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Apple CEO Tim Cook Tackles Truth in the Digital Age (cnbc.com)

Apple CEO Tim Cook visited the University of Glasgow yesterday to be awarded an honorary doctorate. During the Q&A session, one audience member asked Cook to tell what the future looks like. Following is Cook's response: "The world is going through an enormous change. We used to watch three or four people tell us the news, and generally speaking most of us trusted that ... now you are growing up in an environment where everyone is telling you the news and everyone is trying to influence your opinion on something," Cook said. "Generally society hasn't moved as fast as technology has ... so all of us have been put in a position to make sure that when we hear something we automatically take it as our opinion that we think through the different views on it and unfortunately make sure it is accurate as well."

214 comments

  1. Most people are easily influenced anyhow by Quakeulf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And Apple has been a great influencer itself.

    1. Re:Most people are easily influenced anyhow by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      And Apple has been a great influencer itself.

      Which is good, because there can't be any heretical truefacts about Apple. To believe so is a thoughtcrime and criminally unsocial.

      Any facts about Apple which are in unpraiseful of Apple cannot be truefacts and must be properly edited as they are doubleplus ungood.

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    2. Re:Most people are easily influenced anyhow by Quakeulf · · Score: 1

      I would Clappa you but /. does not support Twitch-faces.

  2. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait, in what way is this a defense of Trump? Saying "you should pay attention, and not believe all the lies Trump and Spicer are telling you" doesn't exactly support him.

  3. I take Gospel exclusively from Saint Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Steve appears to me every night, surrounded by a bluish glow and tells me The Truth.

  4. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

    I don't see how this is a defense of Trump.
    Even though Trump labels everything criticising him as "fake news", that doesn't mean that there _aren't_ a lot of media outlets slinging opinionated lies at us.
    The most influential advisor of Trump used to run one of the most prolific such website and for every contradictory news report, you can be sure atleast one is untrue.

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  5. *raises hand* by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Umm...does anyone else think he's really not focused on running Apple like Steve did?

    1. Re:*raises hand* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm...does anyone else think he's really not focused on running Apple like Steve did?

      Maybe reality gets distorted in a different way than the Jobs Field did, and we have not detected it yet.

    2. Re:*raises hand* by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 2

      Umm...does anyone else think he's really not focused on running Apple like Steve did?

      You mean as opposed to the guy who ran Pixar on the side? The guy who designed glass stairs for the Apple Stores? That totally focused on running Apple guy?

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    3. Re:*raises hand* by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

      Umm...does anyone else think he's really not focused on running Apple like Steve did?

      Lacking a driven, hard-driving, asshole visionary like Jobs, Apple is, quite predictably, following in Microsoft's footsteps. After all, visionaries who have the stuff to go all the way are pretty rare. Besides, Apple is old and fat enough that it was their time to settle into complacency anyway - and I challenge you to name any major tech company that hasn't followed that path. It seems pretty much inevitable, as though it's a universal law or something.

      At least what Tim Cook says is sensible and has some substance, unlike the bullying bombast that Ballmer was so fond of and the PHB-speak nonsensical platitudes coming from Satya Nadella.

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    4. Re:*raises hand* by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Jobs died at the right time, at the height of Apple's glory. I doubt Jobs had any more groundbreaking innovations up his sleeve. He probably would have done the smart watch while iterating on Apple's existing products, just like Cook is doing.

      Instead of that, Jobs gets to be remain a legend in perpetuity, while Cook has to forever live in his shadow and listen to comments how much Apple would be innovating if Jobs was still alive.

    5. Re:*raises hand* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      key words:
      >"on the side" and yes insisting on design elements of the retail image of Apple is also running Apple Inc too.
      Those stores are Apple's version of showering, shaving, and dressing nice when you host a presentation... You may 'do good work' but are you going to look like hell when it comes to first impressions? SJ knew that would not fly so yeah he had a say and it was all Apple related.

    6. Re:*raises hand* by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      Nor should he be - he's not Steve Jobs.

      I mean don't get me wrong - Steve had a lot of great ideas, but a lot of terrible ones that have left his company way behind in some respects - like Steve's aversion to touch screens on laptops/desktops.

  6. Re:Nazism in America by Tulsa_Time · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Everyone the left disagrees with is a Nazi. If you took the word Nazi out of the lexicon, the left would be reduced to tears and blank stares..

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  7. "Truth" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As soon as someone uses that, back away slowly. It's invariably you need to believe what I'm telling you rather than testable and verifiable reality. Just look at how many conspiracy nutters, religious zealots and extreme left/right crazies use it.

    And this is coming from someone that claims they invented iThing design when it's copied from Sony blueprints and uses off the shelf components made by LG, Samsung, ARM and 20 year old BSD code. But their icons, man, look, they've changed. TRUTH!

    1. Re:"Truth" by berj · · Score: 1

      Psst.. I'll tell you a secret.

      According to the article (you read that.. right?) Mr Cook didn't use the word "truth"

      Given the content of what he actually *did* say, the irony in your post is palpable.

    2. Re:"Truth" by Jawnn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Truth" is when someone tells you a thing is so, and then invites you to verify it for yourself, using sources of your own choosing. Refusing to believe the truth is when you are told something is so, and you reject it out of hand or use sources you know will tell you what you want to hear. In other words, truth cannot be handed down. If you really want it, you will have to go out and find it for yourself.

    3. Re:"Truth" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please tell us what problem you have with using 20 year old BSD code?
      Do Apple violate the BSD license?
      AFAIK, they still release the souces they are required to under the license.

      Come on now don't be shy. Tell the world.

      Oh, and Apple don't use a standard ARM CPU. They have made a lot of changes to the reference design as they are allowed to do under the yerms of their License.

    4. Re:"Truth" by tomhath · · Score: 1
      Quoting Cook:

      We used to watch three or four people tell us the news, and generally speaking most of us trusted that ... now you are growing up in an environment where everyone is telling you the news and everyone is trying to influence your opinion on something

      What he did way is that you should trust the mainstream media ('three or four people"), and he implies that, in the past, those people weren't "trying to influence your opinion". If you believe that I have a bridge in New York you might be interested in buying.

    5. Re:"Truth" by berj · · Score: 2

      He most certainly did *not* say that you should trust the mainstream media.

      He said that's what happened in the past and that's what we trusted. There's no "should" or "this was correct" about it.

      He's merely saying that there are many more people (hyperbolically "everyone") that are trying to influence your opinion. ie. it's coming at you from all sides. So take extra care and try to learn the accuracy of what you're being told.

    6. Re:"Truth" by tomhath · · Score: 1

      There's no "should" or "this was correct" about it.

      Pay close attention to what he said:
      "We used to watch three or four people tell us the news ... now you are growing up in an environment where everyone is telling you the news ... So take extra care and try to learn the accuracy"

      He's contrasting what "used" to be with "now" - which I interpret to mean that now is different from what used to be. Then he points out the difference - that now you can't trust what people tell you.

    7. Re: "Truth" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BSD code doesn't require the source to be released. The 20 year old code was milled through NeXT before Apple adopted it.

    8. Re: "Truth" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NeXT was founded by Steve Jobs after being booted from Apple, so genetically it's Apple.

    9. Re:"Truth" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What good is truth when one one candidate and the DNC collaborate and fuck the other candidate, and then you support the first candidate like nothing ever happened? You didn't call shit on any of YOUR folks Tim, so you have NO credibility calling out Trump or anyone else. You are just two faced.

  8. Good advice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    This exactly why I don't belive a word Tim Cook says!

    1. Re: Good advice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why I don't belive a word Tim Cook says!

  9. "Tackling" Truth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As in "promoting", or "causing injury to"?

  10. Re: Nazism in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No need the use the title Nazi, I don't. Fascist is perfectly acceptable.

  11. Re: Nazism in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You idiot. Not everyone that is bad or you disagree with is a Nazi. The word Nazi doesn't just mean "evil mean guy I don't like".

  12. Re:I Have A One Inch Dick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use your ten inch tongue.

  13. Society certainly hasn't evolved past greed by zifn4b · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Correct Mr. Cook "Generally society hasn't moved as fast as technology has". Some of us are still engaged in practices like keeping corporate cash holdings in off shore tax shelters and claiming that there is a tech worker shortage when in reality it's just greed driving corporate profits in the form of hiring cheaper H-1B visas that are willing to put up with unreasonable working conditions so they can make more money. Some things never change.

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    1. Re:Society certainly hasn't evolved past greed by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Some of us are still engaged in practices like keeping corporate cash holdings in off shore tax shelters

      Some of us understand how international tax policies work. The cash that you talk about will cost 30% should Apple decide to repatriate it. Since the money was generated overseas through overseas sales, the most financially sound idea is to keep it overseas.

      claiming that there is a tech worker shortage when in reality it's just greed driving corporate profits in the form of hiring cheaper H-1B visas that are willing to put up with unreasonable working conditions so they can make more money. Some things never change.

      For 2016 Apple has applied for 4639 H1B and 2096 green cards for a total of roughly 6700 workers in the use. Apple employs roughly 66,000 workers in the US. So 10% of their workforce. The average salary of H1B is $140K and green cards is $150K. So I don't think "cheaper" applies. The salary does not include costs associated with the H1B or green card programs. Like many companies, Apple has immigration lawyers working on these cases for their employees.

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    2. Re:Society certainly hasn't evolved past greed by zifn4b · · Score: 0

      For 2016 Apple has applied for 4639 H1B and 2096 green cards for a total of roughly 6700 workers in the use. Apple employs roughly 66,000 workers in the US. So 10% of their workforce. The average salary of H1B is $140K and green cards is $150K. So I don't think "cheaper" applies. The salary does not include costs associated with the H1B or green card programs. Like many companies, Apple has immigration lawyers working on these cases for their employees.

      You have data for "cheaper" but if worker A works 40 hours for $140k and worker B works 80 hours a week for $140k, worker B is making a significantly lower than average hourly wage. You also didn't address the issue where there are Americans lined up with similar credentials to do the same job yet the jobs go to the H-1B visa. The H-1B visa program was enacted in 1990 due to a tech worker shortage that no longer exists (and may have never existed). It should be repealed. When the current H-1B visas expire in 3 years or less, hire Americans.

