My thoughts exactly. I want the windows to wiggle, and the desktops to rotate...and all I get is crummy blurry glass borders and a cheesy window flipper. Sheesh.
There also seems to lack mature features for installing 3rd party content. This might not be much of a problem for really basic desktop user, but for a standard Linux users not being able to install and run tar-balls is a real problem (ubuntu doesn't even include/usr/local to PATH!), and they have obscured everything but/home and/mnt in the file-browsers, making it hard to access your webpage in/var/www, your source code in/src and your optional packages in/opt !!
I don't know what you're talking about, perhaps it's a KDE thing like a poster above said. Because I'm running Ubuntu with GNOME, and my/var,/src, and/opt is one click away: Click places, keep holding, move down to "File System", let go. Wow! Look! Folders for var, src, opt, lib, usr, bin...everything your little heart desires! And if you want to see.gaim in your ~/ folder, hit Ctrl+H - unless that's too challenging. And I've got Beryl set up so I can hit Super+R to get a Run dialog, so I can open _anything_ and it auto/tab completes. In the original gnome setup, it's Alt-F2.
Sorry, but you're just plain wrong.
As far as tarballs, I've been just fine, sudo./configure, sudo make, make install. No problems, and I'm not exactly a linux pro. And the DEB installer is painless, if they're nice enough to give you that.
Weelkes, Allegri that what she was doing was Peri Rimsky-Korsakovering it up was rather stupid in the first place, and it was only a matter of time before people would be Caccini her.
When a program, out of the box, behaves in a different (and unexpected) way from virtually every other map program out there - it's broken. It doesn't matter that you can change it. I don't object to options - I object to ill designed UI's.
Now that is a ridiculous argument.
Because out of the box, the iPhone behaves in a different (and unexpected) way from virtually every other cell phone out there - it's broken.
Because out of the box, the electric light behaves in a different (and unexpected) way from virtually every other light source out there - it's broken.
Because out of the box, the iPod behaved in a different (and unexpected) way from virtually every other mp3 player out there at the time - it's broken.
Because out of the box, the GUI behaved in a different (and unexpected) way from virtually every other user interface out there at the time - it's broken.
Becuase out of the box, [insert any number of innovative and 'different' features here] behaves in a different (and unexpected) way from virtually every other [insert category] out there - it's broken.
Just because something is different, doesn't mean it's wrong or broken. Just because you don't like it, or aren't used to it, doesn't mean it's broken. I don't like how the MacOS works, becuase I used windows for most of my life. That must mean the MacOS interface is broken. There are names for this reasoning, it's called a logicalfallacy.
Now, if you were locked into this interface, I *might* understand your right to complain. But it takes approximately...let me time it...5.99 seconds to change it. And that includes time to operate my stopwatch. Try doing that with the iPod. It'll take a little longer than 6 seconds to swap out the click wheel for some buttons, so that it can be like virtually every other mp3 player out there.
What you think is 'right' often just depends on what you are used to. For example, I am used to World Wind. And I got accustomed to actually feeling like I'm moving a globe around (real globes have inertia, and keep going), so when I went to use Google Earth, it felt very artifical and tacky. I personally think Google Earth is wrong, but that doesn't mean it is wrong. It just means that I am used to something else. It's called preference. I would also argue that a virtual globe isn't something that needs to be able to be positioned precisely, but that is beside my point.
Maybe you should actually read what I wrote - and note that under the discussion of UI I also note performance issues.
Okay, you did mention that World Wind was slowed by the tile rendering, and glacial to start with. I'll give you that. I personally find that World Wind has worked just fine on everything I've tried it on (far from glacial), but I'm sure that depending on the setup it can be slow. I'll admit, the rendering isn't extrememly efficient. It's being worked on, but the developers have day jobs. I'm not offering that as an excuse, because I think that World Wind is something to be very proud of as it stands. It has come from a Blue Marble viewer written as a side project by a single programmer at NASA to what it is today, with a large community base.
If you had raised any stability issues, or described performance issues other than the fact that it seemed to move slower than a large chunk of ice and rock, I may very well have agreed with you. I admit, World Wind isn't perfect. You may want to give Google Earth instead of World Wind to your grandmother.
