Yeah, but when the ballot box is dismissed because one party is afraid of losing, and then dismissed again when the other party is afraid of losing, there really isn't any point.
You're right, only the sheep should be allowed to decide.
If someone breaks into your shed and steals your gun and shoots themselves with it, I'm sure you'll be full of tears for them because your padlock was screwed onto the door with ordinary phillips head screws.
While you understand that he is is one of the outstanding members of the Internet Community, you should also understand that he isn't a DSL or Cable modem user serving MP3s over a poorly administered network. He pays for his bandwidth.
What if he has a friend whose ISP is stupid (like most people), but that friend doesn't want to use hotmail or yahoo, so that friend can't send email when travelling unless they direct dial long distance to their ISP?
Now that friend says, wait a minute, my friend John Gilmore has a mail server. I can point to his MX and send my email.
Can you tell me another way to do this? Yes, if all his friends would get accounts on his server that would solve the problem. But, so would using hot mail. We're talking about people with existing accounts on other servers.
does Verio have the right to cut him off? I'd say they do. It's their network
That's the problem. Where is he supposed to go for an upstream provider? THere are only a few dozen major providers. And everyone, ISPs and all, have to go through them. I realize it's not popular to say so, but choice is essential for freedom. Remember when AT&T was broke up into 13 companies? There are 4 left. How's your phone service? How's your DSL? Congress just killed off all the CLECs and ISPs.
I hope you trust Verizon, Cingular, and Qwest/Microsoft.
and waited a bit for them to have their effect, I'd like to make a couple points.
One, John Gilmore is not some dipshit with DSL. Take a look at <a href="http://www.toad.com/gnu/">his webpage</a>. He is one of the founding members of the EFF. He knows what he's doing-- technically, morally, and legally.
Two, he's not sending spam. He's not enabling it, or allowing it. This "virus" doesn't exploit his computers, it exploits other dipshits, and then sends mail through his relay. But Spammers could send their mail through any other open mail relay (there are plenty0) -- but plenty don't. There are other ways to send spam. The virus could be written to use any open relay, why does it target his?
Maybe his definition of "friends" include people he wouldn't necessarily trust with personal accounts on his service. Maybe they include people he hasn't met personally. Would you deny strong encryption to people in countries whose government would supress their opinions, if expressed openly? No, but you would deny them the ability to send email?
This is a ridiculous scenario. No one in China or Iraq is going to use John Gilmore's mail server. But he's making a point. And the point isn't just about radicals in bad bad countries. Wouldn't it be nice if there were phones on every block and they were free to use? If everyone who could chipped in a little, the cost of sending email would drop sufficiently. Not to mention the increase in efficiency. Why should the email I send to my neighbor have to go to MAE-WEST and back? Do I really want every piece of mail I send to be routed through Verio or UUNet once they've got carnivores in place. The FBI can't put one in every geek's basement, but they can place them at strategic upstream locations and catch a huge majority the way we're currently set up.
The problem is spam, not open relays. Don't ban guns, or cars, or forks because people may do bad things. Spam will still come, in larger amounts than ever, even if all open relays are closed.
You wouldn't accept a company that has multiple expliots in their product to just advice all their customers to just disable the service that has the most frequently used exploit. Should we ban all webservers because Code Red took advantage of a vulnerability in IIS? Browsers because of bubble boy (an Active X exploit)?
This is a flawed analogy because there are other products that do not suffer from these exploits, and because these were coding flaws by one company. But other implementations could potentially be dangerous. Netscapes brown alert?
What about porn -- should we let net filters block anything that may be considered inappropriate for children?
Let's treat the problem, not one of the symptoms. Open relays enable spam. So does DSL. So does weak passwords. So does Hotmail. Is there any question where more spam comes from, toad.com or hotmail.com?
Wouldn't it be nice to live in a would where spam is not sent? You won't get there by ignoring the problem. Blackhole lists are like burying your head in the sand. They don't even save much on bandwidth. And they're getting further behind in the battle against spammers.