      You're just playing the liberal political spin game for liberal principles, nothing more, nothing less. California should be annexed to be its own country. Good luck paying for all your entitlement programs without leeching off everyone else!

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    3. Re: Society certainly hasn't evolved past greed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So when someone mentions something you don't agree with, you just spout the most absurd things you can. Nice strategy there bunk.

    4. Re: Society certainly hasn't evolved past greed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't come around here spreading your facts you degenerate. We want alt news and alt facts. It's how we survive my good man.

    5. Re:Society certainly hasn't evolved past greed by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      You have data for "cheaper" but if worker A works 40 hours for $140k and worker B works 80 hours a week for $140k, worker B is making a significantly lower than average hourly wage.

      All of which is hypothetical based only on your ideas. I assert this is not reality.

      You also didn't address the issue where there are Americans lined up with similar credentials to do the same job yet the jobs go to the H-1B visa.

      Please post some numbers and source for your assertion. Again your perception not reality.

      The H-1B visa program was enacted in 1990 due to a tech worker shortage that no longer exists (and may have never existed). It should be repealed. When the current H-1B visas expire in 3 years or less, hire Americans.

      Oh really? Number of open jobs requiring Computer Science degrees: 500,000. Number of yearly CS graduates: 50,000. That's a factor of 10:1 in one industry. There is debate about whether a shortage exists; however, unless you work inside Apple you can't say for sure they are abusing the H1B program. I doubt they are as the trouble and cost to sponsoring H1B and green cards is more than it might be worth. A company like Infosys might be more of an abuser of the program as their business model relies on H1B labor.

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    6. Re:Society certainly hasn't evolved past greed by zifn4b · · Score: 0

      You have data for "cheaper" but if worker A works 40 hours for $140k and worker B works 80 hours a week for $140k, worker B is making a significantly lower than average hourly wage.

      All of which is hypothetical based only on your ideas. I assert this is not reality.

      Wrong. I have direct experience in the field and this is a systemic issue in this field. Do you work in this field? In fact, there is evidence:

      http://www.computerworld.com/a...
      http://www.computerworld.com/a...

      Do your own research jack-ass if you want to know what reality is composed of. Or live in your little liberal fantasy world. I don't really care. You people are up to your eyeballs in debt and couldn't get yourself off of the tax teat and take care of yourself if your life depended on it. You're weak. Prove that wrong. That's what I thought.

      You snowflakes are all about being offended by everyone but then you turn and bully everyone else with your shit.

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    7. Re:Society certainly hasn't evolved past greed by zifn4b · · Score: 0

      And by the way liberals, how is this for a dose of reality? Neil Gorsuch has been nominated Supreme Court Justice. Obama's pick got blocked. There will be a 5-4 majority in the Supreme Court. I anticipate a new lake to appear full of all your tears from all you're whining and crying. There's reality for you. Enjoy that burn.

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    8. Re:Society certainly hasn't evolved past greed by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      And by the way liberals, how is this for a dose of reality?

      You assume I'm a liberal because . . . I have numbers to back up what I say

      Neil Gorsuch has been nominated Supreme Court Justice. Obama's pick got blocked.

      How is this relevant to your incorrect views on H1B visas again?

      There will be a 5-4 majority in the Supreme Court. I anticipate a new lake to appear full of all your tears from all you're whining and crying. There's reality for you. Enjoy that burn.

      Red Herring: Bringing up something completely unrelated shows that you're not interested in facts. You sound like a special snowflake.

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    9. Re:Society certainly hasn't evolved past greed by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Wrong. I have direct experience in the field and this is a systemic issue in this field. Do you work in this field? In fact, there is evidence:

      You have anecdotal evidence based on a sample size of 2 one of which is a consultancy specializing in H1B work. How does this apply to Apple? Do you know that Apple is doing this? At a salary of $140K and $150K, it is most likely that Apple is hiring H1Bs when they have needs.

      Do your own research jack-ass if you want to know what reality is composed of. Or live in your little liberal fantasy world. I don't really care. You people are up to your eyeballs in debt and couldn't get yourself off of the tax teat and take care of yourself if your life depended on it. You're weak. Prove that wrong. That's what I thought.

      So the question to provide any research on your claims is that you will not present research. Sounds like a logical fallacy to me.

      You snowflakes are all about being offended by everyone but then you turn and bully everyone else with your shit.

      You are railing against Apple for using their best business practices. Sounds like you are both anti-business.

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    10. Re:Society certainly hasn't evolved past greed by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Oh really? Number of open jobs requiring Computer Science degrees: 500,000. Number of yearly CS graduates: 50,000. That's a factor of 10:1 in one industry.

      A degree doesn't expire every year, you know. There are people who got a degree over the last few years still looking for jobs. There are people who have been "aged out" still looking. All your number says is that we can't cover the current set of openings with just new graduates from this single year.

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    11. Re:Society certainly hasn't evolved past greed by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Based on the current open jobs, it will take 10 years to fill them. Of course in 10 years time the economic climate will be different; it doesn't negate the fact that there is a shortage that is not easily filled.

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  14. Re: Cook will have to apologize soon by dougdonovan · · Score: 0

    congratulations mr cook

  15. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fortunately the alt-right has shown up the solution. A relatively small number of people working to spread disinformation worked very effectively. To counter that, we need a similar number of people willing to use subversion tactics to promote the truth.

    30 years of the media in the US alone being partisan towards democrats, but it's suddenly a small number of "alt-right" spreading disinformation. Okie there. I'm sure that the mainstream media pumping out a bunch of articles in the last few months that were fake wasn't anything. Or how many times has it been now that sites like WAPO have had to publicly retract stories because of that fake news? Hate to tell you this, but the media tried to pull the fake news crap, and got their face rolled into it. It's the same reason why for over a decade that the trust in the media in the US is under 20% and even here in Canada it's under 25%

    But let's look at some disinformation. Would that be like the migrant that was arrested in Edmonton, Alberta the other day. And the CBC uses the word "touched" when the person in question aggressively committed sexual assaulted a 14 year old? Under the definition of the law as sexual assault level 3, because they threatened and caused physical injury. Or is that simply massaging the truth because it paints them in a bad light. Or would that be like the underage refugees in NFLD, who physically assaulted a 15 year old girl, and the response from the media was bending over backwards to claim "cultural issues" and the two people "not knowing that assault was wrong." We don't even have to start from there, we can just look over the media like the letter networks and see how much garbage they've been pumping out over the last 15 years.

    I know that the "alt-right" is some great invisible bogeyman for you. But you guys over in Europe have far more to worry about with the government engaging in active censorship, and trying to hide information from the public in order to ensure their political power remains intact.

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  16. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    30 years of the media in the US alone being partisan towards democrats

    This is what he means by a few alt-right spewing lies.

    I know that the "alt-right" is some great invisible bogeyman for you. But you guys over in Europe have far more to worry about with the government engaging in active censorship, and trying to hide information from the public in order to ensure their political power remains intact.

    Yeah, we're trying to prevent that BEFORE it happens, not after.

  17. How is this news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People are generally idiots who are incapable of rational thought and will believe anything they're told. Anyone with half a brain has know this for years.

    1. Re:How is this news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only years? Are you stupid or just young?

  18. I don't like his brand of news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you ever tried to get conservative news on the Apple news app. It is impossible. Even when you ask for a service that you want for conservative news apple injects non-conservative view points into the stream and does not show you your conservative news source. News is not longer impartial or factual. Tim Cook only thinks his news is the correct news. Love you Tim. Wish you could be a little more introspective.

    1. Re: I don't like his brand of news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Apple is the only news source in town.

    2. Re:I don't like his brand of news. by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Actually, this is a problem w/ Apple and Microsoft's news apps. I've deleted them from my phones. In Windows 8, Microsoft had a somewhat good system where you could enter any news site that you wanted, and get the news only from there, but they got rid of that flexibility in Windows 10.

    3. Re:I don't like his brand of news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      crazy idiots, I have no problem deciphering the claimed facts from any news source. Are you that subject to influence you can't objectively think about a news piece? You need to be spoon fed from some ideologically aligned news source? My god, I thought the liberals were the snowflakes who needed safe spaces. We are in deep fucking trouble if the technocrats cant even do it. It's probably time to let Trump destroy America and ruin US economic and cultural influence, we're simply unfit to lead.

    4. Re: I don't like his brand of news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Apple News is objective, there should be all viewpoints exposed.

  19. Re:Nazism in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you showed it to anyone on the right, they'd call Nazis libtards because their morals are completely bankrupt.

  20. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Reality has a well known left-wing bias.

    This is because conservatism is the politics of nostalgia and ignoring things that only affect other people. Trump wants things to be like the 1950s again. It's even in his campaign slogan: Make American Great Again, as in it used to be great and should go back to that state.

    The alt-right like this, because after all it is a movement that started with white supremacists. In the 1950s, white people had more rights and power than others. Of course it sucked if you were not white, but... meh, it's those people's own fault or something. Whatever makes you comfortable.

    And that's what the new alt-right media offers: comfort. If all those people who are losing out are bad people, and Trump keeps reminding you that they are, then you don't need to feel bad for them. In fact, you should be happy about it, because bad people got what they deserved.

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  21. the distilled version. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Right now the world has a lot of very loud assholes. this encourages others to be assholes.
    Stay away from anyone acting extreme right and left, just shut them completely out of your life as they are the scummiest of people.
    If they cant have a civilized and calm discussion, eject them from your life rapidly. yes even family.

    My problem is these people are infecting everything, A discussion about antenna theory and basics turns into a shitshow of aggressive posturing when you mention something like "you should not use a wire wound resistor like that because it can introduce unwanted reactance" is met with... foaming at the mouth insults and turd throwing. People refuse to back up their statements contrary to known science and education and start blathering on to prop up their strawman.

    Honestly I'm really done with people in general, americans are empowered right now to be assholes and I want nothing to do with it.

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    1. Re:the distilled version. by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      This is a very accurate description of what happened to slashdot. George Washington said that politics and political division would be the downfall of the US.

    2. Re: the distilled version. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully some of the passion and frustration is focused into productiveness. Otherwise, yes, all we have are angry assholes (left and right) that should be ignored.

