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How to Become Invisible

mdm42 writes "Looks like a theoretical physicist at St. Andrews University in Scotland believes that invisibility may be possible. And its not going to be a potion or a cloak, but will come in the form of a device. " Let's just hope that when the invisible woman arrives, she's played more convincingly than Jessica Alba.

336 comments

  1. Invisibility already exists on /. by schon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nothing for you to see here. Please move along.

    A story on invisibility, and /. tells me there's nothing to see.

  2. Jessica Alba by zanderredux · · Score: 1
    Let's just hope that when the invisible woman arrives, she's played more convincingly then Jessica Alba.
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    1. Re:Jessica Alba by Vengeance · · Score: 5, Funny

      Let's be honest here, whatever you think of her acting skills, making her invisible is ill-advised.

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    2. Re:Jessica Alba by kent,+knower+of+all · · Score: 1



      Yeah -- Everyone knows that Linda Carter is the only "real" female superhero. :~}

    3. Re:Jessica Alba by Johnny5000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Let's be honest here, whatever you think of her acting skills, making her invisible is ill-advised.

      I can think of a few scenerios involving me, Jessica Alba and an invisibilty device, but none involve making *her* invisible.

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    4. Re:Jessica Alba by GogglesPisano · · Score: 5, Funny

      The only part of Jessica Alba that should be invisible is her clothes.

      If you want subtle acting and believable characterization, you can go watch Meryl Streep. In the meantime, I'll be watching Alba with the sound off.

    5. Re:Jessica Alba by sasdrtx · · Score: 1

      Well, at least they didn't invent magical invisible clothing, so she generally ran around naked while invisible. There are some tactile scenarios that would make that not completely ill-advised.

      Remember, when Buffy became invisible, she got pretty randy...

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    6. Re:Jessica Alba by orasio · · Score: 1

      Her suit was invisible in the movie.

    7. Re:Jessica Alba by LMacG · · Score: 1

      Leaving aside the (obvious) then/than problem, WTF does that sentence even mean?

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    8. Re:Jessica Alba by schon · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can think of a few scenerios involving me, Jessica Alba and an invisibilty device, but none involve making *her* invisible.

      Uh-oh. Do I detect the beginnings of a new "Natalie Portman" /. meme?

    9. Re: Jessica Alba by The_REAL_DZA · · Score: 3, Funny

      The problem with asking Jessica Alba to play the Invisible Woman is that she's not someone we want to be invisible in the first place -- it's pretty hard to "suspend your disbelief" when you're busy hoping her invisibility powers fail but her costume's function perfectly...

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    10. Re:Jessica Alba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't that say "more convincingly than Jessica Alba."?

    11. Re:Jessica Alba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And when she does finally arrive, she also knows the difference between 'then' and 'than'.

    12. Re:Jessica Alba by Matimus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Uh-oh. Do I detect the beginnins of a new "Uh-oh. Do I detect the beginnings of a new $existing_meme /. meme" /. meme?

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    13. Re:Jessica Alba by Goblez · · Score: 1

      Yeah, does that mean you're going to be hiding certain aspects of yourself so you have a chance? I don't know whether that means general appearance, or perhaps an endowment issue . . .

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    14. Re:Jessica Alba by Steendor · · Score: 3, Funny

      If only the redundant mod didn't have negative connotations...

    15. Re:Jessica Alba by knifeyspooney · · Score: 1

      Who played Jessica Alba? Who could do it better then?

    16. Re:Jessica Alba by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      Remember to use protection!

      Put a plastic bag over your keyboard.

    17. Re:Jessica Alba by kalirion · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What if only her clothes are made invisible?

    18. Re:Jessica Alba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the sound of one hand clapping... wait... nevermind

    19. Re:Jessica Alba by h3st · · Score: 1

      Hrm. There are probably some people out there who would try the Invisible Man approach: Find a girl's school, pretend you're the Holy Spirit, and let them all have a shot at being the next mother of Jesus.

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    20. Re:Jessica Alba by Lissajous · · Score: 1

      Wait ... I'm confused .... this *is* /. isn't it? How was that modded funny instead of insightful?

    21. Re:Jessica Alba by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 2, Funny

      >What's the sound of one hand fapping... wait... nevermind

      Fixed.

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    22. Re:Jessica Alba by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      If you want subtle acting and believable characterization, you can go watch Meryl Streep.

      Okay, but is there any way I can make her invisible but her clothes visible? You know, just in case?

    23. Re:Jessica Alba by kinglink · · Score: 1

      Then your not thinking with enough perversion. There's always a way.

    24. Re:Jessica Alba by computational+super · · Score: 1

      Actually, I thought she was completely convincing as the invisible woman. It's when she appeared again that her character sort of lost its beleivability.

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    25. Re:Jessica Alba by thejoelpatrol · · Score: 2, Funny

      Only on Slashdot is this "insightful"

    26. Re:Jessica Alba by snuf23 · · Score: 1

      Which is why I thought is was so lame that in Sin City she played a stripper with her top on. I mean the character in the graphic novels was always topless in the bar. Why couldn't she have done that in the name of preserving the artistic integrity of the source material! Surely Frank Miller could have convinced her!

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    27. Re:Jessica Alba by Frightening · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, indirection is beautiful. Just think, there are people who have never used pointers..

    28. Re:Jessica Alba by Atario · · Score: 1

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    29. Re: Jessica Alba by Alsee · · Score: 1

      Movie title:
      The Woman with Invisible Clothes

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  3. How not to be seen. by Vengeance · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is Mr. E.R. Bradshaw of Napier Court, Black Lion Road London SE5. He can not be seen. Now I am going to ask him to stand up. Mr. Bradshaw will you stand up please

    In the distance Mr Bradshaw stands up. There is a loud gunshot as Mr Bradshaw is shot in the stomach. He crumples to the ground

    This demonstrates the value of not being seen.

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    1. Re:How not to be seen. by shotgunefx · · Score: 1

      LOL, wish I had some mod points+

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    2. Re:How not to be seen. by Dorceon · · Score: 1

      "If they can't see you, they can't get you."

      "Yes, but they can still hear you."

      KABOOM!

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    3. Re:How not to be seen. by dargon · · Score: 1

      I owuld mod him up even more funny, but seeing as I've posted in this thread...

    4. Re:How not to be seen. by Jamil+Karim · · Score: 3, Informative

      For those who might not understand the joke - it's a Monty Python reference.

    5. Re:How not to be seen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Original movie, subtitled in german.

      Battlefield 2 parody.

    6. Re:How not to be seen. by steveo777 · · Score: 3, Funny

      For those who love Monty Python and Halo.

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    7. Re:How not to be seen. by Gnavpot · · Score: 1
      Original movie [youtube.com], subtitled in german.
      If you use that kind of German in Germany, you will probably not be understood.

      However, if you use that kind of German in Denmark, we will get along just fine - as long as you stop calling it German.
  4. I thought you just had to say by winkydink · · Score: 3, Funny

    "I'm invisible!" convincingly enough. It worked for Burt in Soap.

    Whippersnappers: Look it up.

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    1. Re:I thought you just had to say by kent_eh · · Score: 1

      It only works is you wave your arms in a certain way while saying it. A somatic component, if you will.

      (I could never catch the last part of that, though, as Burt was invisible during that part of the gesture)

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    2. Re:I thought you just had to say by elessar12 · · Score: 0

      I am invisible when I put my hands in front of my eyes. No one can see me! I learned this from my baby.

  5. Bending light is certainly possible by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All it takes is a suitably large gravity well. Black holes have been doing this since the dawn of time.

    But seriously, all the new light bending materials I've been reading about look neat, but seem to be focused on certain wavelengths. Broad spectrum invisibility will likely be pretty tough.

    1. Re:Bending light is certainly possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd prefer to hear about the possibilities involving Jessica Alba bending.

    2. Re:Bending light is certainly possible by harrkev · · Score: 0, Redundant

      The only catch that I can see if you manage to accomplish this: you would be blind. If all of the photons were routed around your body, none would be left to enter you eyes, so you would not be able to see anything. On the other hand, if you left your eyes uncovered by whatever the magic material is, people woudl be able to see a disembodied pair of eyes from the front, and who-knows-what from the back.

      If some magic material were actually invented, it would probably also be detectable by checking for a magnetic or electric field. Of course, sonar would still work great.

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    3. Re:Bending light is certainly possible by tehgnome · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We do movie Physics presentations at my school each semester and Fan4 was one of them last semester. The calculations were comical and we showed that for her to possess the needed gravity, she would have more mass than our planet in Alba's frame. Furthermore, she would of been attracting (with gravity) everything around her. As far as Physics, this movie was one of the worst.

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    4. Re:Bending light is certainly possible by hoggoth · · Score: 1

      Simple.

      The suit has a device in front of your eyes that captures the light and simultaneously displays it to your eyes AND displays a copy on the back of your head.

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    5. Re:Bending light is certainly possible by bcattwoo · · Score: 1

      Another problem would be that if the field (or whatever you wish to call is) did not end exactly match the contours of your body anything that the field overlapped (like the floor) would appear to have a chunk missing.

    6. Re:Bending light is certainly possible by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      Furthermore, she would of been attracting (with gravity) everything around her.

      Exactly were I was going! If she had the mass to curve light she might not be visible but you would feel her presence. Assuming it would last long enough to feel it. The painful crushing sensation that is. Talking about not seeing the train coming.

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    7. Re:Bending light is certainly possible by MyNameIsEarl · · Score: 1

      Well it sure is a good thing I didn't watch a movie with a Plastic Man, a Human Torch, a guy made out of rocks and an Invisible Woman for it's physics then.

  6. finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    If you need to get some place without anyone seeing you, learn how to utilize camo and cover while moving carefully without making too much noise.

    finally all those hours playing Splinter Cell will pay off!
  7. talking to women by mdmarkus · · Score: 5, Funny

    You mean there's more to invisibility than just talking to women?

    1. Re:talking to women by GMontag · · Score: 3, Funny

      Many of the women I have dated are invisible in mirrors and on film.

      Side effect: loss of blood and money.

    2. Re:talking to women by binkzz · · Score: 4, Funny

      I was afraid you were going to say:

      "You mean there's more to invisibility than meets the eye?"

      But luckily I was wrong.

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    3. Re:talking to women by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Informative
      "You mean there's more to invisibility than meets the eye?"

      No, that's the Transformers.

      Thank you folks, I'll be here all week.

      -Eric

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    4. Re:talking to women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought they were better than a meat pie?

      Yeah its bad, but I wanted in :(

  8. Holy crap it actually works! by TheRequiem13 · · Score: 0

    I'm standing right behind you.

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  9. Finally... by Bomarrow1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can look into a mirror...

  10. Invisibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think Joanna Dark had this 6 years ago.

  11. true invisibility is impossible by preppypoof · · Score: 2, Informative

    and even if it was possible, we'd be blind while we were invisible. invisible means that there is no light to reflect off of us so that other people can see us. however, if there is no light to reflect off of us, there is no light to reflect off of our eyes, which means we can't see.

    1. Re:true invisibility is impossible by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 5, Insightful

      true invisibility is impossible

      Not really. It can be done and probably will be done some day. It is just not as simple or work the same way bad sci-fi shows portray it.

      and even if it was possible, we'd be blind while we were invisible.

