Why do you think Jeff Sessions is racist? Is it because of 30 year old smear attacks by Ted Kennedy and his ilk being rehashed for his confirmation? Or maybe it's because it's not politically correct to want to enforce our borders?
What does it say, then? "Thanks for proving that "new cliche" utterly true and in fact a fact."
Stalin, like a true leftist authoritarian, would be proud of you, not me, for trying to pass off this Orwellian doublethink. The only problem is you have no power, so it just comes off as petty bullshit.
And you deny that you said something that's a digital record of fact, like a good libtard: "Thanks for proving that "new cliche" utterly true and in fact a fact."
Because NAZIs were anti-immigrant... doh, hell that was their cornerstone policy - opposition to a group of immigrants.
You're conflating controlling your borders versus purging citizenry based on ethnicity. Nearly every country in the world controls its borders and limits immigration.
It doesn't... by itself
So you're full of shit, as usual.
though it DOES by itself make you evil
Uh huh, anybody who disagrees with bullshit identity politics is "evil". Modern feminism isn't about equality, it's about male bashing because women have already achieved equality in the West.
What completely solidifies the case against modern feminism is how they act as a shield for Islam and say nothing about importing a real rape culture via mass immigration. The women's march was even so stupid as to have an Islamic apologist raising the ISIS salute at the head of their event.
And we didn't even get to the abundance of flagrant white supremacist statements he has made
Indeed you didn't because you didn't quote any and you won't find any. Several publications have promoted this claim and subsequently backed down when challenged, because it isn't true, and even more so, he has explicitly spoken out against white nationalism. That's one of the things that makes him hated by the core and original Alt-Right (they call people like Milo "Alt-Light").
No, that's what their ideas LED to, not where it BEGAN.
Their actions are what defined them. A handwaving analogy between sensible border policies and a rejection of the loony left with Nazi Germany is ridiculous.
NOT what anti-immigrant rhetoric actually says, and sure as HELL not what Milo says. I'll be willing to believe you when America considers it equally vital to build a wall on the NORTHERN border and keep Canadian immigrants out (by something other than your culture I mean).
Because the practical reality is there aren't a flood of illegal Canadian immigrants coming over the border. Somehow this seems to escape your grasp. I'll also believe celebrities and other social justice idiots on the left have a good handle on immigration issues when they pledge to move to Mexico, and not Canada, in protest of Trump.
I've heard it, it's even somewhat true. It doesn't make the other side any LESS true.
It actually does. It completely refutes your comparison of Israel with Nazi Germany, and it completely invalided the other side he was steeped in before he stepped out of the echo chamber and researched for himself.
Plenty do, What is the relevance of that to the desire, and right, of Palestinians for democracy ? Oh right- NADA.
Puh-lease. You're the one bashing Israel as Nazi Germany, where in reality they are surrounded by countries much more apt of the label.
How does SHARING a country equal DESTROYING a country ?
They are already sharing the country, as I referenced, despite your claim that they are Nazi Germany. Very strange that 20% of the population in Nazi Germany would be Jews, doncha think? But what would happen if 80% of Israel were "Palestinians"? Would it be Israel or Palestine? So much for a two-state solution.
Only racist, nazi fucks think that.
You think running around calling people racist and Nazi still works. It doesn't. People elected Trump despite the shrill cries of social justice idiots like you.
What's the relevance of THAT to the plight of Palestinians ? Palestinians aren't even Arabs!
I'm not shifting the goal post. I was not the original poster that you replied to, and it was you who claimed the cliche was "utterly true and in fact a fact" while linking to a blog about a blurb from The Daily Show. If you want to make grandiose claims, try linking to something substantial.
Cornerstones of Nazism and non-existent in anything else.
Bull-fucking-shit. What defined the Nazis was rounding up Jews and exterminating them, Aryan supremacy, and aggressive, expansionist warfare. Wanting to control your borders and thinking that modern feminism is bonkers doesn't make you a Nazi.
You've just taken the position that anybody that disagrees with your politics is a "NAZI", because you're so "SMART".
