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Russian State TV Anchor: Russia Could Turn US To "Radioactive Ash"
An anonymous reader writes with a Ukraine news roundup. "'Russia is the only country in the world realistically capable of turning the United States into radioactive ash,' anchor Dmitry Kiselyov said on his weekly news show on state-controlled Rossiya 1 television. ... His programme was broadcast as the first exit polls were being published showing an overwhelming majority of Crimeans voting to leave Ukraine and join Russia. He stood in his studio in front of a gigantic image of a mushroom cloud produced after a nuclear attack, with the words 'into radioactive ash.' ... Kiselyov has earned a reputation as one of Russia's most provocative television news hosts, in particularly with his often blatantly homophobic remarks. But he is also hugely influential with his weekly news show broadcast at Sunday evening prime time. Putin last year appointed Kiselyov head of the new Russia Today news agency that is to replace the soon to be liquidated RIA Novosti news agency with the aim of better promoting Russia's official position. — Russia has threatened to stop nuclear disarmament treaty inspections and cooperation. Russian troops are reported to have seized a natural gas terminal in Ukraine outside of Crimea. There are reported to be 60,000 Russian troops massing on Russia's border with Ukraine."
I see the Putin Propaganda Machine is in full-Stalin mode.
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Kind of like a Russian Sarah Palin then?
I would be surprised if someone like Rush Limbaugh hasn't said something similar about Russia on their US based cable/radio news programs in the past few weeks. I'm sure both of our nations have their own crackpot news agencies.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
But this is the kind of thing that tends to happen when the west deliberately destabilises a country for its own ends to try and keep the ponzi scheme going.
call me when you can turn us into cookie dough ice cream
For as long as Putin and his cronies are in power, the U.S. and the rest of the western world should offer any law-abiding Russian citizen who wants to leave an automatic green card, work permit, etc. We cannot realistically or morally change Russia from the outside. The most powerful weapon against fanaticism would be allowing regular law-abiding Russians to vote with their feet. We could always use some more scientists and engineers anyway...
If only the US hadn't antagonized Stalin the Soviets wouldn't have built nukes and the world would be at peace. Shame on us.
Also, the US Military Industrial Complex is using Putin to scare the US into a defense build-up; the Russians are innocent pawns of US capitalists and none of this is their fault.
That should about cover it. Please forgo repeating the above in 80% of the threads that follow. Thanks.
Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
And the United States is the only country in the world realistically capable of turning the USSR....err "Russia" into radioactive ash. For crying out loud are we really going to do all of this again? Why?
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In this corner Bill O'Reilly for the U.S of A and in the other corner Dmitry Kiselyov for the Russian Federation. In a match to see who can talk their own country into radioactive ash first!
READY, FIGHT!!!
It all starts at 0
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Obama: I'm not beaten yet. I still have armies in the Ukraine.
This comment perks up the ears of what appears to be a Russian immigrant.
Putin: Ha ha, Ukraine. Do you know what Ukraine is? It is sitting duck. A road apple, Obama. Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put hurt on Ukraine.
Ukrainian: I come from Ukraine. You not say Ukraine weak.
Putin: Yeah, well we're playing a game here, pal.
Ukrainian: Ukraine is game to you?! Howbout I take your little board and smash it!!
The Ukrainian pounds the game board, destroying it and sending army pieces flying.
If the US gets missile defense systems into the Ukraine they could theoretically win a nuclear war with a first strike. This is what has Putin's panties in a bunch. This is also why Russia was so upset with the US considering putting their missile defense systems in Poland.
It would still be a crazy gambit, as Russia still has nuclear subs, and who the heck would want to take the risk? Is Putin just paranoid, or would the US really try to win a nuclear war? There are some crazy motherfuckers in positions of power in the US.
Using nukes is soooo 1980's. You gotta change with the times, Pooty-poot. Are you then going to shower us with acid rain from the 1990s? Huh?
You must instead use the threat of Global Warming to destroy the United States. Yes, you will increase the temperature of the United States by 1.5 degrees Fahrenheit and cook us to death.
Well, international relations are heating up again, coffee-break is over and the West should better wake up and start doing something. If raw power is the only thing that can stop the bad guys, raw power we must accumulate.
if Russia managed to put its agent as the President in The United States, in what way would he be different from Obama?
The 80's are calling. They would like to know if you need a foreign poilicy.
He's not Stalin at all, he's Putin it into top gear!
...are singing and dancing. If the Invisible Hand isn't sweating, why should I?
In mother Russia, radioactivity finds you.
It might be half a world away, but it WILL find you. Not to mention that there would likely be retaliation in kind.
This is just Putin Fist Pumping national pride. Putin is poking the US in the eye with the Ukraine thing and they are upping the rhetoric while they can, just in case the US actually manages to do something with teeth. If they can isolate Russia some, it might cause a public relations problem for Putin so he just getting as far ahead as he can.
To answer a question from a past movie... Let's play Tic Tac Toe and skip that Thermo-Nuclear war thing...
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
The represent any of russia ,Ukraine and USA should meet in the ring. With one of the Klitschko's as a president this should be easy for Ukraine. I only hope that this hipocryte Obama gets bloody nose too.
No worries. Everyone knows the key to winning is in Kamchatka.
And Japan... ... /me sips his rum.
