Premission to use, copy, modify and distribute this software and its documentation is hereby granted for non-comerical purposes" That is
hardly a BSD-style license.
I just downloaded cyrus-imap-2.0.12 and cyrus-sasl-1.5.24. Neither license says that. In fact, no file in the cyrus-sasl archive even contains the string "commercial".
Where exactly did you get that quote from? My guess is that you just pulled it out of your butt.
CMU's unwilling to use a BSD-style license? Really?
Funny, when I worked there my lab released a big chunk of code under a BSD license, and the Cyrus IMAP server and Cyrus SASL library both appear to be released under a BSD license.
Also, you do realize that this project is still in the experimental phase, right? Academic research doesn't have the same release model as open source software -- the goals and constraints are very different. In the open source world, someone else grabbing your code and running with it is great; you've contributed to the community, and people are doing useful things. In the academic research world, that can easily mean that someone else publishes before you do, and you've just spent a lot of time and funding with nothing to show for it. Oops.
The same goes for the IETF comment -- taking things to the IETF too early is a waste of everybody's time. It's better to try something out and see if it works before trying to standardize it. Not everything is best hashed out completely in committees and over mailing lists.
I would suggest that you give this project time to develop before trashing it for not being finished the way you'd like it to be, but I do realize that doing so would violate the Slashdot 'gimme gimme, I want it MY way!' ethic.
1886491672 Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.3 i686) Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks. You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com If you want to retry. If you want to know more.
What exactly does this mean? Does FreeBSD have actual kernel support for userland threads now?
For example, can I write a multithreaded application and have the whole thing not block when one thread blocks on IO? I'd love that; it's what's keeping me from getting NASD running on FreeBSD now.
Ah. So when you say "kerberos for UNIX is kludgy", you really mean "the UNIX version of the stuff we have bolted on to the side of kerberos is kludgy" and not "kerberos for UNIX is kludgy".
What do you mean by "listens for callbacks on port on the client"? What does sidecar do? It's really not clear from your explanation.
I have an Adesso MCK-108P, which is a nice split keyboard with a trackpoint in the middle. Having the pointer on the keyboard is great -- you don't have to reach much at all for the mouse. They also make models with built-in trackpoints or no pointer if you really prefer. I'd definitely check them out -- they make good keyboards, and don't charge too much.
As far as window managers go, when I last used fvwm2 a while ago, I was able to bind keystrokes to do actual mouse movements. This might help with those focusing problems you mention -- while I certainly wouldn't want to use a keyboard-controlled pointer for a lot, simple things like switching focus shouldn't be too bad.
Unfortunately, you'll probably never be able to entirely say goodbye to the mouse. But, with a decent keyboard and pointer combo, you can make it a bit less painful. My hands started hurting a lot less when I switched to the Adesso.
The slow price turnover is another big downside for Apple -- if I want to buy a computer, I want to buy it when it's convenient for me, not at some mystical convenient-for-Apple time.
Why shouldn't Mac prices change as quickly as PC prices? After all, isn't Apple trying to compete?
Okay, look at laptops. For about $2200, Sony will sell me a nice 366MHz Vaio with 64MB of memory, a 6GB disk, a 14" screen, a DVD drive, firewire, and a built-in modem. To get a laptop like that from Apple, you'll need to spend about $3000. Sure, the Vaio doesn't have built-in ethernet, but a pcmcia ether card is maybe $100.
So there you have two nicely engineered, packaged solutions. The Apple solution is at least $700 more expensive. It's really a shame; I like the new Powerbooks, but there's no way I'm going to pay a $700 premium to own one.
Looks like you have a different whois client than the redhat-style fwhois. You might want to read the manpage for it. I hear documentation's pretty helpful in figuring out how to use software.
Hmm. I'm sort of surprised to see that Peter Braam's mentioned as the head of the Coda project. I bet Satya's even more surprised, though. See, he's actually the head of the Coda group. It wouldn't have been hard for ZDnet to figure this out; it says so right on the Coda group's web page.
I've been seeing mentions of Braam as "head of the Coda project" and "the man who created Coda" a lot recently, and it's starting to get annoying. Does nobody do any fact checking anymore?
Hmm. When you say that clients use the local filesystem as a cache, what exactly do you mean? An AFS-style cache of file chunks living in the filesystem, a mirror of the server's block structure, or something else? Do you do partial-file caching, or will I have to slurp down an entire file from the server even if I only want a small chunk?
Also, how are you handling namespaces? Are you going the AFS/Echo route and putting together a global namespace, or going the NFS route and punting on the whole thing?
Transarc's AFS 3.5 includes both a Linux server and client. I'm using it right now, in fact.
