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Excellent point. If Oracle can't get its Java PR under control and looses the larger Java community, who begin to bale out of Java, then one will likely see lots of JNI like hooks or plugins to accomplish the intrinsics associated with performance issues as becoming an increasing alternative to the JVM, even if these are not strictly compatible within a single build model (ie different executables for different platforms).
Oracle does not own the patent to the concept of a VM based language, only the patent to the JVM. A problem for Oracle is that Sun open-sourced much of the Java language prior to the sale, just not the JVM.
That concept of a VM based language originated with UCSD Pascal, long before Java ever appeared as a language. If Google can convince the courts that their implementation is not a JVM per se, only a VM, its on to the races and there will be for the first time, true competition that can't be easily monopolized.
Thats going to be tough considering that more most corporations and large non-profits, changing software platforms is not as easy as just changing particular software applications. Johnathan Schwartz, the last pre-sale Sun CEO, pretty much opened up Java the language to open source prior to leaving and prior to the sale to Oracle. No way legally Oracle can get that worm put back in the box.
You might be right on the JVM side, but its not as if the open source community can not build an alternative JVM, especially if Google wins the lawsuit, which in my opinion is doubtful because the courts don't understand tech only the need to maintain a pro-corporate status quo. However, whether an open source JVM will benchmark favorably enough to the proprietary one offered by Oracle to be viable in the future remains to be seen.
These issues will sort themselves out in the next couple of years as we see what posture Oracle settles on. So far, their PR has just been terribly damaging to the overall "Java" brand. Greed does have a way of undermining the cleverest of strategies.
You obviously aren't familiar with what transpired.
Sun stock went into the toilet with the.dot com crash and McNeely spent more time talking a good game than in developing a viable business strategy by failing to diversifying away from SPARC or making SPARC good enough to make it worth the premium price. Their Java efforts turned out to be misguided as a means of accomplishing the latter, since it only emphasized that from a customer perspective there was little premium to be had by buying SPARC. Schwartz came on board too late to steer a different course, particularly as th tech economy was like the rest of the market in a tailspin. Board members like McNeely, who were near retirement age anyway, decided to sell out knowing it was the only way they would get that golden parachute they had been dreaming of. Towards the end as is usually the case, you saw more and more of Sun's profits directed toward big exec bonuses as they prepared to sell out, insuring the ultimate death of the company as a viable independent business.
Microsoft investors should be getting nervous about Ballmer's recent announcement of sale of 1.2 Billion in stock. This is how the stock market works these days. Its an inside game played by insiders, while boilerplate fantasy is sold to the public and the poorly informed.
Would be curious as to what you would see as a better alternative? C++?.Net? C#?
The first could be a killer, but so far puts the onus of memory management on the individual developer and hence leading to highly inconsistent even if extraordinarily capable apps across systems..Net and C# are highly single platform centric. If you are tied into the right platform, you may be in good shape, but not if you seek cross platform compatibility, especially important for ubiquitous web development.
Its hard enough for a single developer to learn even one of these large systems well, much less try to get them all singing in tune across all platforms. Ultimately, all platforms lie or die by the number of developers they are adding to their universe.
There is an obvious trade off. One could not expect ubiquity if your "product" is not either free or very low cost. Yet that implies less revenue.
Oracle's strategy could work very well, where Sun's has failed, by providing two parallel tracks. One a premium track and two an open track. The premium track would essentially put paying customers perhaps a year or two ahead of the community open track users, who might see these features in the free "community" track a few years later, after something better is in place in the premium track. From a business perspective users would be happy to pay if it gives them a business advantage. From a community perspective users would be happy as they could rely on essentially free code that they could incorporate and tweak to their own ends, acknowledging that free doesn't always mean access to the most "valuable" code in the market place of ideas and corporate balance sheets.
For Oracle to succeed it need only better refine Sun's model. They really don't have to kill Java as a free language, for on the language side they are in a position to differentiate between a free and a premium track on the JVM. The difficulty will be that they will need to bear more of the burden for developing the JVM on the universe of platforms they wish to see a "write once run anywhere" Java t actually work on.
