I am talking about user experience. When something doesn't 'just work' it very much effects the user experience. Especially for the novice user.
I'm saying Apple lives a bubble when it comes to user experience. Example, a website doesn't work in Safari. The Apple apologetics just say, "The website doesn't conform to standards".
The user doesn't care about standards, the only thing they know is that their user experience is very poor, cause they can't check their bank account.
It's the same thing with any compatibility. I would say compatibily effects user experience more then any single issue.
Are you talking about Christmas '06 or '07 cause Vista isn't coming out for another month and a half.
Vista is available through legitimate channels now( Build 6000, the same one that will come shrinked wrapped). Of course you can't get it at Walmart, yet.
They make Office for the Mac.
Agreed, but Word generally comes free with PC bundles.
What is blend?
Blend is the inteface designer for WPF, ( codename Sparkle ). Its a tool targeted at designers. It's in Beta 1 now, so you can download it. Use it, then go use Builder. Apple should worry.
By UI advantage, I think I should say the ability to create beautiful 2D/3D Vector UI easily.
Sure, there are great apps for the the Mac, but just like from day 1, software availability for the windows platform is way higher. No comparison.
Dell, ya.. it sucks working with Dell until you know their system, and which products to buy. I never buy their 'consumer level' products anyway. PowerEdge, Precision, and XPS lines have done great for me.
I concede on the Pages vs Word. Word is often packaged with Windows ( in MS Works or such ).
Attachments.. I should clarify, it was really about me having to dig up 3rd party media viewers, and such.
Example, your friend sends you a.wmv movie to watch, it doesn't 'just work'.
1.)Installing Drivers.. I only install only for printers on Windows, but the same case exists for Apple, I had to intall the HP drivers.
2.)Windows are more susceptible, can't argue there. Especially for novice users. On a side note, I have never installed a virus scanner and have never had a virus ( I use symantec's online tool to check ocassionally ).
3.)Thunderbird, Hotmail, etc. Good choices available for PC. Mail is better then Outlook express, no doubt.
4.)iLife is the main reason I can think of to own a Mac, Vista has copied this to some extent and tools like Picasa are becoming more wide spread.
5.)Pretty subtle for a novice users.
Ya, its a good point if I want use Word documents I should buy Word. My point is that people shouldn't expect that Mac applications are easier to use. Clearly, for some ( and posssibly many ) they aren't. Apple apologetics want people to believe that Apple's application are unarguably easier to use.
As far as the WiFi, well it should be Mac mini vs Sony Vaio.. the Vaio just got better reception. One man's experience.
Anyone who has spent a little time with Blend and Vista will realized that Apple has just lost its UI advantage.
Last year I bought the Mac for my wife with few comptuer skills. Of course I raved about how easy her life would be.
Well, it just aint true,
Pages was harder for her to use then word.
Print Shop on the Mac wasn't as complete.
Websites stopped wokring on Safari. (Firefox was better)
Attachments drove her crazy. ( No MS office, and the converting to Pages was far from perfect )
Only 1 of 10 kid's games were compatible.
WiFi worked not as well. ( PC sitting right next to it got much better signal, surfing experience )
No Spider Solataire..( Ok that's funny but I had to find one for Mac )
iPhoto was the one highlight, but now vista's photo thing is close enough, and Picasa is also available.
This Christmas she's getting a Dell with Vista.
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Teredo uses similiar ( if not the same techniques ) for running IPv6 over IPv4 networks. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxp pro/maintain/teredo.mspx
I am talking about user experience. When something doesn't 'just work' it very much effects the user experience. Especially for the novice user. I'm saying Apple lives a bubble when it comes to user experience. Example, a website doesn't work in Safari. The Apple apologetics just say, "The website doesn't conform to standards". The user doesn't care about standards, the only thing they know is that their user experience is very poor, cause they can't check their bank account. It's the same thing with any compatibility. I would say compatibily effects user experience more then any single issue.
Are you talking about Christmas '06 or '07 cause Vista isn't coming out for another month and a half.
Vista is available through legitimate channels now( Build 6000, the same one that will come shrinked wrapped). Of course you can't get it at Walmart, yet.
They make Office for the Mac.
Agreed, but Word generally comes free with PC bundles.
What is blend?
Blend is the inteface designer for WPF, ( codename Sparkle ). Its a tool targeted at designers. It's in Beta 1 now, so you can download it. Use it, then go use Builder. Apple should worry.
By UI advantage, I think I should say the ability to create beautiful 2D/3D Vector UI easily.
Sure, there are great apps for the the Mac, but just like from day 1, software availability for the windows platform is way higher. No comparison.
Dell, ya.. it sucks working with Dell until you know their system, and which products to buy. I never buy their 'consumer level' products anyway. PowerEdge, Precision, and XPS lines have done great for me.
I concede on the Pages vs Word. Word is often packaged with Windows ( in MS Works or such ). Attachments.. I should clarify, it was really about me having to dig up 3rd party media viewers, and such. Example, your friend sends you a .wmv movie to watch, it doesn't 'just work'.
1.)Installing Drivers.. I only install only for printers on Windows, but the same case exists for Apple, I had to intall the HP drivers.
2.)Windows are more susceptible, can't argue there. Especially for novice users. On a side note, I have never installed a virus scanner and have never had a virus ( I use symantec's online tool to check ocassionally ).
3.)Thunderbird, Hotmail, etc. Good choices available for PC. Mail is better then Outlook express, no doubt.
4.)iLife is the main reason I can think of to own a Mac, Vista has copied this to some extent and tools like Picasa are becoming more wide spread.
5.)Pretty subtle for a novice users.
Ya, its a good point if I want use Word documents I should buy Word.
My point is that people shouldn't expect that Mac applications are easier to use. Clearly, for some ( and posssibly many ) they aren't.
Apple apologetics want people to believe that Apple's application are unarguably easier to use.
As far as the WiFi, well it should be Mac mini vs Sony Vaio.. the Vaio just got better reception. One man's experience.
It's not the computers fault, but that' like thinking you can speak English in France. Word is the lingua franca.
What? She isn't using emacs or vi? Sheesh
As for you last comments, what can I say, you've just mocked yourself, and shown why legitimate discussion/complaints on Slashdot is a joke.
On a serious note, why do people so defensive about the Mac? I guess when you can't argue a legitimate point, only ad hominem is left.
Anyone who has spent a little time with Blend and Vista will realized that Apple has just lost its UI advantage. Last year I bought the Mac for my wife with few comptuer skills. Of course I raved about how easy her life would be. Well, it just aint true, Pages was harder for her to use then word. Print Shop on the Mac wasn't as complete. Websites stopped wokring on Safari. (Firefox was better) Attachments drove her crazy. ( No MS office, and the converting to Pages was far from perfect ) Only 1 of 10 kid's games were compatible. WiFi worked not as well. ( PC sitting right next to it got much better signal, surfing experience ) No Spider Solataire..( Ok that's funny but I had to find one for Mac ) iPhoto was the one highlight, but now vista's photo thing is close enough, and Picasa is also available. This Christmas she's getting a Dell with Vista.
Ever heard of a little company called Palm?