Next up: Russians "deport" American astronauts from ISS, as they are the only country with a manned space flight program. How ironic; we spend many billions to build it, and then scrap our only way of getting to it. Nice plan. No wonder USA is number 37.
Someday USA might be a great country, but this decade and the next is not that day.
USA is now filled with religious, science-denying blowhards that will turn this country into a backwater 3rd world with nuclear weapons and offshore billionaires that own the government. Just look at Greenspan's comments. We'll all be shooting each other for food in a few years, while CEOs sit on piles of cash that guarantee they are comfortable for 6 or 7 generations.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
There were those of us who fought against this. But in the end, we could not keep up with the expense involved in the arms race, the space race, and the peace race. And at the same time, our people grumbled for more nylons and washing machines. Our Doomsday scheme cost us just a small fraction of what we'd been spending on defense in a single year. But the deciding factor was when we learned that your country was working along similar lines, and we were afraid of a Doomsday gap.
You do realize if the US burns, you'll freeze, starve, and wind up with cataracts in the inevitable nuclear winter right?
"The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." George Bernard Shaw
This CANNOT be posted enough. Obama was 100% wrong, and Romney was 100% right.
Call it sour grapes for the 2012 election, but the guy that lost saw the potential problems coming - and our current administration mocked him for it. And Romney haters mocked him online and in the media.
Bottom line: As of today, when it comes to international relations, the executive branch looks like it's being run today by an amateur - supported by amateurs, all living in the same intellectual bubble full of yes men.
From the people who mentor Karl Rove, Fox News, and Clear Channel. History our way.
Russia is the only country in the world realistically capable of turning the United States into radioactive ash
The US could do it too. Haven't they seen T3?
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The US invaded Iraq without UN approval and with false proof (remember the WMD) to "liberate" it. Now Russia does the same with Crimea, only the proof is much more valid, even if this poll was a complete farce. What's new?
Disclaimer: I'm EU citizen and totally against all this idiotic behavior. But let's be honest - the US has no moral standing in cases like this anymore, even if Obama is not to blame for Iraq. And the EU, well, they simply have no backbone in foreign policy.
Rush speaks for his corporate masters in the sense that he must keep ratings up. Rush's audience is older white men - many are in fact college educated - surprised me too.
Rush makes, what $30 million/year? To get that he has to suck that demographic in. To do that, he spouts the shit they want to hear and the shit the pisses them off.
See, the best way to get people to listen or watch is to piss them off and to scare them.
Rush, Hannity, all of Fox News does this - they even bend the truth significantly to do it.
Here's their rhetorical formula:
1. State a fact - ex. a law was passed to force (actually encourage) banks to lend money for homes in poor neighborhoods (Community Reinvestment Act of 1977)
2. State a half truth that makes sense - "Banks HAD to lend to poor people who probably couldn't afford it!"
3. State a lie - "This Democrat law caused the financial collapse of 2008"
4. Skip details that also hurt "their" side - Bush enforced that law while he was POTUS (see previous cite) and the fact that those borrowers had a LESS of a default rate than the general population. (Old white middle class guys don't want to hear that poor black people are better than they are.)
Here's another little secret - Rush and Hannity and all of Fox News popped champagne when Obama was elected and reelected - "There's not much to talk about when your guy is in office." - station manager of a Talk Radio Station.
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If you want to watch the scariest movie you'll ever see, then check out The Day After right now. It's a 30 year-old film about what would happen if the US and Russia nuked each other. The imagery and savagery are horrific -- not for the amazing visual effects, but that they are applied to innocent bystanders just living life at home.
It should be required viewing for everyone beating the war drums.
If the dollar goes way cheaper, guess what people this is a good thing. You then become so low priced for making things that China loses its jobs to the Americans, this is how china in one way bets the Americans. Well, really that and their schools focus is one education and not sports at school. Where the tiger mom whips their kids if they get less than a A, meh... Lazy Americans should have taken care of Russia a long time ago.
your messed, you don't have the education anymore .
Luckily, I am in a nation that is pivoting away from the United Staes and selling our recourses to China and Russia :)
Too bad Jack Ryan isn't president. Crazy stuff here - the Russians apparently read too much Clancy: http://www.amazon.com/Command-...
Slashdot has gotten so soft, so much like reddit and other useless sites. It pains me to see the decline after so many years. Food is relevant to nerds, so why not cooking news? Best way to arrange you star wars underwear? All these new useless users make me sick.
If you can't understand metaphors that the rest of us don't have a problem with then please stop posting.
For how dumb Palin is supposed to be, I find it ironic that the only quote brought up about her is what Tina Fey said dressed up as Palin.
Dismissing that as the you being so stupid you don't realize it, I guess Palin is smarter than at least you are.
It only took them a few decades to figure this one out.
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First of all, China could too and probably more successfully. Secondly, Russia pretends to have this big military and lots of armor and blah blah blah. When Russia said something about the size of their military or number of tanks being higher than the US, I remember whoever they were interviewing from the US military said "We don't call them units. We call them targets, actually." They have to be modern and working to be considered threats. I don't think we're real scared of leftover tanks that didn't sell at Russia's garage sale after WW2.
If Russia is really the only country that can nuke the USA and where the nuclear afterstrike from the USA would vaporize Russia.
We need more countries with those weapons capability!
@Obama:
Hey pal think broader, just send Assad the shiny GBU with his name tag on it, just don't confront russia, only poke it where it's vulnerable.
