when my energy costs are over 50% of my income, there is a problem. I used a dollar as a simple number to work with, im not saying it HAS to be 1$ or im not having anything to do with it. but I never will support artificially raising costs on ANYTHING just to make other products look better in comparison
as for your last statement, Im not only talking about me, Im talking about all the people who are living paycheck to paycheck, the people that you seem to forget when coming up with your utopia
so what do I do in your world drinky poo?? I dont live close enough to any jobs that I can work that I dont need a car, I need to eat. so should I simply quit, go on food stamps, live in government housing because hey its clean!
I never once said keep things they way they are forever, and you are being intentionally thick with your assessment. if me NEEDING a car to get to work, and food to eat is considered selfish by your standards, plain and simply you are nothing more than an asshole. Its not like we have 2 weeks to fix the world, we DO have some time and its going to take a good part of both of our lives to address. So we can either keep flinging poo at eachother (pun intended) or we can realize that as you said SOMETHING needs to be done, and at the same time work on ways to do so that allow people like me to still afford to get to work, eat and keep a roof over my head
I didnt say profitable. I said affordable. When renewables can cost the equivalent of 1$ per gallon of gas for the same energy output I will call it a sucess.
can you imagine if for example when color TVs came out and they cost double the same black and white TV if companies raised the cost of black and white TVs to the cost of color TVs rather than allowing the tech to mature and make the cost more reasonable? that would be a horrible way to do business to the consumer, sure its profitable for the company because if both cost the same, people will take the color over the B&W, but in the end it hurts everyone because people have less money to spend
I understand that a TV is not the equivalent of energy but i feel thats a good way of explaining what I see happening today
dont disagree with you one bit as an american even. But it doesnt mean I want to see the EU become the other america when it comes to telling the world what to do . I think the EU had a good goal, but I think in the end the concept of the EU is bound to fail
and this is the problem. We all want the SAME goals, we just differ in how to reach them. You want the poor to suffer now so everyone can be happy later, I want to allow the poor mobility and heat now, AND work on a sustainable future. In your view there is no middle ground to me made, its YOUR way or no way
I have to drive to get to work, I cant afford to live closer to work or I would, we are not all rich people out there, some of us dont have a choice in what we can do. Id gladly rather oil barons continue to get rich if it means I can afford to drive to work, AND eat dinner at night
im for reasonable solutions to an end goal of all renewable solutions, but I am not for increasing the costs of "bad things" in the short term to sway people to move towards more expensive options. I am for pumping money into R+D to bring down the price of renewables to the costs (and lower) that we have been paying for example 90s prices. I want the equivalent of a gallon of gas for a dollar again. and I believe that can be achieved. But I dont want to raise the cost of oil now, so that when we bring the price of renewables "only" down to 5 bucks a gallon people are happy with that.
i worded that wrongly. What I was intending to say was some of the measures some of these politicians are taking seem to be based on fear mongering rather than logic.
I would wager no scientist in their right mind would say that we need to raise taxes on oil and oil based products 100% or 50% even in the short term. I would think that most scientists would be more reasonable in the approach. We do need to get off fossil fuels, even if you dont believe in global warming but because eventually they will run out, probably not in our lifetimes but it will happen.
the rational answer is to continue funding R+D, while at the same time making the oil refining process more environmentally friendly.
it seems that some politicians want to save the world, at the expense of the people, especially the poor. just 10 years ago I could get 300 miles on 10 bucks, now that same 300 miles costs me 64 bucks. to top that off the costs of goods have gone up due to this as well and the poor keep getting poorer and the rich keep getting richer but i dont believe its because of greedy people as much as i believe its due to inept politicians trying to play god. its a mixture of both of course, but we have more oil flowing now than anytime in the past, there is no excuse for it to cost as much as it does
Countries that adopt the business climates most favorable to large corporations often attract them to the detriment of other nation-states.
instead of yelling at ireland for their practice they should perhaps try to emulate them. I mean instead of raising the rates or trying to punish those who are sucessful, how about we learn from them and do the same??
the last thing we need is 1 global system. the UN would be the worst group to even consider. we dont need a N.W.O., we need choice, and if everyone on the planet is under the same rules of law, we as a species are doomed to slavery to those who run the N.W.O.
exactly my point. The people who are speaking the loudest (in politics, im not talking the avg person who truely believes in their cause) are doing so only because they know it can make them money. This is why some people such as myself have trouble taking it seriously because as GP pointed out the issue has been taken over by politicians who dont know jack shit about science, but know an awful lot about fear mongering
im 11 years removed from HS now and there are still some of the bad teachers in my old school teaching. I can recall a math teacher who would always be late to class, pick on students she didnt like. I remember one day im sitting there doing my work and she sent me to the principals office for talking to another student. The funny thing is the student she accused me of talking to was not even in the class that day! When I pointed this out to the principal, he informed me that she was there longer than he was and there wasnt much he could do. I ended up getting the highest regents grade in our entire school, a 98, and she failed me for the year. The teacher I got the year after knew the situation and let me have a free ride that year but it really fucked up my grade overall and this teacher is STILL THERE!!!! something needs to change.