      Yes, but this is a solvable problem as well. Bend visible wavelengths of light around, but not infrared and wear infrared goggles. Or bend light around everywhere except a pinhole too small to be visible, but which is used to generate a view outside the cloak like a pinhole camera does. Or transmit an image from a small device outside the cloak. The hard part is redirecting the light properly. Once that is solved, the rest is a lesser problem.

    2. Re:true invisibility is impossible by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      Yes, a generally understoof problem. Though allowing a limited amount of light through would generally be enough to see while not destroying the effect. Think one way mirrors some light goes through but do you notice it.

    3. Re:true invisibility is impossible by Sleet01 · · Score: 0

      If you've got much light reflecting off your eyes, you've got more serious problems than the effects of invisibility.

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    4. Re:true invisibility is impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and even if it was possible, we'd be blind while we were invisible. invisible means that there is no light to reflect off of us so that other people can see us. however, if there is no light to reflect off of us, there is no light to reflect off of our eyes, which means we can't see.

      Good point, but you assume that people only want to make themselves invisible. How about all those ugly cell phone towers that recently appeared everywhere? Poof, gone! Now you can see the sky and trees again.

      Or more sinisterly, maybe you never got a chance to see that missile heading straight for you... some things that have no need for seeing visible light could benifit from not being seen by other things.

    5. Re:true invisibility is impossible by vinsci · · Score: 1
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    6. Re:true invisibility is impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Or bend light around everywhere except a pinhole too small to be visible, but which is used to generate a view outside the cloak like a pinhole camera does.

      Ah, the Quake method. You become a floating pair of eyeballs.
    7. Re:true invisibility is impossible by Chmcginn · · Score: 4, Informative
      It would depend on the conditions, though - in a rural setting, letting 95% of the light through would be fine at any reasonable distance (20-50 ft or so) - the slight distortion of colors or bending of a line isn't too easy to spot when colors are gradient and lines are curves.

      In an urban setting, though, you'd be more likely to notice the distortion around a 95% invisible object if it was passing between you and a straight line, like the edge of a building, or making one portion of the car across the street appear a different color.

      But combined with current stealth techniques (sticking to shadows, stay in buildings, etc.) this would be a tremendous advantage to the equipped force. Probably not quite as much as, say, power armor, but DARPA's got money going into that, too.

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    8. Re:true invisibility is impossible by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      Or you make it split the light going for your eyes so that one copy of it goes to your eyes and the other to the other side of you.

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    9. Re:true invisibility is impossible by blank+axolotl · · Score: 1

      current stealth techniques (sticking to shadows, stay in buildings, etc.)

      You mean 'current' as in the past 10,000 years? Hiding in buildings isn't exactly 'high tech'. :)

    10. Re:true invisibility is impossible by shenanigans · · Score: 1

      Not really. It can be done and probably will be done some day. It is just not as simple or work the same way bad sci-fi shows portray it.

      Why? How do you know that? This kind of techno-optimism is pretty prevalent among sci-fi fans, but it is flawed logic. Invisibility, like eg. FLT, is most likely physically impossible. Just because 'impossible' things have become possible in the past, it doesn't mean that your favourite techno fantasy will fare the same way.

    11. Re:true invisibility is impossible by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      Why? How do you know that?

      It violates no laws of physics so far as we know, thus it is likely possible to build. The fact that we have some pretty good ideas already as to how it might be accomplished means it is likely someone will eventually manage it. It is like an assessment of flying in the renaissance. Heavier than air objects can fly (see birds). Invisible substances exist (air). Illusions to make things invisible exist (with preparation). Thus, just as it was likely someone would eventually learn to fly based upon knowledge available in the renaissance it is likely someone will make an invisibility device some day.

      Invisibility, like eg. FLT, is most likely physically impossible.

      I think you'll have a hard time finding any physicist who claims invisibility is a physical impossibility. The debate is still out on FTL. It is true that faster than light motion in regular space is pretty unlikely, but that does not mean FTL travel is impossible even with our current understanding of physics.

      Just because 'impossible' things have become possible in the past...

      Impossible things don't happen, merely things that were commonly believed to be impossible. Given current understanding of physics, invisibility is not impossible, just really hard to get working practically.

    12. Re:true invisibility is impossible by kfg · · Score: 1

      You mean 'current' as in the past 10,000 years? Hiding in buildings isn't exactly 'high tech'. :)

      Lions stick to the upwind, tall grass before they pounce. The military usefulness of not being seen predates our much vaunted human brains by a considerable margin.

      Still, there might be some value in being able to saunter a bit closer to the gazelle before being noticed. An advantage does not necessarily need to be large to be useful.

      KFG

    13. Re:true invisibility is impossible by kfg · · Score: 1

      . . .it was likely someone would eventually learn to fly based upon knowledge available in the renaissance. . .

      It's interesting to note that telegraphy and using it to pass digitally encoded information was predicted at least as early as the 1600s.

      To show just how perceptive and right up to date this prediction was it envisaged the use of some sort of . . .tube.

      KFG

    14. Re:true invisibility is impossible by andrew_0812 · · Score: 1

      Except the holodeck. That is just around the corner, right?

    15. Re:true invisibility is impossible by mikael · · Score: 1

      There's an alternative way... you could have a suit composed of mini-cameras, multiple angle LED's (these are possible, they have project a different colour for different azimuth/altitude angles) and wires that can sense how much they have been bent (like the Nintendo PowerGlove). From the wires, you could get an idea of the shape of the wearer, then you could match the input from each camera to the LED's on the opposite side of the person. This could even handle multiple occlusions from the different positions of the arms and legs. You could even camouflage heavy machines this way - look at the size of the outdoor displays that are available now.

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    16. Re:true invisibility is impossible by Chmcginn · · Score: 1

      No, I mean "current" as in "being in use at the present time". "Current" doesn't mean new, just that it's still used.

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  12. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He just described the Predator.

    I have my own hypothesis about the future. In the near future, Human kind will be able to build AI and robots. From my research, this will come in the form of a computer I am calling "Skynet." It will be neural net CPU, a learning computer.

    However, I must insist we take caution when building this advanced new machines, which I am going to call "Terminators," as at some point they may decided that the human race is the enemy.

    I urge you all to write your congresspeople to encourage them to take appropriate measures with this "Skynet" in the future.

    I also have some theories about a new computer network, which I have coined "The Matrix." It will be very stylish and include kungfu fighting (like the 70's song by Carl Douglas).

    If you have any questions, feel free to give me a jingle in the future (which my future self will be five soon).

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    1. Re:Great by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Do you have any other examples of old idea that you can trod out and pretend to make new?

    2. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He doesn't have a newsletter. He is, however, an editor of Slashdot, so you can simply stay tuned here for more.

    3. Re:Great by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      In this matrix, a select few will invariably be able to manipulate the environment by realizing it's not really there. But instead of jumping off tall building and not dying, why won't they ever think of simply turning off clipping?

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  13. Really invisible? by Klaidas · · Score: 5, Funny
    If you replace the water with light then you would not see that there was something present because the light is guided around the person or object.

    Sure, who would find a human-sized-walking-lightbulb suspicious? :)
    1. Re:Really invisible? by SCPRedMage · · Score: 2, Funny

      You mean people are actually smart enough to figure that out?

      Shit, that means Metal Gear Solid taught me NOTHING...

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    2. Re:Really invisible? by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      Like this?

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  14. Re:Doesn't work by andrewman327 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Old news! Wired ran this story three years ago. The technology isn't any more advanced now than it was then. Military.com published an extremely informative guide to invisibility last year. Much better than TFA.

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  15. Predator had it more apt... by RyanFenton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If a device is made to either redirect light, or detect light in the environment, absorb it and then project light to match it, then there will be some delay necissary in the process, because you can't send out information before you observe it.

    Don't know how significant it would be, but that could result in a slight disjointed projection of the area behind you if you were made 'invisible' with such a device, most observable when one moves.

    Thus, the more apt movie reference would be Predator.

    Ryan Fenton

    1. Re:Predator had it more apt... by hal9000(jr) · · Score: 1

      Yah, that seems resonable.

      Perhaps this is a problem with the rock in water analogy but I wonder if it applies to bending light as well. When water flows around a rock, turbulance is created that can be seen from all sides even if you can't see the rock. The further you get from the rock, the less visible the turbulance is. This is true even if the viewer is at or below the plane of the water/air interface. Would a similar principle apply here as well, I wonder?

    2. Re:Predator had it more apt... by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      With modern technology you'd be talking about less that a millisecond delay. It simply wouldn't be noticable to the human eye, though your inner sense might know something is wrong. This would definatly be detectable by a computer though, atleast if the object was moving.

    3. Re:Predator had it more apt... by TommyBear · · Score: 1

      Well the funny thing is that in Predator 2, they actually describe a method of bending light around the suit, which makes the predator invisible... life really does imitate art, or maybe steals from it :)

    4. Re:Predator had it more apt... by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 4, Funny

      because you can't send out information before you observe it.

      Clearly, you are new to Slashdot.

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    5. Re:Predator had it more apt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe the moviemakers just read their science publications...

    6. Re:Predator had it more apt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, that is funny. And observant too.
      Do you find people avoid you at parties?

    7. Re:Predator had it more apt... by zymurgyboy · · Score: 1
      The Predator looks really much closer to Elder Scrolls cameleonism than invsibiliy, to me. Andvanced tech-induced camo is more likely what this may end up as, practically speaking. From the articlae:

      Invisibility is an optical illusion that the object or person is not there. Leonhardt uses the example of water circling around a stone. The water flows in, swirls around the stone and then leaves as if nothing was there. "If you replace the water with light then you would not see that there was something present because the light is guided around the person or object. You would see the light coming from the scenery behind as if there was nothing in front," he said.
      So what happens if you move around in the water? And once you get it out of the water, I'd bet you'll still be pretty noisy, if invisible, assuming the field could really keep up with your movement.

      Infrared invisibility, coupled with this, would really be kick ass. It's got Navy Seals written all over it.

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    8. Re:Predator had it more apt... by Chrononium · · Score: 1

      If anyone here is familiar with the concept of waveguides or merely transmission lines, then you should think of this concept as a dense collection of light-guides. There have been various suggestions as to how to create optical circuits (the familiar capacitor, inductor, resistor, but at optical frequencies) and they seem to always revolve around metamaterials (materials which have a negative refractive index, in some cases). Nanospheres constructed out of metamaterials can be used to construct optical transmission lines. Confinement is impossibly good, but I'd imagine they still have the problem of how to couple light into the waveguide. With standard techniques and materials, one could use an antenna at sub-optical frequencies, but I'm not so sure about the existence of metamaterial-based antennas, especially operating at optical frequencies. Of course, since it's optical, one could instead opt for a metamaterial-based lens (capable of focusing past the diffraction limit). The real trick to making an invisibility cloak is not necessarily some intrinsic delay (which, in this case, would not exhibit a refraction problem a la the Predator's cloak), but being able to couple all the light to the optical waveguides. That means the lenses or antennas need to be perfectly matched (in terms of group velocity) to air; otherwise, some reflections would result and you would see it as a small reflection. Primitive versions of these cloaks would need to still take advantage of dark places, rather than to be in direct light where the cloak would likely be somewhat visible (though its occupant would remain masked by the cloak).

      In all likelihood, unless they can get it to perfectly match group velocities across the air/coupling apparatus interface, you will always see a small sheen to the cloak, kind of like a highly polished piece of glass (nearly invisible, but not quite).

      This is of great interest not simply to physicists, but to electromagnetic engineers.