Syria, harbours a russian naval base, and a "free" new government would extend that treaty .. wouldn't it !?
So the best answer to the russian invasion is really a bomb to Mr. Assad.
Btw. the rebells in Chechnia are really in the need of manpads and rpgs.
And deliver some nice "presents" to the new ukrainian government, I think Russia should pay a hefty price.
And the best weapons to deter an offensive enemy are defensive capabilities where the attacker runs into 100s or skrimishes, and therefore russias airforce offensive capabilities must be obliberated.
Russia will remember Afghanistan, make sure they will remember the ukraine too.
I am unpleasantly reminded of Metro 2033 a novel from 2005 in which the world experienced a nuclear holocaust in the year 2013.
Let's just hope it wasn't prophetic...
If the people of Crimea voted to break away from Ukraine and join Russia, who the fark are we (ie. the rest of the world) to say no?
It is none of our damn business, honestly.
And if the EU doesn't like it, why don't they stop buying Russian oil and gas? That will get Russia's attention a fark of a lot faster than useless sanctions.
Why does the U.S. need moral standing? That's a bit like saying a rapist can't save a little girl from being kidnapped because he's a rapist.
Will Russia be able to say the same? Looks to me like they are annexing the Crimea, so not really the same thing at all.
We won't go to war with Russia. We are kindred spirits. Both of us will let any moron get hold of a microphone.
Have gnu, will travel.
I also bet that you could break Mike Tyson's nose with a sucker punch.
You might want to remove the word "realistic" as it will never happen.
Other countries opposed to US interests have hydrogen bombs and missile delivery systems as well.
A mere 100 can end human life on earth so you could just blow them up on your doorstep and wait for the winds to circulate the fall out. Or wait a little longer for Fukushima reactors to have a full core breach with oxygen exposure and the site becomes unstable enough that you can't maintain a water pool over the melted cores or spent fuel pools. I guess reactors are much more efficient that bombs in getting radiation to the populations of the world.
China won't be able to pick up the pieces because a large-scale nuclear war means a decade of nuclear winter, the end of the ozone layer, and the possible annihilation of our entire species.
With our last breath, we 'won!' because it was better to go extinct than to look 'weak.'
I'll vote for cooler heads.
"The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." George Bernard Shaw
So... what your saying is Russians are watching Fox News and saying - hell, that is a great idea, lets copy them!
This thread seems to focus on nuclear bombs as a destructive weapon but a nuclear nightmare can be created using conventional weapons either by attacking nuclear reactors or using dirty bombs. According to Wikipedia Russia has something like 30 nuclear power plants, many of the same design as those at Chernobyl. Shutting down the cooling systems with software bugs or conventional bombs while simultaneously preventing the shutdown of the nuclear fission process could produce many Chernobyl-like catastrophies assuming the wind was blowing in the right direction. I'm not sure how Russia stores its waste materials from nuclear power plants but if done like in the US with onsite storage tanks, these tanks or whatever could also be a target of conventional explosives. And all this could be done without the use of military assets but the use of spies or funded terrorists. Then again, the US has about 100 nuclear power plants and what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
Other disruptions to life in either country could involve the shutdown of their respective electric energy grids. We all have heard how fragile the US power grid is and I assume the same for that in Russia.
who cares? Is Russia going to do this and ensure that their citizens andleaders die a long, painful death as the earth heads into a multi-century nuclear winter? No. Is the US? No. Nuclear warfare is so 20th century. This kind of rhetoric is for drunks, coke heads and no-reality, ant-science nutcases like Ted Nugent Curtis LeMay and Sara Palin. So really who gives a fuck that these words were spoken by anyone anywhere? ANSWER- NO ONE.
There are nutcases everywhere ... so what ...
Here in Canada we have them too. For example, this is a Canadian member of parliament who said military action may be needed against Russia.
But when you know Anders' views, you will not be surprised. He is a Conservative MP, who voted against granting Mandela honorary citizenship, calling him a communist and terrorist.
Here are the rest of his extreme views.
So, one news anchor spewing nonsense is not surprising.
What matters is not letting these type of pro-escalation voices drown out a more level headed reasonable approach ...
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India, France, UK and China also stand an excellent chance of turning the US into radioactive ash. Does not take much... bragging about capabilities having existed long before most of us were born seems kind of lame.
All these new useless users make me sick.
Pot, kettle, 1275164.
Cue the low UID battle!
Chuuch. Preach. Tabernacle.
Nobody won the cold war. When wise men say nobody wins a war, they are correct. The USSR just imploded 1st, we don't win because we imploded last. 2020-2025 is probably the time when people consider the USA's downfall.
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We all know that Putin's goal is an Eurasian-Union on the territory of the former USSR. The two main trigger of this goal are the continuous expansion of NATO in Europe and the declining power of Russia, which he thinks must be compensated. The NATO did a lot of frightening moves in recent years, like installing an anti-missile shield in eastern Europe, the entry of the former Baltic state into the NATO, destabilization of Russian partners in Europe. And finally Baroso topped it by forcing the Ukraine to decide either be with Russia or with the EU. All these moves are aggressive towards Russia. And since the West fucked up in Kosovo with "let the people decide where we want to belong to" Putin had the easy opportunity to do the same on Crimea. Now the situation is highly volatile. And some people in the USA and the EU think. Maybe war is also an option. The Russian are therefore sending a reminder message: We have really many nuclear warheads and can remove you from the face of the earth. To solve this crisis we should stop kicking Russia. Yes, the Ukrainian people should be protected, but remember the present government in the Ukraine includes fascists (e.g., Oleh Tyahnybok, Svoboda Party) and oligarchs (Yulia Tymoshenko) which have no interest in a pluralistic democratic Ukraine, just like Yanukovych.
