I'll bite. Yes, I did vote for Bush - in the same election where the Washington state governors race was first lost by the Dem candidate. There were three selective recounts (I believe but maybe two - but at least two). The first count still had the GOP candidate winning, in the last recount the Dem candidate won because the largest Dem county in the state "found" votes. (Oh - did I put that in quotes!?!?!) Subsequent recounts were blocked by the courts (it is widely believed that the elected WA Supreme Court blocked it in partisan bid to keep control of the governorship).
The truth? I think King County did find legitimate votes, but it rankles me to say that. I think the election fiasco was innocent - poor planning, but no wrong doing whether blatant or accidental. I do not think the Dems stole the election in WA - even though the candidate I supported was ousted. The evidence to support election tampering is more overwhelming than that found in Ohio.
Do I think the US presidential election was fair - no, but I think it was reasonably good. Did I think the elections around Clinton were fair - yep, about as fair as the two we saw for Bush.
The way in which Dem alarmism is being acted upon could be devastating to our election processes. While I have no problems with gripes with the system, the wanton spreading of unsubstantiated statements and pure conjecture will do more to disenfranchise the marginal of our society than the supposed tampering in select locations by the GOP. The alarmism of the Dems is more likely to take away what little hope people have in our electoral process and turn people, who otherwise could have/would have voted away from the booths without the GOP lifting a finger.
If I want to vote, no GOP thug, libertarian Neanderthal, nor Green one brain celled monopod is going to keep from the booth. If we educate people as to how much their vote matters - they will vote and they withstand the attempts by oppressors to keep them away from the voting machines. Maybe this is simplistic and naive, but damn it, I wish more people persevered through oppression instead of letting the oppressor control their lives, their fate and in their case their gripes.
While creating evidence of irregularities is good thing - we need to do what we can to improve the process, demonizing a segment of the population is not at all helpful toward creating a just and fair system (unless you are attempting to create communist state, in which case, go for it, but don't worry about the "just and fair" system then).
FYI: I like how none of the Dems or GOPers are talking about how the Dems "stole" the election of Kennedy from Nixon by tampering with the elections system in Illinois...If you think this is the first time we have had this controversy, go check your history. The losing candidate in this case (just like Gore in 2000) was the President of the Senate (Richard Nixon as VP) and was the certifying authority of the election. There is no new history, just repeats...with maybe better evidence techniques and insight...http://ap.beta.polardesign.com/history/j ohnfkennedy/biography/campaignsandelections.common .shtml
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I'll bite. Yes, I did vote for Bush - in the same election where the Washington state governors race was first lost by the Dem candidate. There were three selective recounts (I believe but maybe two - but at least two). The first count still had the GOP candidate winning, in the last recount the Dem candidate won because the largest Dem county in the state "found" votes. (Oh - did I put that in quotes!?!?!) Subsequent recounts were blocked by the courts (it is widely believed that the elected WA Supreme Court blocked it in partisan bid to keep control of the governorship).
j ohnfkennedy/biography/campaignsandelections.common .shtml
The truth? I think King County did find legitimate votes, but it rankles me to say that. I think the election fiasco was innocent - poor planning, but no wrong doing whether blatant or accidental. I do not think the Dems stole the election in WA - even though the candidate I supported was ousted. The evidence to support election tampering is more overwhelming than that found in Ohio.
Do I think the US presidential election was fair - no, but I think it was reasonably good. Did I think the elections around Clinton were fair - yep, about as fair as the two we saw for Bush.
The way in which Dem alarmism is being acted upon could be devastating to our election processes. While I have no problems with gripes with the system, the wanton spreading of unsubstantiated statements and pure conjecture will do more to disenfranchise the marginal of our society than the supposed tampering in select locations by the GOP. The alarmism of the Dems is more likely to take away what little hope people have in our electoral process and turn people, who otherwise could have/would have voted away from the booths without the GOP lifting a finger.
If I want to vote, no GOP thug, libertarian Neanderthal, nor Green one brain celled monopod is going to keep from the booth. If we educate people as to how much their vote matters - they will vote and they withstand the attempts by oppressors to keep them away from the voting machines. Maybe this is simplistic and naive, but damn it, I wish more people persevered through oppression instead of letting the oppressor control their lives, their fate and in their case their gripes.
While creating evidence of irregularities is good thing - we need to do what we can to improve the process, demonizing a segment of the population is not at all helpful toward creating a just and fair system (unless you are attempting to create communist state, in which case, go for it, but don't worry about the "just and fair" system then).
FYI:
I like how none of the Dems or GOPers are talking about how the Dems "stole" the election of Kennedy from Nixon by tampering with the elections system in Illinois...If you think this is the first time we have had this controversy, go check your history. The losing candidate in this case (just like Gore in 2000) was the President of the Senate (Richard Nixon as VP) and was the certifying authority of the election. There is no new history, just repeats...with maybe better evidence techniques and insight...http://ap.beta.polardesign.com/history/
Egads! This is just in time to save my marriage!