And if I just don't give a rat's @ss about games? Which I don't.
But I don't buy a computer just for one thing. I use it for a variety of purposes, and the Macs I own serve those purposes very well, so the money, as long as I can afford it, is well spent as far as I am concerned.
If you can afford to buy a computer for just one purpose, then go ahead, do just that, it's your money... I couldn't care less.
1. We claim that our "boxes" are superior because we believe that they are, and we put our money where our mouths are. "Windows fanboys" do too. Does that make YOU smug?
2. We claim that there are no (or few) exploits in the wild BECAUSE ITS TRUE!
3. We look down our noses (at least some of us do, not all)... when citing features of the Mac OS, because a LOT of us really do know Windows! I support Windows machines for a living, so I am certainly aware of Windows features (and bugs - oh, sorry, THOSE are features, too!). So my views on Windows is backed by first hand knowledge. Is your view of Mac OS X backed by first hand knowledge, or just wishful thinking?
I don't have to justify my spending to anybody. I just buy Macs cause I really do think they are superior to boxes that run Windows. So I put my money on the line.
Apparantly, you do too. Frankly, you sound as smug and superior as you say I do. Fine, it's your money. Spend it as you like. Someday, you may see what I do in Apple's products, but if you don't, I won't take it as a stain on my manhood - or yours either...
First of all, can the hostility. This is not about yer manhood.
Second, this really isn't Apple's fault. It is the fault of their vendor that made the card and wrote the software driver for it. One of the main arguments of the "Windows fanboys" is that driver issues are not Microsoft's fault and that environment richness is one reason why they shouldn't be totally blamed for instability.
Well guess what? So that particular bug finally bit Apple. Do ya know what we'll do? Take our new wireless Mighty Mice and go to the Airport menu on the menubar and turn Airport off when we're not using it. Apple will undoubtedly issue an update to fix it any second now...
And in response to another comment made in another earlier post - Mac OS X does not enable root by default. These guys were very imprecise as to what they mean by total control. They also don't explain what they mean by "not quite default settings". So how IS the target Mac configured? Did they change the default from "ask permission before logging into open network" to "login automatically?" That makes a difference! Plus, the current user may not be logged in as an admin. Do they mean they can get admin rights even if the current user isn't? Or do they mean they can get total control of the machine under current user privileges? They really don't explain, leading me to conclude that they aren't that familiar with OS X, or aren't concerned with details, just grandstanding for headlines.
Yes, this IS a serious issue, but I'd like a few more details of how the target was configured and just what they mean regarding gained privileges, given that root is NOT even activated by default in OS X.
I think that what this thread shows is that there is no particular common format. I also use that format, leaving the word "the" off. My point is in how we *order* the month/day/year in shortened formats.
Yes, you're right, it was EDS, I had a senior moment... or brain fart, whatever... don't know where TI came from.
Yeah, I heard about the controlling aspect of things about Perot, too. But it cuts both ways, when he saw employees as loyal and hard working, there wasn't anything he wouldn't do in return as well. At least that's what I heard.
I tend to agree with this, although I am not by any stretch a socialist. I too believe that capitalism is the best system, and gives people the best chance of bettering themselves through hard work.
However, I also think that there is a role for government to play, and that is to play the social protector by forcing the capitalist system to pay attention to the social issues that capitalism tends, by nature, to ignore.
That, by and large, is the story of the last 150 years of the American political story - how to balance one with the other, and where that balance point should be.
A lot of recent studies in the sociological field has shown that if companies put a more humane face on their employee policies, they'll get a lot more work and loyalty from their employees. I could name a few people that have built corporations on that principal, by taking very good care of their people, making sure that they're well paid, and being sure that they felt that the corporation cared about their families, too.
I could get flamed for this, but in the early years, Ross Perot with Texas Instruments is a good example of how that can work. Hisa people were well paid, and when employees or their families got sick, he was known to pay for expensive procedures himself if the company's insurance wouldn't. In return, his staff was extremely loyal.
I'd be willing to bet that the loyalty they felt kept his company's secrets better than any laws or rules could hope to do.
I don't know - I'd assume that a simple invisibility device wouldn't affect a person's left behind fingerprints? Or hair for DNA analysis? Criminals are often pretty stupid, even if they appear smart - it's mostly the forgotten detail that trips them up.