Before the 3.5 release, the AFS clients and servers for Linux were a third-party effort by AFS licensees at MIT and CMU. Now, the third-party client is still in use for Linux 2.0 machines, and 2.2 machines can use the official Transarc client.
Also, Transarc is "in control" of AFS, and is owned by IBM. And, yes, for a while Transarc/IBM had no interest in pushing AFS -- they wanted their AFS customers to move over to DFS. Unfortunately for them, very few people wanted to use DFS. The AFS support issue is getting better now, though. IBM seems to be realizing that it really should give its customers what they want.
There's almost no twiddling required -- the PC version of the Infocom games tend to have an interpreter and a.dat file for each game. The.dat file is the z-code for the game; just feed it to your favorite interpreter and it'll work fine.
I think you mean 'Spider and Web'. And yeah, it's a great game.
There are several mirrors of the ftp.gmd.de archive in the US -- you might try http://ifarchive.org for a nice web-based mirror.
Also, there are a variety of review sites for IF to help you choose a game you'd like. My favorite is Baf's Guide, which has nice capsule reviews and good subject indexes.
It's not just them -- pretty much all of the Interactive Fiction community cares a lot about cross-platform compatibility. It may be a small community, but the people in it use a freakishly large range of systems. Because of this, most of the IF developments systems use specialized languages that compile to platform-independent bytecode.
The most well-known of these is Inform, a language written to produce bytecode for the Z-Machine, which is the virtual machine that Infocom used for their classic adventures. So, if there's a z-code interpreter available for your machine (which there almost certainly is), you can play all of the old Infocom games and most of the new Interactive Fiction games with it. Inform has some bitmap graphics capability, but few games use it -- most of the ones that do were written by Infocom (Zork Zero, Shogun, Arthur, and Journey).
There's also TADS, the Text Adventure Development System, which is somewhat similar to Inform but not as well known. This might be because it used to be shareware. TADS interpreters are also available on a wide range of systems, but not all of the interpreters handle all of the fancy new TADS features, like styled text, sound, and graphics. HUGO, the system mentioned here, is generally thought of as the third of the big three IF languages -- it's not quite as popular and not quite as ported. It's still a good language, though, and it's great to finally see a Linux port of the environment.
Wrong. The first amendment does not guarantee any right to say whatever you want, and it never has.
All the first amendment covers is what powers Congress has to limit speech and religion. It says nothing about what Rob Malda or any other private citizen can do.
Remember, laws do not give citizens rights; they simply establish what powers the government has. Even the constitutional amendments that discuss rights always discuss them in terms of whether or not the government has the power to limit those rights. The government can not grant rights, it can only limit them.
Why are all these painters calling their products art now? It's paint and canvas last time I checked.
Sure, the components are freeware. But some of that freeware was written by Redhat, and even for all the parts that weren't, there is a good amount of effort involved in putting everything together and trying to make sure it works.
Wrong. I don't buy your "there's only one logical answer" claim. How do you know that a customer didn't complain to Amazon? Or that someone at Amazon didn't just happen to notice your product and think it might be a problem? Or that someone browsing the auction site didn't complain? You don't, do you?
Instead, you start screaming about how you're being oppressed by Red Hat. You post alarmist messages, spam discussion groups with the same posting over and over again, and bombarb people with your shrill "but I AM offering a good deal!" whining. These are not the tactics of an honest businessman. These are the actions of a sleazy scam artist who's afraid that his source of cash will dry up.
And as far as your condescending "read the letter" bit goes: I _did_ read it, thank you very much. I wasn't convinced that Red Hat ordered this to happen, and it seems that lots of other folks weren't either. This doesn't make us idiots, and it doesn't mean we don't have any common sense. Insulting people is not the way to bring them around to your way of thinking.
Right now it's your word against Red Hat's. You say you talked to them, they say you didn't. Some people here happen to believe Red Hat instead of believing you. That's a perfectly reasonable choice; in the absence of real evidence, they have little to go on other than reputation. Red Hat's been in the community for years. They pay hackers to do nothing but contribute to Linux. What do you do, other than push somewhat deceptively marketed products on people with vague promises of support? What have you given back to the Linux community?
This is what, the fifth time you've posted this letter? Calm down already.
I'm sure everybody saw it the first time; there's no need to spam everyone with it.
Also, most of the posts you've been responding to have been asking for proof from _Red Hat_, not from Amazon. A letter from Amazon is not the same thing as confirmation from Red Hat, no matter how many times you post it.
I think part of the confusion is that most people don't realize that "beg" has a meaning other than "ask for". It can also mean to evade or sidestep. That's the usage in "to beg the question" -- "begging the question" means "avoiding the matter at hand", not "asking for a different question".
