouldn't have to flee the country."
He didn't have to flee the country, no one made him flee the country. What he didn't want was to face justice though because the only thing that was unlawful was his used of the Berkut to kill civilians and police alike.
"Why do you think that polls manipulated by Ukrainian regime are any better than polls manipulated by Russian regime?"
Because when that poll was done there was no Ukrainian regime other than Yanukovych's.
"And even 33% wanting to secede is more than enough to demonstrate tension."
That's roughly the same amount of Scottish people that want independence from the rest of the UK, yet there is literally no tension between the English and Scots. Wanting something as a minority doesn't mean you're willing to kill, rape and riot for it - some people are mature enough to accept the democratic decision of the majority, and that if they don't, they always have the option to move to Russia if being in Russia is the most important thing to them (Hint: Ukrainians can't move to the Ukraine if they don't want to be part of Russia and the Ukraine no longer exists). What would create tension though is a minority forcing something down the throats of a majority, which is exactly what's happening with Putin's annexation of Crimea.
"It's really huge value that means that radical national stance is untenable for Ukraine."
Stop using "national", and "nationalism" like you know what it means. The only nationalist here is you, you're a Russian nationalist because you support annexation of Ukraine into Russia, you believe Russia is the mother state into which all states have been enveloped. No one here is as stupid as you though and hence no one is buying it. Go worship Putin in Moscow or something if you desperately want people who are stupid enough to follow your line of nationalist and fascist thinking.
The whole reason Putin has troops locking down Crimea and spreading propaganda left and right is precisely because he knows he could not win the referendum there legitimately. It's a sham, a stitch up, theft of Ukranian territory against the genuine will of the people. Even with a majority of 58% of ethnic Russian origin in Crimea most of those ethnic Russians still identify their nationality as Ukrainian, even though their ethnicity is Russian.
There is no division in the Ukraine, separatists across the whole nations are an absolute minority. It's no different to Scotland and the UK in this respect - the fact that 90% of the population there are Scottish doesn't mean 90% are in favour of independence, on the contrary, polling consistently puts only about 30% in favour of independence.
There was no coup. The democratically elected Ukrainian parliament voted with a majority of 73% to oust Yanukovych. That's a democratic decision, not a coup.
There is no part of the Ukraine where a majority of people want to merge with Russia, that's why Russia is deploying troops and spreading propaganda in Crimea, because it's the only way they can rig the vote to make it look like that's the case.
See here, and stop spouting Putin's lies and propaganda for him:
You seem to think state can be separated from it's leadership.
It can't, both are far too closely intertwined to make the absurd argument you're making that you can merge Ukraine and Russia and tell the Ukrainians not to worry about Putin.
If the Ukraine merges with Russia it ends up stuck with Putin. Ukrainians don't want Putin, so Ukrainians shouldn't have to merge with Russia. It really is no more complicated than that.
Well ignoring the fact I'm not American, something I thought would be pretty clear from my post, where I say "my nation, the UK", what you say still applies to my nation, and I agree it is hypocritical for us to lecture on some issues.
This is not one of those issues, and the argument has worn thin. This government has been actively pulling us out of wars, and our current parliament was the one that put a stop to plans to bomb Syria when we voted against that.
As such I do (especially as someone who voted for the only mainstream party that voted against the Iraq war) have every right to criticise Russia and the Russians that support Putin.
Your nonsense about psyops by the CIA is stupid too given that exactly that sort of meddling by the Russians is what has caused the Ukraine to end up like this - you're basically arguing it's okay for Russia to install a dictator, but if the CIA dares to try and counter than then they're OMG BAD GUY. Either it's bad when nations do that or it's not, you can't suggest it's only an outrage when America does it.
Try reading before you post a rant in future. Assuming someone is American just because they argue against Russian support for Putin says an awful lot about your own irrational bias towards the situation than anything else - you have a preconceived assumption that anything wrong in the world is America's fault, and anyone defending western action to try and right that wrong is obviously an American. It's pathetic - there's room for far more than one evil in this world, and one country doing wrong doesn't automatically make all other countries right.
"Naturally I don't ask them to give up their culture. But I don't want them to force it on unwilling people on territory of Ukraine. This is absolutely inadmissible. "
Yet you want to force it onto them and when you do it it's not inadmissible? You don't see the hypocrisy in that?
"This is the reason Crimea rebelled."
Accept it didn't. In polling in February before this all happened only 41% of Crimeans wanted to join Russia. What's going on in Crimea isn't rebellion, it's Russian occupation - it's forced annexation of Crimea against the will of the people there - you know, that thing that on one hand you're saying is inadmissible, and on the other you're arguing for?