An invisibility device might make the actual heist easier through making yourself invisible to say, a surveillance camera, but other clues would still be there. Criminals were caught and put in jail long before security cameras were invented.
Ok, I'll post a correction - I did not mean to imply that any OTHER english speaking countries do it our way - I confess, I'm an ugly American, and often forget to add the proper qualifiers to my statements.
My apologies to the UK, Australia, and anybody else I may have inadvertently insulted.
But we do say it the way we write it, at least in the parts of the US I've ever lived in.
Actually, even in your way of saying it, the date is really either 2/8/06 or 2/8/2006, neither one of which would really rise to the level of deserving an article on/.!
Really? My wife is German, and there, they use *two* digits for the year, as in 2/8/06. (and sometimes, these days, four) I don't recall an Intel processor with that number.
Look about mid-page for historical references as to the why's and wherefor's about the history. There is a very good chart of advantages of each system, and a world map of who drives which side.
But in the midst of all this, what country uses just a single digit for the year? Before y2k, we used two digits, since then, it has become common to use four to be able to differentiate between the 20th century and the 21st.
Sounds like someone wanted to use single digits to get a story posted... cause using two or four digits, there is no similarity to the processor names.
I imagine it's like the poster said above - in english, when you speak the date, you say, "It's August the 2nd, 2006." Thus, compressing it into a shorter format, you write 8/2/2006, or 8/2/06. I rarely see the year shortened to a single digit, tho... unless you're trying to get a story posted on/.;)
Nice try. Ok, Canada did not CHOOSE not to be a superpower, it is a status conferred upon you by others, based upon your "rank in the international system and the ability to influence events and project power on a worldwide scale..." See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpower
A nation like the US gets drawn into world affairs through the normal course of international diplomacy and the natural inclination of any country to protect its interests. The misery and villany you abhor is usually thrust upon you by the bad guys. (i.e., Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, people like Pol Pot, et. al.) I can assure you, the US never chose to get involved in misery, it is something that happens when nations fight. Things do get messy, and it's never a pretty picture. You make it sound as if the US chooses this. I beg to differ.
You didn't define 'nice'. So I took a convenient definition and ran with it. Sorry you don't agree. I agree that resisting bullies is something nice nations should do; that happens to be part of what I was trying to point out. But you cannot resist bullies by simply choosing not to be like them. Sometimes it means getting your hands dirty and doing bad things to people that want to do bad things to you. (And I do NOT mean bad illegal things like abusing prisoners - I am referring to bad things like dropping bombs on the bad guys.) I am sorry if 'nice' nations like Canada don't always want to get mixed up in those things, that's your choice, and it is your right to make that choice. Canada has backed the US up at critical times in the past, that's why we consider ourselves to be allies. While we may snipe at each other at times, and don't always see eye to eye, I am sincerely glad that we are pretty much on the same side when we face the bad guys. (and not just because that would be one wicked border for us both to need to fortify!)
My point here is that the West needs to get with the program and decide just how we want to resist this latest group of bad guys.
Yes, Bush has hurt that effort by pushing the US out in front and not going the extra mile to enlist the active assistance and agreement of our allies. On the other hand, Europe in general, and France in particular, has a history of shoving their head in the sand and ignoring obvious problems when their economic interests are at stake. So the problems here are myriad and complex, but in the end, we need to recognize the real goals of the people we're fighting, and work together to stop them.
I didn't say then leader was necessarily further left than Bush is right - its as much Dem's leaders taking the far left of the party's advice and wishes to move left that is scary, like the republican base to the right. Bill Clinton, I have objections to other than his place on the spectrum, I don't want to get into specifics anyway in this forum.
I don't know if any Republican can keep the far right outta the equation, even if he wanted to, nor could the Dems keep their far left outta things, either. We're in a pickle, I know, I really don't see any way to get a real moderate elected right now.
The original poster's statement at the beginning was to the affect that no Lincoln Navigator is worth $25k. He did not qualify that statement with notations about having driven it off the lot, besides, no car is going to loose $25k just by driving it off the lot, don't make stupid statements! TFA did not note how old the guy's car was, besides TFA wasn't about the insurance company's objection to the AMOUNT of the claim, it was about their refusal to pay it off based upon a specious TECHNICAL argument. The statement as to no Lincoln Navigator's being worth #25k was off base, I've proven it without question. Even if the car was three or four years old, it would not have lost that much value. Both the Insurance company and the insured knew the value, that was never in question!