As a former Sun investor, who lost BIG TIME for Sun's failure to grasp a viable strategy of how to monetize Java (not that I was expecting to make a killing in the first place), I wish Oracle well in the goal of making Java succeed. The Java concept is still a worthy goal, but it will only work if the "write once, run anywhere" philosophy doesn't disappear at its core. If that happens, Java will become highly fragmented and its fate and influence in the market (open source + private source) going forward will slowly diminish. If they handle it badly, Java's lock on corporate computing might be pretty short lived and perhaps many of Oracle's products that are now intertwined with it as well.
As always, customers will buy into a software-platform, if they believe it is in their interest to do so. This will vary as not all customer interests are aligned. Oracle has the option of choosing just how much of a differential it will make between "premium" and "community". They may make more money over the short term if they set the difference to great but loose in the long run, if they drive the community elsewhere. It will be interesting to see what happens or just where within the many elements of the Java universe, the differences are placed.
Its not as if others haven't made mistakes with Java. Sun erred in failing to establish a clear two tiered strategy and then late in the game demanding too much of some of its bigger customers who became too dependent on Java, such as Google, who went off to develop their own "JVM" like construct (whether its different enough from the original Java is for the courts to decide). In the long run, if Oracle can keep the difference small, it will capture a larger share of the entire market. If not, expect numerous forks to appear in the future as they are beginning to do so now as Oracle tries to figure out if it is extending an open hand to the Java community or just a fist.
There are a few chapters in Shilov's linear algebra dealing with pencils, a number of problems in combinatorics concerning Sterling's numbers of the first and second kind, as well as a number of proofs of the fundamental theory of Algebra that I don't sufficiently understand.
Are there any math departments making referrals to electoencephalographers?
I'm serious. Does anyone know? It certainly would be worth a try, as long is its not too painful. I assume its probably no more painful than having to admit that, despite my best efforts, the beauty of these problems eludes me?
By the time the average Joe can get around to voting himself a paycheck, some inside corporate insider has already run off with the whole stinking bank, treasury, and all.
If you think that the very first election onward in the US didn't have politicians "what can you do for me?" and "look what I am going to do for you", you have a very poor knowledge of history.
Politics is the art of ripping the other guy off with a straight face and getting him to agree with you that its a good idea for you to do so. It predates America by many thousands of years.
Party pollitics are the necessary reality of a society that must make choices by the collective action of its citizens. Its only natural that people are going to organize and associate with those who support their views. It would be political suicide not to. While I think third, fourth, and fifth... parties would be an excellent cure for the dysfunction that corporate lobbyists have achieved for our system of government by getting citizens to turn against one another for their advantage, three or more parties are never going to happen unless they happen on the local level and progressively become more and more part of a fabric in all elections.
If we had far more parties, then people could vote their convictions rather than the lesser of evils, where the corporate fat cats call the shots given their out-sized advantage in spending. With multiple parties more real horse-trading could then go on in Congress and better ideas would float to the top (regardless of whether, we as individuals regarded them as "better" ideas).
As far many Americans are concerned Social Security is their hard earned money not an entitlement for some repuke who wants to make himself look good by balancing their budget mistakes and by providing thier rich friends on Wall Street with more money to play in the market or yet another tax cut at their expense.
Repukes have a weird double game going on where taxes are their money but when Americans pay into the SSA somehow they are not entitled to get anything back. SSA is not a piggy bank for Wall Street. If you want to divest, divest of that idea. Its brain dead.
Meg Whitman spent $150 million, the most anyone has ever spent to get their ass kicked.
The only real recourse for average citizens is to ferret out just who provided the cash and boycott these corporations into devastating quarterly profit reports.