But World Wind is not crap. It's not the best piece of code ever concieved, either. But it is worth its salt. It is not only a pretty decent virtual globe, but it is really good at what it was meant to be good at - flexibility, extensibility, and most importantly, freedom to use it wherever you want. Since the comparison has already been made, compare
It's using Java+JOGL, so the answer to your question would be JOGL. And no, it's not translated to DX9 on windows, but the.NET version is a better bet in the immediate future on Windows.
The previous poster mentioned this as well, but I'll note it clearly: You can change the default behavior of setting the earth moving by turning off Motion Momentum and/or Planet Inertia in the View menu.
You can also try turning of Point Go-To to see if that's more to your liking.
In World Wind, like a lot of F/OSS apps, you have options. Take the blinders off, and realize that there are other ways of doing things, and some ways might even be, dare I say it, better. But, if you really like the GE control scheme, you can switch the options to make it work more towards that end. I personally find GE very stiff - I like to feel like I'm actually moving a globe. But I can't change that.
It's called choice. Get used to it.
And I notice you throw flashy words like "stability" and "performance" out there, but then just whine about the UI. Perhaps you should actually complain about what you set out to complain about.
But if I want to do something in Windows that requires admin privileges from a non-admin user (which I do on a regular basis as a techie), it's a pain. Maybe I can shift-right click and run as, maybe I can't. And then I have to pick the right box, type in the right account, and hit OK. If I can't shift-right click, then I might be able to find IE to run as admin, and then navigate to where I want to be from there. In Linux, I can just pull up a terminal, "sudo file-roller" (or whatever) and I'm there. Sudo is one of the things that I really miss when I'm in Windows.
A few minutes? More like ten seconds max. And maybe you should consult a dictionary before going after someone's spelling. I'm quite happy to be forced to spell things correctly in school, but I shouldn't be forced to do so on/. unless I want to. I can understand if every other word is misspelled, or random gibberish like "i c u l8r" is thrown in. But not if I spell one lousy word wrong in a lengthy, well-put-together response. Oh, I'm sorry, did you think it was spelled forsed? Or some other mangling of the word used very properly by the OP?
OK, I take the bait.
Because Gates was smart enough to seize his opportunities and get a large userbase initially, and used his business skills to further grow that userbase so that 95% of the world uses it. They use it not because it's better, they use it because it is so big. When a company has that big of a market share, it is obviously very hard for another OS to break into the market. Windows comes on just about every computer you buy (the 4% market share macs have doesn't negate the fact that Windows is on just about every one), it is used by businesses, games are written for it, most applications are written for it - it's an autocatalyzing process. Because most programs are written for it and it comes with most computers, most people use it. Becuase most people use it, applications continue to be written for it, and computers continue to be bundled with it. Windows is the default OS of the world due to this, and OSes like Linux have to be chosen.
If Linux and MacOS (and BSD, to be fair) are chasing Windows' tail lights, it's only because Windows got a head start and took some shortcuts - not because it is are a better vehicle.
As for the concern with Windows emulation, it is because there is so much written for Windows and relatively little for other OSes. So emulation is a good way to make available a large amount of programs for a proportionately small amount of work. It is not because Windows is better, or the interface is supreme - if that was true, why create the alternate OS in the firs tplace?
Most people who are on Windows are on Windows because that's what their computer came with. Grandma doesn't care what her computer is running, as long as she can get to her e-mail and play solitaire. A lot of the people who actually care about their OS are already on Linux or OS X, so they don't care if they can emulate stuff from Windows. And despite that, there are efforts to emulate Linux/OSX on Windows. QEMU is a multi-platform (on both ends) emulator, Cygwin is an effort to run Linux apps on Windows. There are others as well - they do exist.
In summary, Windows is big because it is big, not because it is good. And it wasn't big originally because it was good, but because there weren't a lot of other options. And Microsoft has carried that market share to the present day. If Windows was really the best OS, its market share would not be decreasing, slipping away to Linux, OSX, and other alternative OSes. People and corporations are realizing that just because everyone is doing it doesn't mean that they have to jump too - they have a choice. Linux is gaining, Mac is gaining, and Windows is...oh wait, declining. That alone is an indication of which is the better OS.