This is not what the Maidan demonstrators wanted.
A solution can only be found with Russia. And a useful solution would include a neutral position of the Ukraine where Russia and the EU are both partners of the country. Then the TV comments will also become more civilized.
Ever turned on Fox news?
But what does Rush Limbaugh say about it?
America's quite capable of turning herself into radioactive ash thankyouverymuch . . . it depends on whether those who entered the launch co-ordinates can tell Moscow, Russia from Moscow, Idaho.
Couldnt Russia just buy Crimea? We bought Alaska the same way? Sewards Folly!
If you're looking for some insight on what's going on in the Ukraine from people who aren't insane warmongers, you might start here: Chris Bertram on who to read, what to believe.
this makes nerds aware, that in the forthcoming months their electronic hardware may experience several EMPs followed by long-lasting black-out.
And if your computer cave is not that deep, nerd should also consider he may ceise to exist.
This is news for nerds by all means.
It can't take care of its people. It's army is a shambles.
But it does have nuclear weapons. Just like Pakistan.
Whoop-de-do!
> Russia Could Turn US To "Radioactive Ash".
Yes, and so could Israel.
The difference is that Russia admits that it has nuclear arsenal.
Looks like vitriolic parochial media pundits with narrow world-views, fostering nationalistic agendas, are no longer solely a US phenomenon.
Some days it's just not worth
chewing through my restraints.
And would China, that unexpectedly did not support Russia in UN this time, intervene?
And if it is a war, it won't be just US, it would be a joint EU + USA and (likely Canada, Australia, Japan too) vs Russia.
China has no interest whatsoever in supporting Putin and needs countries to export goods to.
As an American, I say bring it on. I'm not gung ho or anything, I just hate this country and would like to see it burn as would many Americans in this day and age. I'd much rather prefer a nuclear wasteland than this administration and federal government :-) Does that mean I'm crazy or a terrorist? No.
Yes. Yes, it clearly does mean you are crazy. You would rather see this country burn to ashes than deal with the federal government.
And invading neighbors is relaxing indeed.
This time, unlike 2008 when downplaying it and getting back to business as usual was as easy as setting up Tagliavini commission, it's a breach of treaty from 1997, where US, UK, AND RUSSIA stated they'd respect AND DEFEND Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity. That was the reason Ukrain said no to nuclear weapons (which it has plenty, along with the rockets).
Now ponder how well did Chamberlain style negotiation worked with Hitler's depressed Germany.
Putin also got 100% of votes in some russian elections. That implies not only that he got ALL the opposition votes, but also from the people outside the country, the recently deceased, and that not a single person filled the ballot wrong.
Why can't I get news with comments on the stance the target has on homosecuality? It really doesn't have anything to do with either his veracity or intentions.
Naw. Hole up in Australia and pile up armies until you piss off the last other player into quitting out of impatience.
Everyone knows Russia has nuclear weapons. They have a ton. They could blow up the world. So could the United States. That's really irrelevant. Nobody is crazy enough to use them.
What needs to happen is Ukraine needs to ask for EU assistance, and the EU needs to come together on this. If they don't recognize the Russian threat and push back, Vladimir Putin is going to keep chomping up the small fries. Russia is dangerous, but not nearly as dangerous as the Soviet Union was. If the EU moved forces into Ukraine along their Eastern border, Russia would be contained. It would need to be a sizable EU force, and strictly an EU force. No direct US participation on this one, unless it got bloody (which it wouldn't).
By staying out of it, the US could play the role of mediator and the crisis would likely be resolved peacefully. The US and EU both just need to have a backbone when dealing with Vladimir Putin. The man is a tough-guy wannabe.
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For Russia, China or the USA. Economic sanctions imposed on any one of these countries would damage the others. A real land and sea war would soon show just how little extra oil we have to throw around and would use up the remaining cheap, high net energy oil faster. Rising oil prices would again, severely all three economies. If the war continued long enough, this would be a permanent condition.
So, "yay!" to the oil crisis and monetary interdependence. We probably won't have a big shooting war again - just a few minor proxy wars here and there in Asia, Pakistan, Afghanistan and the Middle East. Of course, this is a definite "Not Yay!" if you happen to live in one of these places.
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...and the comment was certainly ill-advised, but the FACT is - if we're just counting the number of warheads, and the capability - he's pretty much right. They're the only country that could turn the US to ash. (shrug)
We're the only country that could do it to them, too.
That used to be what 'superpower' meant, before Russia turned into a great big Thugocracy. Well, they always sorta were, weren't they? Russia is Russian. I'm not sure what Pollyanna's thought that by changing flags, their essential nature was going to change? It didn't from despotic Monarchism to Socialism. Why should it change from Socialism to Oligarchy?
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What he said is that US would end up glassed
>IF US ATTACKSwhere needed emphasis of the news anchor"
Slashdot has gotten so soft, so much like reddit and other useless sites.
