Hmm.. if Intel get all of the Alpha design team, then they also get all the compiler designers. That leaves Compaq with none for the Tru64 port to IA-64. So what are they likely to pick?
As Intel have already put a lot of effort into working with the GCC developers on IA-64, one would assume that any new talent they get is going to be focused in the same direction.
The logical move would seem to be for Compaq to use GCC for the Tru64 IA-64 port, which would result in binary compatability (though not library compatability) with Linux IA-64. The library issue could be addressed easy enough, and would make Tru64 a good platform for running Linux apps, while further helping to entrench Linux as the development platform of choice!
But Jo Public isn't aware of the component parts of the system that result in the delivery of a WAP experience. 99% of them probably haven't even heard of GSM. So from their perspective, it's WAP that's slow. And don't forget that we're talking about why WAP is a failed technology in the eyes of the consumer.
And anyway, the "failure" of WAP was clearly not due to poor download speeds
Then what was is it down to?
I have WAP on my phone and must have used it a dozen times only in the last 6 months. It's not the content that's the problem (ok, there isn't much, but what's there is readable) it's the speed. It's so pig slow to get the screen up that you want, and then to navigate, that after a while (and only a couple of articles) this little voice in the back of your head starts nagging about how much this info excursion is costing, for so little return. If it were faster, I'd use it a lot more.
Pointers to text evidence I don't have right now. I've just seen it stated so many times on UK TV News and Documentary programs (like Panorama) that I know it to be a fact.
It wouldn't surprise me to find that most Europeans know this too. Nor would it surprise me to know that most USAnians don't.
And who gives a rats ass about your taxes. We're talking about polution of the air we breath, and destruction of the natural protection this planet has against solar radiation.
Or does a few more dollars in your pocket each month mean more to you than that? You're already the richest country in the world. Don't be so dam greedy!
Unless MS decides that Office revenue is the only thng that matters, not likely. It'a a sad fact that some people have to buy Windows because of Office. Put Office on Linux and they could loose the Corporate market for Windows desktops very quickly.
I can't see them doing that. If they loose the desktop, they loose their leverage on the server market. It's just not going to happen.
No of cause it's not my job. I also know it's Offtopic, and it's the first time I've ever said anything political on/.
But I have to say, it really scratches an itch. I'm genuinely pissed off about Bush's behaviour over world polution. And I'm not alone either. The majority of Europians are not impressed with Bush's pro-polution policies, or the pro Star Wars initiative (but that's another topic entirely).
Well, considering (when compared to you lot) we EUian's burn half as much energy as you do per head of population, produce far less emissions, and actually stick to deals we make to reduce world polution (ever heard of Kyoto!).. I don't see what's at all self-righeous about being me.
Wake up and smell the coffee. Keep putting the needs of your economy first like this, and you'll end up choking on your own success. Unfortunately, so with the rest of us. Thanks very much!!!!!!
Hmm, I just got a home cinema setup installed, with Yamaha amp and all the trimmings. I was thinking how nice it would be to rip all my CD's, plumb a PC into the amp and play them that way.
But a PS2 would be even better. It's small and I could use the TV for the screen. If it was running Linux, I could NFS mount a filesystem served from elsewhere in the house too.
Anyone know what the graphics capabilities of the PS2 are like under Linux? Just wondering what kind of mp3/Ogg Vobis player I would be able to use.
This morning as I looked at my breakfast bowl, in amongst the swirling lines of porridge and milk, I swear I saw an image of Richard Stallman staring right back at me. Scared me half to death!
That must mean that it's possible to calculate (or guestimate) the number of words spoken by one person during his/her lifetime. I wonder how much storage it would take to hold that?
I don't believe that were we to achieve immortality is would result in a Human Race that was any happier than it is today. Death defines life ; and it's the very fact that we have a finite time in this body that gives us the drive to squeeze the most out of it while we still have it. So Death is a very important part of the Human experience and we should accept that.
What is of interest and importance to me is the quality of life and in particular, health, as we get older. I remember seeing a documentary on TV about a treatment given to OAP's derived from embryo research (I don't remember the species or nature of the drug) but the net effect was increased energy, hardening of the bones (curing osteoporosis) and thickening of the skin to levels more common in youth. If science can deliver a way to keep me more alert and 'bouncy' until it's my time to pass on, then I'll be a very happy man in deed.
