Severe weather hit the area. They shutdown Surry Power Station in Surry County, Virginia after a tornado took the power out that powers the power station.
Of course we all know that the not-cloud would have been impervious to that.
So, when you respond to a message - and quote the original text text - which says "I know this is different", you think the best response is to say "you idiot, it's different!"?
Actually what I said was 'you sound like an idiot', and then I went on to explain why.
Tonight's homework for you is to read and learn the definition of irony.
I did, and funny enough, it didn't apply to me because you didn't read the rest of what I said. I held up my end, so are you going to look up the words 'scan' and 'video'?
If you would have asked me last year, I woulda said 'fuggit, go with wifi'. Since then I got an iPad 3G as a gift. A couple of months ago I activated AT&T's cheapest plan and have been evaluating it. I think AT&T is charging way too much for what they offer, $15 for 250 megs? Arg. Getting past that, though, I do think it makes the Tablet more useful. I mean, anywhere you go, you can browse the net. Instant messaging works, email works, everything short of Netflix works reasonably well. I think what made me really decide to keep the data plan is I recently had to work on a site that had no internet access. I brought the iPad with me and used it to keep up with communications back at headquarters. In this particular case, it turned out to be more useful to than my laptop. There is definitely some value in low-bandwidth data within remote areas.
I think it should be considered if you're going to do any sort of remote work. If you're the sort that basically just goes from work to home every day and that doesn't change much, then you'd really have to ask yourself if $15-$30 is really worth spending on it. For me, if I ever do bother to upgrade to a new iPad, it'll likely be a model with built-in cellular functionality.
"Some students at Rice University were recently asked by Shriner's Hospital to build a rehabilitation tool that makes learning to walk entertaining and engaging."
So, Nintendo is going to teach kids how to walk their way. This is the most evil thing I've ever seen a corporation do! I bet the government's behind this.:D
Again, the Bloggie *is* a moving camera (in addition to being stereoscopic).
Okay, then you'd be doing the same thing the iPhone app is doing only with more data, you do have a point there.
But, do you have a reference on solving for the scale of an scanned scanned via moving camera? It seems to me you have to start with some known distance measurement, somewhere.
The iPhone camera is a fixed focal length also. Even if it didn't have it, though, it is possible (with good footage...) to automatically work out what the focal length is provided it finds good tracking marks. Once it can identify something like 6 tracking marks and assume they aren't moving relative to each other, it has enough info to work out where the camera is. With that info, it can work out where the points are and start making a cloud.
This is how a company like ILM or Digital Domain does a 'Match Move'. Often to prove that the move is accurate, they'll connect the points on the cloud to visually represent the model they just made.
But since the Bloggie has a fixed focal length (no zoom) and a known distance between the stereo images, you could solve for the scale of the scanned object - something you cannot do with a single camera moving around.
Actually, you *can* solve for the scale of a scanned object by moving a camera around. In fact, it's basically the same equation used to extract depth from a pair of lenses in a stereo configuration, it's also the essence of how a 'Match Move' works. Until you start moving those cameras around like you're doing with this app we're talking about, you're not actually going to get a coherent 3d mesh, you're, at best, going to get a depth map, and a very narrow FoV one at that. The way it works is it watches the video for points it can track, when it has enough of them it can work out what the camera move was, and from there it knows where those points are 3-dimensionally. The process you're talking about is virtually the same, it finds common points between the two images, and using a known distance for the camera travel it has a good idea what the depth probably is. The problem is, until you get an actual moving camera there, it can't see enough to actually create a mesh. Even if it could, and why not, the technology is advancing all the time, it's still not seeing anywhere near as much info as a moving camera.
I wasn't kidding when I said I've worked with technology that does both. Believe it or not, I actually work with two different companies trying to achieve the same goal with both of these very techniques. The stereo technique is not *better*.
There's a reason lasers are used to perform 3D scans.
The iPhone screen is not a point source of light.
Good luck making any parts which are more than crude attempts at copies.
That's not what they use the laser for. It's a range finder. You don't actually need a range finder if you use video to extrapolate motion. You can actually capture 3d point cloud data just by using motion tracking software.