Can you explain to me why Reddit is a useless site? The site has thousands of different subreddits that you can customize to your tastes. Don't like /r/WTF? Unsubscribe. You enjoy discussions on movies? Subscribe to /r/movies. Its literally two clicks to do either. On top of that you can find knowledgeable people in specific subreddits. I had an old artillery shell that I wanted identified and I went to /r/military and within an hour someone had posted a link to exactly what I had. Reddit is light years ahead of where Slashdot is now.
Slashdot has gotten so soft
Slashdot is out of date. When it was first came out it had a new model no one was using but when everyone started to change and new sites started to come up Slashdot stuck to its old ways and has slowly been dying since.
... then they would build a significant russian minority in the west. Followed by a complaint that they're being treated badly, and therefore mother russia needs to take over the land where they live . . .
Even if we did not fire a single shot; the environmental impact of enough nuclear detonations to destroy the US would erode away the ozone layer, darken the globe with ash and flood the atmosphere with radioactive dust. This would starve or poison most plant life, the temperatures would drops below freezing right to the equator, clouds of radioactive dust would sweep across the whole northern hemisphere, and as the ash cleared UV radiation would bathe the world in deadly rays. The Russians would wish they were lucky enought to be in the US were they would have died quickly as they freeze, starve, rot, then burn and finally die a slow lingering death.
You M.A.D. bro?
You M.A.D.bro?
So what we have now, is the equivalent of Joseph McCarthy in the presidents office in the white house, and Rush Limbaugh the only one allowed to broadcast with FoxNews the official spokesfolk. Not good. Several points: those who fail to appreciate and read history are bound to repeat it. Communism and the 'gangsta government' of the Soviet Union failed because it only allowed those at the top to succeed, and having the Chicago branch of La Casa Nostra in government means most people have taxes 'taken from them', you aren't allowed to speak against the government when they do or you are killed, and when you work hard to get ahead, they take everything extra that you did, leaving you little incentive to get ahead. That it failed once would have been some kind of indicator. But not in Soviet Russia, 'lets try the failed experiment again'. And so now we have 'Soviet 2.0'. With all the bullshit and crap spewing forth. One news source, heavily controlled, brainwashing people. You would think that all of the ex-soviet states wanting a more western style of government would be a clue, but nope! In Moscow they are in full blown 'Soviet 2.0' mode, and have been since Putin stole 20% of Georgia in 2002. Oh, and for the radioactive dust part... there are about 100 other countries besides the US that want to turn Russia into radioactive dust. Being an ass-hole country means nobody likes you. People bash the US, but they really have more friends than Russia. Here's a hint: Population of US: 330 million. Population of Russia: 143 million. Population of planet less USA and Russia: 6.5 Billion. Take your best sucker punch, and make it a good one, because what happens after that might not be pretty. Rat Bastard Komrad(tm).
Hey you kids, get off my lawn!
And then there is Putin’s threat to use Ukrainian women and children as human shields when he invades Ukraine
Because for some people, the only sufficient amount of power is ALL of the power.
Ronald Reagan waged economic warfare on the Soviet Union. I think that dog might hunt again, what with all the money Russia is spending on its military right now, and maybe trying to digest the Ukraine which I think could be expensive.
In theory, theory and practice are the same; in practice they're different. (Yogi Berra & A. Einstein)
Ahhhh the 1980's ... a great time with a fantastic economy and an actual U.S. President.
Of course, there WERE liberal idiots insisting everything was America's fault and that the Russian bear was really nice and peaceful (as it gobbled-up other countries and gunned-down people who tried to escape...) - people like Vladimir Posner who was regularly on American TV (often with Phil Donahue) painting Russia as a harmless and wonderful place. Nobody told the American people at the time, however, that Vladimir Posner was the son of Vladimir Pozner who during WWII was a soviet spy within the U.S. Government (one of the ACTUAL communists within the U.S. Government that set-off "tail gunner Joe" McCarthy...)
Amazingly, MSNBC put ol' Vlad on American TV again (and again without telling the viewers the truth about him) during the recent winter Olymic games.
I too lived through the 1980's and they were FANTASTIC compared to the era of modern progressives. When Bush41 took the baton from Reagan in 1988 he handed the GOP back to the "establishment" and, aided by Democrats in congress, drove-up taxes drove down the military and created a recession. Clinton took over from Bush and turned the outsourcing-of-America (which the investor class drove under Bush41 under the banner of "The Cold War is Over!") into high-gear as he and his wife took campaign cash from communist China and reduced all the barriers to the export of US tech and manufacturing. Then Bush43 took over from the Clintons and brought back into the whitehouse all the "establishment" Republicans of his father's administration (beacuse nothing makes your old man's reputation look better than screwing-up worse than him...) and then we handed the country over to the sorryiest triad of losers in history: The vacuous and bug-eyed Nancy Pelosi, the flea-weight boxer and generally-decaying corpse Harry-the-slanderer Reid, and Barack Hussein Spikoli of "Choom-Gang" fame. The nation is now 17+TRILLION dollars in debt, our military is shrinking at an alarming rate (while Russia is re-arming and returning to its old nation-gobbling habits, China is arming, more countries are going nuclear, etc). Our young people are being encouraged to deep into debt getting degrees that many will not be able to use because our employers are being told to outsource their jobs (government policies that punish employment are, effectively, orders to business to outsource). Americans now are paying more for energy (of all types) than ever before and subject to more laws and regulations than ever before. It now takes more time to start a business in the US than it does in Communist China, .......... BUT ....... YOU prefer today over the 80's????????? If you are a young person (highschool or college-age) in the US, and IF you have not been mislead by a cartoon-image portrayal of the 1980's the left has been shovelling, then you'd probably prefer the future the Reagan era offered over the future the Obama era is offering. The combined effects of the investor-class supported Bush and Clinton families (Republicrats? Democans?) capped-off by the current clueless incompetent and inexperienced Obama has had negative effects that will ripple for decades.