Yes, pollsters like Rasmussen no longer have any credibility at all other than to serve as cheer-leaders for big business interests. Next time don't forget to take off 4-5% points from the republican side any Rasmussen poll. Then you won't be so inaccurate in your prognostications.
his replacement knows how to serve tea. At least passing the tea-bags will become one of the new republican mandated internet protocols. At least its a step up from "tubes". They are slow learners.
Watch for a waving of hands. Its an old trick taught by the Aqua Buddah himself.
The best part will be to see how republicans respond to the charge that they plan on leaving US troops in the field defenseless, with no money for ammunition or supplies.
Yes, but republicans have played this game so well for so long, that with a relatively few exceptions the gerrymandering route is just about as well carved out for them as it can be, so its not going to be the great boost that it might have been. Also California and New York the two largest delegations went blue which will cut into republican benefit substantially and there is no need to do a Tom Delay to make this happen.
Certainly, the repukes did themselves a favor by talking state houses and permitting their gerrymandered districts to continue to exist. However, there are a few things to keep in mind about this election:
1) far fewer almost half of democrats didn't even show up to the polls in 2010 2) the two largest states California and New York went democratic, which is not good news for republicans, especially in California, where their 10 year old Dukmajian-Pete Wilson gerrymandering has kept them competitive 3) In Texas which did stay in repuke hands is already so thoroughly gerrymandered that there is no additional repuke advantage. 4) the race for 2012 started today and already the repukes are getting nervous about the wrath of the consitutencies they are going to have to sacrifice to keep their promise (not than even 60% of polled voters think they actually will) 5) in 2012 a lot more republicans will have died from old age than democrats 6) there will be a lot more Latino voters in 2012 than in 2010 so the friction between the more practical repukes and their racist faction will get a lot uglier. 7) repukes no longer have any excuses as to why they are not fixing things 8) each perk they pass out to their corporate friends at the expense of the general populace will be big news 9) the repuke assault on internet-neutrality, investing in education for high-tech jobs, and science will not make./ers happy.
until corporations and the uber-wealthy figured out which politicians would be their constituents.
Now we have a guy who actually passed out bribes in the form of tobacco corporate cash on the floor of the house in plain view of C-span during a vote as the next speaker of the house.
Now they must govern and fix things or their asses will be next.
It is pathetic to hear so many excuses for republicans. Now they don't have any worth a warm bucket of spit.
Its not a good sign to watch so many crowing on TV that they are about to start slashing spending, yet be unable to say one single program they want to cut. Its not as if the majority of government waste, fraud, and abuse isn't being handed out to republican's fat cat corporate friends.
Even the hypocrite Rand Paul was silent today as Bernacke imposed an inflation "tax" on US citizens without a vote. Looks like he is already learning how to lick the boots he was complaining about just yesterday.
You are an idiot. Premiums went up because insurance companies could find an excuse to make them go up. It locks in additional profit to insure executive bonuses in their contracts.
Your job is not to question why, your job is to pay and die.
"Maybe we all need to consider that American politicians just are not able to fix this problem."
I don't think we will have to. Asian (particularly Chinese) and European politicians and corporations are going to fix it for us. As the gridlock and the debt continues to force the fed to keep printing money, watch for the dollar to continue dropping like a stone and for foreigners to begin to buy up US corporations. With Citizens United, they can now buy the political influence they need to do this far more effectively.
Republicans will get their wish, the US will shrink dramatically as a nation and its government will be much smaller. To their surprise they will discover, however, that they won't be the new owners, it will be foreigners, who have been pouring money into the US Chamber of Commerce precisely for this reason.
I hope you have a more realistic plan than that my friend.
There is a good chance that the bank that owns your mortgage is technically about as solvent as you are. The only real difference is that the government is there to backstop them. You probably don't kick in enough in political contributions to really matter to them.
Consequently, they will not be doing any hiring or lending, just collecting. Heck they are busy collecting on properties that they don't even own, so why do you think that they give as you say "a flying rats ass" about your family?