Having worked with technology that does just that I can answer that: No, it doesn't. Capturing a point cloud by moving the camera around has always worked better, that's why professional 3d scanners use that approach instead of using stereo imagery. Try looking up the word 'occlusion'.
You can't spin it to make it look like he had anything resembling a point.
I have never got a convincing reason as to why individuals and companies develop iOS applications before Android applications even when Android is clearly more popular than iOS...at least in the USA. Why?
Like or hate Apple, developers make money with them.
How long before advances in scanning and 3D printing will allow for any object to be analyzed and recreated so cheaply that it replaces traditional manufacturing processes?
This is a fun mental exercise, but you need to consider that there's a reason most of the stuff we buy is made up of more than one substance at a time. Try to imagine what would really be involved in 3d-printing a complete PC and you'll start to get the idea. By the time you've accumulated small amounts of gold and silicon and everything else, you might as well have purchased the cheaply made machine whose resources were purchased at a volume discount.
As somebody else stated, you need Star Trek replicators to really make your vision come true.
The point of those movies was that humans are evil, not Skynet. We built something intended to kill, it turned on us when we tried to kill it. Somehow lots of people read it as "computers will eventually turn on us", even though we got a nice punchy line about Terminators learning the value of human life.
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but I might want that to be with standard Linux apps instead of only with Android.
Why? Wouldn't most Linux (or even Windows) apps be a huge pain to use on just a touch screen?
You're posting on Slashdot, so I believe you already found the answer.
Yeah but maybe he's hungry for news.
Severe weather hit the area. They shutdown Surry Power Station in Surry County, Virginia after a tornado took the power out that powers the power station.
Of course we all know that the not-cloud would have been impervious to that.
Strictly IM. Supposedly there's a free SMS app for the iPhone that might just work for the iPad, but its something Ive never tried.
Do you honestly believe aliens aren't *already* on the metric system. ;-)
Why should we assume that the ability to easily shift decimal points around in their heads is of critical importance to them?
Okay, so why is that a 'no' for everybody else?
No, he can't - because it was a joke...
I don't think anybody believes that.
So, when you respond to a message - and quote the original text text - which says "I know this is different", you think the best response is to say "you idiot, it's different!"?
Actually what I said was 'you sound like an idiot', and then I went on to explain why.
Tonight's homework for you is to read and learn the definition of irony.
I did, and funny enough, it didn't apply to me because you didn't read the rest of what I said. I held up my end, so are you going to look up the words 'scan' and 'video'?
No.
Try it.
If you would have asked me last year, I woulda said 'fuggit, go with wifi'. Since then I got an iPad 3G as a gift. A couple of months ago I activated AT&T's cheapest plan and have been evaluating it. I think AT&T is charging way too much for what they offer, $15 for 250 megs? Arg. Getting past that, though, I do think it makes the Tablet more useful. I mean, anywhere you go, you can browse the net. Instant messaging works, email works, everything short of Netflix works reasonably well. I think what made me really decide to keep the data plan is I recently had to work on a site that had no internet access. I brought the iPad with me and used it to keep up with communications back at headquarters. In this particular case, it turned out to be more useful to than my laptop. There is definitely some value in low-bandwidth data within remote areas.
I think it should be considered if you're going to do any sort of remote work. If you're the sort that basically just goes from work to home every day and that doesn't change much, then you'd really have to ask yourself if $15-$30 is really worth spending on it. For me, if I ever do bother to upgrade to a new iPad, it'll likely be a model with built-in cellular functionality.
"Some students at Rice University were recently asked by Shriner's Hospital to build a rehabilitation tool that makes learning to walk entertaining and engaging."
So, Nintendo is going to teach kids how to walk their way. This is the most evil thing I've ever seen a corporation do! I bet the government's behind this. :D
Again, the Bloggie *is* a moving camera (in addition to being stereoscopic).
Okay, then you'd be doing the same thing the iPhone app is doing only with more data, you do have a point there.
