I agree that, in theory, the OS is at fault for allowing it.
Which is entirely my point. It's 2010. Operating systems need to start doing their job. There's no reason why the integrity of a user's machine is at the mercy of a game.
And exception handling and stack traces tied to source-code line numbers. Used to be you had a runtime exception and you had to be up all night.
Stack traces are great, and they're usually enough to find the problem, but Java did lose out on core dumps. There are times when I really wish I had a core dump to load up in the debugger to see the contents of variables. Now that I think of it, core dumps also give you a stack trace.
And since a lot of haskell interpreters are written in C ergo whatever you can do in Haskell you can do in C.
Try reading what you are replying to:
"If the abstractions aren't there, you'd have to write a whole new language interpreter/etc in your old language in order to get them, which is reimplementing Haskell anyway."
Hard to find a game fun if you have to worry about it crashing and wiping out your progress. I guess you just have a high tolerance for crap. "Mmm, this burger sure is good, even with the cow manure mixed in!"
Without copyright laws, as you proposed, theaters wouldn't have to pay anything to show the movies in that case. Are you changing your argument to something else now?
You might notice that I quoted you regarding movies, not books. The books didn't cost hundreds of millions of dollars to make. As much as I enjoyed the books, the movies were excellent too.
Personally, I am brushing up my C++, learning Objective-C and C#, as I think the medium and smaller companies in the market will start to migrate away from Java, as the cost savings of cheaper Java developers is lost once you have pay large amounts for the Java install and licensing.
So because Oracle announced an alternative, high-performance version of the JVM that you have to pay for, you're going to regress to C++, or lock yourself in to Apple or Microsoft? Brilliant.
This is how the stock market works these days. Its an inside game played by insiders, while boilerplate fantasy is sold to the public and the poorly informed.
No need for the "these days" qualifier. The stock market has always been an insiders game.
Google's argument isn't about interop at all. It's about how easy it is to pack up all your data and leave a service for another.
How about this then:
"We hope that reciprocity will be an important step towards creating a world of true data liberation" [emphasis mine]
Is there some reason that reciprocity should stop with "data liberation"? The Internet is all about interoperation, yet Google only wants to take by sucking users in to its own OpenID accounts and refusing to recognize others.
This is the same greedy, corporate, asshole behavior that they accuse Facebook of, just in a slightly different arena.
Does Google accept OpenID from all providers yet? For years now, they have provided you with an OpenID, but didn't accept an OpenID from 3rd parties. They are just now starting to allow certain providers in (big ones like Yahoo).
Of course it is, and the poster you replied to said so:
"Yes, we ration healthcare in this country - but up until now it has been based on how much extra life (across the whole population) that healthcare can give. The US rations healthcare too - based on how rich or poor you are. Our system is, frankly, better."
Have you ever seen a shuttle launch. It lights up the sky from 90 miles away. It is kind of impressive what humans kind can do when they are not fighting against each other.
Have you ever seen a nuke go off? That lights up the sky impressively too.
I can say I've VERY rarely read a summary here that I would remotely consider "professional journalism".
A lot of them are just copies from professional journalism, so I disagree. Besides that, a lot of them don't editorialize. A few a day do, and I'd rather see complaints than just letting Slashdot slide into Digg.
Look you can quibble about the use of the word generation, but there is absolutely no disputing the fact that graceful degradation was a core principle of the design of HTML.
I'm not disputing it. But once HTML reached any kind of popularity (1995 or thereabouts), the principles have been violated willy nilly. I don't want to quibble about generations, but it's necessary if you're going to use words like "current generation". That you defend multi-million dollar corporations lends to an Old Man Syndrome. That's when the web was at it's worst, when the gold rush hit.
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I agree that, in theory, the OS is at fault for allowing it.
Which is entirely my point. It's 2010. Operating systems need to start doing their job. There's no reason why the integrity of a user's machine is at the mercy of a game.
And exception handling and stack traces tied to source-code line numbers. Used to be you had a runtime exception and you had to be up all night.
Stack traces are great, and they're usually enough to find the problem, but Java did lose out on core dumps. There are times when I really wish I had a core dump to load up in the debugger to see the contents of variables. Now that I think of it, core dumps also give you a stack trace.