    9. Re:Predator had it more apt... by jeffshoaf · · Score: 0

      But writing "Navy Seals" all over it would spoil the invisibility affect...

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    10. Re:Predator had it more apt... by ChildeRoland · · Score: 1

      "With modern technology..."

      Gee, I didn't even realize invisibility was possible with today's technology.

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    11. Re:Predator had it more apt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To a camera, yes. But to the human eye, it might be possible to avoid this. There's only so many frames/sec that the human eye can observe. If the device was able to achieve that latency lower than what is observable to the human eye, you wouldn't be able to see any effect.

    12. Re:Predator had it more apt... by smallfries · · Score: 1

      There seems to flaw in both of the analogies that the physicist presents in the article. The example that you quote of the water circling has a basic flaw. The water molecules are reasonably uniform and so there doesn't appear to be any difference in the water after it has swirled around the stone. But imagine that each molecule is a slightly different colour, and that overall they make up a recognisable pattern. After they have swirled around the stone the pattern is destroyed - which would certainly be visible.

      The other example that he uses is invisibility to radar - but radar assumes that the observer is actively sending out rays. Preventing them from being reflected makes the object invisible to radar. But moving from radar to light the observer becomes passive and sees the reflections of the ambient light in scene. If the object stops reflecting these then it is still visible - just very dark. We already have objects with this kind of "invisibility", the main character in the Matrix wears one most of the time...

      Neither approach seems to be practical when applied to light and visibility.

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    13. Re:Predator had it more apt... by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      Well with an array of cameras and leds it could be done with todays technology. Just at great expense and would harly be worth the effort for the effect you would get. I was using todays technology as a reference, the delay would be small, so one could assume with future technology you shouldn't expect any delay bigger than this.

    14. Re:Predator had it more apt... by The_REAL_DZA · · Score: 1

      Bah, that's not sending out information before you've received it -- that's sending out information over and over after you received it just once. I guess a Slashdot-style cloaking device, instead of making it impossible to see you, would just project so many copies of you that it'd be difficult to tell which one was the real you... which would, come to think of it, be pretty cool...

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    15. Re:Predator had it more apt... by dswensen · · Score: 1

      Adding to the funny is the other story's byline:

      from the i've-heard-that-before dept.

    16. Re:Predator had it more apt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That analogy is somewhat poor, because light doesn't interact with light. In water the current is always in one direction. With light it's going every which way bouncing off of things, if it weren't then we couldn't see them, we'd just see black. So it's like the rock in water analogy except that the current is coming from all directions, and turbulence doesn't exist. Well, okay, it's not really at all like the rock in water analogy, but whatever.

    17. Re:Predator had it more apt... by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      I believe you are thinking about mirrors.

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  16. Junk Sci by darkchubs · · Score: 1

    so whens he gonna tackle the superman theory?

  17. unrequited humour by tezbobobo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes, they've made 15 prototypes so far. They just can't get past the testing stage. Keep losing them.

  18. And here I thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FTFS: "And its not going to be a potion or a cloak, but will come in the form of a device."

    And here I thought that potions and cloaks were also devices.

    Who knew?

  19. I'm surprised by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    And all this time I thought invisibility would be done by using a magic potion like in AD&D. I guess I lose that bet.

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  20. Mystery Men by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    Mystery Men proves that invisibility exists already, especially if noone (including yourself) is watching.

    Heck, most of /. audience is invisible to the opposite sex.

  21. python... by FrontalLobe · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think Monty Python made being invisible unnecessary with their "How not to be seen" skit.
    Just don't hide behind a single shrub in the middle of a field...

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  22. Space Travel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems like this would be an ideal way to keep that pesky interstellar radiation away from the meaty bits inside of a crunchy spacecraft.

  23. But what about inside? by xtracto · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But then I presume that the person inside the field would not be able to see a thing, if you were inside the field force you would be inside a black "universe". Interesting uh?

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    1. Re:But what about inside? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course, if you bend all light around you, there's no light hitting your eyes. That's BTW also the main fault of the invisibility concept in movies and stories: The people get completely invisible, but they can still see just like normal. But to see like normal, the light has to be fist bent by your eye's lense, and then absorbed by your eye's retina. Which should make at least your eyes visible quite well. Of course that's no problem with magic (magic can override all laws of nature anyway), but it's clearly a problem if the invisibility shall be achieved by a physical effect.

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    2. Re:But what about inside? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Capture light with a material that can also emit light. Display captured light to occupant, emit light on opposite side congruent with captured light. Probably possible, though very complex.

    3. Re:But what about inside? by Valthan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is one thing I love about the Recluce saga by Modesitt Jr. When he has a character go invisible by using the "Order/Chaos magic" of the world, they cannot see... such realism keeps me coming back even though it is in something like the 13th or 14th book! If you haven't read anything by this Author, I highly, highly, recoomend it.

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    4. Re:But what about inside? by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      If nothing's visible but your eyes, then you're still 99.99% invisible. Hell of a lot better than 100% visible.

    5. Re:But what about inside? by green1 · · Score: 1

      hence a near perfect solution would make everything except an area the size of the pupils 100% invisible, and the small area 95% invisible, then on the inside of the field amplify the remaining 5% (or less) of the light in that area to allow vision (possibly 99% and 1%? or even more extreme depending on how much you can amplify the remaining light)

      sure you'd still have a "detectable" presence in the area used to see, however it would be a very small area, and even it would only be a slight distortion, the odds of someone noticing it would be extremely slim.

    6. Re:But what about inside? by ElecCham · · Score: 1

      That's simple: by the time you can build one of these, you can probably also build a microbot with a miniature camera in it. You just wear goggles, and you view what the microbot sees.

      Your frame of reference would be off (well, at least it would be if you're smart and don't have the thing hovering right above you) but you'd get video.

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    7. Re:But what about inside? by swalker42 · · Score: 1
      OK
      First, I hate it when people point out spelling errors
      Second, I am about to. Sometimes they are so much fun, they have to be commented on.

      the light has to be fist bent by your eye's lense

      conjured up a small (eye lense sized) bruce lee/jackie chan/jet li 'processing' the light as it enters the eye.
      (bad chinese accent)To entah the eye, you must afirst pass through me!
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    8. Re:But what about inside? by haggie · · Score: 1

      Tell that fascinating scientific movie fact the next time you are on a date with an attractive female and watch as she becomes invisible...

    9. Re:But what about inside? by iLogiK · · Score: 2, Interesting

      one of the shows that find a way to solve that problem is "The Invisible Man" (2000), one of my favourite series

    10. Re:But what about inside? by blank+axolotl · · Score: 1

      Unless you are duplicating the light rather than just bending it. Then you can send one copy to your eye and the other out your other side.

      But maybe that's impossible to do?

    11. Re:But what about inside? by shimage · · Score: 1

      Generally speaking, you need to interact with something to know anything about it. Interaction has a way of changing the thing that you were trying to observe in the first place. There are exceptions, but they aren't very common (at least at the level of photons). You might be able to fake it well enough to fool people, though (in principle, anyway; in practice, it probably wouldn't work). Sort of like the predator ...

    12. Re:But what about inside? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      What if you wore IR goggles, or something else allowing you to see at a wavelength other than that of normal light? Radar or something? (or the more sophisticated modern sonic equivalent). Then you'd still be invisible to people, it'd just be machines developed to notice it that found anything.

    13. Re:But what about inside? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      it'd just be machines developed to notice it that found anything

      And other people wearing IR goggles....

    14. Re:But what about inside? by guaigean · · Score: 1

      Or you just bend visible light, and use another device to view light not visible to the human eye. It requires an additional device, but would be doable, even if it modified the way the invisible person saw things...

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    15. Re:But what about inside? by tarmon.gaidon · · Score: 1

      That makes sense to have some kind of device, to view light not in the normal human spectrum. Except if some how you are bending light around you, for that you would have to some how only been light around you that is in are visable spectrum.

    16. Re:But what about inside? by zen-theorist · · Score: 1
      The people get completely invisible, but they can still see just like normal. But to see like normal, the light has to be fist bent by your eye's lense, and then absorbed by your eye's retina. Which should make at least your eyes visible quite well.
      nope, do not get it. for your eyes to be visible, they should reflect light. if your retina absorbs all light and reflects none, and the rest of your body bends it, why shouldnt the invisible man be able to see?
    17. Re:But what about inside? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd be able to see them from behind.

    18. Re:But what about inside? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absorbing the light would create a black surface

    19. Re:But what about inside? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For your eye to be visible, it simply has to be different than the background. Absorbing all light == black so unless you are already in a room without any lights, I think you have a bit of a problem.

    20. Re:But what about inside? by susano_otter · · Score: 1

      Tell me more about the "realism" of this "Order/Chaos magic" you speak of...

      It always seemed much more realistic to me that Wizards would invent magic spells that are useful, such as one-way invisibility.

      You know, because it's a magical solution, not a scientific solution.

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    21. Re:But what about inside? by Meph_the_Balrog · · Score: 1

      Even better, warp the visible light spectrum, but leave other electromagnetic spectrums un-affected. Mind you, if we had *that* level of control over the EM Spectrum, I think Invisibility would be one of the last things we would be worrying about.

    22. Re:But what about inside? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      what if you just absorbed all light?
      of couse, just wearing IR goggles could solve this issue.

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    23. Re:But what about inside? by Valthan · · Score: 1

      it is a "magic" but it is based on physics. One can harden something so it cannot break, but it is by "ordering" the atoms. One can change the weather, but it does affect the weather all over the world. So with the invisibilty, physics says that without light, one cannot see, so how can one be invisibly by bending the light around them, and still see? they cannot...

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    24. Re:But what about inside? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's called being dressed in black

    25. Re:But what about inside? by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      So you have a "shield" around you that allows light in, but not out. It also bends most of it around you, so an observer on the other side of you from an object sees most of light from the object, but not all. 10-15% difference on a bright day isn't going to be noticeable, unless you're really looking for it, but then it would just look weird, not "Oh noes! There's somebody invisible there!"
      You'd only have 10-15% of the light of the bright day, but that would just be like really good full-body sunglasses.

      If it's darker, then more light could be let through the shield to the invisible person, and the 25-30% difference would still probably not be noticeable. If it's night, you could probably let 90% of the light in through the shield, and nobody'd notice unless the invisible person was standing under a streetlight.

      True, none of these are true invisibility....more like Somebody Else's Problem, but it's already been determined that SEP is much easier than true invisibility, anyway....

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    26. Re:But what about inside? by TheLink · · Score: 1

      In quake 1 if you take the invisibility power up, your eyes are still visible.

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    27. Re:But what about inside? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Also bending light around a field implies a concentration of light at the boundry of the field, depending upon the depth it could conceivably end up trying to be infinately thin and of high intensity. The water around the rock in a stream does not compress but the light will.

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    28. Re:But what about inside? by Eivind · · Score: 1
      That objection always seemed very petty to me.

      It's true, offcourse, if taken 100% literally. If *all* light is bent around you, you see nothing.

      But in reality, the amount of light you need to see perfectly well is a tiny percentage of the light hitting your body. Even if you left the area of the iris perfectly visible, that would only result in two 4mm (or so) black circles. You honestly think this would be all that much inferior to "true" invisibility ?

      In daylight you could do a lot better. The sun shines with about 1000W/m^2. I don't know the lower limit, but certainly 1W/m^2 is more than sufficient for reading, so you could make the area of the iris only redirect 99.9% of the incoming light, letting the remaining 0.1% trough to the eye.