    3. Re: the distilled version. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clenched fist salute! Viva carbon comp resistors! Though they be bloody expensive, we shall overcome the opposition and use them!

  22. Optimistic by InfiniteZero · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Cook is way too optimistic. If all of us stopped for a minute to think things through, we wouldn't have been in the mess we are in. Can't blame him though. A large part of the man's job is to think, so he thinks (pun intended) it comes natural for everyone. It's the reverse Dunning–Kruger effect.

    Someone told Democrat presidential candidate Adlai Stevenson in the 1950s, “You are doing great. All thinking men are with you.” “No,” Stevenson replied. “I need a majority.”

    1. Re:Optimistic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does he think about representing truth like an honorary doctorate ? Nothing more truthful than having a doctorate you didn't earn.

    2. Re:Optimistic by InfiniteZero · · Score: 1

      Good point.. But it does say "honorary" before the "doctorate".

    3. Re:Optimistic by chispito · · Score: 1

      Cook is way too optimistic. If all of us stopped for a minute to think things through, we wouldn't have been in the mess we are in. Can't blame him though. A large part of the man's job is to think, so he thinks (pun intended) it comes natural for everyone. It's the reverse Dunning–Kruger effect.

      Someone told Democrat presidential candidate Adlai Stevenson in the 1950s, “You are doing great. All thinking men are with you.” “No,” Stevenson replied. “I need a majority.”

      As long as "think things through" is equal parts intelligence and pragmatic leadership. If you're not careful you get another Woodrow Wilson.

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    4. Re:Optimistic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A large part of the man's job is to think, so he thinks (pun intended)

      What pun?

      Pun: a joke exploiting the different possible meanings of a word or the fact that there are words that sound alike but have different meanings.

  23. Meh, Postmodernism by pipingguy · · Score: 1

    What does objective 'truth' even mean in a postmodern era, where 'your truth' is not 'my truth' and reality is just a competing set of narratives supported by carefully-selected information?

    1. Re:Meh, Postmodernism by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

      I'll have to contact the Ministry of Truth and get back to you.

    2. Re:Meh, Postmodernism by l0g0s · · Score: 1

      Indeed. “Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please.” Mark Twain Truth should be self-evident and able to stand on it's own merit. It does not need to be defended and is not culturally relevant. Truth is universally relevant.Our interpretation of truth is what screws everything up.

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    3. Re: Meh, Postmodernism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It means postmodernism is bankrupt and needs to be pitched in the dustbin of history.

  24. diverse media by unixisc · · Score: 1

    The Alt-Right is just a faction on the Right that has differences w/ other conservatives. Breitbart hardly equals all, or even most of the portion of the media that is conservative

    Point Cook made was that in the past, only 3 or 4 people told us the news, and all of them were, for want of a better term, Left-of-Center. This had been borne out election after election, where 90+% of journalists would reveal that they voted for the Democrats. In no walk of life do you get such homogeneous opinions, so when that happens, people who disagree w/ them are justified in wondering whether they are lying to them. That's why we had things like Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Drudge Report, Blaze TV, Breitbart, et al. While that may look like a lot, keep in mind that if you have just basic TV, FNC is not a part of the deal, in which case your only choices are ABC, CBS, NBC and PBS. Even the Fox Broadcast Channel does not have the same bent as FNC, and even FNC has its share of Liberals like Sheppard Smith, Juan Williams and Julie Rogansky. So even w/ all this, the Left certainly had an overwhelming advantage when it came to the media.

    The way Social Media changes all this is that everybody is a potential news source, and w/ that, comes all the trolling, but seriously, this is no different from Usenet - for those who remember. Flame wars are just a part of it. Also, w/ media bias being what it's been, people on the right who are disgusted by it have left them in droves, and are either turning to these alternate sources, or even hearing directly from the horse's mouth. I mean, why would a Trump supporter go to CNN or NBC or even FNC when they can directly read his Twitter account. And the same goes for Trump haters - they can go to Hilary, Bernie, Schumer, Warren or any number of Trump haters out there.

    The thing that the Left is bitter about is that their monopoly and control on information flow is gone. If anyone can pull out their smartphone, videotape something and then put it on Facebook, how do their 'journalists' who simply sit in their studios and bloviate justify their 6-7 figure salaries?

    1. Re:diverse media by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      for want of a better term, Left-of-Center

      I call them "corporate left" in the same way Fox News is "corporate right." Just like the DNC and the GOP establishment, they'll "fight" for years and years over tranny bathrooms or gay marriage, but gosh the Republicans and Democrats have absolutely no problem getting together to pass expanded surveillance powers or TPP fast track with no opposition. It's all distraction. The six corporate conglomerates that own all the media in the country basically agree on everything and just use the media to propagandize the public into supporting their economic agenda (or ignoring economic issues entirely) while fanning constant outrage over race/sex/religion/etc. None of these things actually matter to the elite, of course. If you've got enough money, no one cares what color you are or where you stick your dick.

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    2. Re:diverse media by hambone142 · · Score: 1

      Back in the "old days" news was more-neutral. Walter Cronkite for example had a degree of credibility. Now "news" is entertainment and profitable for the sources. The quality of "journalism" (if you want to call it that) has severely declined. Newscasters are now pretty faces and personalities vs. journalists.

      Networks and newspapers used to be the primary news sources. Now everyone is a news source with blogs, smartphone cameras posting on youtube, etc. With "news" coming from so many sources, many with bias, it's up to the reader to filter out the truth.

      On "Smarter Every Day", there was an interview with Obama and he was asked why news/people are so polarized. Though I'm not an Obama supporter (or Trump for that matter), Obama brought up an interesting point. That was that many people seek news sources that match their opinions, be it left, middle or right. That's all some listen to so they don't get a balanced viewpoint, only one that matches their bias.

      It's very difficult to find a single unbiased news source.

      The balancing must be done by us now.

  25. Reality and its bias by unixisc · · Score: 0

    That's the new cliche of you people - that 'reality has a Left Wing bias'. If it did, everything Obama and your side told us about the economy and how great we were doing would have been true. Our kids would have been at the top of the world in education, and companies wouldn't have been searching for talent abroad.

    1. Re:Reality and its bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Obama neither is nor was he ever left wing.

      The US political landscape is so enormously skewed to the right it is no longer even funny.

      There is no actual left wing with any voice to speak of in the US.

      The spectrum begins at right-wing (D), continues via very right-wing (most "reasonable" conservatives) and heads off to ludicrously right-wing (the current band of lunatics in power.)

      This is when comparing to the world as a whole, mind you. If you look at things only relatively, then you are bound to have stuff both to the left and to the right of you.

      But make no mistake, the whole US is phenomenally right-wing, D and R alike.

    2. Re:Reality and its bias by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Only if you assume that Obama was the perfect embodiment of left wing bias.

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    3. Re:Reality and its bias by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      That's the new cliche of you people - that 'reality has a Left Wing bias'.

      Yeah. New. As in "from 2004". Thanks for proving that "new cliche" utterly true and in fact a fact. http://www.slapnose.com/archiv...

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    4. Re:Reality and its bias by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, the 21st century version of 'The Soviets were not true Communists'. That famous 'No true Scotsman' argument

    5. Re:Reality and its bias by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Your "fact" is a reference to a blog about a blurb from The Daily Show? Thanks for proving just how smug and asinine that cliche is.

    6. Re:Reality and its bias by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Your "fact" is a reference to a blog about a blurb from The Daily Show? Thanks for proving just how smug and asinine that cliche is.

      It proves the "new cliche of you people" is over a decade old. Thanks for being fact free since 2004.

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    7. Re:Reality and its bias by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Horseshit. You wouldn't know actual left-of-centre if it came up and bit your arse.

      And US companies were not searching for *talent* abroad, they were searching for *cheap labour*.

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    8. Re:Reality and its bias by Raenex · · Score: 1

      I know it isn't new, but that's hardly a basis to claim the cliche is "utterly true and in fact a fact" just because a poster wasn't familiar with it's earlier use.

    9. Re:Reality and its bias by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      I know it isn't new, but that's hardly a basis to claim the cliche is "utterly true and in fact a fact" just because a poster wasn't familiar with it's earlier use.

      The fact that you complain after shifting the goal post proves it is a fact. Because else you wouldn't complain about how facts get in the way of your "reality".

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    10. Re:Reality and its bias by Raenex · · Score: 1

      I'm not shifting the goal post. I was not the original poster that you replied to, and it was you who claimed the cliche was "utterly true and in fact a fact" while linking to a blog about a blurb from The Daily Show. If you want to make grandiose claims, try linking to something substantial.

    11. Re:Reality and its bias by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Oh, so it's okay if you just declare another goal the actual goal, because you are joining a game already running? If you don't want to stay on a discussions topic, you are off-topic. Period.

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    12. Re:Reality and its bias by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, the 21st century version of 'The Soviets were not true Communists'. That famous 'No true Scotsman' argument

      I think you're not a dim-witted person, so I'll respond to this with the assumption that you're just making a disingenuous argument against someone you yourself consider to be dim-witted.

      Claiming that the Soviets weren't true Communists is an arguable point from many angles, starting with Marx, and ending with Trotsky.
      Also, Claiming that they were is equally valid.

      Of course if someone is interested in the real facts of the case and wants to find out where they really went so wrong, you'd arrive at the conclusion that Leninism, practiced in any form, in favor of any economic model, is pretty much bad for everyone.

      I suspect that today, in the 21st century, very few self-proclaimed leftists are Leninists. Vanguard parties and dictatorships suck.
      At the end of the day, there was very little difference between Hitler and Stalin. They had different theories about what would work best economically for their war machines, but they were both slime bag dictators. Neither libertarian, nor communist beliefs requires a dictatorship. The fact that a lot of Communist revolutions have ended in one is for the same reason that nearly all right-wing revolutions have ended in one- because the people who orchestrate a revolution tend to do it for the sake of seizing power. They're not seizing power for the sake of a revolution.

    13. Re:Reality and its bias by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      The fact that you complain after shifting the goal post proves it is a fact.

      No, it does not. It just proves that he's willing to be deceitful in his argument, as are you. It does however prove that you have no fucking idea what the word fact means.

