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Disney Blames Apple For Music Piracy
Vishniac writes "It looks like Disney CEO Michael Eisner is accusing Apple in part for fostering music piracy, particularly with its 'Rip, Mix, Burn' campaign. Testifying before the U.S. Senate Commerce Committee, Eisner said that the ad suggests to people that 'they can create theft if they buy this computer.' Apple? iMac? Impossible."
I blame Microsoft. They allow Napster to work. The RIAA should sue Microsoft. Ok.. I confess, this is a lame first post attempt. :P
I wondered when they would get around to going after Apple. *sigh* granted in order to RIP the music you sort of need to have bought the CD, but of course fair use rights can just be damned.
I guess george clinton was wrong ?
or maybe Disney is getting too greedy.
I dig the apple-ified title bar for the apple story. Of course, now Rob's going to get sued for stealing Apple's look and feel as Apple gets sued for mentioning that you can make mix cds.
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Let's shut those thiefs down and we'll have no more ripping of CDs. ;)
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... I could accuse Disney of promoting the idea that not wearing pants is okay. There is Disney propoganda that dates back as far as World War 2 of Donald Duck clearly not wearing pants. Thanks to Disney, people are learning left and right that not wearing pants is ok.
"Derp de derp."
RIP -- wouldn't that imply you have purchased the original music CD?
If it was download mix burn they might actually have a point...
Well maybe if they should "un"vent cd burners then! Because obviously thats what the majority of people use them for you moronic fool!
"you sonofabitch i didn't know!"
Since when is disney a big player in the music industry?
"All I can tell the "lesser of two evils" folks is that if they keep voting for evil, they'll keep getting evil."-Lp.org
One has to wonder what effect this may have on Disney's relationship with Pixar. After all, Steve Jobs is the CEO of both. I've always hoped that Disney would purchase Pixar. They do great work and would be a valuable addition to Disney. Buy them, and then leave them alone. Don't interfere in that division.
But, with Eisner making these comments could the already difficult relationship between Disney and Pixar become even more strained?
they can create theft if they buy this computer
Theft is an act. It is not something that is created. People can create pirate copies of music with this computer, but they can do that with most modern computers. Why pick on Apple? Why not pick on Redhat for shipping GRip and and MP3 encoder with their distro?
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I'm reminded of a quote I heard over the weekend. Apparently the "leader of the club that's made for you and me" stated in the hearings (in a rather irritated, spiteful tone of voice) that "if things don't change soon, we might have to change the way we do business."
Gee, you think?
People like Macs in part because they can rip, mix, and burn their purchased CD collection, or tote it around on their iPods. They also like Macs because they come with the tools necessary to put your own videos on DVD and send them to your pals. The latter is a power Disney does not want you to have. All video entertainment must come from the corporate empire. None of it must come from regular people.
Kudos to Eisner! The more that the copyright orthodoxy makes ridiculous statements like this, the more it makes it look like their proposals need a good second look. Let them scream from the mountains how everything should be protected because everybody is pirating. When they get to the point of labelling all of society as criminals all of society (hopefully including congress) is going to start wondering what the RIAA and the MPAA are smoking.
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The arguments the "industry" keeps posing are like blaming the people who make ballpoint pens for ransom notes....
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To listen on my portable cd player, whats the legal problem ?
That people do illegal things isnt Apple's problem or now is it ?
What's more interesting is that Steve Jobs is also the CEO of a Movie/animation Studio -Pixar!!
this is being said about the company who had god knows how many rock stars in their commercials promoting the ease of creating mix cd's, etc?
jesus. walt's probably spinning in his cryogenic chamber while elvis is playing xtank on the mk ultra mainframe.
your jesus is another mans xebu. chew on that hypocrites.
Rip/Mix/Burn isn't very subtle. It's not very suprising that someone was going to notice this and be annoyed. It wasn't very subtle at all. It's yet another opening shot in the war between the computer industry and the RIAA. I'm rooting for Apple in this one obviously.
To the rest of the world, however, they equate "rip" with "rip-off" as in "steal".
This whole problem is a result of bad word choice by the folks that coined the term for digital audio extraction. If they would have called it "extraction" or "transformation", Disney wouldn't be able to criticize Apple this way.
Disney is really a hypocrite, I mean it has been proven that a lot of their movies have been ripped off of others, such as Lion King from Kimba the White Lion and Atlantis from Nadia. Where has Apple gone wrong?
Maybe it is because of the Disney and Pixar issue (where Pixar is bound by Disney and they really want to get out of the contract) and Disney is really aiming at Steve Jobs... Thats probably completely wrong but is a thought.
Apple is not telling you to pirate movies anymore than BMW is encouraging you to drive recklessly. I saw a BMW commercial with a professional driver on a closed course doing 150+ MPH. Does this mean that if I buy the BMW I get to speed and break the law?
When was that campaign out...late 99-00? I find it difficult to believe that a 2 yr old campaign is seriously affect today's marketplace.
Someone teach Eisner what an ANOVA is, have him check to see if it really WAS a significant factor, and then talk to the Senate...
Doesn't disney Own "Go" A search engine that allows you to fing DeCSS?
= go _home&Keywords=decss
http://srch.overture.com/d/search/p/go/?Partner
Shouldn't they be yelling at themselves for aiding and abetting piracy?
_ _ _ Go for the eyes Boo! GO FOR THE EYES!
Just play the damn CDs and thats it. Of course no one ever wants to make their own CDs from music they have PURCHASED.
Its a huge joke which has all been stated ad-infinitum.
I dont own ANY stolen CDs computer or otherwise. I don't share my software AT ALL. The only violation I currently have is that win98 is on 2 computers while I learn Linux and am dual booting.
I made my own tapes for years. I ski with my OWN tapes. I guess when my dad and I switched tapes for a few runs, I was breaking the law. I guess I should buy the CD, my Dad should buy a copy, and my sister too, else were the criminals they want to protect the artists from.
Garbage. I simply want the newer technology to replace the old. Why should I still make tapes when I can make CDs? Of course DAT is better for skiing, but we know what they have done to DAT already...
Stop this crazy thing.
Sounds to me like they're promoting doing what teenagers around the world have done for decades: make music mixes.
Only Apple has made it easier to do via CD's. If you own the CD's, how is that piracy? Since if you're RIPping, you have to have the actual CD in the drive, correct? MIXing is rearranging tracks, and BURNing is putting the mix BACK on the CD.
I, for one, am tired of all of the legal bullshit that's being tossed around over the same damned issue time and time again. Do these people have nothing CONSTRUCTIVE to do, for crying out loud?
GIR: I'm going to sing the Doom song now. Doom doom doom doom doom doom de-doom doom doom doom doom doom doom...
Since when is it illegal to advertise for something that is illegal.
A court case comes to mind where a man was convicted of placing an advertisement in Rolling Stone magazine under false pretenses. The ad read something to the effect of, "Good grass, $15." When a customer received a plot of grass (think your front lawn) in return for his $15 he sued and won.
It is not illegal to write music about doing drugs or committing crimes, why should it be any different in the realm of advertising?
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Hey in Bambi the hunter had a gun. Disney promotes guns!
Oh man, I always thought that when they said "Rip," they were referring to the seat of my pants from sitting at my computer for 15 hours a day. Oops.
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Eisner accused the computer industry of considering piracy its new "killer app." He singled out Apple's "Rip, Mix, Burn" ad campaign of 2001 as an example of this type of behavior.
I was wondering when those commercials would get Apple into trouble, even though the fine print on the bottom of the screen said "Do not steal music".
This is exactly what Disney wanted, more "evidence" that computer users are just pirates, and necessitates controls dictated by the proposed SSSCA.
"Create theft". It may not be good english, but it meaningfully illustrates the alien thinking of many copyright-holder businesses.
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What the Great Eared One fails to mention is the fact that Apple has made several important concessions to the music industry in the design of their products.
First, there is the hard-to-miss "Don't Steal Music" warnings that one finds in Apple's materials. Second, much to the annoyance of consumers, Apple has designed the iPod/iTunes product in order to minimize the opportunity for piracy - it only synchs one way. Yeah there are ways around that but not with Apple software tools.
Incidentally Jobs has already issued a response that is quite interesting.
You like your Macintosh better than me, don't you Dave? Dave? Can you hear me Dave?
"If you legally acquire music, you need to have the right to manage it on all other devices that you own," said Jobs.
Goddamned right.
I use Macs for work, Linux for education, and Windows for cardplaying.
Let's face it, the only people making money on this are the lawyer mitigating these lawsuits. If you sue me then I sue you Who's getting paid?
It protects your children by only logging onto disneynet. It has no CD-ROM drives, and no floppies and no way to add them, as these could be used for non-approved activities. It also has a tiny non-intrusive cam that sends pictures of what is going on in your home back to Disney. Just to make sure you're not watching a non-Disney movie on the TV on the other side of the room. This is getting sooo lame.
What about Sony with their "complete control" MiniDisc advertising campaign (or whatever it was). Their campaign clearly suggested that MiniDiscs are useful for recording and editing music.
Or is it ok for Sony to do whatever they like because they are also a "content provider"?
fine then...what about sony's mini-disc? similar ad campaign. what do they think they can do about it anyway? Winchester is still around and their guns have killed more people in their history than Vietnam[accuracy unknown]. YOu can't blame a company for producing a product that _can_ potentially be used badly.
**off to buy a mac to rip mix burn***
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Several things spring to mind. First, why hasn't Eisner gone after Pioneer, the creators of the Mac SuperDrive, otherwise knows as the DVR-AO3? It's their licensed technology that allows Apple to market their machines this way.
This guy has too many holes in his arguments to spend the time necessary to refute each one. Suffice to say, he's an idiot.
1. I remember Rogers used to run an ad campain that promoted their high-speed internet by describing how fast you can download audio off the internet (this was back in the Napster days).
2. I recently saw a commercial for some computer co. (I'm thinking Gateway, but I'm not sure) that promoted using it's built in CD-burner to record audio downloaded from the net.
3. And of course Apple.
If the people didn't want to download music and burn it themselves then these ads would not be successful. By showing that these ads are working, then what the people want is the ability to download such things. The RIAA (Disney, whoever) should just let it happen. The RIAA's role will not become obsolete even if the only means of distribution was via the net. Their role would definitly change, but it would not cease to exist. They just need to see this.
Its when you distribute music to people freely that it becomes piracy. Apple makes no hint of transmitting your music to others, instead it provides features that make music more worthwhile to buy. In other words, they're promoting purchase of CD's.
Eisner should not be an advocate of the RIAA, he doesn't even know his terminology. As long as they want to use heavy handed approaches to 'stopping piracy', then they're just going to encourage it. Why? Because Eisner, for example, is turning into an enemy of freedom. As long as people hate him, then people feel justified in doing exactly the opposite of what he demands.
"Derp de derp."
Wired had a similar story:
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Webb, a computer consultant from Dallas, was browsing his local CompUSA when he saw a young man walk toward him listening to an iPod. Webb recognized the iPod's distinctive ear buds.
The teenager stopped at a nearby display Macintosh, pulled the iPod from his pocket and plugged it into the machine with a FireWire cable. Intrigued, Webb peeped over the kid's shoulder to see him copying Microsoft's new Office for OS X suite, which retails for $500.
Read the full story at:
http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,50688,0
Hasn't Eisner always proven himself to be a clown in his previous meetings with the press?
I hope some of the Congressmen realize the difference between "Rip, Mix, Burn" and "Download, Burn." When Apple advertises that their computers can do this, they are in no way advocating stealing anything from the music industry (obviously). When you "rip," you take the music off of a CD that you purchased, when you "mix," you remove the crappy songs from the album that were only included so you don't feel ripped off because you bought a CD with only 2 or 3 good songs on it, or you put the best songs from several albums that you purchased onto one CD, effectively discarding the excess crap that the good ol' music industry always surrounds the good stuff with. And I think that even the elected know what "burn" means.
"Rip, Mix, Burn" does not in any way advocate taking things away from the music industry, in fact it advocates getting rid of the things you paid for but deem worthless.
Lack of eloquence does not denote lack of intelligence, though they often coincide.
I wonder what would've happened if the tagline were "Encode. Mix. Burn." The word "rip" has such negative connotation as itis, and its increasingly tighter association with MP3 distribution (which in and of itself is viewed as a shady thing by all facets of The Establishment) only serves to help throw the term into the Big Pile of Words Which Instinctively Connote Badness In Technology, right up there with "hacker". It would've been interesting to see how differently public reaction would've turned out had they used a more benign word than "rip."
Of course! It's all someone else's fault! We had nothing to do with fostering piracy. Everyone should be happy paying artificially inflated prices for music, movies, and any other content so that we can continue to enrich ourselves.