      If even that is not good enough for you, there's always the option of amplifying the light in the area of your eyes by a factor of 2, and thereafter re-route half of it around you. This lets you see perfectly, and leaves you perfectly invisible.

    29. Re:But what about inside? by kryptx · · Score: 1

      Which should make at least your eyes visible quite well.

      If you think about it, the consequences of not redirecting light that's aimed for your eyes (assuming "you" are the invisible person) would be that someone behind you would see two distortions -- they'd look like dark spots larger than eyeballs but they'd be translucent. They'd barely be noticeable unless he's standing just a foot or two behind you, because most of the light that makes up the things he sees won't be travelling along the same line as the light that makes up the things you see.

      Someone in front of you would still see the light that was bent around the back of your head to the front of your body.

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    30. Re:But what about inside? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sure you'd still have a "detectable" presence in the area used to see

      You're assuming that the Invisible Man isn't using sonar hooked directly into the visual centres of his brain.

  24. From scotland with love by crodrigu1 · · Score: 0

    I love single malt whiskey and I think our professor does too

  25. Black Ops Specialists Rejoice by Gryle · · Score: 1

    The military and espionage potential is huge. However I assume the forcefield could play havoc with radar, possibly sonar too. So how would one go about detecting invisible men/women? Infrared? Gaurd dogs?

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    1. Re:Black Ops Specialists Rejoice by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Water. Just send a jet of water where you suspect someone might be. If there's indeed someone, it will not cross that space.

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    2. Re:Black Ops Specialists Rejoice by sesshomaru · · Score: 1
      So how would one go about detecting invisible men/women? Infrared? Gaurd dogs?
      Guard dogs work really well against both spies and Yuris, so I imagine they'd work against invisible soldiers as well. Just watch out for Chrono Commandos.
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    3. Re:Black Ops Specialists Rejoice by aadvancedGIR · · Score: 1

      I would say spotting the big 2000A power cable handling in the air (along with the stupid green dog switching it from an outlet to the next one) should be easy.

    4. Re:Black Ops Specialists Rejoice by Isotopian · · Score: 1

      And hence-forth, all SEALs will be armed with MP5s and SuperSoakers.

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  26. No peeping toms though... by MadCow42 · · Score: 1

    Keep in mind that by bending light around an object, you're preventing that light from being visible to anyone/anything within the field. Essentially, when you were "cloaked", you'd also be blind.

    So, there go the recreational usages of such technology... :)

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    1. Re:No peeping toms though... by Chmcginn · · Score: 1

      Unless, of course, it was like a one-way mirror - lets about 5% of the light through. If you were completely incased, your eyes would quickly adjust to your new light level - in daytime, it would still be much brighter than being inside your house with a 50-watt bulb.

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  27. Light doesn't bend? by Aerri · · Score: 1

    Ok. The extended article compares this theoretical invisiblility to water flowing around a rock. Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm no physicist), but I thought that light doesn't bend like that. It moves in a straight direction at an incredibly fast speed. So, any device that diverts light would cause it to reflect... meaning that if you looked straight on at an invisible person, you would see images from all around the room. It would be very disorienting and you would know that someone was there. Am I wrong?

    1. Re:Light doesn't bend? by stormi · · Score: 0
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    2. Re:Light doesn't bend? by sensei85 · · Score: 1

      Nope, electromagnetic radiation moves in a straight line (at least here on earth). That's why this is new technology. If light bended normally, the world would be a very different place, and it's likely that we would have a very different vision system (if we used EM waves at all. More likely we would have feelers and souped up hearing.)

      Bottom line: bending waves is hard, but not impossible. It will probably be many many years before this becomes seamless for the visual spectrum, but RADAR/SONAR are much more feasable, because it doesn't have to be flawless. Noise in RADAR is ignored. Noise in the visual spectrum is seen immediately and focused on. There are some great applications for this technology, but don't go putting a down payment on an invisable force field just yet.

    3. Re:Light doesn't bend? by hummassa · · Score: 1

      The case is: light does bend occasionally.
      Think black holes and massive objects (like the Sun and Earth). They bend light. So, yes, the way to do that is to generate some carefully-controlled gravity distortion field that pulled light from every (important) side of the invisible person, generated some copy of some part of that light (so the invisible person could see something) and deflected, bending, the otherwise "straight" lightrays so they come across as if nothing was there.
      The main problem: we can't control gravity at all with our current tech.
      We don't even know for sure if gravitons exist AFAICR from my quantum physics class in 1990. (Maybe I need an update. Please?)
      Actually, we don't know jack shit about how gravity is transmitted (again, maybe I need an update, and if so, I would welcome it).
      We don't know how to generate a "brute" gravity/antigrav field, and we certainly don't know how to generate a "fine-tuned" one (that would distort the light path just the way we liked it).

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    4. Re:Light doesn't bend? by pscottdv · · Score: 1

      Light bends when it hits a material with a different index of refraction. If the interface is "sharp" such as between air and a pane of glass, then some light is reflected. If the interface is gradual, then there need not be any reflection.

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    5. Re:Light doesn't bend? by mrpeebles · · Score: 1

      The transition between two materials can cause light to bend. Think a prism. The glass bends the different wavelengths of light at different angles, which is why it creates a rainbow. In general, some of the light will be reflected, and some of the light will not. My guess is that the technology behind all of this might involve some fancy materials that, for practical purposes, doesn't reflect any of the light, and to boot is able bend the light many many times in just such a way that it makes the person inside a device made of this material invisible. I didn't read TFA very carefully, though.

  28. Philadelphia Experiment? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Funny
    "It is very likely that the demonstration for radar would come first and very soon."

    And this experiment will be done with a ship in Philadelphia?
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  29. Al Gore already invented this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He started using his invention immediately after the 2000 election.

  30. Practical Invisibility by tverbeek · · Score: 1

    Invisibility is already possible. The underlying principle behind it is not technological or mystical but sociological. See the works of Ralph Ellison ("Invisible Man"), Kate Clinton ("In Search of the Invisible Lesbian"), and Grant Morrison ("The Invisibles") for more info.

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    1. Re:Practical Invisibility by hkgroove · · Score: 1

      No need to read all those books. Just a few clicks on myspace will give you the same information.

  31. Is it just me... by rehtonAesoohC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... or does anyone else hope this information would become classified if it ever became a reality? If the technology was ever released (or the specifics and not the actual tech) there could be potential for multi million dollar heists and no one would be able to find out. Heck, the way they're talking, it's ALL light that would be manipulated, meaning there would be absolutely no way to track a person who was using it.

    1. Re:Is it just me... by rahrens · · Score: 1

      I don't know - I'd assume that a simple invisibility device wouldn't affect a person's left behind fingerprints? Or hair for DNA analysis? Criminals are often pretty stupid, even if they appear smart - it's mostly the forgotten detail that trips them up.

      An invisibility device might make the actual heist easier through making yourself invisible to say, a surveillance camera, but other clues would still be there. Criminals were caught and put in jail long before security cameras were invented.

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    2. Re:Is it just me... by BashDot · · Score: 1

      Sonar?

    3. Re:Is it just me... by rehtonAesoohC · · Score: 1

      Sonar would work the same way as Radar, meaning it detects waves. The difference being that light has a different wavelength and such, but the concepts would be the same, so configuring the light bender to bend sound would use the same technology and wouldn't be a long stretch. Imagine this technology in a US submarine?

    4. Re:Is it just me... by trogdor8667 · · Score: 1

      Look at it this way, if you were to rob a bank wearing a ski mask, the witnesses would know your skin color (possibly), your rough height, and what you were wearing. With an invisibility device, you'd lose those three clues; nothing else. So, no, it wouldn't make it harder to track. It would make it harder to track if you had a smart thief, however, who snuck in, never made a sound, and made off the money while no one noticed.

      But thieves have been doing that for years too.

    5. Re:Is it just me... by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 1

      The concepts are not the same.

      Metamaterials affect electromagnetic waves because they affect electromagnetic wave propagation.

      Sonar waves are not carried by photons, they are carried by air molecules.

      The only way you can make yourself invisible to sonar is by not being there at all. If you can touch it, sonar can find it, and it's simple as that.

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    6. Re:Is it just me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. All you need is a material that absorbs the kinetic energy imparted to it from the air molecules, and there will be no echo. Even if the material doesn't absorb the energy and simply propagates it in an unexpected manner (e.g., cleanly reflecting it at an oblique angle), a sonar device will get no (in the case of combined emitter/detector) or incorrect/intermittant (in the case of separate separate emitter/detector) readings.

      This is why bats crash headlong into parked B-2 bombers. The some of the properties that render them almost completely invisible on radar (in this case, the contour of the airframe) render them completely invisible to bats' sonar.

    7. Re:Is it just me... by CagedBear · · Score: 1

      I don't think so. By the time technology like this exists (if ever), we will have long since had the technology to detect its use. Imagine walking into a bank with a cloaking device and having all sorts of bells and alarms go off because a machine detected your presence.

    8. Re:Is it just me... by rahrens · · Score: 1

      Hmm, assuming the money would then be covered by the device as well... but how often does that happen in broad daylight?

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  32. So All I Gotta Do... by mdielmann · · Score: 4, Funny

    So all I gotta do is carry a black hole in my pocket. That's gotta suck...

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    1. Re:So All I Gotta Do... by Shai-kun · · Score: 2, Funny

      Is that a black hole in your pocket or are you just very attractive?

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    2. Re:So All I Gotta Do... by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      So all I gotta do is carry a black hole in my pocket. That's gotta suck...

      Sort of. Except carrying it is going to give you a completely new definition of "Atomic Wedgie".

      That and the fact that the event-horizon will be a dead giveaway. :-P

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    3. Re:So All I Gotta Do... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      o all I gotta do is carry a black hole in my pocket. That's gotta suck...

      Yes, yes it does.

      The only drawback is you always have a big grin on your face and walk like you shat yourself.

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      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    4. Re:So All I Gotta Do... by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Then maybe it should be placed in your front pocket?

  33. Turbulence? by scdeimos · · Score: 2, Insightful
    FTA:

    Invisibility is an optical illusion that the object or person is not there. Leonhardt uses the example of water circling around a stone. The water flows in, swirls around the stone and then leaves as if nothing was there.

    "If you replace the water with light then you would not see that there was something present because the light is guided around the person or object. You would see the light coming from the scenery behind as if there was nothing in front," he said.

    I wonder if this is BadAnalogyGuy in disguise? :)

    A most people will have actually seen water flowing around a rock in a creek or a stream will attest, the water doesn't just leave as if nothing was there: there's all sorts of turbulence, especially leaving visibile waves on the surface and even a trail of bubbles if there is sufficient flow to cause aeration.

    1. Re:Turbulence? by painQuin · · Score: 1

      water affects other water - light less so. the turbulence is caused by the water impacting itself on the back side of the rock. If this device unbends the light properly on the back side, no distortion.

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    2. Re:Turbulence? by alienmole · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, but bending light has other effects. Think about prisms, for example. "If this device unbends the light properly" is a big if, especially when you're talking about trying to make human-sized and human-shaped objects invisible.

  34. technology put to good use by Potatomasher · · Score: 1

    "Let's just hope that when the invisible woman arrives, she's played more convincingly then Jessica Alba."
    I can think of a couple of things involving "invisibility" and "Jessica Alba". The above is not one of them.

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  35. Let's hope... by funpet · · Score: 0

    Let's just hope that someday slashdot will use proper English grammar.