    14. Re:Reality and its bias by Raenex · · Score: 0

      Oh, so it's okay if you just declare another goal the actual goal

      No, that was you when you made the grandiose claim. I was responding to your claim.

    15. Re:Reality and its bias by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Oh, so it's okay if you just declare another goal the actual goal

      No, that was you when you made the grandiose claim. I was responding to your claim.

      And now you make shit up like all good conservatives. Trump must be so proud.

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    16. Re:Reality and its bias by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      The fact that you complain after shifting the goal post proves it is a fact.

      No, it does not. It just proves that he's willing to be deceitful in his argument, as are you. It does however prove that you have no fucking idea what the word fact means.

      Says the alt-facter.

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    17. Re:Reality and its bias by Raenex · · Score: 0

      And you deny that you said something that's a digital record of fact, like a good libtard: "Thanks for proving that "new cliche" utterly true and in fact a fact."

      Clinton must be proud.

    18. Re:Reality and its bias by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      Says the alt-facter.

      lol- excellent rebuttal, Donald.

    19. Re:Reality and its bias by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      And you deny that you said something that's a digital record of fact, like a good libtard: "Thanks for proving that "new cliche" utterly true and in fact a fact."

      Clinton must be proud.

      Stalin must be proud of you since that doesn't say what you claim it does. Yes, you are a true conservative like Stalin.

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    20. Re:Reality and its bias by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Says the alt-facter.

      lol- excellent rebuttal, Donald.

      How nice of you to sign your posts. Now you only have to sign it wth your real name: Mr. Bannon.

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    21. Re:Reality and its bias by Raenex · · Score: 0

      What does it say, then? "Thanks for proving that "new cliche" utterly true and in fact a fact."

      Stalin, like a true leftist authoritarian, would be proud of you, not me, for trying to pass off this Orwellian doublethink. The only problem is you have no power, so it just comes off as petty bullshit.

    22. Re:Reality and its bias by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      What does it say, then? "Thanks for proving that "new cliche" utterly true and in fact a fact."

      Stalin, like a true leftist authoritarian, would be proud of you, not me, for trying to pass off this Orwellian doublethink. The only problem is you have no power, so it just comes off as petty bullshit.

      It says what it says, not what you claim it says, you Stalinist pig.

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    23. Re:Reality and its bias by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Then what does it say that is different than what I claim it says? Who do you think you are fooling? It's a black and white statement.

  26. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the goals in experimental science is to remove bias.

  27. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Mashiki · · Score: 2

    You mean that "left-wing bias" which gives rise to things like 20 years of screaming "the nazis/white supremacists are coming." Or "it's okay to punch nazis/etc" or "everyone is a racist/sexist/homophobes if you don't agree with us" type of bias? Or "pepe is a racist hate symbol" type of left-wing bias. We can keep going down this form of reality you're pushing, but that doesn't make it true. And if anything, it simply paints the left very unhinged. How about the "kkk are on the rise again" type of bias? You know when their actual membership is so tiny, that they're smaller in organizational size then that group of leftists at UC Berkeley stood along side.

    Yep, I know, it's very comforting for you to think that there's this mythical "alt-right" that's lurking behind everything on the right side of politics these days. But then again, considering that Trump's message resonated with every sector of the electorate and he did better then the last candidates. Seems like it's not a "1950's idea. It's a 1980's idea, where people weren't having their jobs outsourced to 3rd world labor.

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  28. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    This is what he means by a few alt-right spewing lies.

    Don't let reality hurt you. It's a very harsh mistress. When you decide to look, you can also note how the tone of media has changed as it's been consolidated into particular hands. I recommend the washington post as a starting point, then move onto NBC.

    Yeah, we're trying to prevent that BEFORE it happens, not after.

    Too bad it's already happening isn't it? That it's been going on for years. That you can look at Germany and see the government leaning on media and police not to report statistics. That one can look at Sweden where police officers are threatened with "racism" charges for reporting facts. Where the governments make demands of social media to censor things which are contrary to the presented viewpoint. Or police threaten and dox people for not wanting refugees in their backyard, or having particular points of view on sexuality. Or universities and student unions engaging in no-platforming, or threatening speakers because their view points no longer fit the radical agendas that are being pushed. Yes, very much trying to prevent what's already happening and encouraging a "further" counter-pendulum swing with your actions.

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  29. alt right by unixisc · · Score: 2

    Actually, the 'alt-right' is real, but not in the way that Leftist clowns like to depict it. It's a genuine fissure on the Right

    Traditional Conservatism - of the type that the Bushes and the GOP establishment loved - was the international, free trade, open borders & immigration, service Wall Street policies across the board. Also, they were stuck in the Cold War era, and Russia simply succeeded the Soviet Union as the #1 enemy. For those who think it's a personality issue w/ Putin, they were not supportive of Yeltsin either. But even though Communism was dead - at least in terms of losing the Soviet Union and all of Eastern Europe, they pretended that Communism was still the major ideological enemy. Granted, it's making a strong showing in the US w/ Sen Warren and in the UK w/ Jeremy Corbin, but it's not the threat to the rest of the world the way it was during the Cold War. Islam has replaced it in that aspect, but the traditional Conservatives are still cozy w/ the likes of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Islamic countries.

    The Alt Right has for the first time put a lot of these sacred cows to the slaughter (being a Hindu, I don't like this analogy, but it's all I can think of at the moment). They recognize that Islam is the biggest threat to the West, which is why they're not obsessed w/ Russia in the way that the Republican establishment is. They recognize that trade deals like NAFTA haven't worked for the US, and are happy to revisit it. They are the only ones looking at H1B abuse: the traditional Conservatives want to service the businesses that want them, while the Liberals want the future votes of the new citizens. They are the ones questioning whether NATO is still relevant, given its inclusion of Turkey, which is on the Islamic side of this conflict.

    While Trump may have moved this a bit, and Bannon is key in getting a lot of alt right policies in, the party as a whole hasn't yet shifted that way, except maybe in the Rust Belt states that Trump won this time around. Hopefully, by the next elections, they succeed in taking over the GOP, and purging the likes of McCain, Graham, Collins and so on.

    1. Re:alt right by meta-monkey · · Score: 0

      What you're calling "traditional conservatism" is actually neoconservatism, which was started by ex-trotskyites who wanted a more aggressive and pro-Israel foreign policy (see Bill Kristol's dad). What you're calling "alt right" is more like paleoconservatism (see Pat Buchanan) which used to just be called "conservatism" before the neocons declared victory and dropped the "neo."

      "Alt right" itself was basically a labeling trap. Spencer coined the phrase "alt right" as a rebranding of white nationalism (which is not paleoconservatism, which is a civic/economic nationalism that may be racially aware but is not racially exclusive). Then other toy ideologies that rejected neoconservatism but were still opposed to the left like neo-reaction or monarchism adopted the term. By the time Trump came around and started attracting everyone who recognized the left has gone moonbat insane with their 47 genders and white privilege and BLM race riots it simply meant "everyone opposed to the left who isn't a neocon." This is how Milo described it in his Breitbart article and is the context for Bannon's statement that Breitbart gave the alt right a platform...paleocons, libertarians, ancaps, and yes a few white nationalists and even people LARPing as Nazis.

      However by the left's "One Drop Rule of Nazism," if there's a single Nazi among 63 million people who aren't Nazis, ALL 63 MILLION TRUMP VOTERS ARE NAZIS WHO MUST BE BEATEN TO DEATH. And then Spencer who has absolutely no audience or influence outside of his immediate circle showed up and said "hail Trump" conveniently in front of cameras for every major news organization and "alt right = nazi" forever and ever. Which is fine. There's no reason to self-identify as "alt right" when the term is ambiguous and we have more descriptive words like "paleocon" or "ancap."

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    2. Re:alt right by radl33t · · Score: 1

      The only story that makes sense to me is that radical Islam is a threat (and a response) to western domination over the middle east since the crumbling of the Ottoman empire. The evidence for toying with and destroying countries and cultures in the area for the past several generations is legion. There is no other rational narrative.

      There are more immediate and long term threats than a bunch of assholes in the desert. For example we shoot ourselves and each other by accident and on purpose about 3,000 times more frequently than we experience casualties due to Islamic terror. In fact mentally unstable people in our own country "terrorize" the population more frequently than radical Islam and yet we oppose basic rules to bar mentally unstable people from gun ownership. We also OD on prescription opiates at similar rates as we shoot each other. It's appalling. We have massive looming fiscal problems due to broken social and military spending programs and commitments. We are now provoking our allies as well as our "enemies", which will irreversibly consume our cultural or "soft" power. We are turning our back on new industries and global challenges that the vast majority of globe are embracing. We are embrace domestic cultural wars at the detriment to solving any of our legitimate problems. Literally we are more focused on ripping our selves apart, tribal nationalistic teeth gnashing above all else. That is the main threat today. Rather fortunate for anyone who opposes US power and influence abroad

      Radical Islam isn't something I have -ever- even considered a threat to myself or future prosperity ... even as I watched our symbols of global economic dominion fall at the hands of extremists. Extremists that were from a country, by the way, that did and does still represent all that is awful about US influence in the region. I don't see arguments in favor of the threat of Islam that are not predicated on fear, propaganda, or more usually a health dosage of both. OP of this thread and consummate right wing partisan doesn't even comprehend basic statistical thinking and this is supposedly a technocrat nerd site. This obsession with radical Islamic terror is not a shining example of American Exceptionalism (C) or even a basic rational threat assessment. We've effectively been trolled into conflicts with people who justify themselves and their power by the conflict. Absurd.

    3. Re:alt right by unixisc · · Score: 1

      What exactly is a 'Paleocon'? I knew it as a Jew hating Conservative - the types that CNN once used to have - Bob Novak, Pat Buchanan and John Sununu

    4. Re:alt right by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      What do any of those people have to do with hating Jews?

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    5. Re:alt right by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      As a leftist and amateur historian, if Trump doesn't want to be called a Nazi he should act less like Hitler. If Trump supporters don't want to be called Nazis they can act less like they people that got Hitler into power.

