"Personally it feels like a battle to "win" a game for the open-source crowd, instead of preserving Ryzom as an outstanding model of MMORPGs - which has been created through a focused and truly dedicated effort:/"
I have to agree with that. Especially with the FSF jumping on board it seems like a grab for something just so people can say "Look, a "free as in freedom (although funnily enough not as in beer for the main server)" MMORPG on Linux with graphixzomg!11" rather than a serious attempt to preserve Ryzom and continue its development. If it were just the code being put under GPL and the art/music/etc. being put under a restrictive license so it could only be used for Ryzom, then I would feel more confident about this. I think we can kiss goodbye to Ryzom as a game and a unique (in some sense) world if this really does work out.
But hey, maybe I'm just pessimistic. One question which I haven't seen the answer too (probably because I'm lazy and don't search), if this 'project' fails... everyone who donated gets a refund right?:)
Well there's little reason for them to make a linux client while there's Cedega (and wine too). It's nice to see that Blizzard don't 'hate linux' as some people claimed, and show that they do care about their users. It's been what? 6 days since the ban, all of which have been credited back to the user, plus they gave another 2 weeks credit which they didn't have to do. Way to go Blizzard!
Any trivial changes (like version number inside the file) _are_ automatically merged correctly requiring no manual input - aka no screw ups. I believe apt does the same thing, but it just doesn't tell you (For system files generally, not fstab in particular if at all). Assuming you're running the testing branch and so you do have quite a lot of/etc files to update, it's still unlikely you'll make a mistake as long as you know what you're doing. Gentoo _has_ improved on this over the last year(s) however, and I do remember screwing my whole system when I was a newbie to Gentoo many years ago with a fstab update (and other etc files), so prehaps things have just improved a lot since you last tried it?
I believe there was a 'Genbuntu' idea floating around to have a mix of Gentoo and Ubuntu. There's a thread in the Ubuntu forums somewhere...
*points out that if you used the stable branch of Gentoo you wouldn't have hundreds of diff files to sort through*
*also points out that if you RTM you would know not to blindly overwrite files like fstab (which rarely need any manual updating)*
I am a fan of apt though. It's very nice:)
Too true. I suppose it's a fair improvement then.;) Some of the core packages that Sarge uses are over three years old however (e.g. glibc), and even though they are patched quite a bit it's quite antiquated in areas. Etch uses packages which were released a fair bit closer to its release date.
It's nice to see Etch moving closer towards release, it's been too long since Sarge imo. Although there's a new shiny installer which seems to give lots of (easy) control over how you set up your system, there seems little else other than updated packages. This might not be a bad thing however, if the time taken between the Sarge release and this one has been put into making a generally rock solid distro. For many people, being able to rely on having no stability problems is very important. So I think Debian should stick to this path. Moving towards making it user friendly for the linux newbie as the article suggests isn't a good plan unless they have devs sitting around with nothing to do. There are plenty of distros out there which provide for these people (e.g. Ubuntu).
The biggest reason that people are starting to take this proposal seriously is because it predicts the masses of the fundermental particles to within the accuracy of experimental error. Our current standard model only gets between 1 and 10% close to this accurate. I'm sure without this fact the theory could just be dismissed.
I think some people here, and also other news sites reporting this are viewing the multidimensional thing incorrectly as well. You won't suddenly disappear with a pop into some wormhole looking thing. If you were on board a craft like this or watching from outside then everything would appear pretty normal... just the physics behind it are working in 8 dimensions. I'm all for an experiment once the guys now working on this get a good theory published. The new scientist article explains all this pretty well and it's quite understandable.
But still... you'd have to make a magnetic field 500,000x as strong as earths to repel earths gravity, and more to get 'anti-gravity', which I don't really think is easy to do on a large scale with the materials we have.
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"Personally it feels like a battle to "win" a game for the open-source crowd, instead of preserving Ryzom as an outstanding model of MMORPGs - which has been created through a focused and truly dedicated effort
I have to agree with that. Especially with the FSF jumping on board it seems like a grab for something just so people can say "Look, a "free as in freedom (although funnily enough not as in beer for the main server)" MMORPG on Linux with graphixzomg!11" rather than a serious attempt to preserve Ryzom and continue its development. If it were just the code being put under GPL and the art/music/etc. being put under a restrictive license so it could only be used for Ryzom, then I would feel more confident about this. I think we can kiss goodbye to Ryzom as a game and a unique (in some sense) world if this really does work out.
But hey, maybe I'm just pessimistic. One question which I haven't seen the answer too (probably because I'm lazy and don't search), if this 'project' fails... everyone who donated gets a refund right?
Well there's little reason for them to make a linux client while there's Cedega (and wine too). It's nice to see that Blizzard don't 'hate linux' as some people claimed, and show that they do care about their users. It's been what? 6 days since the ban, all of which have been credited back to the user, plus they gave another 2 weeks credit which they didn't have to do. Way to go Blizzard!
Any trivial changes (like version number inside the file) _are_ automatically merged correctly requiring no manual input - aka no screw ups. I believe apt does the same thing, but it just doesn't tell you (For system files generally, not fstab in particular if at all). Assuming you're running the testing branch and so you do have quite a lot of /etc files to update, it's still unlikely you'll make a mistake as long as you know what you're doing. Gentoo _has_ improved on this over the last year(s) however, and I do remember screwing my whole system when I was a newbie to Gentoo many years ago with a fstab update (and other etc files), so prehaps things have just improved a lot since you last tried it?
I believe there was a 'Genbuntu' idea floating around to have a mix of Gentoo and Ubuntu. There's a thread in the Ubuntu forums somewhere...
*points out that if you used the stable branch of Gentoo you wouldn't have hundreds of diff files to sort through* *also points out that if you RTM you would know not to blindly overwrite files like fstab (which rarely need any manual updating)* I am a fan of apt though. It's very nice :)
Too true. I suppose it's a fair improvement then. ;) Some of the core packages that Sarge uses are over three years old however (e.g. glibc), and even though they are patched quite a bit it's quite antiquated in areas. Etch uses packages which were released a fair bit closer to its release date.
It's nice to see Etch moving closer towards release, it's been too long since Sarge imo. Although there's a new shiny installer which seems to give lots of (easy) control over how you set up your system, there seems little else other than updated packages. This might not be a bad thing however, if the time taken between the Sarge release and this one has been put into making a generally rock solid distro. For many people, being able to rely on having no stability problems is very important. So I think Debian should stick to this path. Moving towards making it user friendly for the linux newbie as the article suggests isn't a good plan unless they have devs sitting around with nothing to do. There are plenty of distros out there which provide for these people (e.g. Ubuntu).
The biggest reason that people are starting to take this proposal seriously is because it predicts the masses of the fundermental particles to within the accuracy of experimental error. Our current standard model only gets between 1 and 10% close to this accurate. I'm sure without this fact the theory could just be dismissed. I think some people here, and also other news sites reporting this are viewing the multidimensional thing incorrectly as well. You won't suddenly disappear with a pop into some wormhole looking thing. If you were on board a craft like this or watching from outside then everything would appear pretty normal... just the physics behind it are working in 8 dimensions. I'm all for an experiment once the guys now working on this get a good theory published. The new scientist article explains all this pretty well and it's quite understandable. But still... you'd have to make a magnetic field 500,000x as strong as earths to repel earths gravity, and more to get 'anti-gravity', which I don't really think is easy to do on a large scale with the materials we have.