"If Ukrainian state respected Russian people as much Russian Federation respects its own people of different nationalities"
Yeah because it's so nice being Jewish in Russia and suffering attacks from Neo Nazis? It's so nice being Chechnyan in Russia and getting bombed to fuck? Outside of nationalities it's so nice being gay in Russia and being legislated against and beaten to death with the blessing of the state? It's so nice having differing political views than Putin and being beaten, jailed, or killed?
The only thing Russians look after in Russia are straight white Russians who conform to the will of Putin. Anything else and you're fucked.
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I guess it depends how you define idiot, I know plenty of smart idiots :)
Take Obama for example, he actually seems a pretty smart guy, but he's still a fucking idiot for failing to close Guantanamo etc.
I wouldn't call invasion of a sovereign territory in violation of international agreement related to nuclear disarmament and a fake referendum for annexation, coupled with another 40,000 troops amassing on the eastern border of Ukraine after weeks of exercises merely "sabre rattling".
China wont join Russia because if it sells it's US dollars then it just means it's tanked the main country in the world it's dependent on for exports meaning it'll kill it's own economy.
Russia doesn't have enough dollars to matter.
Economically, Russia finds itself on the losing side of history once again here if it tries to push it's luck.
To be fair support for separation was higher (roughly 50%) but support for joining Russia was only 41% before Putin's thugs turned up armed and en-masse to rig the vote.
You're right though, the referendum was a joke, I don't even know why dictators like Putin do this, you'd think if you're going to rig a vote you at least make it semi-believable at like 60% or something, but really, 97%, are they actually trying to take the piss or what? 82% turnout and 97% vote for joining Russia does indeed imply that Ukrainians and Tatars that are almost universally opposed to joining Russia voted for exactly that. This alone shows what an absolute complete and utter farce it was.
As if the hijacking of all Crimean comms in and out, radio, TV, and surrounding of military bases and refusal to allow international observers in whilst beating up journalists wasn't obvious evidence enough that a fraudulent vote was about to follow. I'm not sure who exactly they're trying to convince short of the few useful idiots that are dotted about here and there, but what do they matter? It's almost like they're just trying to convince themselves they're doing the right thing, as it sure as hell ain't convincing anyone else that matters.
Of course there are idiots on both sides, but my comment was based on Putin's 70%+ approval rating.
Americans can at least be proud of only giving Obama an approval rating of what, 40 - 50% last check and Bush even lower previously with his level of idiocy became particularly obvious.
Hence why I said Russia is 70% full of idiots, because 70% of them approve of Putin and his actions.
"This is also why Russia was so upset with the US considering putting their missile defense systems in Poland."
Well the US actually negotiated with Putin and pulled back from doing this to allay his concerns.
Now he starts invading neighbours who gave up their nuclear weapons, annexing their territory and talking about nuclear war.
Sounds like maybe the Ukraine should've kept their nukes, and the US kept their interceptor program - the more Putin has been appeased, the more dangerous he has gotten.
The problem then is that all that's left in Russia are the idiots, it's chilling enough knowing that Russia is about 70% full of idiots with it's thousands of nukes, letting that stretch to 100% is probably not a good idea.
Yes, because everything wrong on Earth is the West's fault, and Russia is a perfectly little angel that produces nothing other than rainbows and unicorns.
In other news Kim Jong Un was re-elected with 100% of the popular vote for being such a glorious leader of the people.
They improved it again with the Xbox One, have you tried that?
Have you played Lego City Undercover or Pikmin 3? They both make good use of it.
Is it me or does it look like someone took an XBox One controller and stuck all the buttons underneath rather than on top? I know it doesn't have thumbsticks but the grips and buttons look identical to those of the Xbox One controller and the Steam button is a blatant rip off of the Xbox One button.
Given that this, the Wii U Pro controllers, the PS4 controller, and the Xbox One controller are all blatant rip offs of the XBox 360 controller is there some un-admitted acceptance that the Xbox 360 controller was the near pinnacle of controller design or something? Everyone seems to be cloning the 360 controller extremely closely.
Battlefield as well, but similarly some of the PS4s flagship games (Infamous) have had issues reaching 1080p @ 60fps so it's really not an XBox One only issue contrary to the claim above - that's really just popular myth spread by fanboys and peddled by the unaware. I suspect above all else it's simply because both consoles are new hardware.
The real test will be what's going on in a year or two, if there is still disparity then then there is a problem. Judging current titles is difficult because the hardware was still changing when all current titles were in development so current games were all developed against a moving target and that's bound to cause issues by the time release is reached. This is especially the case with the XBox One where Microsoft completely and utterly changed the DRM system and so forth last minute which will have required effort by devs - effort that could've meant time that would otherwise have gone towards better optimisation.