    1. Re:Let's hope... by rahrens · · Score: 1

      You're new here, right?

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  36. I think I've heard it before by icepick72 · · Score: 1
    believes that invisibility may be possible

    For decades, many science fiction fans around the world have believed invisibility *may* be possible.

  37. CmdrTaco you must be new here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    jessica cannot be invisible even when she is invisible because she is Jessica
    dont blame her for not playing it good enough

  38. Just ask the romulans... by break99 · · Score: 1

    Invisibility is theoretically possible, Captain -- selectively bending light. But the power cost is enormous. They may have solved that problem... ST: Balance of terror

  39. And in further news... by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    Scientist thinks commercial fusion energy may be possible in future...

    Scientist thinks arresting the aging process may be possible in future...

    Scientist thinks space colonies may be possible in future...

    Scientist thinks flying cars may be possible in future...

    etc. etc. etc.

    1. Re:And in further news... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Scientist thinks predicting future developments correctly may be possible in the future :-)

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  40. Grammar Police by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    > ... she's played more convincingly then Jessica Alba.

    It's 'than' not 'then'.

    1. Re:Grammar Police by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      Let's just hope that when the invisible woman arrives, she's played more convincingly; then (afterwards, subsequently) Jessica Alba.

      I'm OK with this...

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    2. Re:Grammar Police by kwerle · · Score: 1

      Either we need a new definition for the word "Editor", or we need a new word for what it is the /. commanders do.

    3. Re:Grammar Police by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Someone played Jessica Alba, and she was played not convincingly enough?

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  41. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's just hope that when the invisible woman arrives, she's played more convincingly then Jessica Alba.

    After the invisble woman is played more convicingly, Jessica Alba does what?

  42. look at me i'm invisible by paughsw · · Score: 1

    look at me i'm invisible

    1. Re:look at me i'm invisible by z0idberg · · Score: 1

      You forgot to tick the Post AC checkbox.

  43. Somebody Else's problem by travalas · · Score: 5, Funny

    The technology involved in making anything invisible is so infinitely complex that nine hundred and ninety-nine thousand million, nine hundred and ninety-nine million, nine hundred and ninety-nine thousand, nine hundred and ninety-nine times out of a billion it is much simpler and more effective just to take the thing away and do without it. The ultra-famous sciento-magician Effrafax of Wug once bet his life that, given a year, he could render the great megamountain Magramal entirely invisible. Having spent most of the year jiggling around with immense LuxO-Valves and Refracto-Nullifiers and Spectrum-Bypass-O-Matics, he realized, with nine hours to go, that he wasn't going to make it. So, he and his friends, and his friends' friends, and his friends' friends' friends, and his friends' friends' friends' friends, and some rather less good friends of theirs who happened to own a major stellar trucking company, put in what now is widely recognized as being the hardest night's work in history, and, sure enough, on the following day, Magramal was no longer visible. Effrafax lost his bet - and therefore his life - simply because some pedantic adjudicating official noticed (a) that when walking around the area that Magramal ought to be he didn't trip over or break his nose on anything, and (b) a suspicious-looking extra moon. The Somebody Else's Problem field is much simpler and more effective, and what's more can be run for over a hundred years on a single torch battery. This is because it relies on people's natural disposition not to see anything they don't want to, weren't expecting, or can't explain. If Effrafax had painted the mountain pink and erected a cheap and simple Somebody Else's Problem field on it, then people would have walked past the mountain, round it, even over it, and simply never have noticed that the thing was there. -Douglas Adams

    1. Re:Somebody Else's problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The technology involved in making anything invisible is so infinitely complex that nine hundred and ninety-nine thousand million, nine hundred and ninety-nine million, nine hundred and ninety-nine thousand, nine hundred and ninety-nine times out of a billion it is much simpler and more effective just to take the thing away and do without it.

      For the record, one thousand million = one billion, so nine-hundred and ninety-nine thousand million would be 999 billion.

      So...999 billion times out of 1 billion?

      Sorry, doesn't work that way.

      How about a nice game of chess?

    2. Re:Somebody Else's problem by Xybot · · Score: 1

      I didn't see the Douglas Adams on the end and assumed it was Stanislaw Lem. Never made that similarity connection before. Hmmm move along...

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    3. Re:Somebody Else's problem by mattr · · Score: 1
      Assuming the quotation is correct, it is just long scale or what I have always thought of as the British counting system (actually it is the French long scale). A thousand million is also a milliard., 10^9 or a billion in the short scale normally used. So the above quotation is just saying the chances you really need to an honest to goodness invisibility device are 1::10^12 (a trillion to one in everyday short notation).

      take a look at the cool references below, which mention milliard and billiard (related to pool?). A neat quotation next to the 1926 line in the second ref. Living in Japan it is worse, since the commonly used scale is based on 4 zeroes not 3. (though the exchange rate solves problems at the 12 zeroes mark, so 1 oku yen = approx. 1 million dollars) FYI.

      Wikipedia refs: Milliard, Long and short scales

    4. Re:Somebody Else's problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To distill what the other poster has said, in British, one billion is one million millions. Bzzt. You ARE the weakest link ... GOODBYE.

  44. Re:The only invisble thing here is the editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That last sentence needs some commas, or must be split up. It's not clear enough as it is.

    To me, clear communication is more important than spelling.

  45. English please! by totallygeek · · Score: 1
    Let's just hope that when the invisible woman arrives, she's played more convincingly then Jessica Alba.


    Someone needs remedial English to learn the difference between 'then' and 'than'. While one can understand the sentence, it is incorrectly structured. Better, it would read, "Let's just hope that when the invisible woman arrives, she's portrayed more convincingly at that time than by Jessica Alba." Or, "Jessica Alba is hot and should never be invisible."

  46. As any HHGTTG fan can tell you... by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, that's because as anyone who's read Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy could tell you, they're doing it wrong. You don't need to turn something invisible, which is a horribly complicated thing and needs lots of energy. You just have to turn it into Somebody Else's Problem, in which case the human brain will just filter it out.

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  47. In Case Your Browser Can't Render the Site... by eno2001 · · Score: 2, Informative
    ...properly. Mine couldn't (Firefox 1.5 on Gentoo Linux). I got a bunch of screwed up CSS or something because there was text on top of text. Here's the story, what little there is of a story:

    By Patricia Reaney

    LONDON (Reuters) - It's unlikely to occur by swallowing a pill or donning a special cloak, but invisibility could be possible in the not too distant future, according to research published on Monday.

    Harry Potter accomplished it with his magic cloak. H.G. Wells' Invisible Man swallowed a substance that made him transparent.

    But Dr Ulf Leonhardt, a theoretical physicist at St Andrews University in Scotland, believes the most plausible example is the Invisible Woman, one of the Marvel Comics superheroes in the "Fantastic Four".

    "She guides light around her using a force field in this cartoon. This is what could be done in practice," Leonhardt told Reuters in an interview. "That comes closest to what engineers will probably be able to do in the future."

    Invisibility is an optical illusion that the object or person is not there. Leonhardt uses the example of water circling around a stone. The water flows in, swirls around the stone and then leaves as if nothing was there.

    "If you replace the water with light then you would not see that there was something present because the light is guided around the person or object. You would see the light coming from the scenery behind as if there was nothing in front," he said.

    In the research published in the New Journal of Physics, Leonhardt described the physics of theoretical devices that could create invisibility. It is a follow-up paper to an earlier study published in the journal Science.

    "What the Invisible Woman does is curve space around herself to bend light. What these devices would do is to mimic that curved space," he said.

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  48. Article summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From "The Fucking Article":
    Although the devices are still theoretical,

    End of summary.

  49. another method by ch-chuck · · Score: 1

    Then there's the method used by Ed Bagley Jr. in "Amazon Women on the Moon".

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  50. thinks it might maybe be sort of possible by bryan_is_a_kfo · · Score: 1

    if we had a news story for every concept a theoretical physicist was speculating on, we'd have /.!

  51. A. Einstien III by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've tried to patent this thing three times. Every time I show it to the patent office, and it disappears, I can't find the off switch and I have to go make another one...

  52. play? by deft · · Score: 1

    "Let's just hope that when the invisible woman arrives, she's played more convincingly then Jessica Alba"

    Lets just hope that when there actually IS an invisible woman, she won't have to 'play' anything...

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  53. Re:unrequited humour - channelling Tommy Cooper... by The+Grassy+Knoll · · Score: 1

    "I went to buy some camouflage trousers the other day but I couldn't find any..."

    .

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  54. then than by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Let's just hope that when the invisible woman arrives, she's played more convincingly then Jessica Alba.

    Learn to write, moron. That goes for you too, Taco. Nice editing - do you even spend 2 seconds on it?

  55. That's a common misconception... by schon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "I'm invisible!" convincingly enough.

    Actually, speaking isn't required. The actual technique is waving your hands in front of you and then snap your fingers.

    Of course, it doesn't work when you're wet.

  56. Invisibility by wildsurf · · Score: 4, Funny

    I gave a live demonstration of personal invisibility in high school physics class. I simply didn't show up that day. I got an A++. It was brilliant.

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  57. Yeah, I already know all about that... by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

    ...I read about it in the Invisible Book of Invisibility.

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  58. Invisibility is Easy. by Petersko · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just follow the average slashdotter to a night club.

  59. I tried to get a device like this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but I couldn't find one anywhere

  60. Hope It Does Not Work by Technomonics · · Score: 1

    As we presently define society, invisibility is not something that would be integrated well into our environment. We do not possess the social concious of being able to handle such a concept. We relate many aspects of ours lives to how we perceive things visually. Take away this visual stimulus and we become a society out of control. Privacy would be out the window. Driving would be a nightmare. Any kind of social interaction will become suspect. Invisibility is an answer that should not be solved right now.

  61. How to become invisible by leenoble_uk · · Score: 1

    Big Issue?

  62. Acting Skills by wildsurf · · Score: 1

    Let's just hope that when the invisible woman arrives, she's played more convincingly then[sic] Jessica Alba.

    It' a pretty sad statement to say that an actress can't even decently play an INVISIBLE role.

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  63. Terran Wraith by owlman17 · · Score: 1

    Another way to become invisible.
    1. Build a Starport.
    2. Build a connecting Control Tower.
    3. Upgrade, add cloaking field for your wraiths.
    (Bonus: To stay invisible longer, build an Apollo reactor, gives you +50 energy.)

  64. Yes! HA HA Kudos on that Jessica Alba jab! by cttforsale · · Score: 1

    Yes! HA HA Kudos on that Jessica Alba jab!

  65. Simple: by RyoShin · · Score: 1

    I just have to cover my eyes.

    1. Re:Simple: by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      That way you only can hide from the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal.

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  66. Five steps for becoming invisible by AutopsyReport · · Score: 1

    1) Sign up a Slashdot account.
    2) Check Slashdot multiple times daily.
    3) Slowly become invisible to the outsi...

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  67. Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I KNEW the latest Bond movie was full of crap! Microscopic cameras and displays.. hah

    1. Re:Ha! by bitchell · · Score: 1

      Thats not quite true, there is indeed a tank that was being developed that used the cameras and lcd's to appear invisible.

    2. Re:Ha! by andrewman327 · · Score: 1

      Read the Military.com article I cited. It talks about the possibilities and confirms that there historically has been research going on in this field. The conclusion is that it is not possible.

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    3. Re:Ha! by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Yes, just like human flight, or space flight, or cloned animals. Oh wait.