well for example, most positions someones personal beliefs have no play. for example a math teacher, gym teacher, art teacher, biology teacher. The only place you would have that issue arise (or should anyway) would be history and social sciences.
and who gets rich from these carbon credits? thats what people are missing. If I pollute, i should not simply have to pay more to do so, that does not stop the so called pollution. Carbon credits to me just show that its all a farce, someone is getting rich on carbon credits and the cost of goods rises because as everyone knows, companies DONT pay higher taxes/fees, the costs get rolled into the finished product, and WE pay for them.
If you honestly believe carbon is bad, than you need to go for broke, if not, stop playing games with peoples lives.
just saying its not political, doesnt make it true. This is a topic that has been abused by politicians in the same way immigration and drug reform have been. Both sides like to pay lip service but they only talk about it because they know it divides, We have real pressing issues that are affecting us *TODAY* that politicians dont talk about in any real substance because they would rather have americans bickering about abortion, something that is a blip on the radar in reality, or the death penalty, where we have had an avg of 2 executions a year since 76, in other words a non issue.
meanwhile they fundraise on global warming and these other issues while our bridges rot away, our people are living paycheck to paycheck more and more, and no one wants to talk about those issues seriously
it is insane how many devices out there are still using default passwords. It seems to me that th eonly items im seeing ship with unique PWs by default these days are cheap WIFI routers surprisingly. I cant tell you how many coke machines out there can be taken over by simple keypresses. My best friend was a cooke distributer, and none of their machines were on a different default PW, always made getting a coke trivial for him however
look at all the states where the dealer network is doing everything they can to kill tesla off by not allowing them to even sell their cars in those states. They did the same thing to Studebaker and a lesser extent delorean.
they dont want any more competition simple as that
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when my energy costs are over 50% of my income, there is a problem. I used a dollar as a simple number to work with, im not saying it HAS to be 1$ or im not having anything to do with it. but I never will support artificially raising costs on ANYTHING just to make other products look better in comparison
as for your last statement, Im not only talking about me, Im talking about all the people who are living paycheck to paycheck, the people that you seem to forget when coming up with your utopia
so what do I do in your world drinky poo?? I dont live close enough to any jobs that I can work that I dont need a car, I need to eat. so should I simply quit, go on food stamps, live in government housing because hey its clean!
I never once said keep things they way they are forever, and you are being intentionally thick with your assessment. if me NEEDING a car to get to work, and food to eat is considered selfish by your standards, plain and simply you are nothing more than an asshole. Its not like we have 2 weeks to fix the world, we DO have some time and its going to take a good part of both of our lives to address. So we can either keep flinging poo at eachother (pun intended) or we can realize that as you said SOMETHING needs to be done, and at the same time work on ways to do so that allow people like me to still afford to get to work, eat and keep a roof over my head
I didnt say profitable. I said affordable. When renewables can cost the equivalent of 1$ per gallon of gas for the same energy output I will call it a sucess.
can you imagine if for example when color TVs came out and they cost double the same black and white TV if companies raised the cost of black and white TVs to the cost of color TVs rather than allowing the tech to mature and make the cost more reasonable? that would be a horrible way to do business to the consumer, sure its profitable for the company because if both cost the same, people will take the color over the B&W, but in the end it hurts everyone because people have less money to spend
I understand that a TV is not the equivalent of energy but i feel thats a good way of explaining what I see happening today
dont disagree with you one bit as an american even. But it doesnt mean I want to see the EU become the other america when it comes to telling the world what to do . I think the EU had a good goal, but I think in the end the concept of the EU is bound to fail
and this is the problem. We all want the SAME goals, we just differ in how to reach them. You want the poor to suffer now so everyone can be happy later, I want to allow the poor mobility and heat now, AND work on a sustainable future. In your view there is no middle ground to me made, its YOUR way or no way
I have to drive to get to work, I cant afford to live closer to work or I would, we are not all rich people out there, some of us dont have a choice in what we can do. Id gladly rather oil barons continue to get rich if it means I can afford to drive to work, AND eat dinner at night
im for reasonable solutions to an end goal of all renewable solutions, but I am not for increasing the costs of "bad things" in the short term to sway people to move towards more expensive options. I am for pumping money into R+D to bring down the price of renewables to the costs (and lower) that we have been paying for example 90s prices. I want the equivalent of a gallon of gas for a dollar again. and I believe that can be achieved. But I dont want to raise the cost of oil now, so that when we bring the price of renewables "only" down to 5 bucks a gallon people are happy with that.
so he fires a teacher and puts the niece in the teacher's place. This already goes on in the non-unionized private sector.
you really dont think unions give jobs to their friends as well???
it does NOT limit the pollution, it just lines the pockets of X or Y, while raising the costs on everyone.
i worded that wrongly. What I was intending to say was some of the measures some of these politicians are taking seem to be based on fear mongering rather than logic.