/sarcasm
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Ford is accusing Sears of encouraging theft by their promotion of "Crafstman" brand crowbars, thereby distressing Ford's customers. When asked about the actual legitimate uses for crowbars, a Ford spokesman responded: "What's the first thing that comes into your mind when you hear the word 'Crowbar'? I bet it's smashing things. Maybe smashing windshields. We just want to help keep crowbar wielding thugs off of our streets."
Acutally in the literal sense, wouldn't it be completely legal to Rip a song, Mix it up w/ some groovy beats and then Burn it to a cd for personal use or even to resell as you have added value to the material thereby making it legal to distribute. (I'm thinking Weird Al...)
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Because oxygen facilitates computer piracy by allowing pirates to breathe, the DMCA will be outlawing this harmful gas as a copyright protection device.
"We're pretty sure there won't be any more piracy once we've removed all oxygen, destroyed the earth's atmosphere and made it completely unliveable for humans," a DMCA spokesman said. "The day we can go forward on this project will be a great day for corporate America."
Until all oxygen can be removed from the planet, all people caught breathing will be given Cease and Desist orders, and possibly incarcerated before they have a chance to run home and burn CDs.
During a discussion about this innovative new form of justice, George Bush stated that he is considering a similar plan to handle terrorists. "We will not be held hostile by terrorists, nor people who harbour terrorists, nor innocent civilians of countries that harbour terrorists, nor those chemical elements that terrorists need to survive."
"If you're breathing, you're either a terrorist, or you're aiding a terrorist by breating. Breathing is un-American." When reminded that the original question was about software piracy, Bush said that pirates shouldn't breathe either because it makes them a bigger threat on the high seas.
When asked if he himself had ever breathed, George Bush said that as all breathers were anti-American, and that he was most assuredly not anti-American, of course he has never breathed.
"Not like that hippy Clinton," one of Bush's entourage reportedly mentioned. "We all know that he inhaled."
Apparently, an informal polling of people with any intelligence on the subject said that removing oxygen to combat terrorism was not a good idea. When asked to comment on that poll, Bush laughed and said, "When has intelligence ever stopped Americans from doing what we need to do?"
Rip - Copy songs from my CDs to my computer.
Mix - Change the order of these songs to create a playlist that is superior to the individual CDs.
Burn - Write this playlist to CDs so I can listen to these songs the way I want to listen to them.
I don't care how many laws Disney buys, there is absolutely nothing wrong with this. What these ads really suggest is that Apple won't try to make listening to music impossible because of some misguided notion that pissing off your customers is good for business.
1) Rip, Mix, Burn is a cool tagline and picking on it makes better press than attacking parts of an operating system many people still haven't heard of
2) It's Microsoft's job to take on the Linux folks not Disney's. There are clear divisions of labor in the Illuminati.
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Love the new Apple icon for /.
Actually, he blames tech in general, that some tech companies are making money by selling devices that enable piracy of OPIP (other people's Intellectual Property).
Disney likes to have things both ways, go to a store and pick up a Disney branded toy, if the toy plays music, it will play either Disney-owned tunes, or public-domain music. Disney doesn't want their stuff going into public domain because they would have to actually create something new!
Of course, Disney creates new stuff all of the time, often drawing from public domain sources(Grimm's Fairy Tales, Hans Christian Andersen, Arabian Nights). So when Eisner say he wants to hold the rights to Mickey, Donald, Goofy in perpituity, it is with the knowledge that public domain works have fuelled his company's growth for the last decade(Beauty and the Beast, Little Mermaid, Alladin).
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A company with a number between 2% to 5% of the market gets so much attention?
If *everyone* reads this kind of article (Newsweek, Time, Slashdot, anywhere), Apple gets tons of free advertising, even though just about any PC can do the rip, mix, burn thing. Or rather, I think they can. I always build my own, so I actually don't know what a Dell or Compaq can do.
Anyone here own a Compaq or Dell? Is it as simple as 'Rip, Mix, and Burn'? I'm not joking when I say that this *is* how simple it is on the Mac. Writing a CD is similarly simple; select, drag, and burn.
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This is a pretty shocking accusation. I have to wonder if Eisner shared his planned comments with anyone at Disney or Apple beforehand? That is a pretty striking statement from someone who has in the past supported Apple.
Evenmoreso, Apple pretty frequently says they support people keeping the music that they own on their iPod and in iTunes. There is a little clause with iTunes and iPod telling consumers to be responsible and only store music they own.
Eisner is being a bit extreme. He should learn to pick his battles. Picking a fight with Apple is a bad idea... Especially when you have fish like MusicCity and Gnutella to fry.
Bad business decision. Really bad.
Justen
It is going to be cruical who comes out on top of this. It is very clear that Disney will never be able to control software, that is just impossible. But if they can trough congress get control of hardware we will be in for some bad times. So it is very important that the hardware manufacturers win that one. Although it is obvious i would like to say again that Disnay does not want to merely protect its copyrights, they want to control your devices to ensure marketplace dominance, and maximum profits. eisner says the battle is about copyrights but it is also about the major "culture" producers desire to entrench themselves so deep that they will have a monopoly on all culture created in the world.
this is just bull, complete bull...if they wana blame somone they should blame the music corporation for making cd's that could be riped
By the time this posts it will probably get modded redundant, but nowhere did Apple's ad say "Rip, Mix, Burn, Steal", or even "Rip, Mix, Burn, Swap."
This is one of the most offensive aspects of Disney et al's push for the SSSCA; I don't begrudge them the desire to protect their IP from piracy, but the attitude that everyone who owns a computer (especially an Apple, apparently) is a dirty, dirty pirate really chaps my hide. Well, that plus the fact that the SSSCA would effectively put me out of work if passed in its current form.
God forbid I rip all of my CD's which I legitimately own by a particular band and burn all of the MP3s onto one mix CD that I can leave at the office.
Rip, Mix, Burn, Fair Use.
Paraphrasing MSFT's Craig Mundie:
"Rather than form a federation with Disney and work with what we had already created, there was this (stupid) notion that the world should be offered an alternative"
According to this point of view, let Disney hunt down Apple and Pixar, and get the monopoly of the entertainment industry as MSFT wants to do with the IT industry. Let Disney spread alone their subliminal messages to the humanity!
Apple puts this slogan in all of their music-related ads, and I think they also put this sticker on their iPods. I guess no one told Eisner about that...
It doesn't matter, really, since the RIAA/MPAA's new take is that beacuse of rampant piracy, fair use must be eliminated. There goes the doctrine of "substantial non-infringing uses."
For the book says, "We may be through with the past, but the past ain't through with us."
Disney had better be pretty careful on this one.
Disney's last few decent releases have been the animated films Toy Story, Bugs Life, Monsters Inc. all coming out of the Pixar production house.
Steve Jobs is still CEO of Pixar and major shareholder and has a well-known history of fighting fire with fire.
IIRC Pixar are contracted to do two more films and so far every one of the Pixar releases has been very successful especially when the merchandising angle is brought in.
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It is about time a large company got into this debate that wasn't on the accusing side.
For a long time, some companies (Apple, Sony, HP, Phillips, etc.) gave us tools to "rip, mix, burn" and told us to do so (I'll call them enabling companies), but when these sacks of shit that make up the content production companies complain and whine, these enabler companies didn't have much to say. Now, a big company (with their own healthy PR department/company) can take some of this brunt.
We can now have a debate between equals (or semi-equals, we'll see who else gets involved over the coming months) instead of having big companies attacking consumers for using products in seemingly fair ways (use the PC to rip and mix, and then use a CD burner to make CDs).
So, yeah, it seems pretty stupid and petty, but I think it is high time the enabling companies get into this debate.
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(they always break you eventually)
Ummm, IMHO fair use is still alive. Until further notice, I reserve the right to space-shift any content that I have purchased.
Mikey can perform unnatural acts on a wildebeest for all I care. Come and get me, Disney lawyers!
In other news, astrophysicists have announced that they now know what all that dark matter is: it's stupidity.
Note to Moderators: The above was SARCASM, not a TROLL.
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Isn't this kinda like blaming ferrari for global warming? I don't quite see how '5%' of the computing population could be responsible for the decline in 'insert favorite medium here'...
As an aside, I think the term 'rip' has been misinterpreted...I remember when iTunes came out and I had to explain to someone that 'rip' was parlance for extracting songs off a CD...not 'ripping off the musicians' by downloading illegally obtained music.
I guess "Extract, Mix, Burn" isn't as catchy...
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How is someone supposed to "Rip" if they don't "Own" first? Someone needs to put these companies in their place and protect us from their unbridled greed. We have fair use rights, if we have paid for the music then we are legally allowed to make copies for our own enjoyment. You cannot "Rip" unless you have already purchased the product. Apples rip, mix, burn ads do not encourage theft, they encourage fair use. It is Disney who is encouraging theft by trying to persuade congress to restrict our freedoms for their unfair desire to charge us all multiple times for the same product. Now THAT would be theft.
Michael's just pissed off because Shrek's been downloaded more times in one day than the Little Mermaid II, Tarzan, and that Sleeping Beauty thingamacrappy-sequel all rolled up in one really putrid sack with a ribbon on top. I'm sure after all those months he's spent hearing Mickey go on and on about how Minnie's riding his arse for not bringing home the bacon, Mr. Eisner's had just about enough.
The people at the Mousehouse had better whip him up an extroverted and irascibly witty talking trashcan along with a shy, yet very good-hearted dancing toilet plunger who yearns to be spitshined, so he can set out on some sort of adventure in which he sings and dances Disney's way back to decent animated features.
Ah, who am I kidding? They'd be better off just hiring Dreamworks to do it for them.
Well, if using an Apple makes me a pirate (and didn't Apple fly a pirate flag from the building they were inventing Macintosh in?), I submit the following:
Yo Ho
Yo Ho
A pirate's life for me
We're ripping and mixing and burning CDs
(Upload me hearties yo ho)
We steal and create theft and don't like Disney!
(Download me hearties yo ho)
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have a looksee at Insulting Partners Is Fun on AtAT. that is probably the best written artical on the subject i could find ;)
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If music was not so expensive (CDs are a total rip off, no pun intended), then like over priced software, people would not 'steal' it. And with all manner of distribution media available, why not allow music be distrubuted free (via any medium) using a shareware system and let people pay what they think each track or 'album' is worth? The public are not generally that stupid and will support artists they respect. We (O'WONDER) are thinking of developing such a service (placeholder at http://www.ponyup.net) and http://www.fairtunes.com (now Musiclink) have already launched a site with a similar model. It's a radical challenge to capitalism, but no one (not even God) has ever defined how we're supposed to run our economy, so is change now due? Thoughts?
O'WONDERWe're working on it.
Do guns kill people or do people kill people?
Do VCR's make illegal copies of movies or do people make illegal copies of movies?
Do computers make illegal copies of cd's or do people make illegal copies of cd's?
Do computers make illegal copies of software or do people make illegal copies of software?
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A barefoot man exclaims "Damn! Time to cancel that insanely great Jolly Roger ad campaign..."
Of course the iPod is a piracy device - who wouldn't want to shell out $350 for an iPod so they can avoid having to buy a few $15 CD's? Uhm hmm.
"Apple's ad campaign suggested to potential buyers "that they can create a theft if they buy this computer," said Eisner, who otherwise ignored Apple's iPod ad campaign, which features prominent warnings against stealing music. "
Uhm.. how does one 'Create a theft'?. How do you create a verb. Disney + Corporate Executive Office = Grammatical Moron
Is it just me or does this guy sound like the genetic reject of the bad side of a trailor park
As one said you have to own it to rip it, It does not say download, mix, burn, or rip, bix burn, sell, or even rip, upload, trade, burn.
If you own it you can mix it or even play it, just not trade or sell it.
Saying Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders.
Thank goodness we have people like Eisner standing up for our rights to purchace entertainment at premium prices.
There's no loss of sound quality at all. Am I wrong, or was the music industry pissed off when casette players began to have the ability to record too? Nobody wants Disney's Aron Carter or whoever that kid is anyway. :P
Yes, it's completely Apple's fault. Eisner's 100% right.
I didn't WANT to buy a Mac. Apple made me because they convinced me with marketing how great it is!
I didn't WANT to use OS X -- Apple made that the default.
I didn't WANT to download Limewire. My hand was forced.
Downloading them music itself? Well gee, I had Limewire, OSX, and the Mac, so I figured it was alright.
Sheesh! Leave it to Apple to corrupt me. God forbid it's as simple as an individual making his or her own decisions.
Luckily, Disney isn't forcing me to pay for their overpriced, shitty theme park, nor are they making me see their crap films (not including Pixar movies -- simply because those ARE pixar movies, not disney whatsoever).
Anyway, I'm going to write my Congressman and demand Apple be stopped!