Actually... it's because I'm far better informed than you. That means I don't just read what Israelis write, I read what Palestinians experience - I read THEIR side of the story.
If you hadn't noticed, my link was a video to an Arab "born to hate Jews" who was steeped in all the rhetoric, on his way to become a militant, who then investigated the other side and actually went to Israel. What he found was a pluralistic and inclusive society that resembled nothing like Nazi Germany or what he had expected. That's the story you don't want to hear or acknowledge.
In reality, it's the Muslim countries with authoritarian regimes, but you just ignore those and make an absurd claim about Israel.
grant all the stateless Palestinians an unlimited right of return
Which would destroy their country after having defended it against attack from five Arab countries.
Give Palestinians a state and respect it's borders absolutely.
When Sharon unilaterally pulled out of Gaza it was used as a new area to stage attacks by Hamas. While there seems to be a general consensus on a two state solution, the reality of it happening to the satisfaction and resolution of all parties seems slim, since it's been on the table for decades.
the SAME means by which the ANC protested - and for that the ANC became international heroes and Nelson Mandela is treated like a Saint. Why the difference?
Why indeed? Mandela shouldn't have been treated as a saint, the tactics of the ANC were unjust, and the country has turned to shit since the ANC came to power.
They want to preserve "Israel as a Jewish state" and are afraid of being outnumbered.
That's understandable when they were attacked by five Arab nations to destroy their country upon initiation, and to this day many Arabs would like to see Israel destroyed.
That is the very definition of Nazism.
No, defending your country against an existential threat is not the "definition of Nazism", and I've already described what was.
preserve an area for a specific ethnic group - even at the price of slaughtering and oppressing another
Bullshit. Jews were rounded up and exterminated in systemic fashion in Nazi Germany, along with Gypsies, mentally disabled, and other "undesirables". Israel has been in existence for decades and done nothing comparable. Fuck you for trivializing such atrocities.
And you think any of those were in any way like Trump ?
They had views that the other side strongly disagreed with and had their own brand of arrogance, along with an increase in executive powers. Sure, Trump is brash and bombastic in ways that they weren't, but that doesn't make him the next Hitler, as the article I linked to clearly pointed out. You have to watch where the violence is coming from, and it's coming from the left who go around calling everybody Nazis as an excuse for their violence and rhetoric.
And he gave a senior position to a man who believes that the next world war happening now is inevitable and that the only way for the
And the SMART people in the room know that whether you are a NAZI is defined by what you say and do, not by who you are.
So what has Milo said or done that makes him a NAZI? I'll wait.
Hell, I would argue that Israel has become a NAZI state !
That's because you're ignorant and prone to hyperbole.
No other time in history has somebody like him failed to become a dictator
People were afraid that Bush would become a dictator. And then Obama. And now, of course, Trump. He'll be gone in four or eight years, just like those who came before him, even Andrew Jackson.
I know it isn't new, but that's hardly a basis to claim the cliche is "utterly true and in fact a fact" just because a poster wasn't familiar with it's earlier use.
Jobs died at the right time, at the height of Apple's glory. I doubt Jobs had any more groundbreaking innovations up his sleeve. He probably would have done the smart watch while iterating on Apple's existing products, just like Cook is doing.
Instead of that, Jobs gets to be remain a legend in perpetuity, while Cook has to forever live in his shadow and listen to comments how much Apple would be innovating if Jobs was still alive.
Easy, racism by white bashing and sexism by male bashing. Play that game for long enough and people see through your bullshit and get sick of it, and they're willing to elect a guy like Trump who just doesn't give a fuck about political correctness.
So... somehow you saw THAT but not the Milo supporter SHOOTING at them five minutes earlier and critically injuring one ?
What shooting at Berkeley? There was one at University of Washington, not at Berkeley, and it was claimed self-defense by an Asian guy who was being surrounded and assaulted before he pulled out his gun and shot one of the attackers.
based on a story that clearly makes no sense (why would an anti-hate, anti-discrimination protester identify as Syrian as a Nazi?)