Microsoft recently lowered the requirements on reserved CPU for Kinect, so I imagine that had some relevance too - they were perhaps just asking developers to put more aside than was necessary because they weren't sure themselves what they could get away with. Both companies are still refining their systems, but too a lesser degree. But again, it's only Christmas next year (Christmas 2015) that we'll begin to see games developed purely on the now static hardware definitions and many not even until Christmas 2016 as a 3 year dev cycle for an AAA title is fairly typical.
If last generation is anything to go by though I suspect in a year or twos time it just wont matter anyway - games will almost entirely be getting ported to both systems, exclusives will be rare, and it'll only really come down to whose controllers and interface you like best at the end of the day.
"but the result speaks for itself."
No it doesn't.
As the father of a mathematics PhD one would think you'd be well aware of the point that correlation does not equal causation. It sounds like she got where she did in spite of you, not because of you.
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I agree in principle but what happens when there is no platform to challenge it?
In the UK I time and time again see outright lies peddled by media darlings like Nigel Farage but the media aren't interested in challenging it because they either support those lies or because the truth is uninteresting. It's taken the deputy prime minister to challenge him to a debate to finally get movement - why weren't Lib Dem MPs or Green MPs getting the same airtime as Farage?
It was the same with the AV vote, the media were peddling outright lies about the AV system left and right such that the public went from favouring it to heavily voting against it in the actual referendum, because there was no one being given an equal platform to challenge it - people were being peddled a fuck ton of lies on the issue.
So free speech is meaningless if some views are being given a much broader platform than others. There's no point having free speech if the only place you're allowed to have it is in a dark locked sound proof room. You need to make sure the broadcasters - those who control the major speech platforms - give equal weight to opposing views.
That and an unidentified/known to be missing airliner flying towards the US just screams "scramble your jets, and shoot me down".
I've pondered this before when I've been stuck for an hour or more on a train on the way home because someone's selfishly decided to commit suicide by jumping in front of a train.
I've never really understood it, I always saw suicide as an act of desperation, an act you would perform either to take your pain away or to stop yourself being a burden on the world if that's how you feel due to depression etc.
But if someone is willing to kill others as part of their suicide, or even simply ruin the evening of hundreds of commuters and mentally scar a train driver and a number of police/ambulance workers for life with the vision of their obliterated corpse, I can't help but assume that sometimes when people commit suicide they also do so in a manner whereby they're actually seeking revenge on the world that they perhaps feel was so cruel to them?
When people end their lives in such a disruptive and cruel manner it no longer seems to be a simple act of escape - I suspect there's much more to it for some people who do that.
Or perhaps it's simply that we shouldn't expect all people with suicidal tendencies to necessarily think rationally - perhaps in their mind the harm to others isn't even something that ever enters their thought process?
Russia has always had the option of joining the EU, in fact, after the fall of the USSR there was even a lot of talk about allowing it entry into NATO.
But that aint going to work for Putin because the EU is a largely democratic organisation, and Putin wants to run a dictatorship all by himself, so he's always chosen to pursue conflict with them rather than cooperation, unlike his predecessors post-USSR who were more progressive and more willing to look to eventually becoming a more integral part of Europe and NATO.
Erm, because you want the Ukraine to become part of Russia and Putin is in charge of Russia, which would mean Putin would become in charge of the Ukraine?
The real question is why are you trying to pretend Putin ISN'T part of this equation?
The Berkut (acting as Yanukovych/Russian enforcers) were shooting at riot police AND protesters to try and provoke a bigger confrontation between the two - this is something eyewitnesses in both the police and protesters have both attested to witnessing. This did result in some police/protesters firing at each other in the confusion it caused.
"If it was in any way lawful Yanukovych wouldn't have to flee the country."
He didn't have to flee the country, no one made him flee the country. What he didn't want was to face justice though because the only thing that was unlawful was his used of the Berkut to kill civilians and police alike.
"Why do you think that polls manipulated by Ukrainian regime are any better than polls manipulated by Russian regime?"
Because when that poll was done there was no Ukrainian regime other than Yanukovych's.
"And even 33% wanting to secede is more than enough to demonstrate tension."
That's roughly the same amount of Scottish people that want independence from the rest of the UK, yet there is literally no tension between the English and Scots. Wanting something as a minority doesn't mean you're willing to kill, rape and riot for it - some people are mature enough to accept the democratic decision of the majority, and that if they don't, they always have the option to move to Russia if being in Russia is the most important thing to them (Hint: Ukrainians can't move to the Ukraine if they don't want to be part of Russia and the Ukraine no longer exists). What would create tension though is a minority forcing something down the throats of a majority, which is exactly what's happening with Putin's annexation of Crimea.