And there are a lot of great benefits to using an OS which isn't owned by a giant corporation looking out for itself first. I run Ubunutu Linux with Beryl, and it's better looking, more functional, I can run a large portion of Windows apps I need (that aren't already linux-native, which doesn't leave many) via Wine or QEMU, and if I absolutely need Windows, I can just reboot into it. Not to mention it's an extra layer of protection (but not a sure one) against baddies out there, so I can connect to wifi with less (but not no) fear. My primary OS is, and will be, Ubuntu. An OS that is there for its users is far more valuable than a popular one that is there for the benefit of its company.
P.S. - It's spelled Linux.
paraphrasing: computer yours, thief's punishment yours. car yours, thief's punishment not yours. Your analogy sucks. Look on my logic, ye coders, and despair! No, your argument sucks.
If lawmakers and such were as ignorant and apathetic about cars as they were about computers, your scenario could well happen. (Although going to jail for life is a little extreme, it would be more equivalent to a bad DUI.)
And this is precisely the problem with the law - lawmakers, relatively ignorant of computers and the internets, treat computers as if they are always under the user's control. Look at the reasoning:
If someone takes control of your computer (presumably because you didn't protect it) and does damage with it, it's your fault.
If someone takes control of your vehicle (presumably because you didn't protect it) and does damage with it, it's not your fault.
Now IANAL, so I'm not sure of what kind of laws there are about responsibility in cars and such. In addition to the ignorance and apathy, another problem is that car thieves leave fingerprints, clips on security cameras, hair, DNA, what-have you. We know how to look for and deal with such evidence. Cops and the legal system aren't experienced with the tracks that computer hackers leave (depending on how careful they are), so they are hard-pressed to track down the criminals. Someone has to pay, so using their (and the general public's) ignorance to their advantage, they just blame the user for leaving their comptuer unsecured.
Wait! You can't say something good about M$, especially not that they (if indirectly) _help_ open source. This is Slashdot!
But seriously, Microsoft does sound pretty good about now.
Previously...
NASA Supervisor: "Look, matey, I know a dead bacteria when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now."
NASA Employee: "No, no, he's restin'! Look, there, it just moved!"
NASA Supervisor: "No it didn't, you bumped the petri dish!"
NASA Employee: "No, I never did anything."
Note: The following comments are legitimate information, designed to help people help themselves. I am not an Acer fanboy (I reserve that for SanDisk), but I like my laptop. YMMV.
Actually, I have an Acer Aspire 1640. It's a nice machine for the $799 I got it for about 6 months ago. And Acer doesn't load a bunch of AOL/WildTangent/EarthLink/etc useless "applications" that are bundled because they can't stand on their own, like certain other manufacturers *cough*Dell*cough*HP*cough*. The few things that were bundled (counted on *maybe* 2 hands) were actually useful.
Once I got to college (where I have access to $10 Win XP Pro discs) I wiped it, reinstalled Windows (gasp!) *and* Ubuntu Linux. Works great, and with 120GB HD, plenty of space for both OS's.
The Windows works great, since it's very light (only Windows-only stuff, everything else is on Ubuntu+Wine).
Hardware support on Linux is pretty decent. After some elbow grease, wireless, ethernet, widescreen, CPU power stepping, Sansa m250, even hardware buttons are working. Sound is the only thing I'm not sure about, output works fine, input seems finicky. I could probably fix it, but I don't care that much yet.
So...I'm not that concerned. Besides, who uses Internet Explorer anyway?
(That was sarcasm. I know the correct answer is "98% of everyone, luser!")
(That was sarcasm too. I know the correct answer is really "No, it's 89%, n00b!!11!!BBQ!! Look at my fancy link!!")