I would wager no scientist in their right mind would say that we need to raise taxes on oil and oil based products 100% or 50% even in the short term. I would think that most scientists would be more reasonable in the approach. We do need to get off fossil fuels, even if you dont believe in global warming but because eventually they will run out, probably not in our lifetimes but it will happen.
the rational answer is to continue funding R+D, while at the same time making the oil refining process more environmentally friendly.
it seems that some politicians want to save the world, at the expense of the people, especially the poor. just 10 years ago I could get 300 miles on 10 bucks, now that same 300 miles costs me 64 bucks. to top that off the costs of goods have gone up due to this as well and the poor keep getting poorer and the rich keep getting richer but i dont believe its because of greedy people as much as i believe its due to inept politicians trying to play god. its a mixture of both of course, but we have more oil flowing now than anytime in the past, there is no excuse for it to cost as much as it does
Countries that adopt the business climates most favorable to large corporations often attract them to the detriment of other nation-states.
instead of yelling at ireland for their practice they should perhaps try to emulate them. I mean instead of raising the rates or trying to punish those who are sucessful, how about we learn from them and do the same??
the last thing we need is 1 global system. the UN would be the worst group to even consider. we dont need a N.W.O., we need choice, and if everyone on the planet is under the same rules of law, we as a species are doomed to slavery to those who run the N.W.O.
if i had to guess its because apple is tech, and fiat and starbucks are not
and clickbait, cant forget the clickbait
exactly my point. The people who are speaking the loudest (in politics, im not talking the avg person who truely believes in their cause) are doing so only because they know it can make them money. This is why some people such as myself have trouble taking it seriously because as GP pointed out the issue has been taken over by politicians who dont know jack shit about science, but know an awful lot about fear mongering
Berliner actually said that no more than 1-3% gave him "cause for concern."
If he honestly believes that he must have been taught math by some of these bad teachers he does not think exist.
im 11 years removed from HS now and there are still some of the bad teachers in my old school teaching. I can recall a math teacher who would always be late to class, pick on students she didnt like. I remember one day im sitting there doing my work and she sent me to the principals office for talking to another student. The funny thing is the student she accused me of talking to was not even in the class that day! When I pointed this out to the principal, he informed me that she was there longer than he was and there wasnt much he could do. I ended up getting the highest regents grade in our entire school, a 98, and she failed me for the year. The teacher I got the year after knew the situation and let me have a free ride that year but it really fucked up my grade overall and this teacher is STILL THERE!!!! something needs to change.
well for example, most positions someones personal beliefs have no play. for example a math teacher, gym teacher, art teacher, biology teacher. The only place you would have that issue arise (or should anyway) would be history and social sciences.
and who gets rich from these carbon credits? thats what people are missing. If I pollute, i should not simply have to pay more to do so, that does not stop the so called pollution. Carbon credits to me just show that its all a farce, someone is getting rich on carbon credits and the cost of goods rises because as everyone knows, companies DONT pay higher taxes/fees, the costs get rolled into the finished product, and WE pay for them.
If you honestly believe carbon is bad, than you need to go for broke, if not, stop playing games with peoples lives.
1. The science is settled
I know right? and the world is flat, I mean the science is settled!
just saying its not political, doesnt make it true. This is a topic that has been abused by politicians in the same way immigration and drug reform have been. Both sides like to pay lip service but they only talk about it because they know it divides, We have real pressing issues that are affecting us *TODAY* that politicians dont talk about in any real substance because they would rather have americans bickering about abortion, something that is a blip on the radar in reality, or the death penalty, where we have had an avg of 2 executions a year since 76, in other words a non issue.
meanwhile they fundraise on global warming and these other issues while our bridges rot away, our people are living paycheck to paycheck more and more, and no one wants to talk about those issues seriously
it is insane how many devices out there are still using default passwords. It seems to me that th eonly items im seeing ship with unique PWs by default these days are cheap WIFI routers surprisingly. I cant tell you how many coke machines out there can be taken over by simple keypresses. My best friend was a cooke distributer, and none of their machines were on a different default PW, always made getting a coke trivial for him however
interesting, so we could see new towns/ infrastructure built around electric car range?
look at all the states where the dealer network is doing everything they can to kill tesla off by not allowing them to even sell their cars in those states. They did the same thing to Studebaker and a lesser extent delorean.
they dont want any more competition simple as that
......can you hear me now?
mod this one up. He should totally submit that convo
exactly, I mean days are SOO short, I bet you have better things to do than post on /. as well right????