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Excellent point. If Oracle can't get its Java PR under control and looses the larger Java community, who begin to bale out of Java, then one will likely see lots of JNI like hooks or plugins to accomplish the intrinsics associated with performance issues as becoming an increasing alternative to the JVM, even if these are not strictly compatible within a single build model (ie different executables for different platforms).
Only if you choose to call it "Java".
Oracle does not own the patent to the concept of a VM based language, only the patent to the JVM. A problem for Oracle is that Sun open-sourced much of the Java language prior to the sale, just not the JVM.
That concept of a VM based language originated with UCSD Pascal, long before Java ever appeared as a language. If Google can convince the courts that their implementation is not a JVM per se, only a VM, its on to the races and there will be for the first time, true competition that can't be easily monopolized.
Thats going to be tough considering that more most corporations and large non-profits, changing software platforms is not as easy as just changing particular software applications. Johnathan Schwartz, the last pre-sale Sun CEO, pretty much opened up Java the language to open source prior to leaving and prior to the sale to Oracle. No way legally Oracle can get that worm put back in the box.
You might be right on the JVM side, but its not as if the open source community can not build an alternative JVM, especially if Google wins the lawsuit, which in my opinion is doubtful because the courts don't understand tech only the need to maintain a pro-corporate status quo. However, whether an open source JVM will benchmark favorably enough to the proprietary one offered by Oracle to be viable in the future remains to be seen.
These issues will sort themselves out in the next couple of years as we see what posture Oracle settles on. So far, their PR has just been terribly damaging to the overall "Java" brand. Greed does have a way of undermining the cleverest of strategies.
You obviously aren't familiar with what transpired.
Sun stock went into the toilet with the .dot com crash and McNeely spent more time talking a good game than in developing a viable business strategy by failing to diversifying away from SPARC or making SPARC good enough to make it worth the premium price. Their Java efforts turned out to be misguided as a means of accomplishing the latter, since it only emphasized that from a customer perspective there was little premium to be had by buying SPARC. Schwartz came on board too late to steer a different course, particularly as th tech economy was like the rest of the market in a tailspin. Board members like McNeely, who were near retirement age anyway, decided to sell out knowing it was the only way they would get that golden parachute they had been dreaming of. Towards the end as is usually the case, you saw more and more of Sun's profits directed toward big exec bonuses as they prepared to sell out, insuring the ultimate death of the company as a viable independent business.
Microsoft investors should be getting nervous about Ballmer's recent announcement of sale of 1.2 Billion in stock. This is how the stock market works these days. Its an inside game played by insiders, while boilerplate fantasy is sold to the public and the poorly informed.
Would be curious as to what you would see as a better alternative? C++? .Net? C#?
The first could be a killer, but so far puts the onus of memory management on the individual developer and hence leading to highly inconsistent even if extraordinarily capable apps across systems. .Net and C# are highly single platform centric. If you are tied into the right platform, you may be in good shape, but not if you seek cross platform compatibility, especially important for ubiquitous web development.
Its hard enough for a single developer to learn even one of these large systems well, much less try to get them all singing in tune across all platforms. Ultimately, all platforms lie or die by the number of developers they are adding to their universe.
There is an obvious trade off. One could not expect ubiquity if your "product" is not either free or very low cost. Yet that implies less revenue.
Oracle's strategy could work very well, where Sun's has failed, by providing two parallel tracks. One a premium track and two an open track. The premium track would essentially put paying customers perhaps a year or two ahead of the community open track users, who might see these features in the free "community" track a few years later, after something better is in place in the premium track. From a business perspective users would be happy to pay if it gives them a business advantage. From a community perspective users would be happy as they could rely on essentially free code that they could incorporate and tweak to their own ends, acknowledging that free doesn't always mean access to the most "valuable" code in the market place of ideas and corporate balance sheets.
For Oracle to succeed it need only better refine Sun's model. They really don't have to kill Java as a free language, for on the language side they are in a position to differentiate between a free and a premium track on the JVM. The difficulty will be that they will need to bear more of the burden for developing the JVM on the universe of platforms they wish to see a "write once run anywhere" Java t actually work on.