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    6. Re:alt right by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      They recognize that Islam is the biggest threat to the West,

      Which makes them idiots. There are unfortunately many Muslims who want Islam to be a threat, but they don't have what it takes. Lots and lots of people (including Westerners) greatly underestimate the power and resilience of Western civilization. Lots of radical Muslims take the fact that we haven't ground them into the dirt as evidence that we can't. I suspect this means they'd use such power a lot more freely than the generally forbearing West. Lots of them have no real overall strategy other than relying on God and miracles. The annoying thing about that is that they can't be convinced they're beaten just because they are, something like the Japanese Empire in WWII (relying on miracles and the idea that the US would at some point decide continuing the war wasn't worth it).

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    7. Re:alt right by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Trump is not in any way acting like Hitler. As far as supporters, it's the leftists in America who are committing violence against their political opponents instead of arguing and voting. You are the fascists.

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    8. Re:alt right by unixisc · · Score: 1

      If you see parallels b/w Trump and Hitler, then even describing your historian status as 'amateur' is being flattery

    9. Re:alt right by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Learn some history.

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  30. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe it's because today's republicans are fucking nuts?

    People who are ok with much higher death rates of mothers because of Planned Parenthood.
    People who are ok with companies being allowed to poison the water & air for tax breaks
    People who are ok with destroying American education because it's not perfect today
    People who are ok with bribery for tax breaks
    People who are ok with racists being in charge of just about everything
    People who are ok with fucking over the less well off for tax breaks

    Fuck off with your pretentious idiocy. The press tone hasn't changed, it's just that the republicans have moved from conservative to fascist.

  31. Not what society needs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Society doesn't need to evolve past greed. What society needs is to evolve past coercion. In the absence of coercion, greed is merely something to point and laugh at.

    All of the real problems in this world can be traced back to coercion, whether legal or illegal, public or private.

    You remind me of the people who say that religion is the root of all evil. That's just as absurd. In the absence of coercion, religion is merely something to point and laugh at.

    1. Re:Not what society needs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      spotted idiot libertarian.

    2. Re:Not what society needs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spotted the guy who resorts to personal attacks to make up for his inability to engage in critical thinking.

    3. Re: Not what society needs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Insightful, but hominids are social creatures thus getting pointed and laughed at is a form of coercion.

  32. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Problem is people don't really want to think, they want to be told what to think.

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  33. Re: Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Europe? Too late. Nice deflection attempt, tho.

  34. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's skip the crazy and go right to the insane.

    The press tone hasn't changed, it's just that the republicans have moved from conservative to fascist.

    Uh-huh. Republicans are fascist. Oh boy! Look at all those progressives and so on openly supporting actual fascism. What shall the world ever do in the face of such hypocrisy and failing self-realization that they're everything that they claim the opposition is.

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  35. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    grow up.

    We stopped having journalists a long time ago. Now we have 'news' which is just that persons opinion with some cherry - picked 'facts' to support them.

    And guess what? At the New York Times the first department that was cut was the fact checkers.

  36. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

    Fuck off with your pretentious idiocy. The press tone hasn't changed, it's just that the republicans have moved from conservative to fascist.

    How do you know it's not the left that's changed from being "liberal" to basically Stalinist? My politics haven't really changed since the mid 90s and nobody ever called me a racist or a fascist until about two years ago.

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  37. Re:Nazism in America by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    Unless Donald Trump is trying to bring about the Fourth Reich, etc then he's probably not a Nazi.
    The simplest explanation is usually the correct one, and that is Trump is just a regular old sack of human waste stuffed into a suit.

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  38. As Slashdot shows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People on here seem bombarded by massive amounts of mostly partial but generally conflicting data provided by many news sources. Each news source appears more focused on quantity as opposed to quality and news is far more about opinion than fact.

    I am impressed that the typical person today prefers to receive news that makes them feel smarter because it is always possible to find a news source that simply tells them what they want to hear as opposed to properly informing and even educating the consumer.

    Slashdot is generally frequented by a "more educated readership" and yet we have such diverse backgrounds and interests that we favor debate over discussion or exchange of opinions of common observations. We display clear signs of choosing teams or camps. Many people (often myself included) favor arguing in favor of opinion with lack of regard or respect for others.

    Imagine a less informed and more easily influenced general public.

    Consider that often we express our own flavor of popular opinion. We universally lean towards expressing black and white opinions. Moderation and cooperation is often perceived as pandering or weakness. We almost never express positive opinions either. We favor criticism and rarely the constructive type.

    If we the "educated few" sell ourselves to others as intellectuals with a clearer understanding of our world behave primarily in a purely negative and critical fashion, imagine the example we are setting for others. They will learn that to sell their appearance to others as more intelligent than they are, they should present themselves as combative and contrary to other people's opinions.

    I hope that instead we could teach ourselves to behave more intelligently as better role models that learn to speak before we speak. We can use our intellect to solve problems as opposed to simply always identifying them and blaming others for them.

    An example, people ask me regularly what I feel about Donald Trump as president. I explain that while I don't like his behavior and don't know enough about him to properly form an opinion, I would rather support him when he behaves well and explain to him in a civil manor when he performs poorly and hopefully recommend a means of him doing better while still achieving his goals. I believe his primary goal is infamy. I believe he wants to leave a mark on the world and is willing to do anything he believes is necessary to achieve immortality. I thibk he believes that by manipulating the loudest and most dominant people in leadership, he will be given free reign to build a wall that can be seen from space and maybe even set the world on edge. He will achieve his goals too. I am sure that when presented with sound reasoning and concepts he would be willing to support it and make it happen if it will help him achieve greatness. I believe we can manipulate him into doing great things that are good for us all... all we need is an angle which will feed his ego sufficiently.

  39. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We used to watch three or four people tell us the news, and generally speaking most of us trusted that

    Generally speaking, that 'most of us' was stupid if they trusted it. We trusted Dan Rather till he got caught, some still make excused for him so they don't have to admit their oversight. Sounds like Tim Cook likes to assume everyone else fell for the same crap he did.

    The internet has caused its own set of problems with news, but that doesn't mean we aren't better off.

  40. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by meta-monkey · · Score: 1, Troll

    Reality has a well known left-wing bias.

    People unironically believe this.

    No, reality doesn't conform to anyone's politics. Reality has a fascist bias. Your ideology doesn't mean shit when Achmed is sawing your head off.

    That said, a political ideology that at least tries to take reality and human nature into account is going to do better than one that tries to force its preferences onto reality. There are not 47 genders, men and women are different, human evolution is real and did not magically stop in everything but skin color when man stepped out of Africa meaning racial differences are more than skin deep. This is reality, but neither left-wing politics nor your corporate media pals on CNN or MSNBC acknowledge this reality.

    To say reality has a left-wing bias is to top ignorance with hubris. Now add in belligerence and you're right at home with your antifa friends.

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  41. Is that really true? I doubt it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that really true? I doubt it.

  42. Boycott gay Apple! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tim Cook is gay. I hate gays. Can't be trusted.

    I have not bought a single Apple product since Tim Cook is gay was made public.

    Boycott gay Apple!

  43. Re: Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Did we ever have nonbiased journalists? Yellow news wasn't some 21st century invention. There has always been a tilt and agenda in anything for public consumption. Town cryers were propaganda agents before literacy kicked in. If we drop the fallacy that news services are somehow neutral observers, and read it for what it's worth, we would all be better off. Skepticism and multiple sources are great. Automated news feeds showing you the same echo chamber is creating a dangerous bubble.

  44. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by garaged · · Score: 2

    I don't want to be rude or troll, I sincerely believe what I will reply to your comment

    There is a huge fraction of the population (at least in my country, .mx) that do not want to be told what to think, but people are pragmatic, since it looks terribly complicated or even likely that the things will change for good, the simply let the world/humanity go on, that does not mean people are happy, or that they will accept much more crapy things from gobernment/media/etc

    Let's go with something "new" as example: the fake news issue. In México we had in the recent months a lot of issues with fake news, in politics, violence, clown jokes, etc. People all over the place came telling the terrible things that were happening here and there, only to eventually see that they were fake, so, in the last 3-4 months we passed from 50% of the people believing a lot of fake news, to current maybe 10% of them believing only those fake news that are quite plausible.

    Is not that they wanted to be told what to think, they were over confident on the sources, but that changed a lot in very few months, I think that is a probe in favor of most people.

    Yes, even in México we have racism, classism, and some other -isms, but by far they are not the majority, you can see a lot of poor/uneducated/whatever-classifier people that actually understand the tricks of politics and economics, and they are pretty conscious on what the real problem is about all the difficulties we are facing, so it is really likely that the last paragraph you wrote will happen a lot in the next months years.

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  45. Re: Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Maybe you've been a racist and a fascist, but no one called you out because people felt you were one of the isolated cases that would eventually learn of your mistakes or you never spoke out until recently. An admittedly large oversight and fatal mistake but hindsight is 20:20. Instead, you were largely ignored and labeled an unharmful relic of older US culture and left alone to continue your ways, expected to be phased out. Now, every racist, bigot and fascist feels empowered as if that behavior is now acceptable, largely thanks to President Bannon and his pet Donald Trump.

    Disclaimer: Idk you or pose this is as truth for your case, but this is a reasonable hypothetical possibility. I know I wasn't aware how many bigots were near me until recently they started vocalizing their opinions and referencing sheer conspiracy theories, using tabloids and evidence. They were always quite nice in person. To be fair, the very same events brought out ignorant ultra left wing liberals that support ideas with no apparent rationale.

  46. Missing the point deliberatly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whilst it's true that anyone can influence you online, the missing and important point is that social media is built around a small number of platforms, and whoever controls the platforms controls the narrative.

  47. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... when Achmed is sawing your head off.

    human evolution is real and did not magically stop in everything but skin color when man stepped out of Africa meaning racial differences are more than skin deep.

    My politics haven't really changed since the mid 90s and nobody ever called me a racist or a fascist until about two years ago.

    What brand of hearing aid did you buy about two years ago, meta-monkey?

  48. hmmmmm, except that I have noticed that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the people using violence to intimidate their political opponents, and the people starting fires and breaking windows and boycotting businesses are (as ALWAYS) the people on the LEFT (just like the National Socialist German Workers Party in the 1930s - some things never change).