(Other appropriate comments include "I for one welcome our new Acer-invited overlords", "In soviet russia, computers bug Acer!", "I use lynx, you insensitive clod", "Ubuntu sux. [Insert Distro Name Here] is sooo, like, better because [insert unsubtantiated claim here].", etc., ad infinitum.)
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My thoughts exactly. I want the windows to wiggle, and the desktops to rotate...and all I get is crummy blurry glass borders and a cheesy window flipper. Sheesh.
Yeah, but if they cared enough to implement hashing, they'd probably put in the effort to have it recognize all 16 characters in the first place.
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http://cut-to-cure.blogspot.com/2006/03/cant-driv
Direct to video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-53665520
Also note he said "Shipping containers", which imply the bit things on boats. Stuff over ground goes in boxes.
Sorry, but you're just plain wrong.
As far as tarballs, I've been just fine, sudo
Because when I read that headline, I was wondering how computer forensics were being used with Lewis and Clark or the like. Maybe that's just me.
Troll? Obviously the mods have never heard of Lisa Nowak...
You fail at life. Or at least at using the preview button. And yes, I am hitting the Preview button.
Weelkes, Allegri that what she was doing was Peri Rimsky-Korsakovering it up was rather stupid in the first place, and it was only a matter of time before people would be Caccini her.
You must be new here.
When a program, out of the box, behaves in a different (and unexpected) way from virtually every other map program out there - it's broken. It doesn't matter that you can change it. I don't object to options - I object to ill designed UI's.
Now that is a ridiculous argument.
Because out of the box, the iPhone behaves in a different (and unexpected) way from virtually every other cell phone out there - it's broken.
Because out of the box, the electric light behaves in a different (and unexpected) way from virtually every other light source out there - it's broken.
Because out of the box, the iPod behaved in a different (and unexpected) way from virtually every other mp3 player out there at the time - it's broken.
Because out of the box, the GUI behaved in a different (and unexpected) way from virtually every other user interface out there at the time - it's broken.
Becuase out of the box, [insert any number of innovative and 'different' features here] behaves in a different (and unexpected) way from virtually every other [insert category] out there - it's broken.
Just because something is different, doesn't mean it's wrong or broken. Just because you don't like it, or aren't used to it, doesn't mean it's broken. I don't like how the MacOS works, becuase I used windows for most of my life. That must mean the MacOS interface is broken. There are names for this reasoning, it's called a logical fallacy.
Now, if you were locked into this interface, I *might* understand your right to complain. But it takes approximately...let me time it...5.99 seconds to change it. And that includes time to operate my stopwatch. Try doing that with the iPod. It'll take a little longer than 6 seconds to swap out the click wheel for some buttons, so that it can be like virtually every other mp3 player out there.
What you think is 'right' often just depends on what you are used to. For example, I am used to World Wind. And I got accustomed to actually feeling like I'm moving a globe around (real globes have inertia, and keep going), so when I went to use Google Earth, it felt very artifical and tacky. I personally think Google Earth is wrong, but that doesn't mean it is wrong. It just means that I am used to something else. It's called preference. I would also argue that a virtual globe isn't something that needs to be able to be positioned precisely, but that is beside my point.
Maybe you should actually read what I wrote - and note that under the discussion of UI I also note performance issues.
Okay, you did mention that World Wind was slowed by the tile rendering, and glacial to start with. I'll give you that. I personally find that World Wind has worked just fine on everything I've tried it on (far from glacial), but I'm sure that depending on the setup it can be slow. I'll admit, the rendering isn't extrememly efficient. It's being worked on, but the developers have day jobs. I'm not offering that as an excuse, because I think that World Wind is something to be very proud of as it stands. It has come from a Blue Marble viewer written as a side project by a single programmer at NASA to what it is today, with a large community base.
If you had raised any stability issues, or described performance issues other than the fact that it seemed to move slower than a large chunk of ice and rock, I may very well have agreed with you. I admit, World Wind isn't perfect. You may want to give Google Earth instead of World Wind to your grandmother.