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Disney CEO Michael Eisner blames Microsoft for allowing children access to rampant pornography. Through their technology cleverly named "Internet Explorer," children of all ages are easily given access to hoards of pornography. In addition, their tagline "Where do you want to go today?" has already been answered by many children to the words of "To the bathroom... I'll be right back" and "To take a long shower." This can only serve as proof that Microsoft is using pornography to corrupt little children's minds. Eisner said that the propaganda suggests to people that 'they can easily perform self-pleasure if they buy a computer with Windows XP. We must stop this travesty now.'
All Disney needs to do is to buy out Apple.
Err.. Is it too early in the year to start this rumor? It is March..
7:30 Check personal email ("you've got mail !", $$$ --> AOLTimeWarner)
8:00 Arrive at the office. Check appointements on Pocket PC ($$$ --> Microsoft)
9:00 Conference call from Utah to California office ($$$ --> USWest)
11:00 Buy a box of blank CDs to ship the product ("CD-copying fee" $$$ --> RIAA)
12:00 Have lunch with potential customers, check route to restaurant on Internet cellphone ($$$ --> AOLTimeWarner)
13:00 Pay for lunch at restaurant's WinCE-powered POS ($$$ --> Microsoft)
14:00 Back to the office, check email on company laptop ($$$ --> Microsoft)
14:45 Listen to personal CD bought yesterday on laptop ($$$ --> RIAA). Oooh, why won't it play ? gotta get another one.($$$ --> RIAA)
15:50 Finished quarterly report, email it thru company's Exchange server ($$$ --> Microsoft) 17:00 Going back home. Need to gas up the car at the local TV-equipped gas station ($$$ --> AOLTimeWarner) 18:00 Arrived home, catch the Simpsons ($$$ --> Viacom) 19:00 TV sucks. Read a good book on brand new Ebook reader ($$$ --> Microsoft)
20:00 Check email one last time before going to bed ($$$ --> AOLTimeWarner)
20:30 Give cute Barney toy to kid to help them falling asleep ($$$ --> Microsoft)
21:00 Pop CD in radio alarm clock and set it for 30 minutes ($$$ --> RIAA). Funny, that CD plays here, hmmm
Check out the lyrics of "Choose life" from Trainspotting. That'll give you a pretty good approximation of how sick corporate America makes me (and no I'm not a communist).
If "Rip, Mix, Burn" type language is what Disney is going after, shouldn't they be going for companies like Philips that use almost the exact same slogan for its set-top CDR's? Or Roxio for its campaigns for Easy CD Creator?
One must wonder why the CEO of a company that produces spiffy animations of flying children and elephants with airfoils for ears is even marginally attributed with "keen insight to the inner bowels of Information Technology." This government investigation amounts to no more than a witch-hunt where everyone is to blame, and no one is innocent. Guilt-by-association seems to have become the rule of the day. This is reminescent of the Communist hunts of the previous century that besmirched a government in over it's head. Once again we find ourselves watching the antics of a leadership in the US that obviously hasn't a clue what is really going on, and needs to have their AOL accounts revoked. What a sad state of affairs we have when the decision-makers in office rely on public-but-completely-unqualified experts for intelligence information.
Truly, has the legal system devolved to such a state that companies are punished for the actions of a minority using their products in an illegal manner? Why this of all things? We don't see congressional or senate hearings where Senators who obviously haven't a clue what they are talking about verbally accost and regulate the 'cigarette-paper' companies because their products might be used to roll a joint. Nor do we see the CEO of Johnson and Johnson testifying for the continued operation of his Baby-Powder production despite the fact that drug-pushers use it to cut down the heroin they sell.
The truth is that some people in the Entertainment industry have bought off some influential people and convinced those legislators to pursue monetary compensation for ill-perceived losses. Oh yeah, and on the way, let's throw in a little public humiliation.
If the RIAA and the other Media Moguls want to circle-jerk on something, why aren't they really going after the little guy?
Because there is no money to steal.
Way to go Michael!
Anonymous Kev
Proudly posting as AC since 1997
Now I know more than ever why I always like Bugs Bunny and Foghorn Leghorn better than Ricky Rat ... although Bugs' now being associated with AOL and Ted Turner has made him lose his lustre.
The Independent: Reverend Spooner Arrested in Friar Tuck Incident - ISIHAC, Historical Headlines
Macs are illegal too.
So are iPods
As long we're on the topic of Disney and private property, wasn't Mickey Mouse supposed to pass into the public domain some time ago?
Disney is keeping him on the corporate payroll only through liberal donations to various polititians.
Disney has long had a problem with the whole 'public domain' thing.
___
It's the end of my comment as I know it and I feel fine.
And, indeed, I do buy fewer CDs now--not because I download anything from the Internet (which I don't), but because I can actually find the music I have.
If Eisner would get off his behind and actually offer music on-line and on-demand at a reasonable price and under reasonable conditions, I wouldn't have to bother with the CDs or with maintaining harddisk space. The price should be somewhere where it reflects the costs, which would make it cheaper for me to download it when I want to listen to it rather than maintain 50G of my own disk space spinning.
I'd very much prefer prefer music on demand. But someone who makes many millions of dollars a year is perhaps a little too out of touch with real consumers to understand what they want.
Has anyone every stopped to think that maybe people just want to be able to listen to any music they want at their convience. Maybe we should just make that part of all this legal. Technology is nice, but not worth the price.
I replaced my old iMac partly to get this fancy CD burner and the iTunes software. If only I had known I was creating theft by making copies of my CDs and rearranging the tracks without permission, I would never have bought it.
But on the other hand, if I didn't buy the Apple computer, my $1300 would be sitting in my savings account, denying the government rightfully-deserved tax revenue (or even worst, I could've put it in my Roth IRA! Only communists use Roth IRAs to deny the government tax revenue!!).
I don't know what to do! Should I take the computer back and then turn myself into the authorities? Please, won't Bill Gates or Mickey Mouse come on TV and tell me what to do! Or N*SYNC could write a song about it so I'll know what to think! Help! Thinking is hard!
Just an innocent attempt at humor considering today's topics.
Come here, So I may brain thee!
that he's RIGHT ...
;-)
that'll teach him
Oelewapperke
title says it all.
c-hack.com |
Why can't all you lawyers and money hungry business peoples just get the hell away from the internet so I can be a geek without having to worry about all this stupid licensing bullshit, and who owns what, and who I'm making mad. I mean, if I write a small shell script called 'microsoft.makes.me.want.to.kill.myself.sh' and have it echo 'I HATE MS!' over and over, then execute it from putty on a windows machine, am I going to face a lawsuit for making slanderous comments about MS while using an MS product? Probably..
Can all fish swim?
Well, Jobs statements and the skewering Pixar gave Disney in Shrek. You don't think Lord Farquaad, er, Eisner was amused do you? Perfect little boring kindom, nasty leader, gates at the entrances, work it out!
I don't read ACs: If a post isn't worth so much as a nom de plume to its author then I wont bother either.
Blame Canada ...
From the article it seems that Disney REALLY wants to push the Security Systems Standards and Certification Act, and Apple is just one of their legal points in support of the act.
;)
But, just think.... if the US Senate DID pass such a law.... it would mean that all of the CD burners and DVD burners which were made before the act would become a valuable commodity! Keep that 2x caddy CDR you bought in 1992!!!! It may be worth something!!
Built-in obscolescence has met its foe.
We all know that Apple doesn't promote music piracy; they promote software piracy.. :)
So send your congressperson an email/snailmail indicating the difference. Stop preaching to the choir and start preaching to those whose ignorance of even something small like tech jargon postpones real legislation that considers the beliefs of the ragged slashdotter masses!
If anyone is from these states could you please get in touch with the people mentioned and tell them to tell Disney to suck on something? No Jersey, so no go for me :(
[o]_O
Eisner also realizes that this is primarily a political struggle which will be decided by his creatures in Washington, D. C. However, if he fails to get this decided in Washington, D. C. by politicians it will be decided by consumer choice. Rather than Hollywood dictating to the tech industry as it has in the past the tech industry will be making decisions that impact Hollywood and Hollywood won't be in charge.
Hence, the tech industry has to be demonized so that legislation designed to curb them will pass with out to much public outcry.
Why Apple? Because Apple is very image conscious, and unlike Microsoft has been resistant to control from Hollywood. (To be fair, Hollywood and Microsoft have a mutual interest in destroying open computing.)
We all know the doomsday scenario if Hollywood suceeds in their disgusting ambitions. let's hope most people find Apple's pro-consumer stance to be the correct one.
First off attacking Apple for the entertainment industry's inability to secure their own content isn't really attacking the problem. Let's say all mac users steal music, that's max 5% of the market share. That means for every Mac user there are 19 windows users potentially stealing. Say that Apple does make it easier, so only 50% of Windows users steal music. That's still 10 to 1. Why doesn't Disney go after windows? Because they want to pick on an easier target.
Secondly, Apple has made some efforts to deter piracy. Most windows products may no attempt to deter piracy. In fact, most CD burners don't come with exhuastive warning labels. Arguably, Apple has at least made a token effort. It's stupid to go after the one guy that's trying to help you out a little, but that's not what Eisner cares about.
Before people flame me as being anti-Microsoft, I'm not. Things like iTunes seem to just make it easier, but it's nothing you can't do on any OS. Even if there were controls, eventually someone would circumvent the controls. I think DRM is an attractive idea politically, but will practically be of little use.
Leave the gun, take the cannoli -- Clemenza, The Godfather
The very Idea of a a CD writer should be against the law, The idea of a casset deck with a record feature should also be against the law. Should we also go as far as to say that any HDD with write access should as well be against the law?
Saying Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders.
Well looks like the day has come where I actually have to defend Apple's and Steve Jobs position.
:)
I think that Apple and MS should audit Disney to see if they have all the required licenses. Thanks to proprietary software, we can have our sweet revenge
OK, I obviously missed something ... when did Slash become themed? The web page I have infront of me right now has a VERY MacOSx feel to it. (Funky 3dish graphics, and those light grey lines in the background of all the white areas...)
Nuff said. I'm more and more depressed by the day at the complete lack of desire by ANYONE to MAKE ANYTHING NEW anymore. Shit, everyone seems so caught up in making sure they can own shit ad nauseum that the whole idea of creating quality art seems to have gone out the window.
"Old man yells at systemd"
This will be my first complaint abound being moderated down.
I was trying to make a point about the story of Apple only being allowed to enter use the name "Apple" if they didn't produce any music with the computer, which would compete with Apple records which was the Beetles' label.
Sosumi is the name of an apple alert sound. The story goes that it is a jibe back at apple records saying "So sue me!" and not really a Japanese word.
I don't know what of that is true or not, but my post was fully on topic within the realm of apple being sued for producing music.
Can I have my Karma back please.
We could sue the companies that press the CDs, or make the CD-ROM drives that read (or rip in their mind) the compact audio, or Sony for their VHS tape players, or Maxtor for making the hard drives that store the "pirated" material.
Give me a break.
cd-burners don't steal music. people steal music. ...or something. yeah.
Now back to your regularly scheduled rant already in progress...
Everyone should be using FreeBSD instead. Ooops, wait, Apple is running FreeBSD in OS-X :)
I really think they are pushing it a bit...I don't think there are many virgins left, well those who haven't burned a CD, on a PC or a Mac, or recently the CD recorders that are coming from Philips and so on....and I really do not think that anyONE has ANY right to destroy anyone's ad campaign...everyone knows you can burn CDs with any computer and any CD burner...not a big deal, I hope...
Eisner said that the ad suggests to people that 'they can create theft if they buy this computer.'
So, the mere hint of an illegal activity will obviously lead to rampant law breaking?
Blaming Apple is really a stretch. I would guess that people with enough money to purchase a Mac are less likely to pirate all their music than users of more affordable hardware.
It looks like corporations that deal with copyrighted material have a new scapgoat for any failure to bring in revenue. Blame Apple. Blame Napster. Blame college kids.
Eisner's bellyaching is yet another example of a trend where large corporations try to portray themselves as victims.
Pathetic.
Disney is ingenious. According to this Wired article (I believe another Slashdotter got to this before I did), they're also beginning to manipulate their television programs so that they include anti-piracy messages.
"If we can't stop the current generation from benefitting from fair use, we can certainly instill 'revenue increasing morals' on those generations to come!" It's a bit ironic considering that Disney is notorious for plagiarizing a superior artist's work and releasing it as their own.
I can only imagine the army of influenced five year olds uninstalling their older brother's copy of [Napster|Grokster|Kazaa|Morpheus|WinMX]. "But Rob, Goofy said that it was bad not to purchase a RIAA licensed copy of that CD!" "Garsh," Disney sucks.
Do you like German cars?