Probably because the left has been throwing around the term "Nazi" like it was confetti, and he was wearing a suit, as the reporter mentioned, something you'd associate with the right, establishment, and conservatism at a lefty protest where hate-filled thugs are violently attacking people and property to shut down another person's free speech. Also, maybe he was wearing a Trump hat that was knocked off before the reporter saw the attack.
If anything it suggests that the protest was sabotaged by Milo supporters.
You truly have your head up your ass. And I suppose the 200+ people arrested and charged as part of a gang committing violence during Trump's inauguration were Trump supporters?
What you don't want to admit is that the left has become the party of violence, openly condoning it in many cases.
This somehow became a factual report when repeated on alt-right websites. And you either didn't bother to investigate it, or didn't want to, or are too incompetent to make a sensible judgement.
*snort* Yes, because you've done such a good job investigating it yourself with your baseless claims of false flag attacks and "fake news".
Again with the meta argument to avoid replying to actual arguments. Ignore your own words, following your own logic, false dichotomy, statistics, history, and reality on the ground. Anything to escape your cognitive dissonance.
You'd rather have a meta argument than answer the direct refutations to your arguments.
you want to have a discussion with someone arguing in favor of violent imposition of Sharia law
No, as I said, "I'm following the logic of your own arguments. You are trying to justify ISIS's arguments because the United States asserts its rights on who is allowed to immigrate."
and someone trying to appeal to emotion
That's exactly what you've been doing with your appeals to a sappy poem, sob stories about your wife's parents, and strawman statements like "fuck you for living there, you probably deserve it".
assert that people have a right to come here
That's what you're implying by saying we are somehow not standing up for freedom and liberty when we prioritize our own freedoms and security and restrict immigration, and further arguing that it somehow justifies ISIS.
But rather than address these issues, or acknowledge the statistics (which you asked for) that refute your claims, or your false dichotomy, or your head in the sand approach to history and reality on the ground, you'd rather pretend me no comprendo.
I've understood and responded to your points just fine. It's you that played the me no comprendo card multiple times while burying your head in the sand.
Fine with me that you found an excuse to not defend your bad arguments besides burying your head in the sand or pretending that you don't understand the point.
Jesus isn't the problem, it's his followers. His followers aren't very much like him. Which of us has his head in the sand?
You, because you ignored the rest of what I said in that paragraph and reality on the ground. You also ignored the link with a quote on historical facts. You think you can just handwave and make all religions equally bad when they are demonstrably not.
When Christians return to their roots they find a peace-loving, virtuous hippie. When Muslims return to their roots they find a conquering warlord. And today's world bears this out.
how much longer do we need to cling to this system of outdated beliefs before we understand that we can set our own rules for morality
I'm an atheist, so you're barking up the wrong tree. But that doesn't mean I treat all religions as equally bad. When one particular mainstream religion/political ideology today is uniquely violent and authoritarian, it deserves to be singled out.
If you think that's what I'm doing then I don't know how to begin to correct your thinking, it's beyond my ability. You need more help than what I can offer.
No, you need to get your head out of the sand and examine the consequences of what you are saying. I just applied your logic from a halt to immigration to opposing Sharia law, Mr. Me No Comprendo.
That's exactly what Trump is forcing Muslims to do. They're either on the side of America, or Islam, because apparently you're not allowed to be both under his rules.
You're engaging in a false dichotomy. There are more than two sides and more than two different ways to approach the situation. Nobody is "forcing" Muslims to pick a side because of immigration policies.
The Muslim world can't embrace America as an example of freedom and liberty when we tell them they aren't welcome.
Yes they can. The United States has every right to limit the importation of a hateful, violent, and authoritarian ideology to defend those freedoms and liberty. They can either accept that and continue on with their lives in their own country or practice their religion peacefully in ours if they are legally here, or they can reject that and fight the United States, or they can go above and beyond and fight to reform Islam, or give up their religion entirely as you have advocated.
Ah, the "I know you are but what am I" rebuttal. Man, well played, I guess you really won that one.
Again, I'm following the logic of your own arguments. You are trying to justify ISIS's arguments because the United States asserts its rights on who is allowed to immigrate.