Next time, google for the value before you back an unfounded statement, and if you are really wiling to get accurate, go the the Blue Book's site and try to get a more accurate reading there. I'm not going to waste any more time answering people that don't bother to look up the relevant information before spouting off!
And none of the countries you cite can be considered superpowers. None of those countries get involved in the same direct manner that the US does, and has in the past. Yes, they get involved, but in concert with other nations, lending their weight.
But as my example proves, before WWII, all the nations of Europe got together and tried to be nice to Hitler, and gave him what he wanted. Poland, for instance, was one of those "nice" countries like you mentioned. But Hitler invaded them anyway, and in 5 days, there was no more Poland.
I didn't say that being nice never works, and yes, if you are a small country that never insults anybody, plays nice, etc., you can get along fine. As long as you don't have a neighbor that wants your space. If that happens, no amount of playing nice or appeasing them will work. They'll just take what they want unless somebody's willing to stop them.
My post wasn't about small countries playing nice, it was about stopping bad people that want to play bad.
I know no vehicle is worth the price when they drive off, but unless the car was more than a couple of years old, its not gonna lose 50% of its showroom value just drivin off the lot! It may be, so that's probably why he only claimed $25K.
So a Lincoln Navigator newer than a couple of years old is easily worth more than $25k, especially since $50k is the LOWEST MSRP for a stock Navigator, not a loaded one. And, if I remember TFA, he didn't say if it was loaded or not.
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Oh, I see I got caught by the "windows fanboi" club of /. modifiers..
I suppose it makes no difference that I made reasoned arguments, and didn't call anybody names, either. (and didn't, for once, make fun of Windows!)
Ok, metamoderators, do yer thing!
They can't - Microsoft got to it first...
And if I just don't give a rat's @ss about games? Which I don't.
But I don't buy a computer just for one thing. I use it for a variety of purposes, and the Macs I own serve those purposes very well, so the money, as long as I can afford it, is well spent as far as I am concerned.
If you can afford to buy a computer for just one purpose, then go ahead, do just that, it's your money... I couldn't care less.
They used a third party card because they could show this vulnerability on an APPLE laptop!
Headlines...
RTFA - it says that there are at least two cards in use in Windows boxes that sport the same issue. That means Windows specific drivers...duh.
Please ensure that brain is engaged before putting mouth (keyboard) in gear...
1. We claim that our "boxes" are superior because we believe that they are, and we put our money where our mouths are. "Windows fanboys" do too. Does that make YOU smug?
... when citing features of the Mac OS, because a LOT of us really do know Windows! I support Windows machines for a living, so I am certainly aware of Windows features (and bugs - oh, sorry, THOSE are features, too!). So my views on Windows is backed by first hand knowledge. Is your view of Mac OS X backed by first hand knowledge, or just wishful thinking?
2. We claim that there are no (or few) exploits in the wild BECAUSE ITS TRUE!
3. We look down our noses (at least some of us do, not all)
I don't have to justify my spending to anybody. I just buy Macs cause I really do think they are superior to boxes that run Windows. So I put my money on the line.
Apparantly, you do too. Frankly, you sound as smug and superior as you say I do. Fine, it's your money. Spend it as you like. Someday, you may see what I do in Apple's products, but if you don't, I won't take it as a stain on my manhood - or yours either...
First of all, can the hostility. This is not about yer manhood.
Second, this really isn't Apple's fault. It is the fault of their vendor that made the card and wrote the software driver for it. One of the main arguments of the "Windows fanboys" is that driver issues are not Microsoft's fault and that environment richness is one reason why they shouldn't be totally blamed for instability.
Well guess what? So that particular bug finally bit Apple. Do ya know what we'll do? Take our new wireless Mighty Mice and go to the Airport menu on the menubar and turn Airport off when we're not using it. Apple will undoubtedly issue an update to fix it any second now...