The fundemental problem is Apple and Disney have fundementally different revenue models:
Disney has a huge backlist of contenet taht they can control, repackage and sell - on ethey add to every day. Anything that threatens the value of taht backlist by making it easy to acquire outside of Disney lower's Disney's expected return, and hence overall valuation.
Apple views itself as a hardware company - it makes money selling Apples, and teh software is an integral part of the product, and not one that forms a growing and valuable backlist (how many people are looking forward to the 25th aniversary edition of Finder?). Hence, they are driven by consumer desires, and consumers want to be able to burn CDs (and increasingly, DVDs). If they don't include features consumers want, people will either:
1. Buy add-ons elsewhere; or
2. Buy something else.
In either case, Apple loses potentially profitable revenue streams.
Apple, whoever, is also a software company and values IP (although for quite some time they gave away updates to their OS - until they realized it was a good source of revenue), so they really don't want people to steal music or videos, but must try to walk a fine line between providing what people want and not giving people ways to steal other's property. In the end, however, revenue trumps a desire to take the high road - they are after all, in business to make money, and for Apple, the money is in the hardware/software combination; not in softwrae alone - so they will do what it takes to push iron out the door, no matter what Mickey wnats or thinks.
Now, what would be interesting if Apple secretly tagged al copies of CDs/DVDs burned with their software - so copies could ultimately be traced to the original source.
I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
You mean like stealing royalties for works that did not originate in their studios?
Maybe when Disney starts respecting intellectual property rights, we will. Oh Bother.
That when the site linked to is REALLY down there are no mirrors yet? While in every case when the original data is available there are tons and tons of mirrors around. Makes me wonder if anyone here actually goes to read the stories.
Would appreciate anyone putting up a mirror or at least the text.
All bow to his Noodliness!! His Noodle Appendage has touched me!
Piracy is not a technological problem, it is a social problem (paraphrasing here).
In Bushworld, they struggle to keep church and state separate in Iraq as they increasingly merge the two in America.
Why do pleas for sympathy coming from Michael Eisner ring hallow?
No artist tolerates reality. -- Nietzsche
Apple: 1 optical drive per system (shipped)
Apple: Crap for file sharing clients
Apple: No DRM Strategy
Apple: Works the first time, on click on one mouse button
Windows: 95% market share
Windows: Multiple drives. (at least on a quick survey of best buy this weekend. Hp's have a dvd and a cdrw)
Windows: Every file sharing client
Windows: DRM Strategy
Windows: Drm enforced by reformatting your HD every 6 months
Yeah, Apple's the problem. It's obviously the source of the huge hordes of people copying music.
I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Crack head / punching bag Rodney King was found dead in his compton home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the $lashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an African-American icon. :(
He will be missed
What a jerk.
Disney has a navy, they should have this whole piracy thing cleared up right away. Aaaarrr! Matey.
Seriously, it's 'copyright infringement', not piracy, piracy implies boats and all sorts of sexy high-seas hijinks. Every time you call it piracy you feed the media hype surrounding it. They can't sell it to Joe Average if it doesn't sound sexy.
If you paid a little more attention /. carried this story also. http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/02/28/ 1429243&mode=thread&tid=176 And as we all know, if /. carried the story its got to be old news.
This sig is a virus, take it and use it.
LinuxWorx
Spelling errors are intentional as are gramatical error
Proudly creating 'Theft' on a Macintosh, MoFo.
Yeah, Apple is a real threat to the music industry. That's why they gave them a grammy!
Isn't it legal to rip tracks from CDs that you own and record them onto other CDs? Isn't that like a mixed tape? Perhaps Disney should shoot themselves, they've clearly lost their mind. The question is, what did Apple really do to Disney to prompt this kind of bullshit response?
"It's here, but no one wants it." - The Sugar Speaker
Here all this time I've been ripping music from CDs I bought so I could make my own mixes in iTunes and to listen to in the car. I didn't realise that I was supposed to steal that music instead of buy it! Thanks for opening my eyes, Mr. Eisner!
Jesus.
I ripped all my old, decaying CD's from 1993 - 1999 with my G4. Then I put them on my iPod.
Then I listened to them. End of story. I didn't pass them along to my friends. I didn't put them on Morpheus or an FTP server for people to download.
Fuck!
I'll bet if the RIAA got a % everytime a Mac was sold, they'd be singing instead of whining.
Again.. Fuck.
=-Jippy
Of course, the vast majority of us knows this is hogwash, but there is a loud and vocal minority that copy illegal music/software/movies, and they might have very well been the first to coin these particular terms.
I know, for example, when I asked my mom in high school if I could buy a "CD burner", she freaked out. It just sounds wrong. But if you say "CD writer", it sounds official.
Mr. Ashcroft is eroding more of our precious civil rights day by day.
Mr. Rumsfeld refuses to meet Chinese military officials because of his hurt ego in the spyplane incident (which was provoked by the US military; who told them to fly so close to a foreign airspace?!).
And you, people, whine about some Mickey Mouse company?!
Get a life.
Yawn. More blame transference from people who are looking at everyone but themselves as the reason piracy exists. "CDs are a rip off and we're putting out more and more mediocre artists not worth the plastic they're printed on. I wonder why people pirate?" Hell, I don't even go to the movies anymore because I refuse to cough up one dollar, let alone seven, to endorce the creation of such visual atrocities like "Dude, Where's My Car", "Jeepers Creepers", whatever war drama that's horribly inaccurate to make the U.S feel good about itself or whatever teen comedy movie with the most dick and fart jokes are out. I'm seriously waiting for the RIAA and MPAA to blame artists for creating music and films, which can in turn be recorded and distributed illegally.
There's an ad for AT&T broadband that runs on my local TV in which a guy says "I want to download the top 40... while it's still the top 40!"
I've always taken that to be telling me that I should buy a cable modem to pirate music faster.
Hey! I've got a great idea! I'm going to DisneyWorld for my Honeymoon in a couple of months... how about all the down-south geeks grab some tickets, or at least pay for parking... grab some fsck the MPAA shirts and we parade around letting those asses know just how pissed we are about their arrogance.
You can hit up the Commerce Committee for PDFs of the actual statements. Anyone got any Ogg Vorbis of the Hearing?
Disney is afraid....wait a minute doesn't apple have some kind of a contract with Disney, or indirectly so...
does that mean i can sue Ford because their cars alow people to break the law (speed, run over people, tear up my lawn) or could i sue the makers of telephones for enableing telemarketers to hassel me, or just maybe i'll cut through all the BS, and sue God for allowing everythign to be so f'd up ;)
PC users go to Disneyland
;)
Mac users made Disneyland.
So if the saying is true then Mac users already work for Disney and therefore have no rights, so they should stop stealing and get back to work and earn that bowl of rice a day.
Promoting penises escapes me. But Ariel (the little mermaid herself) is underage, as most debutantes debut at age 14, which means a movie about her getting the sailor guy can be labeled as child porn and Fantasia has been labeled by many as Walt's best acid trip.
Virg
Also, having a stromg maternal figure is bad.
Name three Disney animated classics where the lead character *has* a mother, and that mother is anything more than a simpering non-entity.
What is Disney trying to say about family values?
Kevin Fox
She wouldn't believe me when I told her that Disney is evil, evil, evil. But now that they're attacking Apple (the company that makes her precious B&W Mac tower), I think she will see the light.
/. that would be of genuine interest to non-geeks who haven't heard of Slashdot. Hell, what can it do other than bring in new readers/ad eyeballs?
Offtopic, but articles like this are a reason why Taco should implement an "email this discussion to a friend" link. There are some discussions that pop up on
Bill Clinton: Pimp we can believe in. - The Shirt!!!
Seems to me that the content industries want it both ways. In the days of yore, records were treated like a media purchase, and it was common practice to tape them to keep the disks pristine.
With the CD, we crossed the Digital Divide, and suddenly we're not buying media, we're buying a license. Well, if that's the case, if my CD gets a scratch, I should be able to get a replacement for a nominal fee. After all, the cost of manufacture is around $0.10. Also, if *I* am licensed to use the content, I should have a decently described set of rights for use, and they shouldn't by necessity be limited to the delivery medium.
OTOH, if they're selling me the media, a thing, I should be able to do whatever I want with it, shy of making copies for others. But of course if I scratch it, it's done for. So then prudence would dictate that first I rip and reburn, and use my copy so the original remains pristine.
Seems to me that there's not a heck of a lot of effective difference between pure (reasonable, Borland-like (remember Turbo Pascal) license) content license and simple media purchase. Video is in essentially the same bucket as CDs, though they started getting fiesty with videotape, and didn't wait for digital.
But the content industries have crafted a new hybrid that's more restricted than either media or license, alone. It sounds like I've bought a license to the media, not a license to the content. So what have I really bought?
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
M-I-C: see your profits plunge
K-E-Y: why? Because you are overcharging your customers
G-R-O-U-S-E
Maybe it's time to adjust the business models of the record companies. If only 2% of the artists subsidize the whole industry, it means that talent identification is poor, and cost controls don't exist. If other businesses relied on 2% of their products for the bulk of their sales, they'd be out of business.
I am sick of people like him trying to get everything locked down and in their control.
The SSsca is blatantly unconstitutional, and it's
garbage like this that goes against what countless people
have fought and does to prote4ct. (
Mr Eisner, did you know that my grandfater fought in World War
Two so you would be alive today and able to whine about piracy isntead of possibly rotting
in a concentration/death camp? Did you know he
was held in a Nazi P.O.W camp and beaten while
protecting everyone in this country, including
you? If you don't like thje fact everything is not locked down, too bad. Neither you and
your SSsca buddies are our lord and masters.
We don't need people like you in this country.
You might this article Entertainment Execs, Fear Not the Net of interest in regards to this thread.
There is another issue I'd like to clarify. Disney and other content owners are not seeking to stop home taping or eliminate "fair use." We are not here because we want to hinder libraries and college professors in using portions of creative works for scholarly research. Nor are we here because we want to interfere with consumers who wish to make a home copy of Broadcast and basic cable TV programs for their own personal time-shifted viewing. We are confident that the government can act to facilitate the needed technology standards without endangering home taping or fair use.
So if you take him at his word here, he wants to preserve fair use, including personal taping for time-shifting and that sort of thing. Do you think he can be believed here?
and buy a PowerMac, PowerBook or new iMac in the event that they get sued. That would be probably more effective than any Amicus Curae brief.
/. has to do something, they are way too slow posting things.
This story was in my site Three days ago...
They are definitely fostering other kinds of piracy...
Blearf. Blearf, I say.
Hello, when I was browsing the site today, I saw a small, probably typographic error. I would appreciate if you could correct this by posting the article "Apple: Disney Blames Apple For Music Piracy" under the topic "It's Funny. Laugh."
Thank you for taking a look at this,
Apple very clearly displayed that disclamer during their "RIP, BURN, MIX" commericals, if anyone was paying attention.
"Steamboat Willy" wasn't that good a cartoon, anyway!
Disney, who needs 'em?
Ooops, this story isn't about cheesy politicians who were braindead before they skied into trees. Sorry, my bad.
Making fun of people's disabilities since the 30's.
--- Sueños del Sur - a webcomic about four young siblings
Dateline: Suburbia -- Joe and Jane Blow still had no comment as the jury was debating the testimony of this complicated computer technology lawsuit. The combined RIAA and Microsoft suit against the Blow family for piracy began after insurance investigators duly reported the recovery of the Blow's computer files and music collection after their home and contents had been destroyed by fire.
"I was smart enough to back up my XP disk, other software, and my entire CD collection as MP3's, and store it in another location for safety," said Ms. Blow during the trial. "But when I tried to call MicroSoft support to sort out the installation of XP on a different computer than the original purchase, they were less than helpful. I even explained about the fire and everything. But no, they have to go to court, seize my system and all the backup software and music, then have the gall to charge me with piracy! I paid for all of this once already! Why can't I use my stuff?"
Mr. Blow had no comment about the seizure of his 60+ disk strong DVD collection of Russ Myers, John Holmes, and Hentai videos, also allegedly duplicates of the original purchased disks.
Pacifist paratroopers yell, "Ghandi!" when they jump.
I prefer to take action that use these TOOLS for bad purposes.
Eisner is a tool with a bad purpose.
I'm a 2000 man.
Now we are seeing this attitude surface in public statements. The speech given at the recent music awards (can't remember names - shows how much I pay attention to such things) specifically mentioned "illegal riping". And now Eisner points to a campaign entitled "rip, mix burn" (as opposed to, say, "download, mix, burn" or "rip, mix, copy" or something else that suggests actual illegal actions).
... didn't mcrosucks pretty much rip apple's ad soon after it came out. I remember it doing so, so why not blame bill, they ship w/ the tools to steal as well....
To quote the great philospher, Hasbro's Princess Leia in a gold bikini : "The more you tighten your grip, the more systems will slip through your fingers!"