I'm suggesting that people everywhere value American values, like basic human rights
Pew survey. As one example, 91% of Iraqis responded that Sharia should be the law of the land. Just how much free speech and other rights cherished by the West do you think you're going to have in a country dominated by Sharia law?
they come here in search of them because it's pretty hard to demand your basic human rights when the government is busy dropping an exploding barrel on you from a helicopter
Well, sure, lots of people would prefer to escape a warzone. That doesn't mean they share the same values as the West.
So what? Is that a reason to shit your pants when you see a Muslim?
That's a reason to not import more of a hateful, intolerant, and violent ideology.
They can threaten all they want, if they commit a crime they'll get punished for it.
You don't understand chilling effects. Many newspapers would not reprint the Danish cartoons out of fear. Even South Park backed down from airing an illustration of Muhammad.
They can threaten all they want, if they commit a crime they'll get punished for it. It's not a crime to draw a picture here, let them bluster all they want.
You think people should have to risk their lives and be murdered in the street by voluntarily importing a hateful, violent, and authoritarian ideology with values incompatible to the West?
If it's not illegal, who gives a shit? If it's illegal, enforce the law.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Maybe that's because they've been living in a state of near-constant warfare for the majority of their lives.
Because Islam is a war-loving religion with a conquering warlord for a prophet.
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Why do you think Jeff Sessions is racist? Is it because of 30 year old smear attacks by Ted Kennedy and his ilk being rehashed for his confirmation? Or maybe it's because it's not politically correct to want to enforce our borders?
What does it say, then? "Thanks for proving that "new cliche" utterly true and in fact a fact."
Stalin, like a true leftist authoritarian, would be proud of you, not me, for trying to pass off this Orwellian doublethink. The only problem is you have no power, so it just comes off as petty bullshit.
And you deny that you said something that's a digital record of fact, like a good libtard: "Thanks for proving that "new cliche" utterly true and in fact a fact."
Clinton must be proud.
Typical rightwing American arrogant fuck. Now you're telling a South African what happened in my own country.
Like you're factually erroneous claims about MLK and the Black Panthers, hypocrite?
The boycotts and sanctioned did fuckall to end apartheid.
Maybe I'm off base, but then again I wouldn't just take your word for it. Anyways, enjoy your country now that it has turned to shit.
Oh, so it's okay if you just declare another goal the actual goal
No, that was you when you made the grandiose claim. I was responding to your claim.
Because NAZIs were anti-immigrant... doh, hell that was their cornerstone policy - opposition to a group of immigrants.
You're conflating controlling your borders versus purging citizenry based on ethnicity. Nearly every country in the world controls its borders and limits immigration.
It doesn't... by itself
So you're full of shit, as usual.
though it DOES by itself make you evil
Uh huh, anybody who disagrees with bullshit identity politics is "evil". Modern feminism isn't about equality, it's about male bashing because women have already achieved equality in the West.
What completely solidifies the case against modern feminism is how they act as a shield for Islam and say nothing about importing a real rape culture via mass immigration. The women's march was even so stupid as to have an Islamic apologist raising the ISIS salute at the head of their event.
And we didn't even get to the abundance of flagrant white supremacist statements he has made
Indeed you didn't because you didn't quote any and you won't find any. Several publications have promoted this claim and subsequently backed down when challenged, because it isn't true, and even more so, he has explicitly spoken out against white nationalism. That's one of the things that makes him hated by the core and original Alt-Right (they call people like Milo "Alt-Light").
No, that's what their ideas LED to, not where it BEGAN.
Their actions are what defined them. A handwaving analogy between sensible border policies and a rejection of the loony left with Nazi Germany is ridiculous.
NOT what anti-immigrant rhetoric actually says, and sure as HELL not what Milo says. I'll be willing to believe you when America considers it equally vital to build a wall on the NORTHERN border and keep Canadian immigrants out (by something other than your culture I mean).
Because the practical reality is there aren't a flood of illegal Canadian immigrants coming over the border. Somehow this seems to escape your grasp. I'll also believe celebrities and other social justice idiots on the left have a good handle on immigration issues when they pledge to move to Mexico, and not Canada, in protest of Trump.