    After all that talk about violence at Trump rallys, it turned out that the Hillary team was funding, training and organizing the thugs that went to those rallies to start the fights and Trump was right that his people were not the instigators when he told them to punch back (go to YouTube and look at the undercover project veritas videos of the Democrat campaign thugs bragging)

    Of course, the violent right wing theme was proven by all the violent riots in 2008 when people on the right were freaked-oout by the election of Obama.... oh, wait, there WERE no riots by people on the right back after the Obama elections. Right-wing entertainers in 2008 and 2012 did not tell Americans to boycott Democrat businesses. Right-wing politicians in 2008 did not oppose Obama's cabinet picks en-masse (the Republicans in the Senate nearly all voted to confirm even the nomiinees they found highly objectionable). Right wing college kids burned nothing, broke no windows, ran no Obama supporters off of campus to prevent their free speech. Right wing mobs did not march through the streets blocking traffic and intimidating the public.

    The full-on accusation of "NAZI" does not truly apply to either side of the spectrum in the US where neither side has massacred millions of people of a specific ethinicity, but YOUR side has been flinging that 'NAZI' term around like monkeys flinging poop, so its only fair that you face the facts on the below-the-level-of-geneocide similarities.

    The brown shirted violent intimidation and business boycotting is and alway has been leftist. NAZI brown shirts trashed the businesses of their opponents, demanded boycotts of the businesses of their opponents, beat-up their opponents, screamed and yelled and marched throught the streets in huge mobs, while blocking the speech of their opponents. Neither you nor Bannon has killed millions, so neither is NAZI-like at that level, but if you want to look at tactics then Your team is the NAZI-like team, and you're too stupid and ill-informed to even notice that YOUR side is the side using EXACTLY the same tactics as the actual NAZIs

  49. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

    The problem is it's impossible to defend CNN when they do shit like this. When Trump calls CNN "fake news," he's not wrong.

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  50. I've seen the fourth Reich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    his first name is Robert, and he used to work for Bill clinton. He can now be seen, like most left-wing flunkies, "teaching" the young-and-gullible at a university.

    oops

    I thought you were looking for 1/4th Reich.

    My bad

    1. Re:I've seen the fourth Reich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I may be the only one to get the joke. But I laughed.

    2. Re:I've seen the fourth Reich by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      If you young adults can't learn to think for themselves at a University then there is no hope for any of us.

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  51. Re: Cook will have to apologize soon by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or maybe it's because the left changed the definitions of racism and fascism to suit themselves? When I was a kid I was taught to judge a man by the content of his character and not the color of skin. So, when a black man is shot by a white cop, I observe that in this instance the black man happened to be a violent criminal who was attacking the officer and the officer was defending himself, so I judge the content of this particular black guy's character as "dirtbag" and so I don't care about the shooting. Good for the officer. The left insists that no, I must judge the white cop by the color of his skin as white (and therefore bad and in the wrong) and the dirtbag by the color of skin as black (and therefore good and oppressed) and demand the head of the cop.

    This isn't what racism used to be. You fuckers on the left changed the definition so you can call your political opponents racist. Doesn't make it so. The right didn't go insane. The left went off the goddamn deep end with their 47 genders and race riots for thugs and white privilege bullshit.

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  52. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    You have some strange ideas about the political left.

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  53. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    No, I mean the left wing bias that infuriates people and causes them to say things like "I'm not racist, but..." or scream "stop calling me a Nazi all the time just because I like Hitler and ethnic cleansing".

    Seriously, that Richard Spencer guy is actually annoyed that people point out that "peaceful ethnic cleansing" and an admiration for Hitler and a tendency to associate with neo Nazis is getting him labelled unfairly. And Steve Bannon, poor guy, all he does is repeatedly say the things that a white supremacist would say and people start accusing him of actually being one! As if the things he says somehow indicate what his beliefs are!

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  54. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is because conservatism is the politics of nostalgia and ignoring things that only affect other people.

    There's nothing wrong with a country putting its own interests first, and that is not incompatible with caring about and helping others.

    Trump wants things to be like the 1950s again. It's even in his campaign slogan: Make American Great Again, as in it used to be great and should go back to that state.

    Straw man. You seem to be implying that he supports racist/sexist/homophobic action when that's not true. Being great does not mean completely without flaws, and being great again does not mean reverting to the exact same state (see links).

    http://netrightdaily.com/2016/...

    The alt-right like this, because after all it is a movement that started with white supremacists. In the 1950s, white people had more rights and power than others. Of course it sucked if you were not white, but... meh, it's those people's own fault or something.

    As a conservative, I only started hearing the term alt-right a few months ago on Reddit, so I have no idea about its origin, but most of what I saw were reasonable people unhappy with the way things are going (though of course there were also a few crazies, like in any community). Trump got more minority votes than any Republican candidate in 40 years. Don't tell me that him or the majority of his supporters are white supremacists when they cheer him for telling him like it is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04...

    And that's what the new alt-right media offers: comfort.

    I actually agree that the alt-right media offers comfort, because I find comfort in the truth. I find comfort that there are people out there publishing well-reasoned arguments because I'm tired of being force-fed a narrative. I find comfort when I see people rationally debating over things without screaming and violence. I find comfort that when an alt-right journalist says that it's insane that we can be accused of racism for saying "I don't see race." I find comfort in the fact that half of my fellow Americans haven't been completely brainwashed even if many are afraid to speak up because of a violence-promoting left, as was recently shown in Berkeley.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  55. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Reality has a well known left-wing bias.

    Left-wing liberalism is a very recent phenomena in the history of mankind, having only been around since the 20th century. It's also a very localized phenomena, afflicting only the rich white-man countries of Western Europe, N. America and Australia. To the vast majority of the human population, liberalism is an utterly foreign concept.

    In other words, it's a fad.

    Don't believe me? Let's take all the refugees/illegal immigrants that liberals love so much. In the U.S. they are mostly from Mexico, China, Middle Eastern countries. Yes these recent arrivals all vote Democrat, but is it because they're actually liberal? Or is it because they just want free stuff and the ability to bring in more of their friends/family into the country, which the Dems promise them?

    I'll start with China since I'm actually from there and very familiar with the culture. There is NO FREAKING LIBERALISM THERE! The culture is very conservative. Hard work, family values, obeying the laws. Drugs? Sex? Rock and roll? If you get caught selling drugs they will EXECUTE YOU. Women's rights? Yeah we treat our women decently, but when it turns out that the entirety of high ranking government officials are all male, or 95% of business leaders are all men, nobody gives a shit and there is no outrage that women are not represented in leadership positions. That's because people just expect that men make better leaders than women. We are also quite patriotic and proud of our culture. We don't burn our nation's flag and indulge in self-hatred, maybe because we didn't enslave blacks or kill off native Indians and therefore don't carry this massive guilt around.

    I'm not as familiar with Muslim culture, but from what I've read it's even less liberal than Chinese. At least we don't stone women to death for showing some skin or whatever. And I'm pretty sure gay rights movement is not a thing in Muslim countries.

    Mexican culture does seem somewhat more liberal than Chinese or Muslim, but that could just be osmosis from being next to USA. Also Mexico is partly white from their Spanish heritage. But again, I don't see much liberal activism there, there's no big welfare culture there and there wasn't any outrage from Mexican liberals when the government of Mexico started building a wall on its southern border to keep out illegal immigrants from El Salvador.

    So yeah, liberalism is recent, it's confined to white man countries, and probably will die off in the near future. Any nation that goes full liberal really can't last very long. Hating your own country, wanting to destroy your own culture, hating your nation's founders and historical heros, this is the symptom of a nation wanting to commit suicide.

  56. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

    I spent five yeas in school learning how to eliminate bias from my observations.

  57. "Unfortunately"? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    What's unfortunate about making sure something is accurate? The former "gatekeepers" weren't that good at it.

    Eh, tl;dr version: We are on our own

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  58. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

    Even Cronkite read some fake, and lots of slanted, news. This is nothing new, yellow journalism launched the Spanish-American war. The golden age of television tried to bring the appearance of integrity to its news, but that was just to make the crowd control more effective when it was deemed necessary.

    Now we've got crowdsourced news, and it's totally out of control - the major outlets have more or less abandoned "equal time" and "neutrality" and just feed their audience what they want to hear. People are putting more and more faith in direct person-to-person communication, it's an interesting trend, potentially destabilizing.

  59. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, I mean the left wing bias that infuriates people and causes them to say things like "I'm not racist, but..." or scream "stop calling me a Nazi all the time just because I like Hitler and ethnic cleansing".

    People say the former because there are so many hyper-sensitive people around that they're genuinely afraid of being attacked (either verbally or otherwise) simply for sharing their opinion. For example: I think that BLM is a hypocritical movement that doesn't care about black lives because 95% of murders are black-on-black and their chants of "kill the police" make cops afraid to patrol their neighborhoods and the result is even more black-on-black killings in their absence. It's not a racist statement and I don't hate blacks, but I have been accused of racism for saying that.

    As to the latter... who ever said anything about ethnic cleansing? Stop with the straw mans.

    Seriously, that Richard Spencer guy is actually annoyed that people point out that "peaceful ethnic cleansing" and an admiration for Hitler and a tendency to associate with neo Nazis is getting him labelled unfairly.

    I'm not informed enough about Richard Spencer to say anything about this, but I'd like you to cite some examples. I'd also recommend that you keep in mind that admiring an attribute of a person doesn't make you adopt their views on everything. Wagner was Hitler's favorite composer and plenty of non-antisemites enjoy his music as well. Schwarzenegger admitted to admiring Hitler's speaking ability and leadership, though not what he did with it. Obviously all of these things are easily spun into something negative-sounding, but they don't actually mean that these people are Hitler or even bad people.

    And Steve Bannon, poor guy, all he does is repeatedly say the things that a white supremacist would say and people start accusing him of actually being one! As if the things he says somehow indicate what his beliefs are!

    Again, please cite some examples.

  60. Re: Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    So you're saying a white kid playing with a toy gun is just as likely to get shot by a police officer as a black kid?

    Because no, that insanity doesn't happen. If there was no problem with police violence and racism, then people would judge them by the color of their skin. You have cause and effect reversed.