Hey Disney : "HOW DO YOU LIEK THEM APPELS,  FELLOWS?!!!"
How the hell did this get modded off-topic?
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I am disgusted after hearing about Thursday's SSSCA hearings. The computer, something I have loved to use for over a decade, is now being neutered thanks to media companies. Disney is one of the main proponents of this bill. I am also disgusted on how Disney is at fault for copyright extension - something that is hurting the collection of public domain works.
I made a decision on Thursday to boycott Disney. I have been planning on taking the family to Disney World or maybe go on a Disney cruise. Not any longer. I am not even going to let my newborn watch Disney movies.
Sorry, Disney, you lost a potential costumer. It's your fault you lost me.
I know from looking at estimates from the major companies...Disney lost big last year..I think Eisner is trying to find holes so he can keep his job
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'they can create theft if they buy this computer.'
I made a look at the artlce, and created a stare in disbelief as Eisner established a speak that built an annoying and built a trample of my fair use rights, brewing a pissed me off.
that class-action lawsuit against the record companies for collusion and illegal business practices to keep CD prices jacked up? I recall they were busted for strongarming record stores that sold CDs at a discount.
$18 for a CD from some insipid boy band? You gotta be smokin' crack!
(I'm still waiting for my check!)
They sell blank CD's after all!! How much more blatant can you get??
Want more?? Just wait until the RIAA goes after the copper industry, for making the wires via which their 'property' is stolen..
The REAL jabber has the user id: 13196
What you do today will cost you a day of your life
I like Apple as a company.....well, sorta. There's plenty of reasons to like them. The simple fact that Microsoft and Eisner aren't all buddy-buddy with the folks at Apple is a good start. But why does Apple insist on being part of this joke of an alliance that probably doesn't like their 'Rip, Mix, Burn' campaign anymore than Eisner does?
"Apple of Steel," I think of it as. The new tough, hardened Apple. "Think different... WITHOUT MERCY." :)
The coolest voice ever.
Why should that be implemented? All it would do is provide a way for Slashdot and it's parent company to build larger lists of valid email addresses to spam if they so choose. I never use that feature on *any* web site and chastize anyone who puts my address in one of those web forms.
Why not simply *copy* the URL in your browser and *paste* the link into an email *yourself*?
All disney has to do is expand the Copyright term by 4 more years and we can pounce on them!
Jacob Grimm died in 1863. Disney's Snow White and the 7 dwarves came out in 1937. That's 74 years later.
All Disney needs to do is expand the copyright term by 4 more years and we can point out that if this copyright term had been in effect when Disney started out, they wouldn't have been able to make the world's first full length animated feature film.
I always find it ironic that Disney makes such a big deal about copyright, yet they made their living off other people's past-copyrighted work. Snow White, Three Little Pigs, Pinocchio, Cinderella, Alice in Wonderland, Peter Pan, Sleeping Beauty.
Disney owes their livelihood to public domain works.. particularly The Grimm Brothers' intellectual property.
There was an article in WIRED a few months ago talking about fair use policies. It referred to an incident when VHS was just starting out:
A company developed a system to be used for video rentals. It had a mechanical system that allowed the tape to be played through only once. Then it had to be returned to the video store where they could use a special key to rewind it. (Sounds a bit like DIVX!)
This company took their prototype to Disney and showed if off. The Disney Execs were appalled... they said there was no way they would ever allow such a system to be used with their movies for how would they know how many people were in the room watching it!!!!
Obviously times have changed and Disney has a very viable market in video sales and rentals. But this is an example of a company fearing new technologies would drive them out of business, and then coming to embrace it with time.
MP3 will be like that eventually. Companies are resistant now, it is seen as a threat, but eventually they will realize that there is no stopping it. No amount of copy protection schemes is going to stop MP3. Companies would be better off spending their time and money finding new ways to do business WITH MP3, not against it.
Most likely Eisner is not trying to help Apple, but that's the effect. Apparently Apple has become the de facto media management system in Eisner's eyes, and that's just the way Apple and Jobs would like it to be. Deservedly so.
I also agree that Apple has conceded to media industry by making iPod xfer only one way. Should be two way, and friendly to other iPods.
Most probably, Eisner is just clueless.
So, the king of rip-offs (anyone else here remember the "Kimba-Simba" debate?) and story hacking (Pocahontas was 12 and John Smith was a pedophile) want's to blame Mac for music piracy? Maybe he should take a look at his own Censorship record...
Disney buys Hollywood Records. Hollywood Records happened to be the holders of the Insane Clown Posse's contract. So what does Eisner do? Forces the Juggalos to release a censored version of "The Great Milenko" (joker card #4 for those of you keeping track). In response, ICP bolts from Hollywood and releases a non-Disney-fied "Milenko," which went platinum. Stupid? Nah. Just typical Eisner.
I was never the biggest Mac fan, at least not till OSX. Now I'm Pro-Mac. Blaming something/someone like that for people wanting to take hold of their freedoms is a prick's trick. Think Eisner is sleeping with Billy boy over there in Redmond? Wouldn't doubt it...
Everyone wants something public and noticable to take the blame when this crap happens. There is only one group to blame for music piracy: Us. We, the masses who are sick of paying 18 bucks a CD for 2 good songs and 10 crappy ones. We, the masses who are sick and tired of having MTV tell us what we should think is "cool tunes." We, the masses who are sick and tired and are waiting for a revolution in which we can take control of that which was taken from us long ago by "big business."
Stand up and shout, folks. Write Eisner at Disney and tell him what ICP told him: "Michael Eisner can suck my d**k if he's got some kinda problem with my s**t. Everybody jumps to the Juggalo Sound, f**k outta here if you ain't down with the Clown" "Just holla Fagget! Fagget! They call you that, cause you act like a bitch. Everybody jumps to the Juggalo Sound, f**k outta here, F**K OUTTA HERE!"
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since simpsons is a fox show ithink they are owned by 20th century fox which is owned by news corp(i.e. rupert murdoch). viacom owns paramount,wich owns upn and all those damn theme parks(i used to work at carowinds). this is not to say that all fox shows are owned by fox , melrose place was a paramount i think
Your Ayran movement leader is calling you. Society doesn't want you any more.
Not counting Toy Story 2, they've released:
Now, I'm no math major, but doesn't five minus three equal two films left on that contract?
Some humor in this I guess... Ripping music on a Mac
I like big butts and I cannot lie.
In Lessig's book "The Future of Ideas" he has a story that shows you pretty clearly where Disney's head is. In IIRC the early seventies, RCA was working on a consumer VCR. They were concerned about publishers' IP rights so they developed a ONE-USE cassette. After showing the video once, the cassette would mechanically lock and couldn't be rewound. You'd have to take it back to the video store and pay them another rental fee to unlock it.
They showed this to a bunch of Disney executives. Their reaction was "We would NEVER distribute our movies that way. When the tape is played, we have ABSOLUTELY NO WAY OF KNOWING how many people are in the room."
"How to Do Nothing," kids activities, back in print!
R.I.P, mix and burn.
Oh, I can't help quoting you because everything that you said rings true
Mickey Mouse was recently hired as an intern for G.W. Bush. When approached for comment, the former cartoon rodent declared "I just have my dresses dry-cleaned more often than Ms Lewinsky."
-Billco, Fnarg.com
I hate to borrow a catchphrase from the gun nuts, but..... I have ripped over 2000 songs to use with my iPod. I own the CDs for every last one of those songs. the iPod has DEFINITELY caused me to buy a lot more CDs than I otherwise would have bought.
This will surely prevent computer users from listening to pirated music.
Tin Pan Alley
Piracy is a social problem, not a technilogical problem
Guess that sort of ruins my plans to dominate the world through the pirated sale of such quality films as "Return to Neverland" and "Cinderella 2" using my iMac as a mass production facility.
Of course, what about the argument that Disney's making of these movies will undermine the deployment and distibution of good ORIGIONAL children's movies?
This comment is fully compliant with RFC 527.
For years Disney has been peddling corporate monoculture at the expense of age-old fairytales. Now they're throwing their weight around to make sure Mickey isn't portrayed badly (see adbusters.org) and to make sure that people don't "steal" things they paid for. Haitian garment workers make about US$.11/hour - half the minimum wage there, and 1/5 the living wage - making Disney pajamas.
Oh, no! Somebody might steal from a poor, impoverished multi-billion dollar corporate thug!
Record companies should loosen their grip
Quote: Jobs suggested that recording labels need to make it easier for consumers to use their own music however they want. "If you legally acquire music, you need to have the right to manage it on all other devices that you own," said Jobs.
I'm probably going to get modded down for being redundant, but Disney's blaming of Apple is based on the need to find a scapegoat, and nothing more.
This tactic is applied to all sort of situations, from losing one's job, a failed marriage, financial problems: everybody wants somebody to blame. They are usually less concerned about who's ACTUALLY responsible than they are about finding the easiest target to level blame upon. For example, the economy may be at fault for someone losing their job, but you can't pick on the economy.
This need for blame is sometimes emotional: pent-up frustration must be directed somewhere. This is sometimes political: somebody who could potentially be faulted for incompetence must save his/her job by taking the onus away from themselves.
Everyone agrees with the facts that the movie and recording industries aren't doing as well financially as they once were. What many people disagree about is the cause of this decline in financial results.
My personal opinion is that they industries are highly cyclical, depending upon either the state of the general economy or the presence of hit albums, songs or movies that bolster the bottom line. At the present time, the movie and recording industries seem to be at one of the lower ends of the cycle.
The reason why I think that Apple was singled out is because they represent a distinct vendor among an industry full of more or less homogeneous PC dealers. If you pick on Dell, you're probably going to have to deal with Compaq, Gateway, HP and a host of other PC dealers. A bully will pick on the nerdy, lonely kid at school, but he won't pick on a kid who's popular and has lots of friends to back him up.
So poor Apple is the loner of the computer biz that gets targeted by Disney, who, for all intents and purposes, IS the bully in question.
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Funny that Disney chose to single apple out, since they are in bed together due to Pixar... One must wonder how much money Steve Jobs has made for Disney, through movies and merchandising. Perhaps Eisner could have picked up the phone to his wunderchild, rather than moan and groan about him to congress?
Look at how much money Disney has made off fairy tales. Peter Pan. Snow White. Beauty and the Beast. Further, they have used other royalty-free aspects All the music for both Fantasia's. All the copying from Star Wars and other movies that Toy Story did. While collecting and not paying is good business, it isn't good for consumers, and we shouldn't have to put up with it.
it has been proven that a lot of their movies have been ripped off of others, such as Lion King from Kimba the White Lion and Atlantis from Nadia
You forgot Pocahooters.
They scream of piracy, yet they themselves pirate folktales and legends for monetary gain.
That itself may not be a crime, but their souring rendition of history via rose colored glasses (aka, Pocahontas) should very well be. They rewrite history for their own profits, they brainwash children and warp their minds.
Granted, the movie industry does the same, but at least the movie industry doesn't try to erase the fact that humanity cannot be seen in black and white.
This company itself makes me question whether we need copyright reform or not. On one hand, they abuse it and our government goes along with it, all because of a money-grubbing mouse.
Yet, I'd be wary of not keeping a lengthy hold on my own work, and I'm sure many feel the same - heaven forfend if they put their kiddifying-mitts on my own work. Oh, admittedly, I doubt that'd ever happen.
But what would you think if they pillaged an acknowledged 'great work', such as, dare I say, the works of Tolkien?
I imagine Walt is rolling over in his grave at a decent speed right now.
I imagine that Robin Hood, King Arthur, Peter Pan, John Smith, Aladdin and a host of others are spinning just as much. Be warned of Disney, for if their destruction of stories and legends continues, the Earth might be thrown into the sun from the sheer force of those who are busy rolling around under the soil.
Mickey is really pissed off about this
Heh I got a flamebait moderation on this. Anybody know why? The basic point of my post was to illustrate that flawed logic can make anybody sound evil. Did I slip up here?
*wishes people who mod down could provide a reason for it*
"Derp de derp."
If I bought a product from everyone the RIAA sued, I'd be broke in no time...
Bullshit. Don't substitute one distortion for another. I acquire some of my music from eMusic, which I have to download to get. I'll be damned if you, Eisner or anyone else implies that I'm a thief for doing "download mix burn". My credit card statement for the last eight months says otherwise.