I don't get this. It's too "sci-fi" for 99% of Jo Public to seriously consider trying and too off the wall. I'd feel incredibly stupid for example sitting on a train or in a park wearing one of these things.
This wearable computing concept is just yet another techno fad that a couple of idealists think they can talk people into wanting. It didn't work with internet "push" technology (another hyped up concept) and I don't see it working here either.
I do 90% of my non-work Internet browsing on a Sony Vaio PCG-C1XD with a 1024x480 size screen. It's just about ok when the browser is at full-screen mode, but banner ads this size would be a disaster for me.
If my workplace is anything to go by, sub notebooks are becoming even more popular. Especially among senior managemenent. So I can't see a shift like this going down well with the PHBs either.
And what about Internet browsing PDA's like Compaq's IPAQ?
I have to say that that is probably one of the best and most well thought out articles of Nick's that I've ever read. I've never used Debian, but I have to agree with the case he puts 100%. apt-get does sound like the answer to a great many of my upgrade headaches.. and I can so relate to the RPM upgrade nightmare scenario he described. I too have been guilty of resorting to --force out of sheer despair.
This clashes quite nicely with Eazel's Nautilus Software Catalogue. To quote their page:
Take the frustration out of downloading and installing software! Eazel Software Catalog is a collection of popular applications and other software. Use Nautilus and the integrated Eazel Installer to download and install software in a single click.
So which one of the two options are the distributions like Redhat going to promote? Or will they add a third choice?
Probably not unless you are creating a very large data center. As nice as hot-swapping sounds in theory, in reality the odds are the operating system will not be able to survive a drive suddenly dying on the bus. FC fairs much better then plain SCSI in this regard, but a drive 'starting to die' will still most likely cause problems. Other potential problems exist as well. The odds of hot-swapable drives completely preventing down time, are not very high.
What a load of rot!
Hot swap drives are invaluable. As JBOD's they're not much cop, but if you then use LVM (or similar) to mirror them ; when one goes down you stay up and running because the other half of your mirror is still intact.
Without hotswap capability, this solution will never see the inside of a datacentre.
Easy answer. Create another Bacteria to eat the first bacteria.. then another bacteria to eat the bacteria eating bacteria, then a bacteria eating bacteria bacteria... and so on:-)
Just imagine what this would do to firms like StoreageTek if true. It will wipe them out. Why spent £0.5M on a Powderhorn solution (~400TB) when you can spend £2000 on 40 credit cards that can hold the same.
I see what you mean. I disagree that bash is executing "read" in a subshell, as "read" is also a bash builtin function. However I think that bash is broken here.
I would have said that the ksh behaviour is the correct one. "read" is a ksh builtin and should not execute in a subshell unless surrounded by either $() or `` and in either case I would expect very strange results from that.
Hmm... I'm looking at this using ksh on a Tru64 Unix box right now.. I'll experiment more on my Linux box when I get home later.
> I'm annoyed by all the people that just whine;
> help out with something god damnit!
Why should we? Quite frankly you deserve a good roasting for taking what should have been an MS killer, then sitting on it and fiddling with the engine; adding bigger wheels, better spoilers, windscreen wipers, go faster stripes and fluffy dice... while MS went tearing off round the race track tweaking as they went.
When you eventually ship V1.0, you'll deliver a product that will be the Open Source equivelant of MS Word. i.e. 10% of the features will be used 90% of the time. But that won't matter, because so many people will have settled on IE, or will be getting by with Konqueror, Gallion, or Opera that Mozilla will make little more than a plop, never mind a splash.
If this all sounds harsh, then it's meant to be, because I'm annoyed, and because I have a right to be. If I'd know it was going to take this long 2 years ago I'd have invested the time to learn C++ and chipped in.. if not to Mozilla, then one of the others. But like everyone else I believed in the dream and now that dream has been dashed! So don't you lecture us because we're pissed. It's your own fault for not having the clarity of vision and the discipline to get the job done without throwing the kitchen sink at it.
Good isn't it. Just as virtually every other app on the Linux desktop is converging onto either the KDE or GNOME widget sets, Mozilla intoduces a new proprietary way to do things, totally seperate to anything else.
Now that's what I call forward thinking (NOT).