But, do you have a reference on solving for the scale of an scanned scanned via moving camera? It seems to me you have to start with some known distance measurement, somewhere.
The iPhone camera is a fixed focal length also. Even if it didn't have it, though, it is possible (with good footage...) to automatically work out what the focal length is provided it finds good tracking marks. Once it can identify something like 6 tracking marks and assume they aren't moving relative to each other, it has enough info to work out where the camera is. With that info, it can work out where the points are and start making a cloud.
This is how a company like ILM or Digital Domain does a 'Match Move'. Often to prove that the move is accurate, they'll connect the points on the cloud to visually represent the model they just made.
But since the Bloggie has a fixed focal length (no zoom) and a known distance between the stereo images, you could solve for the scale of the scanned object - something you cannot do with a single camera moving around.
Actually, you *can* solve for the scale of a scanned object by moving a camera around. In fact, it's basically the same equation used to extract depth from a pair of lenses in a stereo configuration, it's also the essence of how a 'Match Move' works. Until you start moving those cameras around like you're doing with this app we're talking about, you're not actually going to get a coherent 3d mesh, you're, at best, going to get a depth map, and a very narrow FoV one at that. The way it works is it watches the video for points it can track, when it has enough of them it can work out what the camera move was, and from there it knows where those points are 3-dimensionally. The process you're talking about is virtually the same, it finds common points between the two images, and using a known distance for the camera travel it has a good idea what the depth probably is. The problem is, until you get an actual moving camera there, it can't see enough to actually create a mesh. Even if it could, and why not, the technology is advancing all the time, it's still not seeing anywhere near as much info as a moving camera.
I wasn't kidding when I said I've worked with technology that does both. Believe it or not, I actually work with two different companies trying to achieve the same goal with both of these very techniques. The stereo technique is not *better*.
There's a reason lasers are used to perform 3D scans.
The iPhone screen is not a point source of light.
Good luck making any parts which are more than crude attempts
at copies.
That's not what they use the laser for. It's a range finder. You don't actually need a range finder if you use video to extrapolate motion. You can actually capture 3d point cloud data just by using motion tracking software.
Having worked with technology that does just that I can answer that: No, it doesn't. Capturing a point cloud by moving the camera around has always worked better, that's why professional 3d scanners use that approach instead of using stereo imagery. Try looking up the word 'occlusion'.
You can't spin it to make it look like he had anything resembling a point.
Way before her time. She will be missed!
What would happen if two iphones tried to scan each other at the same?
The same thing that happens when you put two video cameras in front of each other.
The app author laughing maniacally at the two fools who paid for this app?
Sour grapes?
I have never got a convincing reason as to why individuals and companies develop iOS applications before Android applications even when Android is clearly more popular than iOS...at least in the USA. Why?
Like or hate Apple, developers make money with them.
How long before advances in scanning and 3D printing will allow for any object to be analyzed and recreated so cheaply that it replaces traditional manufacturing processes?
This is a fun mental exercise, but you need to consider that there's a reason most of the stuff we buy is made up of more than one substance at a time. Try to imagine what would really be involved in 3d-printing a complete PC and you'll start to get the idea. By the time you've accumulated small amounts of gold and silicon and everything else, you might as well have purchased the cheaply made machine whose resources were purchased at a volume discount.
As somebody else stated, you need Star Trek replicators to really make your vision come true.
Yes, I know this is different. I don't care.
You should care because you sound like an idiot. The 'Sony Bloggie' is for capturing stereo footage, not scanning in 3D.
Ha! Well in the missing context, we were discussing browsing on a compromised OS.
I for one welcome our self-aware machine overlords.
Just think, when Judgement Day originally happened, we were really laughing out loud at this joke!
The point of those movies was that humans are evil, not Skynet. We built something intended to kill, it turned on us when we tried to kill it. Somehow lots of people read it as "computers will eventually turn on us", even though we got a nice punchy line about Terminators learning the value of human life.
Conceeded.
that's gay
3 minutes of video, 0 seconds showing robot walking.
fag.
Shouldn't you be making these comments on Youtube instead of Slashdot?