<H1> Say it ten times </H1> <OL>
<CARROT>
for (int i = 0; i < 10;i++)
cout << "<LI> this whole thing will be compiled" << endl;
</CARROT> </OL>
is converted to:
cout << "<H1> Say it ten times </H1> "" << endl; cout << "<OL>" << endl; cout << "<!-- begin embedded carrot section -->" << endl; for (int i = 0; i < 10;i++)
cout << "<LI> this whole thing will be compiled" << endl; cout << "<!-- end embedded carrot section -->" << endl; cout << "</OL>" << endl;
"Modern Judges" are a real problem, especially at the federal level. That may be a subjective opinion, but a survey of those who hold the opinion (asking those who disagree would be pointless) at which level judges are most corrupt, and a definite majority would show those at the federal level are.
You then go and cite a case where a judge exercises a bias to rule *contrary* to existing law -- by shutting down logging, an otherwise legal activity-- to side with a complainant in the absense of evidence!
Re:You are not anal enough either. (IAAL)
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You don't have to prove anything or have a whistleblower. All you have to do is ask them to come up with a plausible reason to modify the code other than "obfuscation." If they can't come up with one, it was either obfuscated (or changed by accident).
What the fuck does being a lawyer have to do with anything?
Are licensed members of the various states' bar assiciations (non-governmental organization, by the way) the only people allowed to read, understand, interpret, enforce, live by, be protected by, be excluded from, make, vote on, propose, opposed, enact, believe in, accept, or overturn laws in this country?
Re:Dirty Pool! But also confusing.
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That is a ridiculous ploy on the Free Software Foundation's part, if true. Their lawyers could just as easily defend you pro-bono (or the FSF could agree to pay your lawyers' bill)
Its all fine and dandy to deny something after the fact, but is he claiming he sent this email out before anyone at Microsoft had ever heard of the internet (long after 640K became a problem)
actually, they can, but if they try to force hardware and software manufacturers to follow their standards (SSSCA) -- or restrict other content creators, then they are violating anti-trust laws and a bunch of other stuff
Is not bad grammer. That is how they are thinking of it. After all, you do not actually are steal nothing. You are "create" a copy. The theft does not exist without the create. So by copy bits and not actually steal anything you "create theft".
Bill only stepped aside at the height of the Anti-trust scandal as a strategic move if they were forced to split. Do you think Ballmer really does anything besides make an ass of himself in public?
Actually, Apple's intention wasn't to get the students to use Apples when they grew up, they weren't thinking that far ahead. They just realized what a cash cow government contracts were, and that lobbying was cheaper than marketing.
Well, did you know that c was the first massively-distributed language in the world to have all of the following in one package:
<ol> <li>Semi-colon delimited lines <li>the function "printf()" built into the standard library <li>A product called "Borland Turbo C" <li>A debugging tool named "lint" <li>A derivative language called C++ <li>Standardized libraries <li>An internet worm made with it <li> Comments that begin with/* and end with */ <li> um, gcc was around long before kaffe </ol> <br><br> Its amazing how "feature rich" a language can be when you choose the features.
The performance issues come in when you try to implement C in Java. Why would anyone be so stupid as to try this? Because you can't implement Java in Java. Someone has to write Java, and if nobody knows how, then you're either stuck with existing VMs, or Java itself disappears.
Computer Science students need to learn a little bit about computer science. You can't just stop teaching it because it's already been invented. You need to know what registers, pointers, bytes, bits, loops, data structures, etc. are. Somebody has to learn how to implement computers, not just use them.
Miguel is not "friends" -- he's one guy, becoming more famous for making inflammatory/shocking comments than anything else these days. And he's abandoning.NET to implement his own version.
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Yeah, but when the ballot box is dismissed because one party is afraid of losing, and then dismissed again when the other party is afraid of losing, there really isn't any point.
You're right, only the sheep should be allowed to decide.
Its right wing conservative intolerant nazi racist christian baby-eater lies and shock tabloid.
