or they were blinded by the fact that they were voting for a black president, instead of doing some (any) research on the actual man, if they did they would have seen that he was nothing more than a political hack
if you can still have any trust in obama you are wrong here my friend. He has proven time and time again that he is full of shit and every move he makes is political in nature.
cooking with beer is not the same as drinking it, you should be just fine. My brother hates beer but loves when I make chilli because I use a good stout in it
"If I told you that Facebook's strategy was to become the next Prodigy or AOL, you'd take me for crazy,"
No, That is pretty much what every startup has been trying to become when it grows since AOL, There are still people out there I know (my father for instance) who goes to www.aol.com before they go anywhere else because aol is what they know, he still equates aol with the internet and im sure there are others out there that do the same (hell i bet some people are still paying aol for "access") Everyone would LOVE to be in the position AOL was in 96-2003
so the courts ruled on something, and THE PEOPLE spoke up and said they didnt agree with the courts. Dont you agree that the courts work for the people? If the COURTS said that marriage was between a man and a woman, would you say that gay proponents were wrong because the court said so?? of course not! courts are not infallible
robert byrd was a learer in the KKK and was a democratic senator until a few years ago..... That didnt stop the democrats (generally those against this guy) from taking him in did it....
you know what else is getting tiring? special interest groups screaming about oppression at every opportunity even when none exists. As the current law is written, everyone has the same equal right to marry someone of the opposite sex. simple as that.
all this man did was donate to a cause that says marriage should remain as it is. Im sorry if a small minority is affected by this but the sad truth is life isnt fair. its not as if we are locking up the gays and killing them, everyone is free to live the life they want. as i have said numerous times in this thread I am all for getting the government out of marriage, If 2 people want to live together, why should love have anything to do with taxes? If we really want to treat people equal we would do away with marriage as a government contract in its entirety
in other words its ok to work as a lowly employee but if you have any thoughts that go against the lobby you better stay there dont you dare try to move up
I recall a time that was normal, except it was people of irish decent or black folk. We fought against that kind of mentality, but now its ok as long as it corrects a wrong from the past right? people are not allowed to believe what they believe without fear of their livelyhood
Thank you for your logical reasonable approach to the issue at hand. As usual it is the vocal minority who ruin an entire group though. I only have one gay friend who wants to get married, all others are SOO against it its not even funny
your are swapping discussions, are we talking about pat Buchanan and I replied as such. Ive addressed your points in other posts in this thread im not going to keep repeating myself
I dont think thats what we are saying at all, I think what we are saying is it is fucked up to get someone fired because of their personal beliefs over their ability. If he was good enough to work there for 15 years and he earned the position based on his merit, It is fucked up to fire him for something non job related. If he were gay and the bible thumpers did the same thing they would rightfully be called disgusting, BUT since its the gays doing it, in some peoples eyes it makes it ok.
you cant want equality and then demand special treatment at the same time, that is not equality
on another note, if he was forced to resign as we all assume, I wonder if he doesnt have a lawsuit against them for removing him over his religious beliefs.
can we stop speaking of marriage as a right in the same vein as life liberty and speech? No where in the constitution is marriage a "right" and homosexuals are already a protected class these days. If the issue were reversed for example and he was a gay CEO and he donated to gay causes, would you support the majority having him get fired (sorry resign) I wouldnt
as I said above, in 1990, that was a prevailing theory that was proven to be false. Anyone should be forgiven for thoughts they had 30 25 years ago dont you agree? Find me one person who in 25 years has NEVER said anything offensive in retrospect and I will eat a bag of rocks
he is not a public figure though, as such his position on the topic to me is not important at all.
Lets look at it a different way. If he were a gay CEO and the christian right was attacking mozilla for hiring a gay CEO, would firefox be in the right to support the firing of that man for his beliefs that its "ok to destroy traditional marriage?*" I dont believe it would be the correct response
* I do not believe that they are trying to destroy anything, it was just an example frankly i say get the government out of marriage totally, and end the arguing. Instead the politicians love when we aregue over issues like this, because it keeps us from arguing about issues that actually affect the majority of the country, like the deficit
"So I don't want to talk about my personal beliefs because I kept them out of Mozilla all these 15 years we've been going," he told the Guardian. "I don't believe they're relevant."
If only everyone lived by this creed the world would be a better place. He was correct, his donation in private has NOTHING to do with the job he has been doing at mozilla for 15 years. Why only now do they make a big deal about it?
Thank you for the information but none of that really means anything. Donating to pat buchannon and ron paul? last I checked neither of them were anti gay
in 1990 having the views that homosexuality and aids went together was the mainstream thought at the time. Many many people in 1990 had the same thoughts, scientists even believed as much at the time
just for the record as well anti gay marriage != anti gay
Having said all of that it looks like this guy is a little deeper than I wanted to give him credit for, while I dont personally feel he did anything on the grounds of losing his job over, I can see why others would want to force the man into hiding
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they know where his birth certificate is lol
how about we just elect someone who will follow the constitution instead of his handlers and not have to worry about it? I know its a pipe dream
or they were blinded by the fact that they were voting for a black president, instead of doing some (any) research on the actual man, if they did they would have seen that he was nothing more than a political hack
if you can still have any trust in obama you are wrong here my friend. He has proven time and time again that he is full of shit and every move he makes is political in nature.