  68. But seriously... by TheUnknownCoder · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't this device make the person being invisible also blind? If light is going *around* the person, he will not have light going into his eyes, therefore he won't be able to see anything. Am I overlooking (pun intended) something here?

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    1. Re:But seriously... by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I think so.

      I'm not a physicist, but I started as one in college. The wikipedia article on Metamaterials suggest that they have highly unusual properties in terms of electromagnetic wave propagation.

      The layman's example they give is not bad. I'll quote it here:
      Metamaterials with negative N have numerous startling properties:
      1. Snell's law (N1sin?1 = N2sin?2) still applies, but rays refract on the same side of the normal on entering the material.
      2. The Doppler shift is reversed (that is, a light source moving toward an observer appears to reduce its frequency)
      3. Cherenkov radiation points the other way
      4. The group velocity is antiparallel to phase velocity (as opposed to parallel for normal isotropic materials)
      5. Higher frequencies have longer, not shorter, wavelengths in such a material
      6. Such metamaterials follow a left-hand rule. For an illustration in non-technical language of one of the bizarre properties of materials with negative N, consider the following: a person submerged in a swimming pool filled with a hypothetical liquid with negative N would appear to float above the pool instead of appearing to be beneath the surface.


      The physics web article wikipedia links to on invisibility emphasizes that metamaterials allow creation of surfaces for which electromagnetic properties vary point to point. As such, one could imagine an invisibility device that bend 99.999% of light around it, but permits a portion of the area concentrated around one's eyes to have a "half-tone" pattern of negative N and positive N. Furthermore, the light that would enter the eyes here could even potentially start from a variety of places over the surface of the entire invisibility device.

      As such, I'd think what you would get would be very, very, very slight visual distortion; maybe a haze, maybe nothing. Probably nothing visible, anyways; but maybe something you could measure via some kind of broadspectrum radar apparatus.

      And this is just a crude sort of solution from a physics student who gave up mid-college and switched to business ;-)

      Don't think of electromagnetic waves as water waves. It's a convenient analogy to emphasize this "space is curved" business, but it vastly underestimates the complexity of electromagnetism. Furthermore, the "arrow-ray" style light-ray diagrams are misleading; waves only work like that on a macro scale. Those analogies are useful, but don't look at the limitations of those models.

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  69. Re:Doesn't work by deviceb · · Score: 1

    Yes the invisible cloak that harry potter has is just as feasible.
    I mean besides being old news, the science is based on a comic, some water, and a rock~~
    show me some proof.. or wait.. i will not be able to see it /shrug

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  70. Invisible and blind by gr8_phk · · Score: 1

    If there were a way to cause light to bend/reflect/refract around an object from any direction so as to appear ivisible, the person inside such bubble would by definition be blind - at least for the affected wavelengths. Another interesting property of such a bubble is that no light could get out - the path of light is reversible so if nothing gets in then nothing gets out. If all light is directed around, then none gets in or out, simple as that.

  71. Welcome by acu_gumby · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I, for one, welcome our new invisible overlords

  72. You couldn't see anything though... by Tchaik · · Score: 1

    The article states that light would be bent around you, which means it wouldn't reach you at all... Too bad, I do have a very cute neighbour... ;-)

  73. Invisibility for the insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    There's a crazy guy in my old hometown who leaps up and down in the city centre screaming "I'm invisible!". Of course, everyone completely ignores him, which fuels his fantasy that he really is...

    http://www.gutenberg.org/files/5230/5230.txt

    I think we should pursue H.G. Wells' theory:

    "You make the glass invisible by putting it into a liquid of nearly
    the same refractive index; a transparent thing becomes invisible if
    it is put in any medium of almost the same refractive index. And if
    you will consider only a second, you will see also that the powder
    of glass might be made to vanish in air, if its refractive index
    could be made the same as that of air; for then there would be no
    refraction or reflection as the light passed from glass to air."

    "...the whole fabric of a man except the red of his blood and the black
    pigment of hair, are all made up of transparent, colourless tissue.
    So little suffices to make us visible one to the other. For the
    most part the fibres of a living creature are no more opaque than
    water."

    1. Re:Invisibility for the insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We just happen to have a lot of blood all over the place (so that's the pink in my fingers) and a lot of melanin. Even bloodless melaninless things like fingernails are quite visible though.

      The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali gives a recipie for invisibility. It comes as a bit of a surprise for the reader to find that (in fact a whole chapter of "Sidhis" like it). The only gotcha though is that you can't want it.

      People have drawn similarities between perfection in science as a sidhi, and "All The Nasty Things Going On With It(tm)" as what happens if you ignore the advice about not wanting it for its own sake.

  74. Protoss Arbiter by armanox · · Score: 1

    Just be in the range of a Protoss Arbiter - they cloak everything but other Arbiters. The Arbiters remain visible due to the massive khydarian energy required to fuel the field - the Khydarian disrupts the field immediatly about the Aribiter rendering it visible. Works sorta like electric fields, when you think about it. (Think electric fields in various surfaces, esp conducting shells.

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  75. but the invisible one will not see anything! by shura57 · · Score: 1

    The problem is, if such device is made, the invisible woman will be blind. No light will reach her eyes, because if some does then it some absorbed on the retina and cannot be "bypassed" around anymore. So instead of a powerful invisible person we get a handciapped individual, whose position is especially bad because nobody can help her, 'cause the can't be seen!

  76. Invisible like Predator by a_nonamiss · · Score: 1

    I think invisibility will eventually be achieved, but it will be something like in the movie Predator. The special effects used for his 'invisibility' was actually very accurate. It didn't really make him invisible, but bent the light around him to make him very hard to see. Doesn't violate the laws of physics, and would be highly effective in most situations. In reality, I don't even think it would be that difficult to implement. (relatively speaking.)

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  77. Re:Doesn't work by inazuma-uk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is very different tech to using a webcam/display to create the illusion of invisibility. This method uses exotic nanophotonic materials, such as arrays of tiny gold pillars which cause the material to have a negative refractive index, thus bending light in very strange ways compared to standard optical materials (the opposite direction to what you would expect). By creating a sheet of this material to the requiired size and with the optical properties it will redirect radiation around the object it is covering with no apparent distortion. almost like a bundle of optical fibres redirecting light around the object. Do a search for nanophotonics and photonic metamaterials for more details on this very interesting and extremely popular topic for research in nonlinear optics. Negative refraction can also be used for other things such as beating the diffraction limit in microscopy and may eventually find its way into the production of smaller transistors/components for microelectronic devices.

  78. A Nightmare in the Making -- end of M.A.D. by cpu_fusion · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Stealth technology, whether invisibility to radar, visual light, or whatever, scares the crap out of me when combined with missle-intercept tech.

    Mutual Assured Destruction has kept the nuclear powers-that-be in check for 60 years. A country that feels it has the technology to intercept incoming missles, and massively surprise its enemy (using stealth as discussed in this article), ... well that country might just decide it has to strike first, before its enemy achieves similar capabilities and makes the same judgement call.

    Think about it. Your military advisers tell you that 1) you can intercept incoming missles (even from subs), and 2) deliver missles without being detected. In essence, they are saying you could launch a preemptive nuclear strike with mostly political, not military, consequences.

    You are also advised that in a few years your enemy will have sufficient tecnology to do the same.

    Suddenly M.A.D. is out the window, and replaced with a "whomever strikes first wins" scenario.

    Put three guys in a room (U.S., China, Russia) blindfolded. Tell them the first that leaves the room will live, and the rest will die, but if they all stay put, they will all live. Then tell them there is unlimited power for the first one out the door. What do you think will happen?

    1. Re:A Nightmare in the Making -- end of M.A.D. by anglozaxxon · · Score: 0

      For a second there, I thought you were talking about Doctor Claw.

    2. Re:A Nightmare in the Making -- end of M.A.D. by oGMo · · Score: 1

      Eh. I wouldn't worry about it. I'm guessing that any invisibility technology isn't going to be perfectly invisible. For instance, a missile outputs quite a bit of energy to move. Will your invisibility technology cloak heat? What sort of energy output is required for that? And will it not be vulnerable to forms of detection itself?

      We're talking about invisibility to the human eye, or so at least the article implies. Unaided human eyes aren't going to be doing missile detection and interception.

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    3. Re:A Nightmare in the Making -- end of M.A.D. by Amazing+Proton+Boy · · Score: 1

      M.A.D. is never out the window for superpowers. The system was designed with exactly this sort of scenario in mind. Most of the nuclear launch infrastructure is hardened and can survive a first strike. In your scenario country A would launch a "stealth" strike. About 5 minutes after detonation country B would launch a full counter strike. Neither country would "win".

    4. Re:A Nightmare in the Making -- end of M.A.D. by izomiac · · Score: 1

      MAD is nice while it lasts, but IMHO it's certainly not sustainable. First of all, MAD relies on a massively disproportionate amount of offensive power compared to defensive power. But, any big technological breakthough in defensive technology would eliminate MAD. Secondly, WWII era technology is becoming easier and easier to obtain. So more and more countries will eventually have nukes. Are you sure we should be in MAD with some of them? Say you have some nuclear power with some psycho dictator that is delusional enough, or suicidal enough to launch despite MAD? Or what if some weird circumstances cause a nuke to be launched by mistake (wasn't there a movie about some missile sub almost doing this?). Besides, I'd prefer a military that could protect me, not just get revenge for me after I die.

    5. Re:A Nightmare in the Making -- end of M.A.D. by NightHwk1 · · Score: 1

      Dr. Strangelove
      (though I don't think there are any subs involved)

    6. Re:A Nightmare in the Making -- end of M.A.D. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Put three guys in a room (U.S., China, Russia) blindfolded. Tell them the first that leaves the room will live, and the rest will die, but if they all stay put, they will all live. Then tell them there is unlimited power for the first one out the door. What do you think will happen?

      I think it happens like this:

      Immediately, everyone takes off their blindfolds, while agreeing to keep them on. The American demands that the other two sign a Non-Room Exiting Treaty, while edging quietly towards the door. The Russian and the Chinese guy both simultaneously attack the American with knives and clubs, who shots them both with his handgun, but then dies of his wounds.

      Then some guy walks into the room to tell them all about some social experiment involving blindfolds, unlimited power, and certain conditions on leaving the room, but by then they're all dead anyway...

    7. Re:A Nightmare in the Making -- end of M.A.D. by Pvt_Waldo · · Score: 1
      Put three guys in a room (U.S., China, Russia) blindfolded. Tell them the first that leaves the room will live, and the rest will die, but if they all stay put, they will all live. Then tell them there is unlimited power for the first one out the door. What do you think will happen?


      They will argue about what kind of takeout to order?
    8. Re:A Nightmare in the Making -- end of M.A.D. by susano_otter · · Score: 1

      The U.S. will win, on account of having the technological lead.

      Everybody in America is rewarded for retaining their citizenship and contributing to the economic, technological, and military advancement of their chosen state, and everybody in Russia and China will be punished for backing the losing horses.

      Just as it has been for all of human history.

      And as an added bonus, the nuclear war will actually be swift and limited in scope, rather than being a two- or three-way free-for-all that destroys all life on the planet.

      Actually, what I think is more likely is that Russia and China will avoid overly antagonizing America, for exactly as long as it takes for them to cripple the U.S. through economic and/or diplomatic strategies. Then they will attempt exactly the kind of play that scares you so much.

      Actually, what I think is most likely of all is that so long as America retains the technological edge in this area, the scenario you fear will never come to pass.