Hopefully Konqueror will continue to evolve to the point where Mozilla is irrelevant; and Galleon will do the same for the GNOME camp. Both projects have Email/Groupware clients that are superior to the "extra" bundled Mozilla features anyway.
Ok, so this is old news, and my bitching won't re-write history. But I've not voiced my thoughts about this in the internet before.. and now I feel much better for it:-)
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Hmm
As Intel have already put a lot of effort into working with the GCC developers on IA-64, one would assume that any new talent they get is going to be focused in the same direction.
The logical move would seem to be for Compaq to use GCC for the Tru64 IA-64 port, which would result in binary compatability (though not library compatability) with Linux IA-64. The library issue could be addressed easy enough, and would make Tru64 a good platform for running Linux apps, while further helping to entrench Linux as the development platform of choice!
It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.
Macka
But Jo Public isn't aware of the component parts of the system that result in the delivery of a WAP experience. 99% of them probably haven't even heard of GSM. So from their perspective, it's WAP that's slow. And don't forget that we're talking about why WAP is a failed technology in the eyes of the consumer.
And anyway, the "failure" of WAP was clearly not due to poor download speeds
Then what was is it down to?
I have WAP on my phone and must have used it a dozen times only in the last 6 months. It's not the content that's the problem (ok, there isn't much, but what's there is readable) it's the speed. It's so pig slow to get the screen up that you want, and then to navigate, that after a while (and only a couple of articles) this little voice in the back of your head starts nagging about how much this info excursion is costing, for so little return. If it were faster, I'd use it a lot more.
Macka
> Burn half as much energy? Prove it
Pointers to text evidence I don't have right now. I've just seen it stated so many times on UK TV News and Documentary programs (like Panorama) that I know it to be a fact.
It wouldn't surprise me to find that most Europeans know this too. Nor would it surprise me to know that most USAnians don't.
And who gives a rats ass about your taxes. We're talking about polution of the air we breath, and destruction of the natural protection this planet has against solar radiation.
Or does a few more dollars in your pocket each month mean more to you than that? You're already the richest country in the world. Don't be so dam greedy!
Unless MS decides that Office revenue is the only thng that matters, not likely. It'a a sad fact that some people have to buy Windows because of Office. Put Office on Linux and they could loose the Corporate market for Windows desktops very quickly.
I can't see them doing that. If they loose the desktop, they loose their leverage on the server market. It's just not going to happen.
No of cause it's not my job. I also know it's Offtopic, and it's the first time I've ever said anything political on
But I have to say, it really scratches an itch. I'm genuinely pissed off about Bush's behaviour over world polution. And I'm not alone either. The majority of Europians are not impressed with Bush's pro-polution policies, or the pro Star Wars initiative (but that's another topic entirely).
Well, considering (when compared to you lot) we EUian's burn half as much energy as you do per head of population, produce far less emissions, and actually stick to deals we make to reduce world polution (ever heard of Kyoto!)
Wake up and smell the coffee. Keep putting the needs of your economy first like this, and you'll end up choking on your own success. Unfortunately, so with the rest of us. Thanks very much!!!!!!
Hmm, I just got a home cinema setup installed, with Yamaha amp and all the trimmings. I was thinking how nice it would be to rip all my CD's, plumb a PC into the amp and play them that way.
But a PS2 would be even better. It's small and I could use the TV for the screen. If it was running Linux, I could NFS mount a filesystem served from elsewhere in the house too.
Anyone know what the graphics capabilities of the PS2 are like under Linux? Just wondering what kind of mp3/Ogg Vobis player I would be able to use.
Macka
This morning as I looked at my breakfast bowl, in amongst the swirling lines of porridge and milk, I swear I saw an image of Richard Stallman staring right back at me. Scared me half to death!
Macka
That must mean that it's possible to calculate (or guestimate) the number of words spoken by one person during his/her lifetime. I wonder how much storage it would take to hold that?
Macka
I don't believe that were we to achieve immortality is would result in a Human Race that was any happier than it is today. Death defines life ; and it's the very fact that we have a finite time in this body that gives us the drive to squeeze the most out of it while we still have it. So Death is a very important part of the Human experience and we should accept that.