As a former Sun investor, who lost BIG TIME for Sun's failure to grasp a viable strategy of how to monetize Java (not that I was expecting to make a killing in the first place), I wish Oracle well in the goal of making Java succeed. The Java concept is still a worthy goal, but it will only work if the "write once, run anywhere" philosophy doesn't disappear at its core. If that happens, Java will become highly fragmented and its fate and influence in the market (open source + private source) going forward will slowly diminish. If they handle it badly, Java's lock on corporate computing might be pretty short lived and perhaps many of Oracle's products that are now intertwined with it as well.
As always, customers will buy into a software-platform, if they believe it is in their interest to do so. This will vary as not all customer interests are aligned. Oracle has the option of choosing just how much of a differential it will make between "premium" and "community". They may make more money over the short term if they set the difference to great but loose in the long run, if they drive the community elsewhere. It will be interesting to see what happens or just where within the many elements of the Java universe, the differences are placed.
Its not as if others haven't made mistakes with Java. Sun erred in failing to establish a clear two tiered strategy and then late in the game demanding too much of some of its bigger customers who became too dependent on Java, such as Google, who went off to develop their own "JVM" like construct (whether its different enough from the original Java is for the courts to decide). In the long run, if Oracle can keep the difference small, it will capture a larger share of the entire market. If not, expect numerous forks to appear in the future as they are beginning to do so now as Oracle tries to figure out if it is extending an open hand to the Java community or just a fist.
There are a few chapters in Shilov's linear algebra dealing with pencils, a number of problems in combinatorics concerning Sterling's numbers of the first and second kind, as well as a number of proofs of the fundamental theory of Algebra that I don't sufficiently understand.
Are there any math departments making referrals to electoencephalographers?
I'm serious. Does anyone know? It certainly would be worth a try, as long is its not too painful. I assume its probably no more painful than having to admit that, despite my best efforts, the beauty of these problems eludes me?
By the time the average Joe can get around to voting himself a paycheck, some inside corporate insider has already run off with the whole stinking bank, treasury, and all.
If you think that the very first election onward in the US didn't have politicians "what can you do for me?" and "look what I am going to do for you", you have a very poor knowledge of history.
Politics is the art of ripping the other guy off with a straight face and getting him to agree with you that its a good idea for you to do so. It predates America by many thousands of years.
Party pollitics are the necessary reality of a society that must make choices by the collective action of its citizens. Its only natural that people are going to organize and associate with those who support their views. It would be political suicide not to. While I think third, fourth, and fifth ... parties would be an excellent cure for the dysfunction that corporate lobbyists have achieved for our system of government by getting citizens to turn against one another for their advantage, three or more parties are never going to happen unless they happen on the local level and progressively become more and more part of a fabric in all elections.
If we had far more parties, then people could vote their convictions rather than the lesser of evils, where the corporate fat cats call the shots given their out-sized advantage in spending. With multiple parties more real horse-trading could then go on in Congress and better ideas would float to the top (regardless of whether, we as individuals regarded them as "better" ideas).
As far many Americans are concerned Social Security is their hard earned money not an entitlement for some repuke who wants to make himself look good by balancing their budget mistakes and by providing thier rich friends on Wall Street with more money to play in the market or yet another tax cut at their expense.
Repukes have a weird double game going on where taxes are their money but when Americans pay into the SSA somehow they are not entitled to get anything back. SSA is not a piggy bank for Wall Street. If you want to divest, divest of that idea. Its brain dead.
Meg Whitman spent $150 million, the most anyone has ever spent to get their ass kicked.
The only real recourse for average citizens is to ferret out just who provided the cash and boycott these corporations into devastating quarterly profit reports.
to let everyone know deficits don't matter.