But World Wind is not crap. It's not the best piece of code ever concieved, either. But it is worth its salt. It is not only a pretty decent virtual globe, but it is really good at what it was meant to be good at - flexibility, extensibility, and most importantly, freedom to use it wherever you want. Since the comparison has already been made, compare
It's using Java+JOGL, so the answer to your question would be JOGL. And no, it's not translated to DX9 on windows, but the .NET version is a better bet in the immediate future on Windows.
The previous poster mentioned this as well, but I'll note it clearly: You can change the default behavior of setting the earth moving by turning off Motion Momentum and/or Planet Inertia in the View menu.
You can also try turning of Point Go-To to see if that's more to your liking.
In World Wind, like a lot of F/OSS apps, you have options. Take the blinders off, and realize that there are other ways of doing things, and some ways might even be, dare I say it, better. But, if you really like the GE control scheme, you can switch the options to make it work more towards that end. I personally find GE very stiff - I like to feel like I'm actually moving a globe. But I can't change that.
It's called choice. Get used to it.
And I notice you throw flashy words like "stability" and "performance" out there, but then just whine about the UI. Perhaps you should actually complain about what you set out to complain about.
But if I want to do something in Windows that requires admin privileges from a non-admin user (which I do on a regular basis as a techie), it's a pain. Maybe I can shift-right click and run as, maybe I can't. And then I have to pick the right box, type in the right account, and hit OK. If I can't shift-right click, then I might be able to find IE to run as admin, and then navigate to where I want to be from there. In Linux, I can just pull up a terminal, "sudo file-roller" (or whatever) and I'm there. Sudo is one of the things that I really miss when I'm in Windows.
Did you hear that woosh?
A few minutes? More like ten seconds max. And maybe you should consult a dictionary before going after someone's spelling. I'm quite happy to be forced to spell things correctly in school, but I shouldn't be forced to do so on /. unless I want to. I can understand if every other word is misspelled, or random gibberish like "i c u l8r" is thrown in. But not if I spell one lousy word wrong in a lengthy, well-put-together response. Oh, I'm sorry, did you think it was spelled forsed ? Or some other mangling of the word used very properly by the OP?
Works fine for me - you do have the correct Service Pack one, right? There's different ones for SP1 and SP2.
OK, I take the bait.
Because Gates was smart enough to seize his opportunities and get a large userbase initially, and used his business skills to further grow that userbase so that 95% of the world uses it. They use it not because it's better, they use it because it is so big. When a company has that big of a market share, it is obviously very hard for another OS to break into the market. Windows comes on just about every computer you buy (the 4% market share macs have doesn't negate the fact that Windows is on just about every one), it is used by businesses, games are written for it, most applications are written for it - it's an autocatalyzing process. Because most programs are written for it and it comes with most computers, most people use it. Becuase most people use it, applications continue to be written for it, and computers continue to be bundled with it. Windows is the default OS of the world due to this, and OSes like Linux have to be chosen.
If Linux and MacOS (and BSD, to be fair) are chasing Windows' tail lights, it's only because Windows got a head start and took some shortcuts - not because it is are a better vehicle.
As for the concern with Windows emulation, it is because there is so much written for Windows and relatively little for other OSes. So emulation is a good way to make available a large amount of programs for a proportionately small amount of work. It is not because Windows is better, or the interface is supreme - if that was true, why create the alternate OS in the firs tplace?
Most people who are on Windows are on Windows because that's what their computer came with. Grandma doesn't care what her computer is running, as long as she can get to her e-mail and play solitaire. A lot of the people who actually care about their OS are already on Linux or OS X, so they don't care if they can emulate stuff from Windows. And despite that, there are efforts to emulate Linux/OSX on Windows. QEMU is a multi-platform (on both ends) emulator, Cygwin is an effort to run Linux apps on Windows. There are others as well - they do exist.
In summary, Windows is big because it is big, not because it is good. And it wasn't big originally because it was good, but because there weren't a lot of other options. And Microsoft has carried that market share to the present day. If Windows was really the best OS, its market share would not be decreasing, slipping away to Linux, OSX, and other alternative OSes. People and corporations are realizing that just because everyone is doing it doesn't mean that they have to jump too - they have a choice. Linux is gaining, Mac is gaining, and Windows is...oh wait, declining. That alone is an indication of which is the better OS.