  61. ANTIFA and SJW extremists... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are Nazi racists fascist bigots!

  62. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by coastwalker · · Score: 1

    The news about the right wing wingnut in Canada shooting up a mosque is equally ignored compared to the stories you say are suppressed. The right has no right to demand that their own hateful propaganda is supreme over the factual news which is what you people are arguing for. The problem is not that there are bad people in any community you care to mention. The problem is that there are fucking racists like you cunts who want to pick a fight with someone who is not white and Christian because you are hiding among white Christians who you can scare into a holocaust against a minority. No doubt you are driven by a need to end the world because of your particular religion but the rest of us would quite like to bring up our families and not to engage in war and persecution which fuckers like you are constantly demanding. 30,800 people a year die in automobile accidents in the United States but racist fuckers like you spend their entire lives inciting lynching of minorities - of which precisely two who killed in recent history may have come from a foreign country. You just do not like people who have a different colored skin do you, you nasty spiteful little boy.

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  63. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    men and women are different

    About 99% of the time when people say that, they mean "me and women are different in a way exactly given by the social norms in the country I identify with in the 1950s golden age which never actually existed as I think it did". Of those, about another 99% are using it as an excuse to make a judgment call on someone purely on the basis of their genitals.

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  64. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reality has a well known left-wing bias.

    That's why the glorious Soviet Socialist Republics finally triumphed in the cold war against American and the right-wing capitalists.

    And why China has dropped from shining towers and a well-fed populace to wooden shacks and starving impoverishment since they strayed from their socialist ideals.

    It's why Venezuelans have become rich and content since Hugo Chavez put them on the path to a workers paradise. (That took hardly any time at all.)

    It's also why Zimbabweans have billion dollar notes and dominate world culture.

    I was astounded when some delusional right-winger tried to claim that, "left-wingers will believe any old shit if it confirms their biases and you wrap it up in a soundbite". With all those examples of and the deep impoverishment, both economically and culturally, in places like Japan, South Korea, Switzerland, etc. how could someone be so blinkered?

  65. Tim Cook needs to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Way to make innovative products, Tim.

    Nice job with the watch.

    The only people buying your crap are people who already own your crap.

    Please fire Tim. He has no idea what he's doing and is putting all of his employees in jeopardy as he polarizes needlessly.

    Get back to making insanely great stuff.

    1. Re:Tim Cook needs to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, Tim the SJW.

      What a freakshow.

  66. islam as a threat by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Throughout the 90s, nobody even thought about Islam: everybody assumed that since the Cold War was over, we would live happily ever after. That despite things like the First WTC bombing, the Khobar Towers bombing, the Embassy bombings in Kenya & Tanzanya, the USS Cole and finally 9/11.

    And since 9/11, there have been more that 30,000 deadly Jihad attacks worldwide, this before there were any US troops in Afghanistan or Iraq. Yeah, there were US troops in KSA, but that was at the behest of the Saudi government in response to Saddam Hussein's 1991 occupation of Kuwait. People make the same assumptions you do b'cos they know nothing about the Islamic doctrines of Jihad, and the necessity to keep spreading Islamic law worldwide until Islam becomes supreme

    1. Re:islam as a threat by radl33t · · Score: 1

      I'm aware of barbarism espoused by more than one holy text... and have at least a casual enough familiarity with the history of Islam and terrorism to identify your references as well as the major sectarian conflicts that have plagued the religion for centuries, including the the strife between Muslims and other cultures in Africa and SE Asia. I'm also aware that the vast majorities of people of faith do not adhere to these specific doctrines.

      I see nothing in this comment that constitutes a threat. Let alone one that deserves more attention and resources than anything I outlined above.

  67. Re: i refuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sometimes there is justice in the world, which is why he's rich beyond your wildest dreams and you'll likely die huffing meth in a cesspit somewhere.

  68. Cook was Jobs' bottom man. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And as everybody knows, bottoms make crap tops :)

  69. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I assume you're from China.

    Yup. Typical conservative. You're happy and well off, your fellow countrymen are working for pennies under terrible labour conditions, and you couldn't give a shit.

    Ya, liberalism is relatively new, but so is modern medicine, motorized transportation, telecommunications, etc. All those used to be for rich western nations too.

  70. Translation from liberalese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple CEO Tim Cook censors all political opinions except his own.

  71. Missing the point ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... in the comment section.

    The fucking "press," died a few years ago. Journalists have all but disappeared.

    "Reporters," are actually actors who go from the makeup chair to the anchor desk on visual media to read the teleprompter.

    MSM is tapping into external content like YouTube as filler. I tell my wife, while watching David Muir talking up a cute kid tublet, "That video snippet was viral two days ago in the intertoobs.

    "News," has been monetized and is actually, "entertainment."

    Know who's fault all that shit is?

    Surprisingly, it's you and me.

    We are served that which which attracts our eyeballs.

    We don't want no fucking real news.

    We want sensational stories and we enjoy criticizing ourselves for our goddam tastes in "news."

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  72. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by epyT-R · · Score: 2

    The press tone hasn't changed, it's just that the republicans have moved from conservative to fascist.

    Nope. It's that democrats and academia have gone so radically left, defending traditional liberal arguments has become a conservative position.

  73. Re: Cook will have to apologize soon by epyT-R · · Score: 1

    The terms 'racist', 'bigot', and 'fascist' are so abused by the left nowadays they hardly mean anything at all.. Basically they hurl those epithets whenever someone disagrees with their platform and has the temerity to point out why.

  74. Re: Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And when a white cop shoots a black in the back, he was right to fear for his life. Because the "criminal" might have farted in his general direction.

    You have a Birther-in-Chief who promotes hate speech against judges doing their job, misrepresenting born Americans as "Mexicans" because of the color of their skin.

    Are you surprised a troll managed to create an angry mob?

  75. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No. Reality is whatever it is. Bias implies a distorted view of it. This prevents full understanding, especially when the bias is there to compartmentalize emotional response. To assume ones own doctrine is completely unbiased is arrogant as hell. I hope you can defend it.

    You do realize that your definition covers socialism as well? It's also an old idea that's been around at least since the late 1700s, and the last 100 years of application has had dubious results at best. The aftermath of Germany's national socialism and Russia's international flavor, Red China, and of course, North Korea has shown just how dehumanizing it can be. The current attempts in the EU are tearing that alliance apart as the international bureaucracy imposes itself more and more. Perhaps you should steer clear of argument from antiquity and focus on arguing merit instead. Of course, I understand that merit is considered bigotry today by progressive thought (eg "Myth of the Meritocracy") and that we should all be praying our sin awa..err I mean checking our privilege. How convenient.

    Comfort? Did you watch the MSM coverage of the election's aftermath? They were so smug and sure their favorite was going to win that when she didn't, the conflict between reality and their ideological assumptions was briefly laid bare to them. Talk about a mass 'triggering.'

  76. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by epyT-R · · Score: 1

    The "I'm not racist but" prefix is to stave off the irrational stampedes that occur when one of your precious 'oppressed class' is criticized by one in one in your 'oppressor classes'. The irrationality is rooted in your ideology, not in individual people expressing their opinions and/or making arguments. The latter example is just an ad hominem as well as a non-sequitur. Every large political position has its loons.. For every neo-nazi you can find, there are likely many times the number of feminists supporting mandated castration and black lives matter people shouting "kill whitey". Why? Because the former hasn't been acceptable for half a century now, while the latter's expression is celebrated as emancipation. Of course, you will likely deny this hypocrisy and try to justify it with all the logical loop twisting antics of Kent Hovind and his banana.

  77. Re: Cook will have to apologize soon by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

    hate speech

    Eat twelve hundred dicks and die.

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  78. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

    Ever think maybe the norms of society grew out of the ways in which men and women are biologically different?

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  79. Re: Cook will have to apologize soon by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

    Actually no a white man confronted by cops is more likely to get shot than a black man confronted by cops, because you can kill the white guy and an angry mob isn't going to burn down your city, assassinate your character and ruin your career.

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  80. Re: Cook will have to apologize soon by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Facts are no longer important do to a misinformation/confusion primarily campaign attempting to remove the validity of rational, evidence based thinking.

    The fact that the parent has been modded down as "Overrated"--when in fact it's spot-on--is a symptom of this.

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  81. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    And Steve Bannon, poor guy, all he does is repeatedly say the things that a white supremacist would say and people start accusing him of actually being one! As if the things he says somehow indicate what his beliefs are!

    Let's be fair, now--he's only spouting such things when he's not busy rooting for a war with China.

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  82. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just recently, a cop in Sweden spoke out about the massively disproportionate crime rates among non-European people. He's been accused of a hate crime and may be prosecuted for speaking the truth.

    The truth isn't always pleasant. Maybe crime helps cause poverty as well as vice versa. Maybe poor genes are somewhat responsible for poor IQs (and not just nutrition and culture).

  83. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reality has a right-wing bias. If you think DNA has nothing to do with the 60 IQ point difference between Jews and Australian aborigines, then you may have been successfully brainwashed by the media, educational system and the left generally.

    95% of the most significant inventions are by white people (and most of the rest are by East Asians): http://www.eupedia.com/europe/list_of_inventions_by_country.shtml

    And blacks have never received the Nobel Prize in the sciences: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_Nobel_laureates

  84. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because the American "Left" is Centre-Right at its leftmost

  85. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Dread_ed · · Score: 2

    It is difficult for people with a political bias that requires they conform to a narrative to put that aside and examine the world though a scientific lens, like evolutionary biology or some such. They cannot be unfaithful to their party even if the facts directly contradict what they have been told by their leaders and cohorts. This is merely one example of why I consider people who label themselves according to other people's terms, especially political labels, as mentally compromised.

    They will sell out the truth to defend a lie that furthers a cause that cares nothing for them. This behavior is completely illogical, self destructive, and fundamentally divisive and I cannot begin to fathom why someone would do this.

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  86. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    Ever think maybe the norms of society grew out of the ways in which men and women are biologically different?

    Having looked a bit at history and other cultures, I'd say: no.

    1950s America is not the definition of Humanity. Deal with it.

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  87. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh shit is my country a target of the right now. Hold on there big boy, keep your crazy south of the border.