And in response to another comment made in another earlier post - Mac OS X does not enable root by default. These guys were very imprecise as to what they mean by total control. They also don't explain what they mean by "not quite default settings". So how IS the target Mac configured? Did they change the default from "ask permission before logging into open network" to "login automatically?" That makes a difference! Plus, the current user may not be logged in as an admin. Do they mean they can get admin rights even if the current user isn't? Or do they mean they can get total control of the machine under current user privileges? They really don't explain, leading me to conclude that they aren't that familiar with OS X, or aren't concerned with details, just grandstanding for headlines.
Yes, this IS a serious issue, but I'd like a few more details of how the target was configured and just what they mean regarding gained privileges, given that root is NOT even activated by default in OS X.
I think that what this thread shows is that there is no particular common format. I also use that format, leaving the word "the" off. My point is in how we *order* the month/day/year in shortened formats.
Hmm, assuming the money would then be covered by the device as well... but how often does that happen in broad daylight?
Yes, you're right, it was EDS, I had a senior moment... or brain fart, whatever... don't know where TI came from.
Yeah, I heard about the controlling aspect of things about Perot, too. But it cuts both ways, when he saw employees as loyal and hard working, there wasn't anything he wouldn't do in return as well. At least that's what I heard.
I tend to agree with this, although I am not by any stretch a socialist. I too believe that capitalism is the best system, and gives people the best chance of bettering themselves through hard work.
However, I also think that there is a role for government to play, and that is to play the social protector by forcing the capitalist system to pay attention to the social issues that capitalism tends, by nature, to ignore.
That, by and large, is the story of the last 150 years of the American political story - how to balance one with the other, and where that balance point should be.
A lot of recent studies in the sociological field has shown that if companies put a more humane face on their employee policies, they'll get a lot more work and loyalty from their employees. I could name a few people that have built corporations on that principal, by taking very good care of their people, making sure that they're well paid, and being sure that they felt that the corporation cared about their families, too.
I could get flamed for this, but in the early years, Ross Perot with Texas Instruments is a good example of how that can work. Hisa people were well paid, and when employees or their families got sick, he was known to pay for expensive procedures himself if the company's insurance wouldn't. In return, his staff was extremely loyal.
I'd be willing to bet that the loyalty they felt kept his company's secrets better than any laws or rules could hope to do.
You're new here, right?
I don't know - I'd assume that a simple invisibility device wouldn't affect a person's left behind fingerprints? Or hair for DNA analysis? Criminals are often pretty stupid, even if they appear smart - it's mostly the forgotten detail that trips them up.
An invisibility device might make the actual heist easier through making yourself invisible to say, a surveillance camera, but other clues would still be there. Criminals were caught and put in jail long before security cameras were invented.
Ok, I'll post a correction - I did not mean to imply that any OTHER english speaking countries do it our way - I confess, I'm an ugly American, and often forget to add the proper qualifiers to my statements.
My apologies to the UK, Australia, and anybody else I may have inadvertently insulted.
But we do say it the way we write it, at least in the parts of the US I've ever lived in.
Actually, even in your way of saying it, the date is really either 2/8/06 or 2/8/2006, neither one of which would really rise to the level of deserving an article on /.!
Really? My wife is German, and there, they use *two* digits for the year, as in 2/8/06. (and sometimes, these days, four) I don't recall an Intel processor with that number.
There is an interesting article on Wikipedia here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_hand_drive
Look about mid-page for historical references as to the why's and wherefor's about the history. There is a very good chart of advantages of each system, and a world map of who drives which side.
It's worth a side trip.
Ah! Now *those* dates are cool!
/. and we'll see if it gets accepted...
Now when they do occur, be sure and submit a story to
But in the midst of all this, what country uses just a single digit for the year? Before y2k, we used two digits, since then, it has become common to use four to be able to differentiate between the 20th century and the 21st.
Sounds like someone wanted to use single digits to get a story posted... cause using two or four digits, there is no similarity to the processor names.
I imagine it's like the poster said above - in english, when you speak the date, you say, "It's August the 2nd, 2006." Thus, compressing it into a shorter format, you write 8/2/2006, or 8/2/06. I rarely see the year shortened to a single digit, tho... unless you're trying to get a story posted on /. ;)
Nice try. Ok, Canada did not CHOOSE not to be a superpower, it is a status conferred upon you by others, based upon your "rank in the international system and the ability to influence events and project power on a worldwide scale..." See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpower
A nation like the US gets drawn into world affairs through the normal course of international diplomacy and the natural inclination of any country to protect its interests. The misery and villany you abhor is usually thrust upon you by the bad guys. (i.e., Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, people like Pol Pot, et. al.) I can assure you, the US never chose to get involved in misery, it is something that happens when nations fight. Things do get messy, and it's never a pretty picture. You make it sound as if the US chooses this. I beg to differ.