If someone breaks into your shed and steals your gun and shoots themselves with it, I'm sure you'll be full of tears for them because your padlock was screwed onto the door with ordinary phillips head screws.
The smaller ISP would be cut off by Verio. Which, by the way, he is.
Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean you're right
While you understand that he is is one of the outstanding members of the Internet Community, you should also understand that he isn't a DSL or Cable modem user serving MP3s over a poorly administered network. He pays for his bandwidth.
What if he has a friend whose ISP is stupid (like most people), but that friend doesn't want to use hotmail or yahoo, so that friend can't send email when travelling unless they direct dial long distance to their ISP?
Now that friend says, wait a minute, my friend John Gilmore has a mail server. I can point to his MX and send my email.
Can you tell me another way to do this? Yes, if all his friends would get accounts on his server that would solve the problem. But, so would using hot mail. We're talking about people with existing accounts on other servers.
does Verio have the right to cut him off? I'd say they do. It's their network
That's the problem. Where is he supposed to go for an upstream provider? THere are only a few dozen major providers. And everyone, ISPs and all, have to go through them. I realize it's not popular to say so, but choice is essential for freedom. Remember when AT&T was broke up into 13 companies? There are 4 left. How's your phone service? How's your DSL? Congress just killed off all the CLECs and ISPs.
I hope you trust Verizon, Cingular, and Qwest/Microsoft.
but usually doesn't
root@localhost
and waited a bit for them to have their effect, I'd like to make a couple points.
One, John Gilmore is not some dipshit with DSL. Take a look at <a href="http://www.toad.com/gnu/">his webpage</a>. He is one of the founding members of the EFF. He knows what he's doing-- technically, morally, and legally.
Two, he's not sending spam. He's not enabling it, or allowing it. This "virus" doesn't exploit his computers, it exploits other dipshits, and then sends mail through his relay. But Spammers could send their mail through any other open mail relay (there are plenty0) -- but plenty don't. There are other ways to send spam. The virus could be written to use any open relay, why does it target his?
Maybe his definition of "friends" include people he wouldn't necessarily trust with personal accounts on his service. Maybe they include people he hasn't met personally. Would you deny strong encryption to people in countries whose government would supress their opinions, if expressed openly? No, but you would deny them the ability to send email?
This is a ridiculous scenario. No one in China or Iraq is going to use John Gilmore's mail server. But he's making a point. And the point isn't just about radicals in bad bad countries. Wouldn't it be nice if there were phones on every block and they were free to use? If everyone who could chipped in a little, the cost of sending email would drop sufficiently. Not to mention the increase in efficiency. Why should the email I send to my neighbor have to go to MAE-WEST and back? Do I really want every piece of mail I send to be routed through Verio or UUNet once they've got carnivores in place. The FBI can't put one in every geek's basement, but they can place them at strategic upstream locations and catch a huge majority the way we're currently set up.
The problem is spam, not open relays. Don't ban guns, or cars, or forks because people may do bad things. Spam will still come, in larger amounts than ever, even if all open relays are closed.
You wouldn't accept a company that has multiple expliots in their product to just advice all their customers to just disable the service that has the most frequently used exploit. Should we ban all webservers because Code Red took advantage of a vulnerability in IIS? Browsers because of bubble boy (an Active X exploit)?
This is a flawed analogy because there are other products that do not suffer from these exploits, and because these were coding flaws by one company. But other implementations could potentially be dangerous. Netscapes brown alert?
What about porn -- should we let net filters block anything that may be considered inappropriate for children?
Let's treat the problem, not one of the symptoms. Open relays enable spam. So does DSL. So does weak passwords. So does Hotmail. Is there any question where more spam comes from, toad.com or hotmail.com?
Wouldn't it be nice to live in a would where spam is not sent? You won't get there by ignoring the problem. Blackhole lists are like burying your head in the sand. They don't even save much on bandwidth. And they're getting further behind in the battle against spammers.