I've heard it, it's even somewhat true. It doesn't make the other side any LESS true.
It actually does. It completely refutes your comparison of Israel with Nazi Germany, and it completely invalided the other side he was steeped in before he stepped out of the echo chamber and researched for himself.
Plenty do, What is the relevance of that to the desire, and right, of Palestinians for democracy ? Oh right- NADA.
Puh-lease. You're the one bashing Israel as Nazi Germany, where in reality they are surrounded by countries much more apt of the label.
How does SHARING a country equal DESTROYING a country ?
They are already sharing the country, as I referenced, despite your claim that they are Nazi Germany. Very strange that 20% of the population in Nazi Germany would be Jews, doncha think? But what would happen if 80% of Israel were "Palestinians"? Would it be Israel or Palestine? So much for a two-state solution.
Only racist, nazi fucks think that.
You think running around calling people racist and Nazi still works. It doesn't. People elected Trump despite the shrill cries of social justice idiots like you.
What's the relevance of THAT to the plight of Palestinians ? Palestinians aren't even Arabs!
"The Palestinian pe
I'm not shifting the goal post. I was not the original poster that you replied to, and it was you who claimed the cliche was "utterly true and in fact a fact" while linking to a blog about a blurb from The Daily Show. If you want to make grandiose claims, try linking to something substantial.
Anti-Immigrant rhetoric
How does anti-immigrant rhetoric make you a NAZI?
anti-feminist rhetoric
How does anti-feminist rhetoric make you a NAZI?
Cornerstones of Nazism and non-existent in anything else.
Bull-fucking-shit. What defined the Nazis was rounding up Jews and exterminating them, Aryan supremacy, and aggressive, expansionist warfare. Wanting to control your borders and thinking that modern feminism is bonkers doesn't make you a Nazi.
You've just taken the position that anybody that disagrees with your politics is a "NAZI", because you're so "SMART".
Actually... it's because I'm far better informed than you. That means I don't just read what Israelis write, I read what Palestinians experience - I read THEIR side of the story.
If you hadn't noticed, my link was a video to an Arab "born to hate Jews" who was steeped in all the rhetoric, on his way to become a militant, who then investigated the other side and actually went to Israel. What he found was a pluralistic and inclusive society that resembled nothing like Nazi Germany or what he had expected. That's the story you don't want to hear or acknowledge.
In reality, it's the Muslim countries with authoritarian regimes, but you just ignore those and make an absurd claim about Israel.
grant all the stateless Palestinians an unlimited right of return
Which would destroy their country after having defended it against attack from five Arab countries.
Give Palestinians a state and respect it's borders absolutely.
When Sharon unilaterally pulled out of Gaza it was used as a new area to stage attacks by Hamas. While there seems to be a general consensus on a two state solution, the reality of it happening to the satisfaction and resolution of all parties seems slim, since it's been on the table for decades.
the SAME means by which the ANC protested - and for that the ANC became international heroes and Nelson Mandela is treated like a Saint. Why the difference?
Why indeed? Mandela shouldn't have been treated as a saint, the tactics of the ANC were unjust, and the country has turned to shit since the ANC came to power.
They want to preserve "Israel as a Jewish state" and are afraid of being outnumbered.
That's understandable when they were attacked by five Arab nations to destroy their country upon initiation, and to this day many Arabs would like to see Israel destroyed.
That is the very definition of Nazism.
No, defending your country against an existential threat is not the "definition of Nazism", and I've already described what was.
preserve an area for a specific ethnic group - even at the price of slaughtering and oppressing another
Bullshit. Jews were rounded up and exterminated in systemic fashion in Nazi Germany, along with Gypsies, mentally disabled, and other "undesirables". Israel has been in existence for decades and done nothing comparable. Fuck you for trivializing such atrocities.
And you think any of those were in any way like Trump ?
They had views that the other side strongly disagreed with and had their own brand of arrogance, along with an increase in executive powers. Sure, Trump is brash and bombastic in ways that they weren't, but that doesn't make him the next Hitler, as the article I linked to clearly pointed out. You have to watch where the violence is coming from, and it's coming from the left who go around calling everybody Nazis as an excuse for their violence and rhetoric.