On the off-chance you were only referrring to military risks and were one of those simple-minded people who was terrified the US might start a nuclear war in the 80's (lefties never worried that the Soviets would start it), let me point out something to you: In the 1980's only two nations on Earth had huge nuclear aresenals (the Soviets and the Americans) and both had more-or-less sane leaders with plenty of reasons NOT to want such a war. While many writers have had fun writing lots of "oooh, ahhh, LOOK how CLOSE we came to nuclear WAR!" articles, the FACT is that we never did it. There were very serious people on both sides who were very serious about deterrence, and the capability was certainly there, but rational thought ruled. I was in uniform at the time and, contrary to so many
that so many who hate Palin (and made fun of her at the time when she predicted this) now say she was just a broken clock and that "anybody" could've seen it coming...
Given that she DID and her critics DID NOT, at least she's a "better" broken clock than her critics...
Funny that after it happened, her response was a cheerful and folksy "Who coulda seen that comin?" (with the trade-marked smile and wink)
My first question to any Palin-hater going forward is "did YOU predict in 2008 that Putin would re-take the Crimea?" and if they cannot prove they did then I point out that they are apparently dumber-than Palin. (it's the sort of logic they've used for years to trash her, and make "jokes" about raping her under-age daughter, and "jokes" about deficating into her mouth, etc)
the markets. It's a mistake to see them as much more (though politicians of all stripes like to).
If somebody were to announce (as a serious thing rather than a prank) a way to make trillions of dollars cleaning-up the aftermath of such a war and launch a company to do it and others had serious businesses equipped to survive such a war and protect customers (and investors) through such a war, those stocks would rise any time the fears of such a war rose. The markets make no moral choices. The markets do not ACTUALLY predict the future. The markets do not prove the state of the current economy (they are a gamble on the future economy).
Understand each and every thing for what it is, no more, and no less.
Sarah Palin: "Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke."
I hope I didn't brain my damage.
Maybe we can convince Putin to level some of our blighted cites so we can rebuild them. Like Detroit. And SFO.
If you were me, you'd be good lookin'. - six string samurai
If the US didn't fire a single nuke in return, Russians (and everybody else in the world!) would die slow painful deaths from the radioactive fallout.
I mean it runs on serves in US now so it would be affected or?
I think I saw that episode: "You will be responsible for an escalation that will destroy everything. Millions of people horribly killed. Complete destruction of our culture here and yes, the culture on Vendikar. Disaster, disease, starvation, horrible, lingering death, pain and anguish!"
"At a huge cost to Americans". Does inflation 'cost' anything? It erodes the value of money, but it also erodes the value of debt. 23% Inflation is lousy if you have a lot of money saved up, but it is great if you just took on a huge fixed rate loan. While inflation could create short term money flow chaos, it doesn't really affect the intrinsic value of production. I would say that the problem would be a predictable system changing faster than people are used to.
Russia or China couldn't create that much chaos by cashing in all at once. Likely there would be a slight dip in the value of the dollar, and then everyone else in the world would swoop in an buy it all up at a bargain price to make a killing after the dollar stabilized.
Aside: good to know that the US doesn't have a monopoly on blowhard nationalist idiots like Limbaugh.
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If China and Russia would sell off their dollars it would make USD much cheaper. This would make imported goods more expensive but at the same time it would also provide a huge boost to the economy because everyone would try to use these cheap USD to buy goods from the USD. But if everyone is trying to buy goods from the US using cheap USDs, prices and thus the value of the USD would increase because of supply and demand. Supply of US-manufactured goods does not magically increase just because Russia and China throw throw loads of USDs into the market.
Jan
Go ahead guys, launch every nuke you've got. Or look up "balance of power" or "stalemate" or "mutually assured destruction" and shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down.
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> I don't even know why dictators like Putin do this, ...
Because, as la Rochefoucauld observed several hundred years ago, "hypocrisy is the homage which vice renders to virtue."
Yes because cooking news and news about nuclear war threats are in the same bloody ball park. All these useless "Slashdot is only for tech news" users make me sick.
America and the European Union will impose their economic sanctions and Putin will laugh and do whatever he wants. Once all the economic sanctions are imposed Putin will probably make a grab for the Eastern Ukraine which has a sizable Russian population and the Ukrainians won't be able to stop them since they are no match militarily against Russia. The U.S. and the European Union will huff and puff and stomp their feet and chastise Russia again but they will do nothing to stop the land grab. Economic sanctions are little better than doing nothing.
I don't think we need to worry about WWIII happening anytime soon with the gutless wonders in charge in Western countries because they will not put up much of a fight if any to stop Russia.
.. before declaring someone a fascist. Today's Russia matches a definition of fascist state perfectly.
Sigh, I'm getting to old for that...
You speak from a point of view that it's all between the West and the Russia (it's Ukraine, not the Ukraine, stupid). Like those countries and their people that joined NATO didn't have any opinion and choice of their own.