  88. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not who your talking to but.. fuck off. I'm a commie leftist and proud of it. Take your nazi attitude back to your KKK hidy hole.

  89. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Feminists supporting mandatory castration... What the hell are you smoking? Feminism is all about control over your body, e.g. regarding abortion rights, and that includes objecting to ritual genital mutilation.

    This is the most batshit thing you have said for quite some time. New supplier?

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  90. Re: Cook will have to apologize soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmm..

    Perhaps then you would've been thrilled to hear that a Moroccan killed 6 people in Quebec last week.

    But saddened to find out later that it was a white man after all. Didn't fit to well in your rhetoric

  91. Re:I Have A One Inch Dick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nig nig nig nig

  92. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    Better realize that the only thing that modern feminism supports is their own supremacist ideology. Because feminists supporting castration? Yeah that exists. Then there's the ones that support killing large segments of the male population because "reasons." And then there's the ones that support infanticide of male babies, and the other ones that are in support of using abortion directly against male babies. Then there's the feminists who are openly in support of FGM because you can't speak out against that backwards culture that believes in it. All the while supporting the same people who beat their wives is fine, as long as they aren't western.

    Perhaps it's time to get out of your bubble.

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  93. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

    Not to back-up whomever you're responding to, but Germaine Greer has proposed mandatory sterilization for all men. Of course, that's not quite the same thing as castration. And, well, it's Germaine Greer, knowwhatimean? But I wonder if the GP heard that Greer proposed that filtered through a game of telephone.

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  94. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    Not to back-up whomever you're responding to, but Germaine Greer has proposed mandatory sterilization for all men. Of course, that's not quite the same thing as castration. And, well, it's Germaine Greer, knowwhatimean? But I wonder if the GP heard that Greer proposed that filtered through a game of telephone.

    There's quite a few feminists hold extremist view points. It's actually become bad enough that the less radical feminists call them out for it, and are attacked for their trouble. Whether said attack is via social media, peer pressure, doxing or threats. It much like the broader scope of social justice is so far down the marxist rabbit hole, that anything right of Lenin is considered extremism in their eyes.

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  95. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    No, I mean the left wing bias that infuriates people and causes them to say things like "I'm not racist, but..." or scream "stop calling me a Nazi all the time just because I like Hitler and ethnic cleansing".

    You know the whole "I'm not racist, but..." bit is mainly prevalent in left-wing politics don't you? Most people on the right rejected identity politics for a reason, and the left decided to eat, breath, and shit it out for breakfast. That is if they're not engaging in overt racism in and of itself, or trying to claim that "diversity quotas" and "preferential hiring" instead of hiring based on race instead of merit isn't actually racism or sexism.

    Yeah, I can't find anything that Bannon says outside of far-leftist or social justice circles that is considered "white supremacy."

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  96. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    Their ideas aren't "strange" about the political left. Those are the ideas that the left espouse on a regular basis. Pick your favorite search engine, and you'll find that those aren't minority opinions among the left. They're majority opinions, and it's also the reason why the left is losing their foothold in nearly every western country. You're living in a political bubble, go read a years back opinions on a site like samizdat and get back to everyone.

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  97. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    You, the fact that you keep quoting "alt-right" aka fascists hardly supports your point that you aren't a fascist.

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  98. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    Having looked a bit at history and other cultures, I'd say: no.

    1950s America is not the definition of Humanity. Deal with it.

    Haven't looked very hard then. I suggest looking at the existing matriarchies in the world. When you do, you'll figure out that western society did in deed grow out of the norms. Most other societies have not, which is why women aren't allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia. And in islamic countries, they're considered not only inferior, but worth less then children in the eyes of the law.

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  99. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

    You mean that "left-wing bias" which gives rise to things like 20 years of screaming "the nazis/white supremacists are coming."

    I'd hardly say they were wrong, as of today.
    Not that I think Trump is either of those things, really, but it really is undeniable that a lot of his political power comes from people with fascist and white supremacist leanings. To ignore that is to try to alter reality.

  100. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

    You posted an article by a person and ascribed it to a movement that obviously doesn't support that viewpoint.

    I mean, that alone indicates you're either woefully stupid, or highly manipulative.

    The part you don't realize, is in doing this, you put someone making the argument that all Trump supports are racist coneheads on equal moral and intellectual honesty footing as you... Which limits our choices for your description to either woefully stupid, or woefully stupid and shitty at manipulation.

    Come on, dude.

  101. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

    Ever think maybe the norms of society grew out of the ways that men are culturally raised to be violent and controlling?

    I'm not saying that argument is better than yours, but I think you may have fired off yours as if it somehow held more weight than conflicting viewpoints.

  102. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

    Can you point me to a successful civilization with significantly different gender norms to our own? And some jungle tribe doesn't count, I mean some place that invented the wheel at least.

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  103. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

    This behavior is completely illogical, self destructive, and fundamentally divisive and I cannot begin to fathom why someone would do this.

    Indoctrination and social conditioning. And the human brain didn't evolve to be logical. It evolved to survive. If your social and political survival are dependent on looking at Australian aborigines and the Japanese and repeating "I DO NOT SEE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE PEOPLE THEY ARE BIOLOGICALLY EQUIVALENT" then you'll do it, damn your lying eyes.

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  104. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

    Economically, perhaps, but culturally it's off the charts.

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  105. Re: Cook will have to apologize soon by david_thornley · · Score: 2

    Do you have actual statistics on that?

    I don't have statistics, but I've observed that a police officer can shoot an unarmed black child with no warning and no time taken to evaluate the situation and get away with nothing more than paid administrative leave. Last I heard, those police haven't had their cities burned down, their character committed suicide before it could be assassinated, and they're doing just fine.

    Your facts would appear to be alternative.

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  106. Re: Cook will have to apologize soon by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Not my observation. My observation is that there's a lot of racism and bigotry in the country that people don't want to admit to, and that some Republicans are working on the sort of state-corporation alliance that characterizes fascism. Trump, in particular, seems to want to be Fuehrer rather than President.

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  107. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    "The Femitheist", note the spelling, note the singular.

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  108. He's correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have to triangulate to the truth by being open-minded to all opinions and then practicing critical thinking. Obviously a problem these days - but the recipe/process is 100% clear and well-understood for many generations!

    People want an easy answer and the simple truth is there is none.

  109. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Interesting. A quick Google didn't turn up anything, do you have a reference? All Google gives you is her anti-trans views when you combine her name with "sterilization".

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  110. Re: Cook will have to apologize soon by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/201...

    Mr. Fryer found that in such situations, officers in Houston were about 20 percent less likely to shoot if the suspects were black.

    You appear to not have any facts, you just watch how the media turns any shooting of a black person into national news and ignores the shooting of whites. Cops are therefore more likely to shoot an unruly white person because nobody cares about another dead cracker.

    Your media sources would appear to be fake news.

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  111. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Most people on the right live by identity politics. They perceive the world from a point of privilege, and attempt to shoot down any way of reducing the privilege gap. People like them deserve consideration, and people not like them don't. The status quo is that they're more privileged, and they see no reason to stop that. It's not identity politics as much on racial grounds as on social grounds, so the racism is to some extent incidental.

    White privilege exists. I consider it decent treatment that should be normal for everyone, but it isn't. It includes being taken seriously, getting some automatic respect, being punished less for the same crimes, that sort of thing. It doesn't mean getting anything you want just because you're a white man.

    If you can't find anything on the right wing that is some form of white supremacy, you've drunk gallons of the Kool-aid. Some of it is old-fashioned "whites are better". Much of it is assuming that people have equal opportunity, and that lower performance by disadvantaged groups is their own fault. A lot of it is assuming that the world as they see it is normal and

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  112. Re:Nazism in America by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    C'mon, give us credit for having many more ways to insult you than that. However, "Nazi" is much more appropriate with our current President evidently believing in the Fuehrerprinzip, basically that he's the leader and it's everyone else's job to do what he says, and the resemblances of Trump's rise to Hitler's rise.

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  113. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

    It was in her Guardian column, which should date it quite a bit because, IIRC, she stopped writing there after that spat she had with Suzanne Moore. I just tried the Guardian's own website but I don't think they host archives of her column alas.

    Her argument went something along the lines of "Men and women want to have sex all the time, right now the onus is on the woman to avoid getting pregnant if either the man or woman doesn't want to become a parent yet. What we should do instead is have all men bank their sperm, get the snip, and then everyone can fuck as much as they want. When it's time to have a baby, they can get the sperm from the sperm bank."

    It makes sense in a horrifying kind of way...

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  114. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Oh, I see. Yes, rather extreme, almost wonder if she was serious. In any case, it's not really sterilization, certainly not castration.

    I'm not trying to be argumentive, it's just that the right does love to misrepresent what people say. I'm mostly concerned with the facts.

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  115. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

    Well, sterilization was the word she used IIRC. She may well have been just being provocative, I mean, like I said, it's Germaine Greer, she tends to do that.

    I understand what you're trying to do, and yeah, the right really has a truth problem at the moment. And I don't think they care.

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  116. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by dddux · · Score: 1

    Gosh man. Read your own posts and try to understand what you're saying.

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  117. Re:Cook will have to apologize soon by syntotic · · Score: 1

    Naw, it is easier than that, once all technological actors and technology prone families have been identified, the remaining anthropoids can evolutively select against it, eliminate all such genes, and sink again in their comfortable Antiquity where only Church and Priest mattered and King was just warlord you knew exactly what to expect from according to your role in society: Information? Disinformation? What are you talking about? You are crazy! Guards! We have another incoherent maniac Barbarian heretic here!

  118. Re: Cook will have to apologize soon by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Fascinating, Thanks for the cite, and for answering my request for statistics.

    What that means is that, in an arrest, police in the studied cities were less likely to shoot blacks they stopped, and more likely to use less lethal violence. The paper also points out that police are more likely to stop blacks than whites.

    So, which of my media sources would be fake news? There are two fairly recent highly publicized cases of a police officer coming up to a black child and killing said child and not being prosecuted. You should be able to find sources yourself if you doubt mine. They make much better cases for BLM than people like Michael Brown. Aside from that, I didn't say anything that needs a source.

    Chill, guy.

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