And he gave a senior position to a man who believes that the next world war happening now is inevitable and that the only way for the
And the SMART people in the room know that whether you are a NAZI is defined by what you say and do, not by who you are.
So what has Milo said or done that makes him a NAZI? I'll wait.
Hell, I would argue that Israel has become a NAZI state !
That's because you're ignorant and prone to hyperbole.
No other time in history has somebody like him failed to become a dictator
People were afraid that Bush would become a dictator. And then Obama. And now, of course, Trump. He'll be gone in four or eight years, just like those who came before him, even Andrew Jackson.
I know it isn't new, but that's hardly a basis to claim the cliche is "utterly true and in fact a fact" just because a poster wasn't familiar with it's earlier use.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Your "fact" is a reference to a blog about a blurb from The Daily Show? Thanks for proving just how smug and asinine that cliche is.
Jobs died at the right time, at the height of Apple's glory. I doubt Jobs had any more groundbreaking innovations up his sleeve. He probably would have done the smart watch while iterating on Apple's existing products, just like Cook is doing.
Instead of that, Jobs gets to be remain a legend in perpetuity, while Cook has to forever live in his shadow and listen to comments how much Apple would be innovating if Jobs was still alive.
a real job creator and builder
Yes, Musk could blow tons of government money simultaneously on a hyperloop and a manned mission to mars.
Easy, racism by white bashing and sexism by male bashing. Play that game for long enough and people see through your bullshit and get sick of it, and they're willing to elect a guy like Trump who just doesn't give a fuck about political correctness.
You have no privacy. Get over it and love Big Brother.
So... somehow you saw THAT but not the Milo supporter SHOOTING at them five minutes earlier and critically injuring one ?
What shooting at Berkeley? There was one at University of Washington, not at Berkeley, and it was claimed self-defense by an Asian guy who was being surrounded and assaulted before he pulled out his gun and shot one of the attackers.
This is fake news. There was a completely unsubstantiated claim by an NY Times reporter, which seems like a bizarre false flag op:
That's not a bizarre false flag op, that's cognitive dissonance on your part.
So at best we have a rumour
No, an eyewitness account from a reporter that matches other violence at the event that's been caught on film, such as this flag pole attack, or this woman being pepper sprayed while giving an interview, or this college Republican being attacked wearing a suit and Trump hat the morning after.
based on a story that clearly makes no sense (why would an anti-hate, anti-discrimination protester identify as Syrian as a Nazi?)
Probably because the left has been throwing around the term "Nazi" like it was confetti, and he was wearing a suit, as the reporter mentioned, something you'd associate with the right, establishment, and conservatism at a lefty protest where hate-filled thugs are violently attacking people and property to shut down another person's free speech. Also, maybe he was wearing a Trump hat that was knocked off before the reporter saw the attack.
If anything it suggests that the protest was sabotaged by Milo supporters.
You truly have your head up your ass. And I suppose the 200+ people arrested and charged as part of a gang committing violence during Trump's inauguration were Trump supporters?
What you don't want to admit is that the left has become the party of violence, openly condoning it in many cases.
This somehow became a factual report when repeated on alt-right websites. And you either didn't bother to investigate it, or didn't want to, or are too incompetent to make a sensible judgement.
*snort* Yes, because you've done such a good job investigating it yourself with your baseless claims of false flag attacks and "fake news".
Again with the meta argument to avoid replying to actual arguments. Ignore your own words, following your own logic, false dichotomy, statistics, history, and reality on the ground. Anything to escape your cognitive dissonance.
You don't want to have a discussion with me
You'd rather have a meta argument than answer the direct refutations to your arguments.
you want to have a discussion with someone arguing in favor of violent imposition of Sharia law
No, as I said, "I'm following the logic of your own arguments. You are trying to justify ISIS's arguments because the United States asserts its rights on who is allowed to immigrate."
and someone trying to appeal to emotion
That's exactly what you've been doing with your appeals to a sappy poem, sob stories about your wife's parents, and strawman statements like "fuck you for living there, you probably deserve it".
assert that people have a right to come here
That's what you're implying by saying we are somehow not standing up for freedom and liberty when we prioritize our own freedoms and security and restrict immigration, and further arguing that it somehow justifies ISIS.