We want some answers and all that we get
Some kind of shit about a terrorist threat
- Ministry
They might have actually had a case. AT&T broadband in my area currently has a slogan on one of their commercials, "I want to download the top 40 while it's still the top 40." Where as "rip, mix, burn" in most cases constitutes fair use (notice they didn't say "rip, mix, upload", or "borrow, rip, mix and burn", or anything to suggest copyright infringement), I don't see how downloading the top 40 while it's still in the top 40 can possibly constitute fair use (unless AT&T has some deal which I don't know about, in which case I'm getting AT&T Broadband). It seems to me this is good news for us, as Apple simply have to remake the Sony/Betamax timeshifting case all over again. I'm glad they didn't find AT&T Broadband first to irreversibly muddy the waters. AT&T would be the straw man argument. Thank god they are finally going after what they really want rather than some rediculous straw man.
disney ceo's must not need much of an education.. maybe i should try it sometime... i wonder why people were never accused of theft when they made mix tapes from borrowed sources? i used to do it all the time with my friends' tapes, back in the 80's, and was never accused of theft. this is basically the same thing, except with a more permanent and versatile media, and this person calls it theft? hah.
Disney is right, just the other day I put in a CD and the computer said "do you want to make multiple copies for your friends" and it was the veronica voice so I couldn't turn her down, it was so tempting. Apple forced me to commit a crime through their oh-so-super-sexy-veronica(high-quality) speech to text module!
Why is there SO much talk about music licensing in the news right now? Am I one of the only people around that doesn't give a rip about this issue?
Let's read some more stories about cool new developments in the Open Source world. Let these brawling corporate money-grubbers and lawyers waste lots of money fighting about licensing and copyrights and go to hell. They already seem pretty irrelevant to me anyway.
Slashdot is dealing with political debate too much. Remember that we're still just a bunch of geek coders, not lawyers. Let's keep it that way.
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Pixar still has a few movies left in their contract with Disney.
Note to Pixar: Keep up the good work, but don't sell out!
Failing in his master plan to make Disney films completely unwatchable (and therefore "pirate-proof"), Eisner has turned to Plan B: whining to Washington.
Extending his current argument, Disney itself should be held accountable for mass-producing and selling films in such a handy portable format. This is like handing the swarthy, back-alley pirates a couple of perfect $100 bill plates and a printing press. (Forget the handful of so-called "legitimate consumers" who would have you think they actually buy videos to watch them.) Disney should be ordered to immediately cease all production of its' piracy-friendly "entertainments" (including, but not limited to, films, videos, TV, radio, CDs, Broadway musicals and internet media). This chastity belt on production would effectively stop the virginal media conglomerate from getting screwed by the unwashed masses.
Unburdened from the slave galley of schlock entertainment, perhaps Disney could set it's "imagineers" on the problems of world hunger and developing clean, low-cost source of energy.
My advice to the RIAA and MPAA stop manufacturing DVDs/CDs, stop showing movies on TV and stop playing songs on Radio. If you want to protect your property, only show movies in movie halls and only play music at concerts. I'm sure no one wants to pirate movies shot in a cinema hall using a handycam and I'm sure no one wants to pirate music recorded on a portable recorder.
There you have it folks!.
I'm guilty of sharing music with a music fan friend of mine. We probably burn one or two CDs per month for each other to try. The thing is, we largely have different tastes in music, so we do this mainly as a way of saying, "Hey, try this out, you _might_ like it, I certainly do." knowing full well that the other person probably would never spend $$ on it because there are simply too many other CDs on the market we'd rather spend our $$ on first.
Personally, I don't see a damn thing wrong with it because it's really not taking money away from anyone. We each spend upwards of $1000.00/year on music and if we share a small percentage of it between us, that just serves to broaden our tastes a little perhaps. I think for most people, burning CDs is their way of getting music they like are aren't in love with enough to include in their next spending spree at the store or amazon.com.
The people with the time and energy to burn all their music and really spend less every month on the real thing are the teenagers and college kids that have been buying all this crap music.
If it hurts the sales of mega teeny-bop slick scientifically produced and packaged acts, so be it; I really don't care. The market can do with less of that crap and turn back to serving the tastes and interests of the people with money to spend on the real artists!
If only a thousand MP3 zealots who don't already have Macs went out to buy new iMacs ... that would be almost a million dollars straight into Apple's coffers
$799 * 1000 = $799,000. Apple *might* get 20% of that. Maybe.
-Ryan, with the unoriginal sig
This is kind of lame, but I submitted an article saying that Apple was showing commercials that said "Rip. Mix. Burn." and that it was kind of as if they were promoting this stuff, but without the Disney factor.
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This man (Eisner) is clearly losing his mind to claim the ability to create a verb that is as old as language itself. It's not like this is anything new, however, since it isn't any more fallacious than the idea of intellectual property. I'd bet that this is just the stress of lowered profits and a senate hearing exposing his insanity and permitting to to spread.
I'm dead serious, too. The whole idea of intellectual property is big time doublethink, a feat which no sane mind is capable of to any great extent.
BlackGriffen
Schnapple
I'd like to state that the above is my opinion, and is clearly meant to be such, since I am not a doctor, and have no clinical training to actually make such an evaluation.
I'm being a bit paranoid, I guess, but I'm not in the mood to get sued today.
BlackGriffen
I've seen Apple's ads and it clearly (or at least more clearly than car commercials) says in small print at the bottom of the screen that Rip, Mix, Burn should only be used for lawful purposes... ie making a digital backup of CD's lawfully obtained and mixing those backups into a "for personal use" cd.
Well, software piracy is an act of creation, that much is true. But software piracy is not theft. How does one get to 'software piracy is "created theft"'? WTF does that mean?
Folks who buy an iPod, G4Ti and (if you look at Apple or VW ads lately) a VW Passat clearly have no money left over for CDs they HAVE to steal the music!
This
Is this the same Disney complaining about ethical practices that draws the priest with the erection in The Little Mermaid? That has the guy whisper "All good children take off your clothes" in Alladin?
homo! (oh wait, i guess it doesn't work if you're gay.) Uhm.... hetero!
This CD that I bought, am I allowed to listen to the copyrighted material that's burned onto it? I must, in some way, be allowed to copy it so that I can listen to it, right? Or is that illegal? At the very least the digital information has to be read by the player and turned into sound waves by my stereo equipment (a form of copying) in order for me to make use of this thing that I bought.
If they aren't selling you a license to listen to the stuff on the physical CD, then they're being sneaky; allowing you to break the law. Except, in this instance, they don't mind; they'd rather you broke the law than sell you a license. Is this correct?
cygnuhchur
I wonder if this guy has read The Future of Ideas by Lawrence Lessig to make this connection between Apple and piracy. As the book talks about Apple's ad, however in a some what different way then this guy talks about it.
Yeah, you can always count on a good story from AtAT.
I mean, you know Eisner is coked out of his mind when Intel is defending Apple. I wish ol' Walt was still around to smack some sense into this idiot.
SIGFEH
Think about that for a second. They didn't put some legalese disclaimer about proper use, etc, etc - they came right out and said that downloading music that isn't yours is stealing. It seems like Apple is pretty clear that they want people to use their software/hardware only for legal activities.
I'm a little confused as to why companies like Diamond, Iomega, and others that make "personal digital music devices" (read: MP3 players) aren't kicking and screaming about the SSCA. Do they not realize that sales of these devices will go down to 0 if people can't rip CDs? Or have they already sold their souls to the RIAA, who in turn has promised to provide (Windows) software to decode "unrippable" CDs?
There is no sig, there is only Zuul.
Hmmm... perhaps the corporations really *aren't* fighting for the interests of the artists...
Nahhh.
Lawsuits are currently pending against firearms manufacturers along similar grounds.
It's not that big a stretch.
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
Man, So now Eisner is worried about kids pirating his music? Hell, when I was old enough to like music Disney made I was trying to figure out where in the world Carmon San Diego was on my Apple 2.
:)
But, anywho. Eisner is the head of one of the worlds largest media companies and he is simply trying to play the same game that the rest of the RIAA and MPAA tools are playing.
I'm starting to get quite sick of all of this garbage personally. These guys can't grasp the concept of change. They are fighting to maintain the industry in the same state that is has been for the past 60 years. It IS possible to develop sociological solutions that would benefit artists and the concept of "free" music. However short-term profits seem to be clouding the minds of these media executives.
Copy protection and all but banning the MP3 media format on one's desktop computer is not the way to go about things. It just annoys people like me because I am forced to buy non-standards compliment disks that don't play in my GD car or my computer at home (and I am a college student, so my computer IS my stereo at home, just like everyone else that I know).
A totally new business model is needed for the record industry. However hell will probably freeze over before I see one of these multi-idiot run media corporations use any part of their business degree brains that is the least bit creative.
Errr. I need to win the lotto and start a lable
"Things are more moderner than before- bigger, and yet smaller- it's computers-- San Dimas High School football RULES!"
It's really encouraging to see Apple stand up to this kind of misinformation, and to take a stand on fair use. I'd also like to point out that, for those that missed it, that Apple delayed the release of Quicktime 6 (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/02/13/04123 4&mode=thread) due to the unfair license. Apple was willing to shell out the $2 Million, but did NOT want customers to have to pay $0.002/minute for commercial streams. The point being that they could have released it for personal use and let the customer deal with it if they were streaming commercial content, but they didn't. They took a stand.
Thanks for putting your money where your mouth is, Apple.
and the modem they dialed in on.
all they are doing is saying that you can RIP(music from a CD), MIX(Music tracks for a new CD), and BURN(the tracks to a new CD)
besides....when you make an MP3, it can only be transfered from the creation PC to another location, you can not retreansfer from the new location because the MP3 is marked....that I think is a very fair way to deal with the music issue....rip all you want, have all the MP3s you want, mix as many CDs as you want, send an MP3 to a buddie or the iPOD , but the proliferation ends there.....that should be the hardware/entertainment industry standard.
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
Stupid Eisner..
end rant;
Sapere Aude - Homer
Sony is more into the music market than Disney, and they pull no :( ) digital audio, including MP3 format. And then there's
punches when it comes to letting you enjoy your personal music
collection. Their VAIOs come chock full of applications for working
with audio, and their newer Mini-Disk recorders (MZ-R700DPC,
MZ-R900DPC) include Firewire connections for downloading (but not
uploading
the memory stick MP3 player. On the other hand, their as yet not
released in America next generation MD system appears to have a copy
protection sensor of some sort. Anybody know anything about that, and
is it a *bad thing*?
Gary Dunn
Open Slate Project
because they are the ONLY company (read: unlike Microsoft) who is putting out creative software without a single shred of DRM in a whole hardware/software platform.
Oh the other hand, MS tracks what its users watch, listen to, and possibly download.. sotheir court cases are being squashed left and right and will continue on being the sole source of software from the US govt...
(then again, it took over 9 months to figure out that they were tracking wath you watched, so tell me that they AREN'T tracking your downloads)
Apple is in the sights of the RIAA and MPAA. This is because they have not capitualted with the notion that if you can hear it, they can charge you for it. The battle has just begun.
Maybe i should take back some of those granola chewing long haired hippie comments i made about Apple before.. well, i do own 7 Macs.... so maybe i voted with my dollars a long time ago.
I was just about to say that Apple is in serious trouble.. but then, i've been hearing THAT for 20 years so.....
guns kill people like spoons make Rosie O'Donnell fat.
Please, if you believe that "rip off" stuff you must think it's pretty damn simple to make a feature film of that size...
So what if it's big? Disney still may have infringed the copyrights on Nadia and Kimba by creating a derivative work. Barring fair use (which is pretty much ruled out in commercial derivatives of fictional works except for parodies), United States copyright law considers creating a substantial derivative of a copyrighted work to constitute copyright infringement no matter how much original material was added.
"Rip Mix Burn," indeed.
Will I retire or break 10K?
I think the Fredric Brown example is purely academic, basically, "in case of emergency Fair Use Anecdote, break glass!" Because really, what's the royalty value on that?
Bottom line, there are no set protections for Fair Use, but now there are set protections against circumventing copy protected materials. So the DMCA's rule of law trumps previously held, but seldom tested, right of fair use.
RIAA basically scooped up finger-fulls of vaseline, and slipped it in the back way. Which is, to me at least, appalling. As is Eisner sitting up there equating [to Congress] ripping, mixing, and burning, with breaking the law. It isn't!
Unless you happen to be ripping MORE MUSIC FROM THE [copy protected] FAST AND THE FURIOUS...
What happens when I take a local band's CD that THEY recorded( hell, I helped them ) and use an Apple computer to "Rip, Burn, Mix" it? According to Disney, is that illegal?
I don't see how a computer can equate to theft, just as a gun cannot equate to killing someone or something, just as a car cannot lead to ramming it through the local Taco Bell, just as owning a pair of rip off pants( the ones w/ the buttons down the sides ) leads to indecent exposure.