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Because they can defend from any attack and maybe put a blow to the Department of Defense, who basically is running our government into the ground, using the American people as slaves for psychotronic weapon genocide.
Russia might be one of the other countries that can compete with the United States mind control weapons, too. For psychic / electronic warfare. I hope. :D
Americans directed-energy and psychotronic weapons system details, deployed in satellites and radar (nationally? yes. globally? probably.) http://www.oregonstatehospital...
Global American radar weapons systems with brain and body scanning/targeting ability. Directing energy at people to tear them the fuck up under a system with automatic targeting. In the advent of a true modern war, literally entire Army's can be shredded automatically with these systems, and human instinct attacks to kill off entire populations without nuclear warfare are reality and in deployment today. NSA/DOD DEW systems standing by, waiting for kill command, locking on to all Americans brains ..
"..so much like reddit.."
If you think reddit s 'soft', you don't really even understand it.
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So we have had cooking on /. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
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It does sound like sour grapes. Let's say for the sake of argument that you are 100% correct (you do seem to like percentages). Romney was rejected based upon his entire platform. In fact foreign affairs was a pretty small part of the election.
And for a lot of kooks, and you sound pretty kooky, the only possible response to Putin/Ukraine/Crimea, is to return reflexively to Cold War era tactics. Here's a thought: Let's Not Do That.
In fact Putin et al. are playing that game. That's why we should not. They love that stuff and have been doing it their whole lives. Never start mud slinging with a pig, you won't like the outcome.
We should let Crimea go. There, I said it. Lots of Crimeans seem to want that, totally aside from the Russians. They may decide, in 20-30 years time, that was a big mistake. Their problem, either way. The election seems forced and coercive, with all the military and militarism going on. That's water under the bridge now and nothing we can do about it. Well, unless you are willing to go down the "nuke them to ash" drum beating.
In the meantime we express our displeasure by imposing sanctions. We extoll the benefits of freedom, democracy, rule of law, and trade under friendly terms. We act like adults and only roll out the hammer when it's really needed to defend ourselves. Have we learned nothing from Iraq and Iran?
The "Use Force Now" crowd are playing a dangerous game and I don't like it. We ended the Cold War and it needs to stay dead. The fact that the militarists on our side seem to be playing partisan politics only adds to my distaste for that approach. It's not the only reason to reject it.
you first.
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The U.S. is not a single target. The nuclear strike capabilities of the U.S. are scattered all over Europe and major oceans (roaming submarines). There is also a good likelihood that Canada, France and the UK will strike Russia anticipating that they could be next.
The United States is definitely capable of turning itself into radioactive ash.
I realize I'm probably just jumping for the flame-bait with this, but homophobe literally translates to "afraid of homosexuals." Maybe I'm pissing in the wind by saying this, but just because people disapprove of homosexual behavior DOESN'T mean that they're "afraid of homosexuals." If people want sane discourse, they need to stop describing their opposition with offensive terms. I'm not a homophobe and I won't describe others with deragotory(sp?) language.
France could do the same as Russia, as could China and the UK.
Then the US could turn around and do the same to all four of them, plus a few left over for North Korea and Iran.
This capability of nothing to be proud of.
I am very small, utmostly microscopic.
I would love to shove this idiot's head into my toilet this morning and whoever it was who provoked him to make such a hateful threat toward all Americans, regardless of those who seemingly pretend to represent us and who are making decisions that are not in our nation's best interest and certain media outlets who seem more than happy to pick any fight that someone other than themselves or their sons and daughters would have to fight and sacrifice blood and love for. You got passion? You don't know what the word means.
When we have more cities underground than we have above.
When we have enough room for all Americans you will talk on line of shit to much
I mean hell we been digging 24/7 sense the 50's and these new boring machines have made it a cinch.
A whole discussion thread on Slashdot about Russia regressing to its Soviet roots, and not a single Soviet Russia joke. Pathetic.
Russia is not the only one that could turn US into dust. Any nuclear power could do the same: UK, France and China all have nuclear heads and the capability to send them anywhere. Destroying is easy, after all.
But nobody could turn the US into dust without being destroyed too within minutes, hence nobody would even seriously think about doing it. This is just bragging for the medias.
"turning the United States into radioactive ash"
Now THERE's something you'd be proud to tell your grandchildren about!
Oh, wait...
Dmitry Kiselyov can kiselyov my A$$
Please have respect for people with different abilities, especially children.
America is already tanked and tanking. Russia is thriving by comparison. that $225 billion might just be the catalyst to finally convince the last deluded few in the market that the US treasury is finished.
I don't see Australia either and they are big agri exporters as are NZ. Your map sucks. That website looks cheap and void. Your deluded position that the US has any remaining credibility also sucks.
Sigh, I'm getting to old for that...
Said the newb.
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
Can we put this guy on TV with Donald Trump and Fox News? Having TV personalities and politicians battle to the death would be WAY more efficient than threatening wars!
Putin would totally rule over the pudgy American politicians in the ring. But after throwing enough FOX news inflated egos at him the sheer mass would overwealm him.
This would be much better, and more entertaining, than threatening economic or actual wars!
First off, to all those who thing that the markets are rational - study a little economic theory and practice. They are far from rational.
Second, Russia (Putin) is willing to cut off his nose to spite his face (ie: sell off all dollars and bonds). If he thinks it will get him what he wants. If you think otherwise, you are sadly mistaken.