Slashdot Mirror
I see.
I just downloaded cyrus-imap-2.0.12 and cyrus-sasl-1.5.24. Neither license says that. In fact, no file in the cyrus-sasl archive even contains the string "commercial".
Where exactly did you get that quote from? My guess is that you just pulled it out of your butt.
CMU's unwilling to use a BSD-style license? Really?
Funny, when I worked there my lab released a big chunk of code under a BSD license, and the Cyrus IMAP server and Cyrus SASL library both appear to be released under a BSD license.
Also, you do realize that this project is still in the experimental phase, right? Academic research doesn't have the same release model as open source software -- the goals and constraints are very different. In the open source world, someone else grabbing your code and running with it is great; you've contributed to the community, and people are doing useful things. In the academic research world, that can easily mean that someone else publishes before you do, and you've just spent a lot of time and funding with nothing to show for it. Oops.
The same goes for the IETF comment -- taking things to the IETF too early is a waste of everybody's time. It's better to try something out and see if it works before trying to standardize it. Not everything is best hashed out completely in committees and over mailing lists.
I would suggest that you give this project time to develop before trashing it for not being finished the way you'd like it to be, but I do realize that doing so would violate the Slashdot 'gimme gimme, I want it MY way!' ethic.
1886491672
Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.3 i686)
Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
If you want to retry.
If you want to know more.
What exactly does this mean? Does FreeBSD have actual kernel support for userland threads now?
For example, can I write a multithreaded application and have the whole thing not block when one thread blocks on IO? I'd love that; it's what's keeping me from getting NASD running on FreeBSD now.
Ah. So when you say "kerberos for UNIX is kludgy", you really mean "the UNIX version of the stuff we have bolted on to the side of kerberos is kludgy" and not "kerberos for UNIX is kludgy".
What do you mean by "listens for callbacks on port on the client"? What does sidecar do? It's really not clear from your explanation.
Er, what? Only kludgy kerberos implementations for Unix? Are we talking about the same kerberos network security package here?
Look into KTH-Kerberos. It's very nice, and *definitely* not kludgy.
As far as window managers go, when I last used fvwm2 a while ago, I was able to bind keystrokes to do actual mouse movements. This might help with those focusing problems you mention -- while I certainly wouldn't want to use a keyboard-controlled pointer for a lot, simple things like switching focus shouldn't be too bad.
Unfortunately, you'll probably never be able to entirely say goodbye to the mouse. But, with a decent keyboard and pointer combo, you can make it a bit less painful. My hands started hurting a lot less when I switched to the Adesso.
The slow price turnover is another big downside for Apple -- if I want to buy a computer, I want to buy it when it's convenient for me, not at some mystical convenient-for-Apple time.
Why shouldn't Mac prices change as quickly as PC prices? After all, isn't Apple trying to compete?
Okay, look at laptops. For about $2200, Sony will sell me a nice 366MHz Vaio with 64MB of memory, a 6GB disk, a 14" screen, a DVD drive, firewire, and a built-in modem. To get a laptop like that from Apple, you'll need to spend about $3000. Sure, the Vaio doesn't have built-in ethernet, but a pcmcia ether card is maybe $100.
So there you have two nicely engineered, packaged solutions. The Apple solution is at least $700 more expensive. It's really a shame; I like the new Powerbooks, but there's no way I'm going to pay a $700 premium to own one.
> fwhois pantheras.org@whois.networksolutions.com
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Looks like you have a different whois client than the redhat-style fwhois. You might want to read the manpage for it. I hear documentation's pretty helpful in figuring out how to use software.
Hmm. I'm sort of surprised to see that Peter Braam's mentioned as the head of the Coda project. I bet Satya's even more surprised, though. See, he's actually the head of the Coda group. It wouldn't have been hard for ZDnet to figure this out; it says so right on the Coda group's web page.
I've been seeing mentions of Braam as "head of the Coda project" and "the man who created Coda" a lot recently, and it's starting to get annoying. Does nobody do any fact checking anymore?
Hmm. When you say that clients use the local filesystem as a cache, what exactly do you mean? An AFS-style cache of file chunks living in the filesystem, a mirror of the server's block structure, or something else? Do you do partial-file caching, or will I have to slurp down an entire file from the server even if I only want a small chunk?
Also, how are you handling namespaces? Are you going the AFS/Echo route and putting together a global namespace, or going the NFS route and punting on the whole thing?
Not really. My desktop machine runs 2.2.3, but my testbed machines run 2.2.12, and the AFS module seems to work fine on them.
Yes, there have been changes in the VFS between 2.2.3 and 2.2.12, but they don't really break binary compatibility.