You didn't define 'nice'. So I took a convenient definition and ran with it. Sorry you don't agree. I agree that resisting bullies is something nice nations should do; that happens to be part of what I was trying to point out. But you cannot resist bullies by simply choosing not to be like them. Sometimes it means getting your hands dirty and doing bad things to people that want to do bad things to you. (And I do NOT mean bad illegal things like abusing prisoners - I am referring to bad things like dropping bombs on the bad guys.) I am sorry if 'nice' nations like Canada don't always want to get mixed up in those things, that's your choice, and it is your right to make that choice. Canada has backed the US up at critical times in the past, that's why we consider ourselves to be allies. While we may snipe at each other at times, and don't always see eye to eye, I am sincerely glad that we are pretty much on the same side when we face the bad guys. (and not just because that would be one wicked border for us both to need to fortify!)
My point here is that the West needs to get with the program and decide just how we want to resist this latest group of bad guys.
Yes, Bush has hurt that effort by pushing the US out in front and not going the extra mile to enlist the active assistance and agreement of our allies. On the other hand, Europe in general, and France in particular, has a history of shoving their head in the sand and ignoring obvious problems when their economic interests are at stake. So the problems here are myriad and complex, but in the end, we need to recognize the real goals of the people we're fighting, and work together to stop them.
I didn't say then leader was necessarily further left than Bush is right - its as much Dem's leaders taking the far left of the party's advice and wishes to move left that is scary, like the republican base to the right. Bill Clinton, I have objections to other than his place on the spectrum, I don't want to get into specifics anyway in this forum.
I don't know if any Republican can keep the far right outta the equation, even if he wanted to, nor could the Dems keep their far left outta things, either. We're in a pickle, I know, I really don't see any way to get a real moderate elected right now.
Look, stop being obtuse!
The original poster's statement at the beginning was to the affect that no Lincoln Navigator is worth $25k. He did not qualify that statement with notations about having driven it off the lot, besides, no car is going to loose $25k just by driving it off the lot, don't make stupid statements! TFA did not note how old the guy's car was, besides TFA wasn't about the insurance company's objection to the AMOUNT of the claim, it was about their refusal to pay it off based upon a specious TECHNICAL argument. The statement as to no Lincoln Navigator's being worth #25k was off base, I've proven it without question. Even if the car was three or four years old, it would not have lost that much value. Both the Insurance company and the insured knew the value, that was never in question!
Next time, google for the value before you back an unfounded statement, and if you are really wiling to get accurate, go the the Blue Book's site and try to get a more accurate reading there. I'm not going to waste any more time answering people that don't bother to look up the relevant information before spouting off!
And none of the countries you cite can be considered superpowers. None of those countries get involved in the same direct manner that the US does, and has in the past. Yes, they get involved, but in concert with other nations, lending their weight.
But as my example proves, before WWII, all the nations of Europe got together and tried to be nice to Hitler, and gave him what he wanted. Poland, for instance, was one of those "nice" countries like you mentioned. But Hitler invaded them anyway, and in 5 days, there was no more Poland.
I didn't say that being nice never works, and yes, if you are a small country that never insults anybody, plays nice, etc., you can get along fine. As long as you don't have a neighbor that wants your space. If that happens, no amount of playing nice or appeasing them will work. They'll just take what they want unless somebody's willing to stop them.
My post wasn't about small countries playing nice, it was about stopping bad people that want to play bad.
I know no vehicle is worth the price when they drive off, but unless the car was more than a couple of years old, its not gonna lose 50% of its showroom value just drivin off the lot! It may be, so that's probably why he only claimed $25K.
So a Lincoln Navigator newer than a couple of years old is easily worth more than $25k, especially since $50k is the LOWEST MSRP for a stock Navigator, not a loaded one. And, if I remember TFA, he didn't say if it was loaded or not.
So, sorry, think it over again, yer wrong.