And since a lot of haskell interpreters are written in C ergo whatever you can do in Haskell you can do in C.
Try reading what you are replying to:
"If the abstractions aren't there, you'd have to write a whole new language interpreter/etc in your old language in order to get them, which is reimplementing Haskell anyway."
Hard to find a game fun if you have to worry about it crashing and wiping out your progress. I guess you just have a high tolerance for crap. "Mmm, this burger sure is good, even with the cow manure mixed in!"
There are tactics and strategy involved in shooters and real-time strategy games. No need to bash them just to defend your buggy RPG.
If a game that crashes FUBARs your PC, it's the operating system that's at fault.
Without copyright laws, as you proposed, theaters wouldn't have to pay anything to show the movies in that case. Are you changing your argument to something else now?
You might notice that I quoted you regarding movies, not books. The books didn't cost hundreds of millions of dollars to make. As much as I enjoyed the books, the movies were excellent too.
Personally, I am brushing up my C++, learning Objective-C and C#, as I think the medium and smaller companies in the market will start to migrate away from Java, as the cost savings of cheaper Java developers is lost once you have pay large amounts for the Java install and licensing.
So because Oracle announced an alternative, high-performance version of the JVM that you have to pay for, you're going to regress to C++, or lock yourself in to Apple or Microsoft? Brilliant.
The point is it won't be "business as usual" under Oracle. Sun was barely staying afloat and desperately looking for a buyer.
This is how the stock market works these days. Its an inside game played by insiders, while boilerplate fantasy is sold to the public and the poorly informed.
No need for the "these days" qualifier. The stock market has always been an insiders game.
If true then Slashdot would be badmouthing Steam left and right. Do you see any badmouthing?
Yes, all the time, but it is true that Steam is pretty popular overall on Slashdot.
Movies would still be sold.
Do you really think the Lord of the Rings trilogy would have been made for hundreds of millions of dollars without copyright?
Google's argument isn't about interop at all. It's about how easy it is to pack up all your data and leave a service for another.
How about this then:
"We hope that reciprocity will be an important step towards creating a world of true data liberation" [emphasis mine]
Is there some reason that reciprocity should stop with "data liberation"? The Internet is all about interoperation, yet Google only wants to take by sucking users in to its own OpenID accounts and refusing to recognize others.
This is the same greedy, corporate, asshole behavior that they accuse Facebook of, just in a slightly different arena.
Does Google accept OpenID from all providers yet? For years now, they have provided you with an OpenID, but didn't accept an OpenID from 3rd parties. They are just now starting to allow certain providers in (big ones like Yahoo).
Good show. You upended all challengers.
Americans will refuse to drive reasonably sized cars for fear that they are unsafe
That's not the primary reason. As an American, let me break down what I see:
SUVs are notoriously unsafe for things like rollover accidents. They do handle snow better, though.
it's rationing nonetheless
Of course it is, and the poster you replied to said so:
"Yes, we ration healthcare in this country - but up until now it has been based on how much extra life (across the whole population) that healthcare can give. The US rations healthcare too - based on how rich or poor you are. Our system is, frankly, better."
Are we still burning gasoline in cylinders with pistons to power cars, like we started doing in the 1880s?
Do we drive cars from the 1880s? Or do we continuously improve on them?
Have you ever seen a shuttle launch. It lights up the sky from 90 miles away. It is kind of impressive what humans kind can do when they are not fighting against each other.
Have you ever seen a nuke go off? That lights up the sky impressively too.
I can say I've VERY rarely read a summary here that I would remotely consider "professional journalism".
A lot of them are just copies from professional journalism, so I disagree. Besides that, a lot of them don't editorialize. A few a day do, and I'd rather see complaints than just letting Slashdot slide into Digg.
Fuck off, anonymous coward. He asked a legitimate question.
Just sayin.
This expression needs to die already.
Look you can quibble about the use of the word generation, but there is absolutely no disputing the fact that graceful degradation was a core principle of the design of HTML.
I'm not disputing it. But once HTML reached any kind of popularity (1995 or thereabouts), the principles have been violated willy nilly. I don't want to quibble about generations, but it's necessary if you're going to use words like "current generation". That you defend multi-million dollar corporations lends to an Old Man Syndrome. That's when the web was at it's worst, when the gold rush hit.
Please define generation then.