:-)
What is of interest and importance to me is the quality of life and in particular, health, as we get older. I remember seeing a documentary on TV about a treatment given to OAP's derived from embryo research (I don't remember the species or nature of the drug) but the net effect was increased energy, hardening of the bones (curing osteoporosis) and thickening of the skin to levels more common in youth. If science can deliver a way to keep me more alert and 'bouncy' until it's my time to pass on, then I'll be a very happy man in deed.
Who wants to live forever
Macka
I don't get this. It's too "sci-fi" for 99% of Jo Public to seriously consider trying and too off the wall. I'd feel incredibly stupid for example sitting on a train or in a park wearing one of these things.
This wearable computing concept is just yet another techno fad that a couple of idealists think they can talk people into wanting. It didn't work with internet "push" technology (another hyped up concept) and I don't see it working here either.
Macka
You have someone trying to run an application that uses tek?
Macka
I do 90% of my non-work Internet browsing on a Sony Vaio PCG-C1XD with a 1024x480 size screen. It's just about ok when the browser is at full-screen mode, but banner ads this size would be a disaster for me.
If my workplace is anything to go by, sub notebooks are becoming even more popular. Especially among senior managemenent. So I can't see a shift like this going down well with the PHBs either.
And what about Internet browsing PDA's like Compaq's IPAQ?
Macka
I have to say that that is probably one of the best and most well thought out articles of Nick's that I've ever read. I've never used Debian, but I have to agree with the case he puts 100%. apt-get does sound like the answer to a great many of my upgrade headaches
Well done Nick, keep pushing that message!
Macka
Someone should moderate me down with "offtopic" or something so as not to confuse others.
Guess I deserve to loose a couple of Karma points for jumping in with both feet.
Macka
This clashes quite nicely with Eazel's Nautilus Software Catalogue. To quote their page:
So which one of the two options are the distributions like Redhat going to promote? Or will they add a third choice?
Macka
From their web site
What a load of rot!
Hot swap drives are invaluable. As JBOD's they're not much cop, but if you then use LVM (or similar) to mirror them ; when one goes down you stay up and running because the other half of your mirror is still intact.
Without hotswap capability, this solution will never see the inside of a datacentre.
Macka
Easy answer. Create another Bacteria to eat the first bacteria
Macka
Just imagine what this would do to firms like StoreageTek if true. It will wipe them out. Why spent £0.5M on a Powderhorn solution (~400TB) when you can spend £2000 on 40 credit cards that can hold the same.
Macka
I see what you mean. I disagree that bash is executing "read" in a subshell, as "read" is also a bash builtin function. However I think that bash is broken here.
Macka
I would have said that the ksh behaviour is the correct one. "read" is a ksh builtin and should not execute in a subshell unless surrounded by either $() or `` and in either case I would expect very strange results from that.
... I'm looking at this using ksh on a Tru64 Unix box right now .. I'll experiment more on my Linux box when I get home later.
Hmm
Macka
Doesn't it strike you that Mozilla is actually competing with the KDE & GNOME projects here? Tell me why this is a good thing?
Macka
> I'm annoyed by all the people that just whine;
> help out with something god damnit!
Why should we? Quite frankly you deserve a good roasting for taking what should have been an MS killer, then sitting on it and fiddling with the engine; adding bigger wheels, better spoilers, windscreen wipers, go faster stripes and fluffy dice
When you eventually ship V1.0, you'll deliver a product that will be the Open Source equivelant of MS Word. i.e. 10% of the features will be used 90% of the time. But that won't matter, because so many people will have settled on IE, or will be getting by with Konqueror, Gallion, or Opera that Mozilla will make little more than a plop, never mind a splash.
If this all sounds harsh, then it's meant to be, because I'm annoyed, and because I have a right to be. If I'd know it was going to take this long 2 years ago I'd have invested the time to learn C++ and chipped in
Macka
Good isn't it. Just as virtually every other app on the Linux desktop is converging onto either the KDE or GNOME widget sets, Mozilla intoduces a new proprietary way to do things, totally seperate to anything else.
Now that's what I call forward thinking (NOT).
Hopefully Konqueror will continue to evolve to the point where Mozilla is irrelevant; and Galleon will do the same for the GNOME camp. Both projects have Email/Groupware clients that are superior to the "extra" bundled Mozilla features anyway.
Ok, so this is old news, and my bitching won't re-write history. But I've not voiced my thoughts about this in the internet before
Macka