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    9. Re:A Nightmare in the Making -- end of M.A.D. by Bastian · · Score: 1

      Luckily, we have satellites for detecting ICBM launches work in the IR spectrum (well I assume we use lots of techniques). I believe infrared radiation is a lot harder to hide than visible light.

    10. Re:A Nightmare in the Making -- end of M.A.D. by dbIII · · Score: 1
      scares the crap out of me when combined with missle-intercept tech
      Missile intercept tech doesn't work properly anyway. In the earlier Gulf War an Iraeli report on the patriot missile intercept system said there was no proof that it had shot down a single low tech scud missile. As for the laser system that everyone was saying was real and could even shoot down artillery shells - we haven't heard a thing about it on the Lebanese border over the last few weeks have we? Unfortunately the technology is still at the confidence trickster stage (eg. the rigged tests in the pacific shooting down a missile with a radio beacon on board leading to sales of unfinished systems) and not yet at the working stage. The Star Wars project never worked, so we don't have to worry on the point above.

      As for the possibility of a preemptive nuclear strike with mostly political, not military, consequences - that was the 1983 situation and the option of the US conducting a limited nuclear war in Europe. There were people in the USSR with their fingers on the button that year during the NATO exercise under the suspicion that it would turn into something real because of a few silly things Reagan said and the USSR going through a change of leadership. Some people say that was when the USSR decided to do something about the end of the cold war - others say things were already changing and a Polish trade union had a lot more to do with it than leaders in the USSR and USA.

  79. good point.... by Joseph+Hayes · · Score: 1

    Maybe it would come bundled with some sort of little flying drone(s) (maybe resembling an insect?) to beam a TV signal to an eyepiece worn by the invisible person. With some practice, one might be able to navigate to say, Jessica Alba's changing room.

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  80. I can be invisible /now/ by that definition by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

    If standing inside a huge non-invisible device to bend light around you counts as being invisible, I'll just take my "Cloak of Invisibility"[==normal blanket] and get going to the patent office.

    This article is about blocking EM from sensitive equipment. Stop shouting "invisible!"

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  81. Then ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's just hope that when the invisible woman arrives, she's played more convincingly then Jessica Alba.

    Then Jessica Alba what?

  82. Quake 1 solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make everything invisible except the eyeballs.

  83. Infrared visibility still a problem by swb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even if you don't pass IR into the invisibility field, there's still likely to be detectable elements of the heat signature or other items radiated/expelled from the cloak that it still wouldn't render you undetectable. Ie, if I made a vehicle visually invisible its still likely to emit exhaust or a big EMF field from electric motors, people breathe, exhaling heat and CO2, etc.

    "Invisibility" as defined as not providing a reflected-light image is the least significant part of the problem without also providing some way of eliminating other physical detection. It might be useful if you were cloaking a sealed, inanimate object that had no EMF or other signatures detectable, but I'm not sure it'd be cost effective against other low-tech methods for simply hiding something or otherwise camouflaging it.

    1. Re:Infrared visibility still a problem by LouisZepher · · Score: 1

      if I made a vehicle visually invisible its still likely to emit exhaust or a big EMF field from electric motors, people breathe, exhaling heat and CO2, etc.

      Not to mention, an invisible aircraft carrier would make a pretty sizable dent in the water...

    2. Re:Infrared visibility still a problem by cnettel · · Score: 1

      What about an invisible Bird of Prey in Golden Gate Park?

    3. Re:Infrared visibility still a problem by RMB2 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure you're totally missing the point.

      There are no infrared or EMF detectors in the girls locker room.

      The only "detectors" to worry about are the cheerleaders' eyes.

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  84. Re:Doesn't work by andrewman327 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I understand that that is the technology behind this, but can you imagine it being used in the field? Could soldiers run around and shoot while wearing these suits? Could tanks still fire their weapons if coated in this? What happens when they got dirty? It has been known to happen in wartime. Practically I think that the ghillie suit is superior in war when people do not want to be seen.

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  85. Oblig. Soviet Russia by snowwrestler · · Score: 1

    So all I gotta do is carry a black hole in my pocket. That's gotta suck...

    It wouldn't be long before black hole carries you!

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  86. Somebody Else's Problem by Denver_80203 · · Score: 1

    obligator H2H2 post

  87. Re:Doesn't work by inazuma-uk · · Score: 1

    I agree with you on the soldiers front. However, it wouldn't be too difficult to work in a similar way to current stealth technology on aircraft (once thay have made the materials!) and only working over a small wavelength range (at which radar operates). This technology is most likely to be used for RF shielding and applications other than invisibility. The invisibility aspect of these materials is very much a 'get the general public interested' tactic to help get research grants.At the present moment the idea of using this tech for making humans invisible is a long way off. Current samples of nanophotonic materials are generally very small due to the difficulty in manufacturing them.

  88. Re: Your sig... by camperdave · · Score: 1

    William Shatner can be neither created nor destroyed.

    How about "William Shatner... can be... neither created... nor destroyed."?

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  89. Wheel of cheese by Bob+Gelumph · · Score: 4, Funny

    None of this explains how to make things appear to be two hobos fighting over a wheel of cheese.

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  90. a potion? by krotkruton · · Score: 1

    And its not going to be a potion

    hmm... I wonder if there were a lot of people who actually thought it would be a potion?

  91. Strong Bad's take... by beemishboy · · Score: 1

    Here is Strong Bad's take on invisibility.

    "My chocolates! Come back, chocolates! I didn't mean what I said..."

  92. Re:The only invisble thing here is the editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    To me, clear communication is more important than spelling.

    Sorry, that should read:

    To me, clear communication IS more impotent, then spelling.
  93. Origin of 'may' by Improv · · Score: 1

    The origin of that 'may' depends on how much scotch he is on at the moment. Plenty of scotch = absolutely possible. Sober (rare) = not possible. Usually it's in-between :)

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  94. They use them on vehicles already by Tweekster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In some standoff in the middle of nowhere the ATF used one of these. The vehicle had fiber optics on pointed on each side. It made the vehicle invisible (the movement basically looked like heat waves on the horizon). They drove an armored personnel carrier within 20ft of the front door. lets just say it suprised the hell out of the gunman standing by the front door.

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    1. Re:They use them on vehicles already by nasch · · Score: 1

      Reference?

    2. Re:They use them on vehicles already by Tweekster · · Score: 1

      discovery channel about 3 years ago?

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    3. Re:They use them on vehicles already by geekoid · · Score: 1

      as a 'prospect' of what might be able to be done.

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    4. Re:They use them on vehicles already by Tweekster · · Score: 1

      No as a "hey we did this out in montana to some nutjob"

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  95. Camera and Screen by jimcooncat · · Score: 1

    What's so hard about this? Carry a camera on one side of you, and a big frameless plasma screen on the other. And lots of batteries on your back.

  96. Of course this is old news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    after all, we've had invisible tape for years.

  97. The best way to become invisible... by The+Great+Pretender · · Score: 1
    is to become a professor of theoretical physics at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland.

    Now what was his name again...

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  98. though it *could* be a potion by brock+bitumen · · Score: 1

    reading the brilliant fantasy novel "The Singularity is Near" by Ray Kurzweil lately. He talks about nano machines that are ingested to provide tracking functions, they disperse amongst your cells and reside within them. Now take this tech and design a nano machine that will take up residence in skin cells, create an intelligent network amongst them (perhaps using the nervous system for communication?) and deliver the light signals from the opposite side of the body to each machine's "complement" (much the same way the cloaks and fiber optic systems work now). now: invisibility, from nano machines dissolved in solution, a potion. my guess (using the patented PullItFromMyAss technique), circa 2045.

  99. Re:Doesn't work by andrewman327 · · Score: 1

    Doesn't modern RAM (RADAR Absorbing Material, not the DDR2 kind) do a good enough job of disrupting radar? Just look at the specs for the F-22.

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  100. Where did that darn thing go? by gort79 · · Score: 1

    You know that everyone's going to be saying "ARG! I can't find my invisibility device again!" Maybe they should also invent the White Outline device like Wonder Woman had for her Invisible Jet.

  101. They Forgot One Thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The article talks about bending the light around a person or object so that an observer sees the light from behind them, which makes sense. What they DON'T address is that the person or object will still be reflecting light of their own, so unless that light is blocked, you will end up with a blended image of the person and the stuff behind them. Eerie, but not invisible.

    The device could obviously be combined with something else to block the light, but it does bare mentioning that that won't be trivial either.

    I'd still rather have the jetpack from yesterday (with the amazingly hokey website! He can invent a jetpack but can't take a few decent pictures???)

    Keep passing the open windows!

    1. Re:They Forgot One Thing... by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      The article talks about bending the light around a person or object so that an observer sees the light from behind them, which makes sense. What they DON'T address is that the person or object will still be reflecting light of their own, so unless that light is blocked, you will end up with a blended image of the person and the stuff behind them.

      If you bend all light coming at a person around them, none hits them, thus they don't reflect any. This would have to work for all light coming from all angles to make a person invisible. Most people do not radiate any light themselves. I think you've misunderstood the idea.

  102. Re:The only invisble thing here is the editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You misspelled "possessive."

  103. To be invisible get on two wheels by philwebs · · Score: 1

    Its easy to be invisible and painful to proove.

    Get on two wheels, powered or unpowered, ride in traffic and sooner rather than later you will find yourself splatered on the road or otherwise taken out.

    Once off the bike and injured the response is always the same. Sorry mate didnt see you.

    Nuff said.

  104. Somebody Else's Problem field by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

    Just paint the mountain pink and convince them it's not their problem.

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  105. Always wanted an invisible tin foil hat ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The devices could be used as protection mechanisms so the radiation emitted from mobile phones does not penetrate electronic equipment. It is guided around it.

    Looks like that is possible now (replace electronic equipment with tin foil hat wearer's brain or simply paranoid nerd).

  106. Re:Doesn't work by Rob+Kaper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Could tanks still fire their weapons if coated in this?

    Come on lad, Birds of Prey cannot fire when they are cloaked. That's Trek 101, basically.

  107. Easier way... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1
    ...to be invisible.

    I was watching Futurama the other day and Bender said that instead of Leela trying to find a man with only one eye, it would be easier for her to find a nice guy with two eyes and poke one of them out...

    That got me thinking...

    Damn, I'd need a lot of forks (or blindfolds for the squeamish).

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  108. After an accident with the device by Kamineko · · Score: 1
    Nurse: Doctor, there's a man outside who's had an accident with an invisibility device, and he needs your help!


    Doctor: Tell him I can't see him right now.

  109. Like water around a stone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While this may be an apt description, water around a stone still creates turbulence that is detectable. I suspect that invisibility would be similar. You would see an area of distortion, much like the Predator in the Predator movies. It was still visible by the distortion, but much harder to pick out from the background. While not perfect, still highly useful for many occasions.

  110. Other links on that page. by Stoutlimb · · Score: 1

    Forget foofy speculation.

    I was more interested in some of the real articles linked from that page, such as "Chemicals in curry, onions may shrink colon polyps". I sit so long at my computer, it really aggravates my hemmeroids. Talk about news for nerds, and stuff that matters!

    bORK!

  111. Re:Doesn't work by andrewman327 · · Score: 1
    How could I have been so daft? I guess I need to hit the Holodeck for some more training before I can take the bridge.


    I wonder how many of these military scientists are Treckies.

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  112. "played more convincingly then Jessica Alba." by l3v1 · · Score: 1

    played more convincingly then Jessica Alba.