Yes, pollsters like Rasmussen no longer have any credibility at all other than to serve as cheer-leaders for big business interests. Next time don't forget to take off 4-5% points from the republican side any Rasmussen poll. Then you won't be so inaccurate in your prognostications.
his replacement knows how to serve tea. At least passing the tea-bags will become one of the new republican mandated internet protocols. At least its a step up from "tubes". They are slow learners.
Watch for a waving of hands. Its an old trick taught by the Aqua Buddah himself.
The best part will be to see how republicans respond to the charge that they plan on leaving US troops in the field defenseless, with no money for ammunition or supplies.
Iowa. So many ears, yet no one listens.
God doesn't like Fiorina or O'Donnell.
Yes, but republicans have played this game so well for so long, that with a relatively few exceptions the gerrymandering route is just about as well carved out for them as it can be, so its not going to be the great boost that it might have been. Also California and New York the two largest delegations went blue which will cut into republican benefit substantially and there is no need to do a Tom Delay to make this happen.
Certainly, the repukes did themselves a favor by talking state houses and permitting their gerrymandered districts to continue to exist. However, there are a few things to keep in mind about this election:
1) far fewer almost half of democrats didn't even show up to the polls in 2010 ./ers happy.
2) the two largest states California and New York went democratic, which is not good news for republicans, especially in California, where their 10 year old Dukmajian-Pete Wilson gerrymandering has kept them competitive
3) In Texas which did stay in repuke hands is already so thoroughly gerrymandered that there is no additional repuke advantage.
4) the race for 2012 started today and already the repukes are getting nervous about the wrath of the consitutencies they are going to have to sacrifice to keep their promise (not than even 60% of polled voters think they actually will)
5) in 2012 a lot more republicans will have died from old age than democrats
6) there will be a lot more Latino voters in 2012 than in 2010 so the friction between the more practical repukes and their racist faction will get a lot uglier.
7) repukes no longer have any excuses as to why they are not fixing things
8) each perk they pass out to their corporate friends at the expense of the general populace will be big news
9) the repuke assault on internet-neutrality, investing in education for high-tech jobs, and science will not make
until corporations and the uber-wealthy figured out which politicians would be their constituents.
Now we have a guy who actually passed out bribes in the form of tobacco corporate cash on the floor of the house in plain view of C-span during a vote as the next speaker of the house.
American democracy RIP.
expired yesterday.
Now they must govern and fix things or their asses will be next.
It is pathetic to hear so many excuses for republicans. Now they don't have any worth a warm bucket of spit.
Its not a good sign to watch so many crowing on TV that they are about to start slashing spending, yet be unable to say one single program they want to cut. Its not as if the majority of government waste, fraud, and abuse isn't being handed out to republican's fat cat corporate friends.
Even the hypocrite Rand Paul was silent today as Bernacke imposed an inflation "tax" on US citizens without a vote. Looks like he is already learning how to lick the boots he was complaining about just yesterday.
You are an idiot. Premiums went up because insurance companies could find an excuse to make them go up. It locks in additional profit to insure executive bonuses in their contracts.
Your job is not to question why, your job is to pay and die.
"Maybe we all need to consider that American politicians just are not able to fix this problem."
I don't think we will have to. Asian (particularly Chinese) and European politicians and corporations are going to fix it for us. As the gridlock and the debt continues to force the fed to keep printing money, watch for the dollar to continue dropping like a stone and for foreigners to begin to buy up US corporations. With Citizens United, they can now buy the political influence they need to do this far more effectively.
Republicans will get their wish, the US will shrink dramatically as a nation and its government will be much smaller. To their surprise they will discover, however, that they won't be the new owners, it will be foreigners, who have been pouring money into the US Chamber of Commerce precisely for this reason.
I hope you have a more realistic plan than that my friend.
There is a good chance that the bank that owns your mortgage is technically about as solvent as you are. The only real difference is that the government is there to backstop them. You probably don't kick in enough in political contributions to really matter to them.
Consequently, they will not be doing any hiring or lending, just collecting. Heck they are busy collecting on properties that they don't even own, so why do you think that they give as you say "a flying rats ass" about your family?