Summary: First God, then reality, then the created, then evolution. Ideas used: Theory of Relativity: Time/Space are variables. There is no reason for God to be affected by either or them. Second Law of Thermodynamics: Randomness increases in a closed space without outside intervention. Take the universe as your closed space, there is no way that something as ordered as a living being will occur.
I think the main problem with the arguments here is that people assume that only physical objects are created. For those of you who know programming, just like an object has variables and methods/functions that act on those variables, life has "variables" such as matter and energy and "methods/functions" such as gravity, time and space that act on the "variables". Yes, we are created, but so are the rules that act upon us such as time, space, gravity, etc. Once it is understood that everthing is created, it is easier to understand that God can create a reality without (which consists of matter/energy, time/space) without being affected by it. It then also makes sense that a God is never born into a reality and still considered God. If God did come into existence into a reality then the original creator of that reality would be the real God. Therefore, God must have existed outside of any reality and we have come into existence in the reality created by God.
Now for Evolution, it's a valid theory but it only works on living things. Nothing doesn't evolve into something. The dead do not evolve, and it is implausible that the living would arise from the dead while the Second Law of Thermodynamics was still in effect. For the people that think that life will randomly occur given trillions of years, I would like them to explicitly do what it takes to form life through a pool of basic elements. Zap it with electricity if you think that's what it takes. Or even better, run electricity through something that has died and see if you can bring it back to life.
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Summary:
First God, then reality, then the created, then evolution.
Ideas used:
Theory of Relativity: Time/Space are variables. There is no reason for God to be affected by either or them.
Second Law of Thermodynamics: Randomness increases in a closed space without outside intervention. Take the universe as your closed space, there is no way that something as ordered as a living being will occur.
I think the main problem with the arguments here is that people assume that only physical objects are created. For those of you who know programming, just like an object has variables and methods/functions that act on those variables, life has "variables" such as matter and energy and "methods/functions" such as gravity, time and space that act on the "variables". Yes, we are created, but so are the rules that act upon us such as time, space, gravity, etc. Once it is understood that everthing is created, it is easier to understand that God can create a reality without (which consists of matter/energy, time/space) without being affected by it. It then also makes sense that a God is never born into a reality and still considered God. If God did come into existence into a reality then the original creator of that reality would be the real God. Therefore, God must have existed outside of any reality and we have come into existence in the reality created by God.
Now for Evolution, it's a valid theory but it only works on living things. Nothing doesn't evolve into something. The dead do not evolve, and it is implausible that the living would arise from the dead while the Second Law of Thermodynamics was still in effect. For the people that think that life will randomly occur given trillions of years, I would like them to explicitly do what it takes to form life through a pool of basic elements. Zap it with electricity if you think that's what it takes. Or even better, run electricity through something that has died and see if you can bring it back to life.