Id wager he simply just doesnt want it to stop. He enjoys his power to much to allow it to stop
cooking with beer is not the same as drinking it, you should be just fine. My brother hates beer but loves when I make chilli because I use a good stout in it
I personally agree with everything you just said, however as noted, the majority dont think things through and only carer about the bottom line
"Linux" refers to a broad range of systems and vendors, rather than a single company,
really? this is /. timmy, get with the program, everyone knows this because THIS YEAR will be the year of linux on the desktop
"If I told you that Facebook's strategy was to become the next Prodigy or AOL, you'd take me for crazy,"
No, That is pretty much what every startup has been trying to become when it grows since AOL, There are still people out there I know (my father for instance) who goes to www.aol.com before they go anywhere else because aol is what they know, he still equates aol with the internet and im sure there are others out there that do the same (hell i bet some people are still paying aol for "access") Everyone would LOVE to be in the position AOL was in 96-2003
so the courts ruled on something, and THE PEOPLE spoke up and said they didnt agree with the courts. Dont you agree that the courts work for the people? If the COURTS said that marriage was between a man and a woman, would you say that gay proponents were wrong because the court said so?? of course not! courts are not infallible
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robert byrd was a learer in the KKK and was a democratic senator until a few years ago..... That didnt stop the democrats (generally those against this guy) from taking him in did it....
you know what else is getting tiring? special interest groups screaming about oppression at every opportunity even when none exists. As the current law is written, everyone has the same equal right to marry someone of the opposite sex. simple as that.
all this man did was donate to a cause that says marriage should remain as it is. Im sorry if a small minority is affected by this but the sad truth is life isnt fair. its not as if we are locking up the gays and killing them, everyone is free to live the life they want. as i have said numerous times in this thread I am all for getting the government out of marriage, If 2 people want to live together, why should love have anything to do with taxes? If we really want to treat people equal we would do away with marriage as a government contract in its entirety
in other words its ok to work as a lowly employee but if you have any thoughts that go against the lobby you better stay there dont you dare try to move up
I recall a time that was normal, except it was people of irish decent or black folk. We fought against that kind of mentality, but now its ok as long as it corrects a wrong from the past right? people are not allowed to believe what they believe without fear of their livelyhood
just because something is not a right in the constitutional sense does not mean it should be made illegal
having said all that I am all for the government taking itself out of the marriage business
Thank you for your logical reasonable approach to the issue at hand. As usual it is the vocal minority who ruin an entire group though. I only have one gay friend who wants to get married, all others are SOO against it its not even funny
your are swapping discussions, are we talking about pat Buchanan and I replied as such. Ive addressed your points in other posts in this thread im not going to keep repeating myself
I dont think thats what we are saying at all, I think what we are saying is it is fucked up to get someone fired because of their personal beliefs over their ability. If he was good enough to work there for 15 years and he earned the position based on his merit, It is fucked up to fire him for something non job related. If he were gay and the bible thumpers did the same thing they would rightfully be called disgusting, BUT since its the gays doing it, in some peoples eyes it makes it ok.
you cant want equality and then demand special treatment at the same time, that is not equality
on another note, if he was forced to resign as we all assume, I wonder if he doesnt have a lawsuit against them for removing him over his religious beliefs.
can we stop speaking of marriage as a right in the same vein as life liberty and speech? No where in the constitution is marriage a "right" and homosexuals are already a protected class these days. If the issue were reversed for example and he was a gay CEO and he donated to gay causes, would you support the majority having him get fired (sorry resign) I wouldnt
as I said above, in 1990, that was a prevailing theory that was proven to be false. Anyone should be forgiven for thoughts they had 30 25 years ago dont you agree? Find me one person who in 25 years has NEVER said anything offensive in retrospect and I will eat a bag of rocks
he is not a public figure though, as such his position on the topic to me is not important at all.
Lets look at it a different way. If he were a gay CEO and the christian right was attacking mozilla for hiring a gay CEO, would firefox be in the right to support the firing of that man for his beliefs that its "ok to destroy traditional marriage?*" I dont believe it would be the correct response
* I do not believe that they are trying to destroy anything, it was just an example frankly i say get the government out of marriage totally, and end the arguing. Instead the politicians love when we aregue over issues like this, because it keeps us from arguing about issues that actually affect the majority of the country, like the deficit
"So I don't want to talk about my personal beliefs because I kept them out of Mozilla all these 15 years we've been going," he told the Guardian. "I don't believe they're relevant."
If only everyone lived by this creed the world would be a better place. He was correct, his donation in private has NOTHING to do with the job he has been doing at mozilla for 15 years. Why only now do they make a big deal about it?
im with you on being a supporter of pat is way worse than being anti gay
Thank you for the information but none of that really means anything. Donating to pat buchannon and ron paul? last I checked neither of them were anti gay
in 1990 having the views that homosexuality and aids went together was the mainstream thought at the time. Many many people in 1990 had the same thoughts, scientists even believed as much at the time
just for the record as well anti gay marriage != anti gay
Having said all of that it looks like this guy is a little deeper than I wanted to give him credit for, while I dont personally feel he did anything on the grounds of losing his job over, I can see why others would want to force the man into hiding