I guess what Disney doesn't understand is that the problem isn't the physical hardware, it's not the G4 or the SuperDrives fault someone ripped music and then opened a Gnutella client and allowed anyone to download it. It's the PEOPLE's. People are the problem, lets make them illegal!( considering that in some countries have almost done it ). From now on, no one is allowed to give birth; unless the parents agree to sign a contract saying that if their child commits, or thinks about committing, a crime they will instantly kill their child, no questions asked. As a further protection from the suits, no music shall be allowed to be created unless the "content provider" is part of the RIAA( again punishable by death, and of the RIAA will hike up new members dues ). The last part of this new law, each new baby will need to have a GPS/Indentification chip installed in their brain, if tampered with this chip will cause their head to explode, as a further measure a barcode will be permanetly tattoo'd into the back of the said child's head. Any tampering will result in a public death, something akin to chopping their body parts off, or feeding them to hungry pigs( ala Hannibal ).
"Those who are willing to trade freedom for security deserve neither freedom nor security."
-BENJAMIN FRANKLIN
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Hey, nice theme on slashdot when you respond to an apple category. Avoid the word 'aqua' anywhere and you'll be okay.
SHIT, I just said the word!
But anyway... Picture this in your head, a bunch of grade school kids fighting like little idiots (read: various corporations). He hit me first! Wahh! Mommy! This is what I think of when I hear things like this.
Let them go after Apple. I hope it becomes highly visible. They can probably get all the lawyers they need, because remember MS in part owns their asses.
Friggin morons.
-- Note: If you don't agree with me, don't bother replying. I won't read it.
OK, I buy a CD from a used CD store. I keep it a year and then get bored with it. I bring it back to the used CD store and hand it to the tatooed and multi-pierced clerk behind the counter and he hands me a few dollars.
I then buy another used CD from that store and bring it home and play it. After a year or so, I bring it back to the used CD store and sell it back to them.
I have obtained the intellectual property of musicians and music companies and they haven't gotten a single cent in royalties.
Since these used CDs are not generating revenue for the musicians and music companies, isn't this somehow akin to pirating their IP, in the eyes of the musicians and music companies?
And what if I rip tracks from these used CDs? Am I twice guilty of IP theft?
Really, I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely curious about the status of used CDs and all this IP & piracy folderol we're hearing from the RIAA, et al.
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telling a room of police officers, "I didn't want all those people to die" when questioned in an arson case. That statement is not an admission of guilt, but words will always be twisted to suit someone's purpose. It's called being an @$$h01e drunk on power.
There is no legal problem.
The problem for them is that it is another area they want to get a slice of the action, even when there ISN'T any action.
The solution? Legeslate it. Boom, action, Boom take their slice, Boom, you are fucked.
Again.
-- Note: If you don't agree with me, don't bother replying. I won't read it.
If all of the digital content maniac corporations get EVERYTHING they want, and can extract a price for each "read" of each digit in their digital content, will the world really be so much worse off?
Fact is that the digital content is only valuable when it becomes an analog signal, and a damn high quality analog signal at that. Since THAT output is always available for being redigitized (they can't outlaw digital recording, we presume!) the worst case scenario for media content is that stuff isn't available at the same high quality level once you rip it... but it can be available by definition at the highest quality level that you are able to experience it with your ears and eyes....
So the point is.... well you see the point? No matter what they do, you just need one person to pay the digital fee, and then you've got an almost as good digital copy for the world... since "good" is ultimately an analog/experiential construct.... that can be recorded, digitized and transferred for additinal experiencing by the world.
I have a store and I sell knives.
People can "create murder" with them...
This is really stupid.
"Walt Disney's Peter Pan".
No, J.M. Barrie's "Peter Pan".
"Walt Disney's Winnie the Pooh".
No, A.A. Milne's "Winnie the Pooh".
That Atlantis movie was a rip off of an anime.
Just to clarify, I'm not advocating stealing people's content, stuff they support their famillies by making.
I'm commenting on the inherently analog nature of content delivery to the human eye and human ear, particularly if we are talking about linear media, ie. music recordings and videos.... continuous streams of analog data. This analog reality means that to "sell" is more or less indistinguishable from "to reveal".... and once you have revealed... of course you can't prevent copying, no matter how many laws you put in place, unless you are willing to go with a truly draconian IP regime.
Granted, with software or DVDs with branch points there are other issues.
- I can take my gun to the shooting range and practice. That makes me a hobbyist.
- I can take my gun into the parking lot and shoot someone. That makes me a criminal.
- I can go into the Apple Store and buy a Mac (yeah, a nice Dual G4 1GHz... *wipes drool* sorry where was I). That makes me a consumer.
- I can take my Mac home and pop in a CD to listen to, as well as rip that CD to MP3s and even take my favorate songs from that CD and others for use in my car. That makes me a hobbyist.
- I can also burn that mix 1,000 times and sell it unlicensed on the black market while paying no royalties to the record label or artist. That makes me a criminal.
The logic behind most corporations management of IP assets gives me a siezure if I think about it too hard. If seems that most common sense has gone out the window when it comes to tech. issues. The problem is that money is as addictive as cigarettes and those who are addicted are already swiming in it. Therefore they have the resources to buy off elected officials and get restricted laws passed. And let's not pretend for one second i'm being "unconstitutional" or "anti-american" by suggesting our politicians take kickbacks, either.
The real unconstitutionality here is that those corporations that already make enough to feed all the hungry nations of the world and don't, (yes that's you Disney, you sweatshop fucks) simply try to bleed us dry as well, as if the ultimate goal for them is to have ALL the money in the entire world. Fellas, that's not how the game is played, get your head out of your ass before you ruin every aspect of our lives.
If you made quality products, piracy or not quantity wouldn't be a problem. Stop screaming bloody murder for the protection of IP that isn't even worth protecting.
CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
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It's one thing if they want to shut down P2P filesharing that make piracy appealing to your average Joe. Those services (I feel) have substantial non-infringing uses and are one of the best ways to get exposure to new music, but they do faccilitate piracy.
It's another thing that they seem to be trying to villify ripping music off cds you own, and mixing and burning that music on to other cds for personal use. My lord, isn't this is the very definition of fair use?
It's suddenly unacceptable to do anything but listen to music on the media it's published on and it's wrong to faccilitate fair use with any of the technologies that people want.
Just sickening.
Michael Andretti is not responsible for the way I drive my car. People will pirate music whether they're using a Mac or not. Silliness I tells ya!
It looks like I'll be buying a pc from a retailor that won't cave to the Security Systems Standards and Certification Act (SSSCA). I don't advocate theft, but I do have many MP3's on my HD, and if I like what I hear, I go out and buy the CD
How's this for starters? Somebody should hook Apple up with Xybernaut's attourneys...
You're using her as bait, Master!
Look, i actually agree that file sharing of music
and movies that you haven't payed for is not fair
use, and will in fact endanger it.
The techies should come up with a way that you can
make a few copies for fair use of content you payed
for, and not be able to fileshare it over the net.
I don't have a clue how.
Maybe so it can only be copied 3X.
This would limit the spread.
Devil in the deatails.
If this compormise system went into widespread use, the arses that are Big Content might have
no choice but to go with it.
By insisting on the right to illegally fileshare
techie;s are making it easy for the bastards to
move in and refashion the industry to suit it's
needs.
But this is what's really bugging me.
I am real tired of the greedy bastards
that are the music and movie,tv, industry wanting
the computer industry to remake itself in their image.
Put out content that can't be copied.
don't ask othters to do it for you.
My personal opinion is that things will start to get better as the younger generations replace the older. Hopefully more reasonable laws will result, of course they probably won't be beneficial to the new younger generation...
I'm the big fish in the big pond bitch.
some big children are not ready for the fact that their lolipops are taken away for them, the well is dry - there techniques that the music/move industry was using to maximize the money they are leeching from the public dont work in today world, social rules have changed, today its all about free things.
/. and post useless posts about their extremely important opinions will find themselves in believing in something that will be too late to change, they could bring more use by lobbying somewhere and making protests infront of the media against the leeches.
The public is not the same ignorant dummies that it used to be during the 80-90, the whole world is connected, and people talk with each other.
There is power in the people, there is noone that controls this power - the people can make a difference. Someone should come and say "That's enough, no more money for you, go find some other way to make a living, WE wont pay for your music and movies anymore!". And people should gather together and change how the system works.
If 100'000 people will come to court and protest against the RIAA/Disney/MPAA when they do their moroonic attempts to use their power by bending the law to make themselves richer, those 100'000 people can make a change.
There is offcourse the problem that most of the people who believe that RIAA/MPAA are leeches, are also lazy and will never get their asses of their comfy chairs, but there must be atleast some people amougst the billions that can pick up their asses and go kick some leech ass as it tries to leech harder.
A slashdot effect on each courtroom and congress meeting that discusses more limitations, more depriving of freedom and intruding privacy of the people can make this nonsense stop within a short amount of time. All the trolls that sit here on
It is prety clear to everyone that the leeches will fail in their quest to hold on and suck more blood of our dry veins, but except creating more reasons for the leeches to show themselves, like file sharing programs for example, nothing is being done against them and for the cause of making the leeches go away. As there is no such real effort to stop them, even when believing that they will fail we will find ourselves in a world that they will control, and even though they have suceeded, we will still continue to believe that they will fail - while they continue to suck us dry.
'Resistance Is Futile. You Will Be Assimilated!'
-- Borg
I can create theft with a crowbar and some duct tape, whether or not the hardware store advertised this fact. Besides, 'Rip, Burn, and Mix' is perfectly legal. I have a tendency to be rough on CDs. Nor do I like all the songs on any given one. Its very nice to be able to create a mix copy of my favorites. Best of all, thats perfectly legal. I can do anything I want with a legally-purchased CD. I can use it for a coaster, I can use it as a frisbee, and I can use it damn near any way I choose, as long as it doesn't make me money. Its not like apple says 'Rip, Burn, and Mix (illegal music)' or anything. Sheesh, gimme a break.
What could possibly hurt the security of the American people more than giving our own government the ability to hide its
IANAL, of course . . .
/not/ have a right to copy it indiscriminately, resell it commercially (you can sell your copy, but you can't make lots of copies and sell them), or do things like pass it off as your own work. Those rights are controlled by the copyright owner.
/not/ control anything outside those rights - if you sell your copyrighted work to someone, they own that copy and can do what they like with it, including listening to it. The MPAA and RIAA are busy trying to gain control of things that copyright law doesn't allow them: that's why so many people are pissed off at them.
You have a right to listen to the stuff on the CD because you own your copy of the contents: you bought it, and that gives you the right to listen to it.
You do
That's the idea of copyright: you get to control many of the rights of copying that are available. But you do
himi
My very own DeCSS mirror.
Fjord of the rings?
As Pinky said "Fjord!"
... all that threatens Disney's right to eternal existence must be elimimated:
...
- time
- technology
- art
- people drawing pictures of mice
Nuclear weapons are specifically designed to do illegal things (ie, killing people and destroying property).
/do/ have a legitimate use, but it's still a special case of an illegal act: picking a lock you happen to own).
/is/ - it's far more useful to outlaw the act of using a crowbar in a crime than to outlaw all uses of a crowbar.
/useful/ for controlling the actions you want to control? It's a matter of compromising between what you want to control and what you /can/ control, and what it's worth trying to control. There are some good rules of thumb available to guide those decisions - the one about a known legal use dominating a potential illegal use is a good example.
Lockpicks are specifically designed to illegal things (ie, picking locks - they
Ripping music to some portable digital form like mp3 files is designed to give you a portable copy of some piece of music - this is perfectly legal. It only becomes illegal when that piece of music isn't owned by you, or when you don't have the right to legally copy it.
See the difference? Your two cases are specifically designed to perform illegal acts - any possible legal uses for them are such a small percentage of the actual uses that they make no difference. The case of ripping music has a very big and extremely significant legal use.
When the legal use dominates the illegal use, you should look at controling the actions rather than the tools. That's why crowbars aren't illegal, but using them in a theft
This is one of those decisions that goes on all the time in legal systems: how do you make your laws
As a side note, it should be noted that when you find yourself dealing with an unenforceable law, you've almost certainly got that compromise wrong, and should go back to the drawing board and start again. The problems with drug prohibition are a perfect example of this, and the current copyright issues look to be another example.
himi
My very own DeCSS mirror.
. . . are almost inevitably /bad/ laws.
/Think/ about what it means, and then support it or not based on what it /means/, not what it is.
What good is a law if all it does is make common usage a crime? You end up with a population made up of criminals, with all that entails.
Good laws simply codify what a society already does, so that serious transgressions can be handled consistently. If a society changes, then the laws should change to reflect that. Anything else is a short fast trip towards insanity.
Don't deify something simply because it's been written down officially.
himi
My very own DeCSS mirror.
Hmm. could it be that Steve Jobs put Eisner up to this to boost Mac sales?
Since you can now be a pirate on a Mac, there's no more reason not to buy one!