But rather than address these issues, or acknowledge the statistics (which you asked for) that refute your claims, or your false dichotomy, or your head in the sand approach to history and reality on the ground, you'd rather pretend me no comprendo.
I've understood and responded to your points just fine. It's you that played the me no comprendo card multiple times while burying your head in the sand.
Fine with me that you found an excuse to not defend your bad arguments besides burying your head in the sand or pretending that you don't understand the point.
Jesus isn't the problem, it's his followers. His followers aren't very much like him. Which of us has his head in the sand?
You, because you ignored the rest of what I said in that paragraph and reality on the ground. You also ignored the link with a quote on historical facts. You think you can just handwave and make all religions equally bad when they are demonstrably not.
When Christians return to their roots they find a peace-loving, virtuous hippie. When Muslims return to their roots they find a conquering warlord. And today's world bears this out.
how much longer do we need to cling to this system of outdated beliefs before we understand that we can set our own rules for morality
I'm an atheist, so you're barking up the wrong tree. But that doesn't mean I treat all religions as equally bad. When one particular mainstream religion/political ideology today is uniquely violent and authoritarian, it deserves to be singled out.
If you think that's what I'm doing then I don't know how to begin to correct your thinking, it's beyond my ability. You need more help than what I can offer.
No, you need to get your head out of the sand and examine the consequences of what you are saying. I just applied your logic from a halt to immigration to opposing Sharia law, Mr. Me No Comprendo.
That's exactly what Trump is forcing Muslims to do. They're either on the side of America, or Islam, because apparently you're not allowed to be both under his rules.
You're engaging in a false dichotomy. There are more than two sides and more than two different ways to approach the situation. Nobody is "forcing" Muslims to pick a side because of immigration policies.
The Muslim world can't embrace America as an example of freedom and liberty when we tell them they aren't welcome.
Yes they can. The United States has every right to limit the importation of a hateful, violent, and authoritarian ideology to defend those freedoms and liberty. They can either accept that and continue on with their lives in their own country or practice their religion peacefully in ours if they are legally here, or they can reject that and fight the United States, or they can go above and beyond and fight to reform Islam, or give up their religion entirely as you have advocated.
Ah, the "I know you are but what am I" rebuttal. Man, well played, I guess you really won that one.
Again, I'm following the logic of your own arguments. You are trying to justify ISIS's arguments because the United States asserts its rights on who is allowed to immigrate.
These are organized gangs that went to the inauguration with the intent to commit violence. They deserve to be investigated as such.
No, I wasn't.
You absolutely were, but let's continue.
I'm suggesting that people everywhere value American values, like basic human rights
Pew survey. As one example, 91% of Iraqis responded that Sharia should be the law of the land. Just how much free speech and other rights cherished by the West do you think you're going to have in a country dominated by Sharia law?
they come here in search of them because it's pretty hard to demand your basic human rights when the government is busy dropping an exploding barrel on you from a helicopter
Well, sure, lots of people would prefer to escape a warzone. That doesn't mean they share the same values as the West.
So what? Is that a reason to shit your pants when you see a Muslim?
That's a reason to not import more of a hateful, intolerant, and violent ideology.
They can threaten all they want, if they commit a crime they'll get punished for it.
You don't understand chilling effects. Many newspapers would not reprint the Danish cartoons out of fear. Even South Park backed down from airing an illustration of Muhammad.
They can threaten all they want, if they commit a crime they'll get punished for it. It's not a crime to draw a picture here, let them bluster all they want.
You think people should have to risk their lives and be murdered in the street by voluntarily importing a hateful, violent, and authoritarian ideology with values incompatible to the West?
If it's not illegal, who gives a shit? If it's illegal, enforce the law.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Maybe that's because they've been living in a state of near-constant warfare for the majority of their lives.
Because Islam is a war-loving religion with a conquering warlord for a prophet.