And there are a lot of great benefits to using an OS which isn't owned by a giant corporation looking out for itself first. I run Ubunutu Linux with Beryl, and it's better looking, more functional, I can run a large portion of Windows apps I need (that aren't already linux-native, which doesn't leave many) via Wine or QEMU, and if I absolutely need Windows, I can just reboot into it. Not to mention it's an extra layer of protection (but not a sure one) against baddies out there, so I can connect to wifi with less (but not no) fear. My primary OS is, and will be, Ubuntu. An OS that is there for its users is far more valuable than a popular one that is there for the benefit of its company.
P.S. - It's spelled Linux.
End what?
If lawmakers and such were as ignorant and apathetic about cars as they were about computers, your scenario could well happen. (Although going to jail for life is a little extreme, it would be more equivalent to a bad DUI.)
And this is precisely the problem with the law - lawmakers, relatively ignorant of computers and the internets, treat computers as if they are always under the user's control. Look at the reasoning:
If someone takes control of your computer (presumably because you didn't protect it) and does damage with it, it's your fault.
If someone takes control of your vehicle (presumably because you didn't protect it) and does damage with it, it's not your fault.
Now IANAL, so I'm not sure of what kind of laws there are about responsibility in cars and such. In addition to the ignorance and apathy, another problem is that car thieves leave fingerprints, clips on security cameras, hair, DNA, what-have you. We know how to look for and deal with such evidence. Cops and the legal system aren't experienced with the tracks that computer hackers leave (depending on how careful they are), so they are hard-pressed to track down the criminals. Someone has to pay, so using their (and the general public's) ignorance to their advantage, they just blame the user for leaving their comptuer unsecured.
Just my luck. Now that I've used up all my mod points, I find a post begging for my help on its journey to +5 funny.
Nope. I've just dabbled in it, like I have most languages. The parenthetical statements added to the effect of the tireless standard responses on /.
Wait! You can't say something good about M$, especially not that they (if indirectly) _help_ open source. This is Slashdot! But seriously, Microsoft does sound pretty good about now.
Previously... NASA Supervisor: "Look, matey, I know a dead bacteria when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now." NASA Employee: "No, no, he's restin'! Look, there, it just moved!" NASA Supervisor: "No it didn't, you bumped the petri dish!" NASA Employee: "No, I never did anything."
Note: The following comments are legitimate information, designed to help people help themselves. I am not an Acer fanboy (I reserve that for SanDisk), but I like my laptop. YMMV.
Actually, I have an Acer Aspire 1640. It's a nice machine for the $799 I got it for about 6 months ago. And Acer doesn't load a bunch of AOL/WildTangent/EarthLink/etc useless "applications" that are bundled because they can't stand on their own, like certain other manufacturers *cough*Dell*cough*HP*cough*. The few things that were bundled (counted on *maybe* 2 hands) were actually useful.
Once I got to college (where I have access to $10 Win XP Pro discs) I wiped it, reinstalled Windows (gasp!) *and* Ubuntu Linux. Works great, and with 120GB HD, plenty of space for both OS's. The Windows works great, since it's very light (only Windows-only stuff, everything else is on Ubuntu+Wine).
Hardware support on Linux is pretty decent. After some elbow grease, wireless, ethernet, widescreen, CPU power stepping, Sansa m250, even hardware buttons are working. Sound is the only thing I'm not sure about, output works fine, input seems finicky. I could probably fix it, but I don't care that much yet.
So...I'm not that concerned. Besides, who uses Internet Explorer anyway?
(That was sarcasm. I know the correct answer is "98% of everyone, luser!")
(That was sarcasm too. I know the correct answer is really "No, it's 89%, n00b!!11!!BBQ!! Look at my fancy link!!")
(Other appropriate comments include "I for one welcome our new Acer-invited overlords", "In soviet russia, computers bug Acer!", "I use lynx, you insensitive clod", "Ubuntu sux. [Insert Distro Name Here] is sooo, like, better because [insert unsubtantiated claim here].", etc., ad infinitum.)