"It's really huge value that means that radical national stance is untenable for Ukraine."
Stop using "national", and "nationalism" like you know what it means. The only nationalist here is you, you're a Russian nationalist because you support annexation of Ukraine into Russia, you believe Russia is the mother state into which all states have been enveloped. No one here is as stupid as you though and hence no one is buying it. Go worship Putin in Moscow or something if you desperately want people who are stupid enough to follow your line of nationalist and fascist thinking.
No side wants to be part of the Russian block, that's a key myth that Putin is desperately trying to peddle:
http://www.cityam.com/blog/139...
The whole reason Putin has troops locking down Crimea and spreading propaganda left and right is precisely because he knows he could not win the referendum there legitimately. It's a sham, a stitch up, theft of Ukranian territory against the genuine will of the people. Even with a majority of 58% of ethnic Russian origin in Crimea most of those ethnic Russians still identify their nationality as Ukrainian, even though their ethnicity is Russian.
There is no division in the Ukraine, separatists across the whole nations are an absolute minority. It's no different to Scotland and the UK in this respect - the fact that 90% of the population there are Scottish doesn't mean 90% are in favour of independence, on the contrary, polling consistently puts only about 30% in favour of independence.
There was no coup. The democratically elected Ukrainian parliament voted with a majority of 73% to oust Yanukovych. That's a democratic decision, not a coup.
There is no part of the Ukraine where a majority of people want to merge with Russia, that's why Russia is deploying troops and spreading propaganda in Crimea, because it's the only way they can rig the vote to make it look like that's the case.
See here, and stop spouting Putin's lies and propaganda for him:
http://www.cityam.com/blog/139...
You seem to think state can be separated from it's leadership.
It can't, both are far too closely intertwined to make the absurd argument you're making that you can merge Ukraine and Russia and tell the Ukrainians not to worry about Putin.
If the Ukraine merges with Russia it ends up stuck with Putin. Ukrainians don't want Putin, so Ukrainians shouldn't have to merge with Russia. It really is no more complicated than that.
Well ignoring the fact I'm not American, something I thought would be pretty clear from my post, where I say "my nation, the UK", what you say still applies to my nation, and I agree it is hypocritical for us to lecture on some issues.
This is not one of those issues, and the argument has worn thin. This government has been actively pulling us out of wars, and our current parliament was the one that put a stop to plans to bomb Syria when we voted against that.
As such I do (especially as someone who voted for the only mainstream party that voted against the Iraq war) have every right to criticise Russia and the Russians that support Putin.
Your nonsense about psyops by the CIA is stupid too given that exactly that sort of meddling by the Russians is what has caused the Ukraine to end up like this - you're basically arguing it's okay for Russia to install a dictator, but if the CIA dares to try and counter than then they're OMG BAD GUY. Either it's bad when nations do that or it's not, you can't suggest it's only an outrage when America does it.
Try reading before you post a rant in future. Assuming someone is American just because they argue against Russian support for Putin says an awful lot about your own irrational bias towards the situation than anything else - you have a preconceived assumption that anything wrong in the world is America's fault, and anyone defending western action to try and right that wrong is obviously an American. It's pathetic - there's room for far more than one evil in this world, and one country doing wrong doesn't automatically make all other countries right.
"Naturally I don't ask them to give up their culture. But I don't want them to force it on unwilling people on territory of Ukraine. This is absolutely inadmissible. "
Yet you want to force it onto them and when you do it it's not inadmissible? You don't see the hypocrisy in that?
"This is the reason Crimea rebelled."
Accept it didn't. In polling in February before this all happened only 41% of Crimeans wanted to join Russia. What's going on in Crimea isn't rebellion, it's Russian occupation - it's forced annexation of Crimea against the will of the people there - you know, that thing that on one hand you're saying is inadmissible, and on the other you're arguing for?
"If Ukrainian state respected Russian people as much Russian Federation respects its own people of different nationalities"
Yeah because it's so nice being Jewish in Russia and suffering attacks from Neo Nazis? It's so nice being Chechnyan in Russia and getting bombed to fuck? Outside of nationalities it's so nice being gay in Russia and being legislated against and beaten to death with the blessing of the state? It's so nice having differing political views than Putin and being beaten, jailed, or killed?
The only thing Russians look after in Russia are straight white Russians who conform to the will of Putin. Anything else and you're fucked.