Those are old buzzwords. "Aspect" is a newer one
Doesn't this also do it your way (a la JSP)
example:
<H1> Say it ten times </H1>
<OL>
<CARROT>
for (int i = 0; i < 10;i++)
cout << "<LI> this whole thing will be compiled" << endl;
</CARROT>
</OL>
is converted to:
cout << "<H1> Say it ten times </H1> "" << endl;
cout << "<OL>" << endl;
cout << "<!-- begin embedded carrot section -->" << endl;
for (int i = 0; i < 10;i++)
cout << "<LI> this whole thing will be compiled" << endl;
cout << "<!-- end embedded carrot section -->" << endl;
cout << "</OL>" << endl;
You really tainted your own credibility here.
"Modern Judges" are a real problem, especially at the federal level. That may be a subjective opinion, but a survey of those who hold the opinion (asking those who disagree would be pointless) at which level judges are most corrupt, and a definite majority would show those at the federal level are.
You then go and cite a case where a judge exercises a bias to rule *contrary* to existing law -- by shutting down logging, an otherwise legal activity-- to side with a complainant in the absense of evidence!
You don't have to prove anything or have a whistleblower. All you have to do is ask them to come up with a plausible reason to modify the code other than "obfuscation." If they can't come up with one, it was either obfuscated (or changed by accident).
What the fuck does being a lawyer have to do with anything?
Are licensed members of the various states' bar assiciations (non-governmental organization, by the way) the only people allowed to read, understand, interpret, enforce, live by, be protected by, be excluded from, make, vote on, propose, opposed, enact, believe in, accept, or overturn laws in this country?
That is a ridiculous ploy on the Free Software Foundation's part, if true. Their lawyers could just as easily defend you pro-bono (or the FSF could agree to pay your lawyers'
bill)
Its all fine and dandy to deny something after the fact, but is he claiming he sent this email out before anyone at Microsoft had ever heard of the internet (long after 640K became a problem)
actually, they can, but if they try to force hardware and software manufacturers to follow their standards (SSSCA) -- or restrict other content creators, then they are violating anti-trust laws and a bunch of other stuff
Is not bad grammer. That is how they are thinking of it. After all, you do not actually are steal nothing. You are "create" a copy. The theft does not exist without the create. So by copy bits and not actually steal anything you "create theft".
Am hoping is made clearer.
Bill only stepped aside at the height of the Anti-trust scandal as a strategic move if they were forced to split. Do you think Ballmer really does anything besides make an ass of himself in public?
me too...with mono
Actually, Apple's intention wasn't to get the students to use Apples when they grew up, they weren't thinking that far ahead. They just realized what a cash cow government contracts were, and that lobbying was cheaper than marketing.
Well, did you know that c was the first massively-distributed language in the world to have all of the following in one package:
/* and end with */
<ol>
<li>Semi-colon delimited lines
<li>the function "printf()" built into the standard library
<li>A product called "Borland Turbo C"
<li>A debugging tool named "lint"
<li>A derivative language called C++
<li>Standardized libraries
<li>An internet worm made with it
<li> Comments that begin with
<li> um, gcc was around long before kaffe
</ol>
<br><br>
Its amazing how "feature rich" a language can be when you choose the features.
I think the Microsoft .NET school initiative will fizzle out pretty quickly when students start realizing that Microsoft isn't hiring anyone either.
The performance issues come in when you try to implement C in Java. Why would anyone be so stupid as to try this? Because you can't implement Java in Java. Someone has to write Java, and if nobody knows how, then you're either stuck with existing VMs, or Java itself disappears.
Computer Science students need to learn a little bit about computer science. You can't just stop teaching it because it's already been invented. You need to know what registers, pointers, bytes, bits, loops, data structures, etc. are. Somebody has to learn how to implement computers, not just use them.
I'm picturing a terminal and keyboard sailing out the window with "deleting inode 041523...." fading from the screen.
Miguel is not "friends" -- he's one guy, becoming more famous for making inflammatory/shocking comments than anything else these days. And he's abandoning .NET to implement his own version.