    Hell, if that woman would be looking like Jessica Alba, then I sure wouldn't want her to be invisible, and I sure wouldn't care how convincingly she'd play anything :)

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  113. Re:Doesn't work by drn8 · · Score: 0
    Old news! Wired [wired.com] ran this story three years ago. The technology isn't any more advanced now than it was then. Military.com [military.com] published an extremely informative guide to invisibility last year. Much better than TFA.
    TFA actually refers to different technology then was mentioned in your links.
  114. No, your retinae would not be visible. by SnowDog74 · · Score: 1

    Several posts have debated the issue of whether or not you could see if your retinae were invisible.

    The issue here is being confused between points of view. If the objective of invisibility is, as I assume it would be, to be invisible to others and not invisible to one's self... then what's being convoluted in this debate is the fact that there's a difference of vectors between the light that is reflected back to you and the light that is reflected back to outside observers to whom you want to be invisible.

    Consider that in order for you to see, light need only strike your retinae. It doesn't need to reflect back out to the outside observer for YOU to see. Therefore, whatever external mechanism... be it a cloak or a negative refraction index superlens (which, though they don't really clarify it in the article, is the technology to which they refer), that mechanism is being employed in this scenario to disperse the pathways of light that would normally reflect back to others... but you're behind the mechanism, so think of it as standing on the nonreflecting (translucent) side of a two-way mirror... that is, for lack of a more accurate analogy, what standing behind the refraction point of a superlens would be like.

    However, conventional optics A normal lens will bend light traveling to it in both directions, within the diffraction limit. A mirror will bend light back in the direction from which it came (to an angle of reflection equal and opposite the angle of incidence), within the diffraction limit. A superlens, however, can bend light in directions not bound by the diffraction limit... the focus or diffusion of which can be manipulated electronically.

    The light reflecting off you back to other observers is bent, not the light reflecting off OTHER objects TO you. The fact that your smooth retinal surfaces occasionally do reflect light has absolutely nothing to do with how you see. That surface has to actually be somewhat transparent because the rods and cones that collect light and transmit it via the optic nerve to the brain are BEHIND, not in front of, the reflective retinal membrane. This is of course one reason why human vision is far from perfect.

  115. Invisiblity in groups would suck by anvilmark · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One thing people always forget is how much social co-operation is involved when moving around/though other people. People don't try and walk though you in a crowd. On a battlefield, you don't shoot in a particular direction because a friendly is there. You don't change lanes on the motorway because you know there's a car present or is overtaking you.

    Individual invisibility breaks these cooperative behaviors. If there's an opening in a crowd, someone will probably try and use it. Soldiers/tanks will shoot at targets without respect for their invisible buddy in the line of fire. How many times have you changed course in a crowd and bumped into someone because you thought that direction was clear? An invisible person would have to be continuously watching everyone around him to dodge out of their way.

  116. Maybe really fat chicks can bend light! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Possibly extremely fat chicks can bend light with the mass that they displace rendering them invisible.

    Or...

    Scotty should have another drink and be quite.

  117. Re:The only invisble thing here is the editing by c_forq · · Score: 1

    Hehe... he called communitcation more impotent then spelling. Hehe... impotent...

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  118. More Information by jonathansizz · · Score: 1

    The professor was unavailable for comment.

    Witnesses report that he was last seen heading across campus in the direction of the women's locker rooms..

  119. Re:Doesn't work by TrixX · · Score: 1

    Even more, if it works as it sounds (sending light around the hidden person/object) that means that no light is reaching inside the invisibility shell. So, whatever is inside that shell will be completely blind.

  120. James Bond's car was invisible by scharkalvin · · Score: 1

    In one of the recent James Bond movies he had a car that became
    invisible by use of cameras and projectors. The car projected an image
    seen from one side of the car onto the side facing the other way.
    In this way no matter how you looked at the car it was like you
    were looking through it. At least that's how Q described it.
    Active camafloge sorta.

  121. Re: Three guys by Jeff+Molby · · Score: 1
    Put three guys in a room (U.S., China, Russia) blindfolded. Tell them the first that leaves the room will live, and the rest will die, but if they all stay put, they will all live. Then tell them there is unlimited power for the first one out the door. What do you think will happen?
    They all agree to walk to the center of the room and hold hands. Eventually, they begin singing Kumbaya to pass the time.
  122. Huh? by The+Creator · · Score: 1

    Who said that?

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  123. Re:The only invisble thing here is the editing by WED+Fan · · Score: 1
    To me, Clear Com is more impotent than Tori Spelling.

    What, are, you, on, aboot, u, maroon?!!

    This, being slashdot, and highly g33k4 u be down an be hating on wut it is we be written?

    Sorry, channeling my Digg profile.

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  124. What's on the ground? by Will2k_is_here · · Score: 1

    If some "bubble" capable of bending light were invented, what would others see right where you are standing? Just an empty shadow?

  125. um by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1
    Let's just hope that when the invisible woman arrives, she's played more convincingly than Jessica Alba.

    I don't want her to be invisible. Naked, maybe.

  126. One of the challenges in doing it by the_odin · · Score: 0

    One of the challenges in accomplishing invisibility, will be your own visability. If all light is bending around you, and no photons are making their way to your retina, then how do you see?....

    You would have to use some alternative spectrum?.... maybe uv would work?

  127. If she looks like Jessica Alba... by toby · · Score: 1

    ...I'd prefer she was visible.

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  128. Re:The only invisble thing here is the editing by KarateExplosions · · Score: 1

    Not to mention: "Slashdot" should have been capitalized. "English" should have been capitalized. "Slashdot", once again, should have been capitalized. "Possessive" was spelled incorrectly. "Nazis" should be capitalized. "Third-grade" should be hyphenated. "Dropouts" should be considered all one word, or hyphenated.

  129. That's funny by QuantumFTL · · Score: 1

    I just don't see how this could be possible...

  130. This has already been achieved by ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...motorcyclists for the past 80 years.

  131. Meryl Streep - a subtle actress? by Savatte · · Score: 1

    I don't think so. She's more in the style of Edward Norton, someone who doesn't let the movie get in the way of her performance. Brian Cox and Chloe Sevigny, now those are some subtle actors.

  132. Other recent coverage by Arbitor+Elegantorum · · Score: 1

    There was also a good piece on the invisibility question about 2 weeks ago in Science News , my favorite technical magazine. Its way better than any jerk wire-service story.

    1. Re:Other recent coverage by andrewman327 · · Score: 1

      Good article, though I prefer the Military.com piece because it more directly addresses the tactical possibilities of the technology.

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  133. One slight problem... by Matilda+the+Hun · · Score: 1

    If the light's bending around you, how are you supposed to see? Either the light hits you and you can see, or it doesn't and you're stumbling around blind and invisible...

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  134. I'm already invisible by ggpauly · · Score: 1

    to women under 30.

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  135. Solar Flares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This type of technology offers an important possiblity that I have yet to see mentioned--protection from solar flares and cosmic radiation while on long space flights, such as to say Mars.

  136. Re:The only invisble thing here is the editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is communitcation?

  137. Re:Doesn't work by RevWhite · · Score: 1

    You know, I hadn't thought of that. In that case, I can only imagine that this would be useful for creating sensory deprivation tanks when combined with some form of sound insulation.

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  138. A partial solution? by dazlari · · Score: 1

    I hear breast enhancement can make a womans face disappear.
    Though, apparently, it only works on men.
    So I hear anyway. Hmmm, food for thought.

  139. A better way to do it by Herby+Sagues · · Score: 1

    A better way to become invisible is not to bend light but to change it's frequency. For example you could (energy and health problems aside) create a field that multiples the light frequency in some specific way (for example, divides wavelenght by 50) so your body becomes transparent to it since it is in the X-Ray range. Then, when the light comes out of the field it is returned to the visible spectra. Or photons could be transformed into large quantities of non interacting particles (such as neutrinos) and then back to light. That way you are invisible and the system doesn't have to bend light and then get it back in the direction and exact line it was going for every possible point in the covered area and in every direction at the same time (the problem with current cloaking devices, they only work from a specific angle). As for how to see, the system could implement a smaller field surrounding your eyes doing the inverse process. If it is working for some small fraction of the particles (something like 10%) your eyes would be barely visible, and you would still be able to see in a well lit environment.

  140. Ancient technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yogis have been turning invisible for thousands of years. You can do it too! Everything you need to know is contained in the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali. My favourite is the edition by Swami Satchitananda. Get into it! It's the ultimate hi-tech!

  141. Besides that... by Atario · · Score: 1
    Let's just hope that when the invisible woman arrives, she's played more convincingly than Jessica Alba.
    Who played Jessica Alba unconvincingly? I wasn't aware anything had been made about her...
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  142. what do we see when we look at the invisible obj? by gr8dude · · Score: 1

    If the invisible object does not reflect light, and absorbs it instead, what will the outsiders see when looking at it? A dark spot?

    We expect the invisible object to be 100% transparent, such that by looking through it we'll see the things behind it. But since the approach being discussed is not about transparency, it employs the absorbtion or rays instead.....

    Who can explain?

  143. Has nobody noticed... by Alby · · Score: 1

    ...that it works both ways? "Wow, I'm invisible! Only I can't go anywhere or do anything because I can't see where I'm going."

  144. Threat title by jr0dy · · Score: 1

    Is it just me, or should have mdm42 posted this under the title "How to Disappear Completely"?

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  145. Re:Doesn't work by OS24Ever · · Score: 1

    It's an energy distribution problem, and last I checked the tanks had not been equiped with Type III or Type IV phasers, and still use projectiles. So it'd be safe to assume they'd be able to fire. however I'm sure the puff of smoke from the proectile launch would give their position away.

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  146. Re:what do we see when we look at the invisible ob by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

    If the invisible object does not reflect light, and absorbs it instead, what will the outsiders see when looking at it? A dark spot?

    Yes. Lack of light looks like something black.

    But since the approach being discussed is not about transparency, it employs the absorbtion or rays instead.....

    The article I read talked about bending light waves around an object, like water moving around a rock in a stream, except with water flowing towards it in all directions simultaneously. I'm not sure where you got the idea that this was about absorbing them.

  147. WHAT ABOUT INFRARED? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    water flows in, swirls around the stone and then leaves as if nothing was there.

    "If you replace the water with light then you would not see that there was something present because the light is guided around the person or object.

    Maybe a silly question (I ain't no theoretical physicist), but the average body temperature being 98.6F, how do they propose to hide that? It seems the article is strictly talking naked-eye visibility, but this will not be of much help in a military application.
  148. invisiblity maybe possible by karupa · · Score: 1

    to be optimistic, invisibility will be possible, but not anytime soon. current advances in optical technology are not leading us anywhere to that goal. while talking about bending light, its therotically possible. but the practical difficulties would be too many to even describe... which makes me wonder - what is the the big deal in becoming invisible?

  149. Invisible vs. Transparent by minimii · · Score: 1

    How can they create something that's invisible, when they don't even know the difference between invisible and transparent? I know, maybe my knowledge and undestanding of these two concepts differs from you english people, but "Invisible" only means material or object, that does not reflect light at all. Transparent means material or object, that does reflect light, so the eye believes there is nothing there. I do understand the "philosophical" flaw of my point of the view. If object does not reflect light, eye can tell where and by the shape of the object, what it is, therefor making it less invisible. But even if your brain can add things up and tell you things about the object, the object itself remains invisible..so there is no flaw.