I'm sorry, but I fail to find any direct mention of religion in the Time article. I will agree on the spot with you that violence is a growing problem in French suburbs, and rapes are one of its most worriying and repulsive manifestations. However, having lived in the Parisian banlieu and met many Muslims, I still affirm that your bigot amalgamtion of religion, uncivility and violence is wrong.
Those were the 2 main countries involved anyway.
The final result has been a German project about the semantic web, and a French project about improving searching of 'rich content':image, video, etc. It has 3 or 4 'technological partners' that launch research initiatives cofounded by said partners and the French government. If I'm not mistaken, the only one of those enterprises who does search as their main business is exalead (http//www.exalead.fr). A let-down, if you ask me...
How you've hold out so long without getting a nice '-1, troll' modding escapes my understanding:
Rapes aren't significantly higher amongst the muslim demographic, unless you take into account any other factors (like socio-economic class, unemployement rate, previous criminal history... and yes, Muslims are over-represented there for the same reason that Eastern-Europe nationals are: they constitute one of the main groups of immigrants in Europe).
I will attribute your misjudgement of muslim culture and religion to ignorance rather than malice. But know that accusing them of justifying rape is wrong in so many ways that I won't waste my time detailing them to you
I wholeheartedly agree, but I consider that (maybe beacause they have suffered the worst consequences of nationalism in their own blood) in some of these countries (Spain and Germany come to mind, but one may also consider Portugal, and most nordic countries) expressions of 'patriotism' and display of national symbols are less common (in the u.s. and france, everything seems to be 3-colored:P)
I've lived for 2 1/2 years in France, and now I'm living in the U.S. for sometime (I'm of Spanish origin, btw).
The problem with the French system of assimilation is not the requirement of learning the language and the culture, which is already imposed by the market if you _ever_ want to work as anything but a streetcleaner, 'la France' being one of the countries where having a general culture and being able of expressing yourself correctly is most appreciated.
This said, French people are very often extremly dismissive of foreigners' perspective on culture and society: as an example, it is not at all uncommon for the schoolchildren of the colonial territories (DOM-TOM) to have to learn 'our ancestors the Gauls'
French and (U.S.) American people are both extremely patriotic (compared to, for example, Spain or Germany), and therein lies very often the root for immigration conflict: there is a tendency to dissaprove any societal change unless it originates within the confines of the socalled 'old French' / 'old Americans'. Respect for the basic values should already be implicit in the law, but inmigrants will transform society as the bring to the table their own cultures. This, I believe, is far better understood in the U.S. than in France (I'm frequently astonished to see how fast Spanish is becoming a 'de facto' second language, even as far to the North as Massachusetts).
I guess he is as much of a 'media whore' as Steve Jobs, i.e. his every mumble is recorded and discussed upon.
I bet he would have preferred himself a lil' bit of tranquiity instead of the media coverage they got last week...
If you think the "French riots" where about religion, you're really far off.
First of all, I even would hesitate to call them riots: there were few to no confrontations between the 'vandals' and the police; most of the time, it was but a (rapidly scalating) wave of urban violence.
And furthermore, it was far more about discrimination, marginalization and, generally speaking, social fracture than it was about religion: I live and study not very far away from one of the most problematic suburbs, and I was unable to find any religious motto or figure among the violent.
--M
PS: Catastrophic news sell more newspapers. That doesn't make them exactly accurate (most of all when it's about France and from a U.S. american point of view:) )
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I'm sorry, but I fail to find any direct mention of religion in the Time article. I will agree on the spot with you that violence is a growing problem in French suburbs, and rapes are one of its most worriying and repulsive manifestations. However, having lived in the Parisian banlieu and met many Muslims, I still affirm that your bigot amalgamtion of religion, uncivility and violence is wrong.
Those were the 2 main countries involved anyway.
The final result has been a German project about the semantic web, and a French project about improving searching of 'rich content':image, video, etc. It has 3 or 4 'technological partners' that launch research initiatives cofounded by said partners and the French government. If I'm not mistaken, the only one of those enterprises who does search as their main business is exalead (http//www.exalead.fr). A let-down, if you ask me...
How you've hold out so long without getting a nice '-1, troll' modding escapes my understanding:
Rapes aren't significantly higher amongst the muslim demographic, unless you take into account any other factors (like socio-economic class, unemployement rate, previous criminal history... and yes, Muslims are over-represented there for the same reason that Eastern-Europe nationals are: they constitute one of the main groups of immigrants in Europe).
I will attribute your misjudgement of muslim culture and religion to ignorance rather than malice. But know that accusing them of justifying rape is wrong in so many ways that I won't waste my time detailing them to you
I wholeheartedly agree, but I consider that (maybe beacause they have suffered the worst consequences of nationalism in their own blood) in some of these countries (Spain and Germany come to mind, but one may also consider Portugal, and most nordic countries) expressions of 'patriotism' and display of national symbols are less common (in the u.s. and france, everything seems to be 3-colored :P)
I've lived for 2 1/2 years in France, and now I'm living in the U.S. for sometime (I'm of Spanish origin, btw).
The problem with the French system of assimilation is not the requirement of learning the language and the culture, which is already imposed by the market if you _ever_ want to work as anything but a streetcleaner, 'la France' being one of the countries where having a general culture and being able of expressing yourself correctly is most appreciated.
This said, French people are very often extremly dismissive of foreigners' perspective on culture and society: as an example, it is not at all uncommon for the schoolchildren of the colonial territories (DOM-TOM) to have to learn 'our ancestors the Gauls'
French and (U.S.) American people are both extremely patriotic (compared to, for example, Spain or Germany), and therein lies very often the root for immigration conflict: there is a tendency to dissaprove any societal change unless it originates within the confines of the socalled 'old French' / 'old Americans'. Respect for the basic values should already be implicit in the law, but inmigrants will transform society as the bring to the table their own cultures. This, I believe, is far better understood in the U.S. than in France (I'm frequently astonished to see how fast Spanish is becoming a 'de facto' second language, even as far to the North as Massachusetts).
I guess he is as much of a 'media whore' as Steve Jobs, i.e. his every mumble is recorded and discussed upon.
I bet he would have preferred himself a lil' bit of tranquiity instead of the media coverage they got last week...
If you think the "French riots" where about religion, you're really far off. First of all, I even would hesitate to call them riots: there were few to no confrontations between the 'vandals' and the police; most of the time, it was but a (rapidly scalating) wave of urban violence. And furthermore, it was far more about discrimination, marginalization and, generally speaking, social fracture than it was about religion: I live and study not very far away from one of the most problematic suburbs, and I was unable to find any religious motto or figure among the violent. :) )
--M
PS: Catastrophic news sell more newspapers. That doesn't make them exactly accurate (most of all when it's about France and from a U.S. american point of view