That is a blatant misreading of my argument, and if you don't realise that then you lack the intelligence to hold a reasonable discussion.
Murders happen, but they've
If you actually take a look at the history of most laws you'll see that they tend to come long after whatever it is they regulate began to occur. Certainly most of the good laws are like that - the ones that were developed
As for copyright's history, that's all well and good, but if it has little relevance
Yes, copyright had, and probably still has, a sound basis, but if copyright laws end up making most of the population criminals, then there's almost certainly something wrong with them.
himi
My very own DeCSS mirror.
omg that was soooo funny.
that should be modded to a 6.
holy shit my stomach still hurts from laughing.
wonderful, splendid......perfect
Sir:
Your attitude that ALL consumers and Apple consumers in particular are thieves that your poor little company needs protected from is so far from reality that I can only assume that you have gone insane.
I, however, am of sound mind and body and will show you my response to your simplistic statements by boycotting Disney, all of it's brands, and any company that has anything to do with the MPAA or the RIAA (even Pixar needs to find a different distribution approach). I have cancelled our reservations at Disney World for this summer and have removed all Disney movies/toys from the hands of my children.
I haven't bought a new CD since they closed down Napster and probably won't buy any for a very very long time.
I've also started creating my own movies (iMovie) using my kids as the actors and plan to burn and distribute them freely to my friends and relatives. Learning to play an instrument and enjoying my own music is also on my near future agenda. Maybe I'll even start a family band and we'll update some of that nearly forgotten "old timey music" that is already in the public domain.
This, of course, will leave my family little time to indulge in whatever bland products the commercial entertainment industry has to offer as well as increasing our own talents instead of simply increasing YOUR personal wealth.
Now, I realize that my "one man" refusal to buy anymore of your overpriced products won't have very much of an influence on you or your hostile attitude toward the people who provide the money to pay your salary, but then Rosa Parks didn't expect her act of defiance to spread either. Her local bus company learned otherwise.
One last thought... the guy who started your company will always be thought of as "Uncle Walt". You on the other hand will always be thought of as Mr. Eisner, the man who turned "Uncle Walt's" dream into an un-American and greedy nightmare.
Mr. Average
Ohio
uncontested by the RIAA that sharing tapes of copyrighted material isn't objectionable. I would suspect that they don't feel it cuts into their profits, and probably encourages people to but their own copies... Thus, it seems somewhat hypocritical to then claim that ripping disks from friends is HORRIBLE, sa least from the position of the RIAA
I don't see an unwarranted double standard. Each generation of an analog copy adds some noise. Each generation of a digital copy adds no noise. Mastering (dithering of 20-bit to 16-bit PCM, or compression to 192 kbps MP3 format) adds a small amount of noise, but that doesn't increase per copy generation, leading to spreading of a work on a logistic pattern (that is, exponential growth with a plateau) as it is copied from machine to machine. This explains why the copyright industry has been tougher on digital technology than on analog technology.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Windows is easy to break:
main(){while(printf("\t\b\b\b"));}
Instant BSOD on all NT operating systems.
Will I retire or break 10K?
This seems to be analogous to accusing a car maker of building a machine that can be used to kill people or used to transport drugs across state lines... etc.
It's a little scary how, when someone gives us a tool to do something productive, they may be accuse of building something "dangerous". This sort of attitude could really parallize creative people from building useful things. Hopefully reason will prevail in this case.
[Broadband commercial:] "I want to download the top 40... while it's still the top 40!"
Napkin calculation: On average, it takes well under five hours to download ten songs at high quality (192 kbps MP3) over a dial-up connection, assuming two concurrent downloads plus light web browsing. Thus, four 5-hour sessions should fetch the first week's Top 40, and assuming 10 songs are replaced each week, a pirate needs only one session of Slashdot-reloading to incrementally update the playlist. Who needs cable?
I've always taken that to be telling me that I should buy a cable modem to pirate music faster.
Or to download Universal's MP3.com top 40. Or to download from eMusic, which has licensed MP3 distribution rights from some of the major labels.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Well the kids at Disney, seemingly responsible for spreading joy and happiness all over the world with their playful films and songs, are having a fingerpointing campaign, Apple crosshaired. It seems to me that being able to "rip" usually entails at least owning the CD. Of course you could always borrow someone else's CD. Looks like Plextor is next in line after Disney finds out about iDVD. Oh lord.
Apple just won the first Grammy awarded to a PC manufacturer. One of the main reasons being that iTunes and iPod do not encourage music piracy.
Hmm... ironic that a man who is notoriously bad at sharing profits with talent both past and present has a bone to pick with the idea of royalties not getting to those who deserve it. Perhaps he should go talk to some of the original animators of some of the Disney classics who were working hard to make Disney a legendary force in animation before Eisner was even born. Maybe they could remind him that he was the one who decided that Disney didn't need to share the profits of the video releases of those classics because their contracts didn't include video tape releases (duh... didn't these guys know back in 1940s...? Ahem.) Maybe he could talk to Robin Williams who refused to do the voice of the genie in the sequel to Aladdin because he was fucked over by Disney. Maybe he could talk to the countless animators who have left Disney because they can barely get by on the pittance... er, paycheck they are given.
Yeah, I love how these corporate guys don't seem to get these ethical issues until they are the ones who are getting screwed. Then suddenly stealing from those who deserve the royalties is just plain wrong and bad... and shame on any of you for even thinking about doing it.
Your kid can still watch Pinocchio, Pinocchio, Pinocchio 2, or The Lion King. Too bad Atlantis hasn't been dubbed yet. Also boycott Sonny and Cher because of the Bono Act that they both supported and that Di$ney helped push through.
Will I retire or break 10K?
hehe guess we are thinking different :)
"When freedom is outlawed, only outlaws will be free.."
Think about it!
"F--k Mickey Mouse! F--k him in the a--hole with a big rubber di-k. Then break it off and beat him to death with the rest of it!" - George Carlin Thanks for the free publicity, Eisner!
-- Once you go Mac, you'll never go back.
About Mike Eisner?
I think he'd fire him. I like Apple. I like Disney.
Michael Eisner, go rip, mix and burn this . Then go piss up a flagpole.
Geeks probably don't know this, but in the mainstream, there has been confusion (deliberate?) over the word "rip." I have seen it used on TV (some guy on "Politically Incorrect") and in a recent article from someone at ??AA (might have been the Valenti letter?) where the verb "to rip" was used to refer to downloading.
Depending on where you fall in the spectrum of attributing things to malice vs stupidity, it's either tragic ignorance, or a very dirty trick to make "ripping" into something bad.
You might want to keep this in mind when discussing with non-geeks, to make sure they know what is being discussed.
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
Fair use is a defense, not a right.
This means that the courts have stated that fair use of copyrighted material is legal. The RIAA/MPAA/etc can't sic the law on you for making fair use.
But if you are prevented from making fair use of copyrighted material by the RIAA/MPAA/etc, then you have no legal case at all!
Just because something is "legal" doesn't mean that you have a "right" to it. For example, owning $10 billion and a 500 Lear jets is legal.
http://adbusters.org/campaigns/flag/nyc/ fun latest incedent
...that the failure of the Disney film "Something Wicked This Way Comes" brought about the rise of Michael Eisner as company head? Coincidence or a big-time case of foreshadowing?
Blog Prophyts - Right On, Man
Me personally, I do not buy less cd's because I can download them from the net, because since the rise of mp3 I'm much more occupied with music and thus buy more cd's as well.
What really puts me off at buying cd's is the constant moaning and threat and suing of piracy by the big cd labels. Their greed and selfishness really pisses me off. The more because they are selling content that they havent created themselves. Sometimes if I read the latest article on the subject I really consider finding myself another hobby, allthough I am a musician myself. (one that doesnt mind spreading his music across the net, I even encourage it)
I think the whole music industry is becoming way too much top loaded. The labels think they can just do everything because they got money (our money!) and can afford the lawyers.
Remember what happened to the Mayan priests and kings? In the end they too became too top loaded, and the people got annoyed by them so much they just rejected them.
The big labels, like the Mayan kings, can not exist without us. They need our money because its their business. I hope for them they are wise enough to not piss us all off too much. They allready have done damage to themselves, I hope that they realise that the knife they are holding really is on their own throats.
my $0.02...
/x4
Apple couldn't afford this kind of publicity!
Uh - hang on....
Maybe they'll get lucky and Disney'll start an iMac control lobby.
disney is the outfit that dreamt up classics like cinderella 2 and peter pan 2 (wtf?). surely these people don't publish any music that i might ever want to listen to or inspires others to go on a pirating rampage?
Don't get me wrong!
Why is Disney concerning itself with stealing it's copywrited property if Disney itself has been stealing other copywrited material for years now?
Need I point out the Simba/Kimba connection?
Yeah, create this ad entirely with iMovie and "pirated" clips from CNN, CSPAN, and other news organizations.
In recent commercials for various Disney animated movies the announcer punctuates the ad by stating "Own it on DVD today". Wouldn't this be considered false advertizing since Disney is saying through other channels that you don't own digital media, and have no rights to modify, rip, redistribute ......
Oh... actually I was directing that at a bunch of people. I didn't make that very clear though, I'm sorry. I mixed my response to yours with a response to a bunch of people running up to try to milk funny points from what I said hehe.
It did bring up an interesting point though about context. What you said made me understand my values about freedom of expression. It really felt, to me, that it was unfair of Finland to ban Donald Duck for that reason. It also offended me that Eisner (Disney) said that Apple was promoting thievery. What if I were sued for making a Disney parody because it 'promotes not giving Disney money?'. I realize that Eisner's comments aren't part of a lawsuit, but imagine if it was? Parodies are protected today, but what if the victim of a parody can prove they lost money from it?
What you said about Finland made me think. Thank you!
"Derp de derp."
Andersen, Grimm and Grimm tell committee to ban animated motion picture technology
Washington, D.C. -- Advanced technology capable of creating colorful visual representations of the most far-fetched stories threatens the children of this planet -- as well as those who write stories from them, a Congressional committee heard today.
Appearing before the Senate Committee on Fanciful Narratives, representatives of the law firm Andersen, Grimm and Grimm said that so-called "animated motion pictures" -- sometimes called "cartoons" -- destroy children's ability to use their imaginations.
"The animation industry appropriates fine classic folk stories, such as those written by our clients," said spokesperson H.C. Anderson.
"But rather than respecting the original vision of the content creator, these 'film studios' impose saccharine, market-driven endings designed to wring the most possible money from children and their long-suffering parents."
Departing from his prepared text, Andersen cited an adaptation of his own The Little Mermaid, and grew noticeably distraught.
"They gave her this lame-ass name, 'Ariel,' and then at the end of it, she lives! What gives? Too many kids in the focus groups actually had to consider the meaning of self-sacrifice? They were afraid it would drive down repeat video rentals?"
Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm echoed Andersen's comments. "Don't even ask us what they did to Cinderella," muttered Jacob.
"And Sleeping Beauty. What was it with those dwarves' names?" asked Wilhelm.
The trio said an even greater risk was the destruction of children's imaginations.
"With saturation marketing, studios use movies impose one bland image in children's minds where hundreds or thousands might have once flourished in response to reading," Andersen said.
He singled out Disney as the worst offender. "Millions of children might once have seen themselves as The Brave Little Tailor. Now they see only Mickey," he said.
"Their slogan -- 'The Happiest Place on Earth' -- sends a clear message. The joy you once found in your own imagination, you now can find only within the bounds of Disneyland."
If you need even more, there are digital cameras out there that can record much more.
I noticed in the manual that the camera has some internal memory, besides the CF card. My suspicion is that the reason you can't fill the CF card with a single movie is that the CF card's write speed is too slow to write out all that data as fast as (or faster than) it is recorded. I've also noticed that when the camera is doing I/O with the CF card it doesn't do anything else (ie, it displays the 'busy' screen), so it might instead be an exclusivity problem -- the CPU has to devote its attention entirely to CF I/O until that's done with, and doesn't have to do that with the internal memory.
Anyone have any insights as to what the bottleneck is in these cameras' memory systems?
The only way the typical /.er can pick up a chick is with a forklift. -- AC
This from the company that brings the same movie out on tape and DVD every other year and creates artificial demand by saying they are never going to release it again...if greed had a face, it would be Eisner's.
I hope this story illustrates that you should never smoke crack. Thank You.
--"It's Bradford Company, slash your last name, dot your first name"
Launch all mouse for great justice!!!
More proof that the digital divide has little to do with wealth and everything to do with cluefulness.
Eisner is arguing in front of a bunch of clueless politicians who just want his next campaign donation.
Just look at the whole copyright extension bonanza Eisner wrangled a couple of years ago when ol' Mickey was about to go public domain.
Face it: Congress is just an old she-bitch simpering for the next belly-scratch from her corporate masters.