I can't argue with that, I remember similar issues with Netscape and IExplorer in the past not rendering the same way. So for developers, IE and FF still don't adhere to the Web Standards Project. From what I've seen online, no one other than Safari 2.0.3 passes though..
I'll go ahead and lay myself on the sacrificial altar of popular opinions, but out of the two I liked IE7. The tabbed browsing and UI for IE7 just strikes me as more intuitive, I had to actually double-ckeck the version number for FF2 to see if the upgrade completed. I'm certain the M$ haters will have their say, but I like IE7 the best for what I use the browsers for..
Here is a good example of what Evolution means.
"In the broadest sense, evolution is merely change, and so is all-pervasive; galaxies, languages, and political systems all evolve. Biological evolution... is change in the properties of populations of organisms that transcend the lifetime of a single individual. The ontogeny of an individual is not considered evolution; individual organisms do not evolve. The changes in populations that are considered evolutionary are those that are inheritable via the genetic material from one generation to the next. Biological evolution may be slight or substantial; it embraces everything from slight changes in the proportion of different alleles within a population (such as those determining blood types) to the successive alterations that led from the earliest protoorganism to snails, bees, giraffes, and dandelions."
- Douglas J. Futuyma in Evolutionary Biology, Sinauer Associates 1986
Essentally, Evolution in it's most distilled meaning, is explaining that the life forms which inhabit this planet, have slowly evolved to become this way. Evolution can mean the minor changes between various breeds of a single species (example: Boston Terrier and a Greyhound), or the development of single-celled organisms into animals, plants, humans..
To put it simply, creationism doesn't believe that. Mankind (or any other species) did not evolve from bacteria, but were fully formed at the time of creation. Minor changes in appearance have manifested themselves through breeding and environment, but a creationist utterly denies any assertion that all life stems from one lifeform, which "accidentally" appeared millions of years ago.
That seems to be the gist. I think that many of the posts on this discussion point out how easily rational thought and logic give way to emotional rhetoric. In the end, a believer has nothing to lose. If the Evolutionist is right, you die and that's it. If the Evolutionist is wrong however, he/she has ALOT to lose.
In the end, I believe that we are all responsible for our choices.
I understand your point. The rub is due to the fact that the historical timelines associated with creationism and evolution, are based on religious points of view. Creationism says that "God made all things", while Evolution says that "God doesn't exist, the universe spawned itself." So if you teach Evolution, an atheistic bias is promoted. If you teach Creationism, a theistic bias is given.
Personally, I have no problem with Evolution being taught in the classroom. It is when it's presented as fact that I cringe. The same would be present if Creationism was taught. If both sides of the debate were taught fairly and honestly, then the student would be empowered make up their own minds.
Of all knowledge in the universe, I feel it would be presumptuous for mankind to claim we know more than 5% of it. That leaves 95% of existence open to debate.
Rich
Perhaps I am simply naive to the mindset of atheism, but why would one become upset to find that their views on existence are not necessarily the majority? I believe in Intelligent Design, I find it very hard to understand how some do not. On the other hand I don't expect everyone to hold my beliefs, one must come to their own conclusions themselves.
Anyways, from a creationist perspective, I think it takes more "faith" to believe in a cosmic accident than that all of existence and it's complexity just fell together.
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I can't argue with that, I remember similar issues with Netscape and IExplorer in the past not rendering the same way. So for developers, IE and FF still don't adhere to the Web Standards Project. From what I've seen online, no one other than Safari 2.0.3 passes though..
I usually find that those zealots embrace the freedom of choice, only as long as that choice coincides with theirs :)
I'll go ahead and lay myself on the sacrificial altar of popular opinions, but out of the two I liked IE7. The tabbed browsing and UI for IE7 just strikes me as more intuitive, I had to actually double-ckeck the version number for FF2 to see if the upgrade completed. I'm certain the M$ haters will have their say, but I like IE7 the best for what I use the browsers for..
Here is a good example of what Evolution means. "In the broadest sense, evolution is merely change, and so is all-pervasive; galaxies, languages, and political systems all evolve. Biological evolution ... is change in the properties of populations of organisms that transcend the lifetime of a single individual. The ontogeny of an individual is not considered evolution; individual organisms do not evolve. The changes in populations that are considered evolutionary are those that are inheritable via the genetic material from one generation to the next. Biological evolution may be slight or substantial; it embraces everything from slight changes in the proportion of different alleles within a population (such as those determining blood types) to the successive alterations that led from the earliest protoorganism to snails, bees, giraffes, and dandelions."
- Douglas J. Futuyma in Evolutionary Biology, Sinauer Associates 1986
Essentally, Evolution in it's most distilled meaning, is explaining that the life forms which inhabit this planet, have slowly evolved to become this way. Evolution can mean the minor changes between various breeds of a single species (example: Boston Terrier and a Greyhound), or the development of single-celled organisms into animals, plants, humans..
To put it simply, creationism doesn't believe that. Mankind (or any other species) did not evolve from bacteria, but were fully formed at the time of creation. Minor changes in appearance have manifested themselves through breeding and environment, but a creationist utterly denies any assertion that all life stems from one lifeform, which "accidentally" appeared millions of years ago.
That seems to be the gist. I think that many of the posts on this discussion point out how easily rational thought and logic give way to emotional rhetoric. In the end, a believer has nothing to lose. If the Evolutionist is right, you die and that's it. If the Evolutionist is wrong however, he/she has ALOT to lose. In the end, I believe that we are all responsible for our choices.
I understand your point. The rub is due to the fact that the historical timelines associated with creationism and evolution, are based on religious points of view. Creationism says that "God made all things", while Evolution says that "God doesn't exist, the universe spawned itself." So if you teach Evolution, an atheistic bias is promoted. If you teach Creationism, a theistic bias is given. Personally, I have no problem with Evolution being taught in the classroom. It is when it's presented as fact that I cringe. The same would be present if Creationism was taught. If both sides of the debate were taught fairly and honestly, then the student would be empowered make up their own minds. Of all knowledge in the universe, I feel it would be presumptuous for mankind to claim we know more than 5% of it. That leaves 95% of existence open to debate. Rich
Perhaps I am simply naive to the mindset of atheism, but why would one become upset to find that their views on existence are not necessarily the majority? I believe in Intelligent Design, I find it very hard to understand how some do not. On the other hand I don't expect everyone to hold my beliefs, one must come to their own conclusions themselves. Anyways, from a creationist perspective, I think it takes more "faith" to believe in a cosmic accident than that all of existence and it's complexity just fell together.