Third, a couple of years back Putin ordered all oligarchs and similar to get rid of their dollars and unwind western investments. If anyone lost money or loses money from economic sanctions, Putin will just shrug his shoulders, he warned them, Putin plays the long game, never forget that.
Fourth, do not think Putin is stupid. Megalomaniac perhaps, but certainly not stupid. He knows exactly what he is doing. He might misjudge things, make a mistake somewhere, but you can be sure he has carefully laid his plans and has been doing so for a long time.
Fifth, Russia, Iran and China are having talks about moving to a new petro-Rouble as the currency of trade (for oil/gas) in order to move away from the dollar. Russia wants to get away from the dollar, just like many countries would like to, but simply cannot afford to or simply wouldn't find trade partners for an alternate currency. If this happens, it could have a major impact on the dollar worldwide (yes, could also be negative effects for Russia and China, but see my second point).
Sixth, those who are saying if X (eg: Russia sells off dollars) happens then Y (eg: will be good for US) do not understand if it was that simple, then why wouldn't the US already do those things? And why are those people not multi-millionaires themselves if they understand how well the financial markets works? Perhaps because those who control the US economy do not want that to happen, either for their own nefarious reasons or because it would be bad for the US economy.
I'm not saying I know what will happen either. I'm as much in the dark as most people. I'm just a westerner who lives in Russia so i understand the people on both sides and get to see and read both sides' propaganda. Personally i think both sides are being idiots and the people on all sides are being badly manipulated and used by those with vested interests (hey ho, well, that's usual anyway).
A lot of comments here don't seem to grasp that a sensationalist celebrity making such comments is not the same as the government of Russia doing so.
How many similar celebrities exist on television, radio or online in the US? Do you also confuse their comments with government announcements?
Rest assured some other people have a very serious say before Mr Putin order the firing of a nuclear weapon. He would have to talk quite a few Generals and Admirals into agreement.
And if they come to the conclusion of mental issues, they will simply take nuclear authority from him. Or have him sedated by their Health Inspector General.
It's funny to see how to we treat other nations when they act just like we do. This guy is Bill Oreilly from another mother and our government is going to pander to this sensational BS.
Yeah, and we could do the same to them.
Woohoo...we've had our testosterone thrill for the day.
Get over it and yourselves.
When Russia was an amazing place to live...
And when the US was a paradise of economic prosperity and technological achievement...
It's really too bad nobody follows the money, that curtain hides some fascinating inner-workings.
Ditto. Dude. Ditto.
This thread seems to focus on nuclear bombs as a destructive weapon but a nuclear nightmare can be created using conventional weapons
Or a little Po 210.
Watch Threads, everyone please. It is about nuclear war, and it packs huge emotional punch in way that very few do.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090163/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AUYCnzmDJY
I think the best plan is to let Crimea do what the people living there want to do. if 90% want to be Russia why fight it. However with worry about Russia invading Ukraine I would immediately admit Ukraine to NATO. If Putin wants to take on all of Europe and USA so be it. Trouble is Putin and the rest of world knows what a "pussy" we americans have for president
There was a FASCIST COUP in Kiev. The Nazi Thugs are in Power. This is just a beginning. Lithuania and Latvia will be the next.
Ukrainians are very well familiar with Nazi regime in WWII.
They greeted invading German Army with flowers, as Liberators.
They hugged and kissed them.
They loved them.
They supported them.
There were many units in german army consisting just of ukrainians.
They They collaborated with Nazis in EVERYTHING, especially in MASS MURDERS of Jews and Russian.
So, Obama wants to support this Fascist Regime in Kiev ?
Then it clearly shows Obama's intentions of supporting Kiev as a "stronghold" against Russia ???
What it TELLS Putin ?
That US wants to start a new cold war.
So Putin should and must answer Obama accordingly to Obama's capability of understanding a Proper Language.
It would be very wise, if Putin takes Ukraine to the Intern. Court of Justice, for their vicious CRIMES against Humanity in WWII.
Ukrainians are as much responsible for Germany's crimes as Germany itself.
Ukrainians have a very long history of murders, spending hundreds of years. These were the thugs of Khmelnitski, Makhno, Bendera and many others.
You're certainly have no idea what you're saying. You have not a slightest idea WHO are ukrainians.
And you have no idea about the WWII, the real WWII. Not WWII that american media tells you. American media has turned WWII into 'their" WWII, lying to americans that the Real WWII was where US army conveniently was stationed, The Pacific. Pacific was a mickey-mouse "war". The idiotic mini-battles there had no impact on the outcome of WWII in Europe, in Russia.
And americans believe in these lies. For you like for most of americans, WWII was in Pacific. You were born with this lie.
But maybe you know more than I think. I hope so. But then you don't know what you need to know.
Because if you knew what was exactly happening in WWII in East Front in Europe, you would know what was happening in Ukraine.
You can google, you can check on wikipedia...what did ukrainians during WWII.
There were hundreds of GANGS fighting together with nazis against Russian Army.
These are the same Thugs controlling Ukraine today.
These are grandchildren and children of Ukrainian Nazis in WWII.
Or is Putin going to lock everyone inside Russia?
For the last time: Slashdot is not a technology news website. It is a news site for nerds. There is a difference.
I'll hold you to that promise!
As if you have any right to talk....
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