The Arla server, milko, is not nearly as finished as the Arla client. I don't think it's anywhere near ready for production use.
The Arla client is quite nice, though.
Wrong.
Transarc's AFS 3.5 includes both a Linux server and client. I'm using it right now, in fact.
Before the 3.5 release, the AFS clients and servers for Linux were a third-party effort by AFS licensees at MIT and CMU. Now, the third-party client is still in use for Linux 2.0 machines, and 2.2 machines can use the official Transarc client.
Also, Transarc is "in control" of AFS, and is owned by IBM. And, yes, for a while Transarc/IBM had no interest in pushing AFS -- they wanted their AFS customers to move over to DFS. Unfortunately for them, very few people wanted to use DFS. The AFS support issue is getting better now, though. IBM seems to be realizing that it really should give its customers what they want.
There's almost no twiddling required -- the PC version of the Infocom games tend to have an interpreter and a .dat file for each game. The .dat file is the z-code for the game; just feed it to your favorite interpreter and it'll work fine.
There are several mirrors of the ftp.gmd.de archive in the US -- you might try http://ifarchive.org for a nice web-based mirror.
Also, there are a variety of review sites for IF to help you choose a game you'd like. My favorite is Baf's Guide, which has nice capsule reviews and good subject indexes.
The most well-known of these is Inform, a language written to produce bytecode for the Z-Machine, which is the virtual machine that Infocom used for their classic adventures. So, if there's a z-code interpreter available for your machine (which there almost certainly is), you can play all of the old Infocom games and most of the new Interactive Fiction games with it. Inform has some bitmap graphics capability, but few games use it -- most of the ones that do were written by Infocom (Zork Zero, Shogun, Arthur, and Journey).
There's also TADS, the Text Adventure Development System, which is somewhat similar to Inform but not as well known. This might be because it used to be shareware. TADS interpreters are also available on a wide range of systems, but not all of the interpreters handle all of the fancy new TADS features, like styled text, sound, and graphics. HUGO, the system mentioned here, is generally thought of as the third of the big three IF languages -- it's not quite as popular and not quite as ported. It's still a good language, though, and it's great to finally see a Linux port of the environment.
Wrong. The first amendment does not guarantee any right to say whatever you want, and it never has.
All the first amendment covers is what powers Congress has to limit speech and religion. It says nothing about what Rob Malda or any other private citizen can do.
Remember, laws do not give citizens rights; they simply establish what powers the government has. Even the constitutional amendments that discuss rights always discuss them in terms of whether or not the government has the power to limit those rights. The government can not grant rights, it can only limit them.
Why are all these painters calling their products art now? It's paint and canvas last time I checked.
Sure, the components are freeware. But some of that freeware was written by Redhat, and even for all the parts that weren't, there is a good amount of effort involved in putting everything together and trying to make sure it works.
Wrong. I don't buy your "there's only one logical answer" claim. How do you know that a customer didn't complain to Amazon? Or that someone at Amazon didn't just happen to notice your product and think it might be a problem? Or that someone browsing the auction site didn't complain? You don't, do you?
Instead, you start screaming about how you're being oppressed by Red Hat. You post alarmist messages, spam discussion groups with the same posting over and over again, and bombarb people with your shrill "but I AM offering a good deal!" whining. These are not the tactics of an honest businessman. These are the actions of a sleazy scam artist who's afraid that his source of cash will dry up.
And as far as your condescending "read the letter" bit goes: I _did_ read it, thank you very much. I wasn't convinced that Red Hat ordered this to happen, and it seems that lots of other folks weren't either. This doesn't make us idiots, and it doesn't mean we don't have any common sense. Insulting people is not the way to bring them around to your way of thinking.
Right now it's your word against Red Hat's. You say you talked to them, they say you didn't. Some people here happen to believe Red Hat instead of believing you. That's a perfectly reasonable choice; in the absence of real evidence, they have little to go on other than reputation. Red Hat's been in the community for years. They pay hackers to do nothing but contribute to Linux. What do you do, other than push somewhat deceptively marketed products on people with vague promises of support? What have you given back to the Linux community?
This is what, the fifth time you've posted this letter? Calm down already.
I'm sure everybody saw it the first time; there's no need to spam everyone with it.
Also, most of the posts you've been responding to have been asking for proof from _Red Hat_, not from Amazon. A letter from Amazon is not the same thing as confirmation from Red Hat, no matter how many times you post it.
Please stop.
Thanks for joining the discussion, Mr. Sands.
I think part of the confusion is that most people don't realize that "beg" has a meaning other than "ask for". It can also mean to evade or sidestep. That's the usage in "to beg the question" -- "begging the question" means "avoiding the matter at hand", not "asking for a different question".