I love how you invoke henry ford, Who did not need the government to tell him to do the things that he did, he did it because it was good for the bottom line. Its funny how things work out best when the government does the least
interesting point. And I do see parallels to today in that statement as well. The workers being targeted are not the ultra rich, but they are being targets for being associated with the ultra rich.
The liberal rise to power, was fueled by class warfare, not by economic imbalance. The liberals used class wealth envy as a splinter issue to obtain power, they propagated the idea that all of the wealth was owned by the 1%. This rationale, pure hatred, will then be used to justify the internment and death camps.
right. Because I would rather not work and bitch and moan about those who have a good job, than have a good job based on my ability. what the fuck happened to this country when working hard and making money became a bad thing?
agreed, they were fascists. But they were socialists in many ways as well, Domestically they were all for redistribution of wealth, As long as they were taking from jews and gypsies and others deemed unworthy and giving to the germans. They were not however right wing in the modern sense, and they were not socalist or left wing in a modern sense. They were fascists first and foremost
No. Because I do not know the right people to get there.
Ok, so you didnt work hard enough to meet the people you need to meet. Everyone knows networking is key, and if you dont work at networking you wont get what you want
correction. They are not in danger of the government doing that to them. They are in danger by their own neighbors doing it. The original point comparing it to the treatment of the jews in germany, while hyperbole, is more apt
The only people not willing to find a middle ground are the democrats. The republicans have passed numerous bills in the house, and the senate wont even bring them up for a vote and amendment process, you know like every senate has done before. As soon as people wake up and realize that its not the republicans who are holding the country hostage but the democrats in the senate, things will get better
You make the claim, so back it up. Many federal employees will be fired, it is true, but thats because the federal government is so full of wasteful redundancy that many of them are not needed for a functioning government. Lets look at the CIA FBI NSA DHS trio for one prime example. At this point, they all do pretty much the same damn thing Merge NSA and CIA , Merge FBI and DHS. Boom, billions saved right there. (Id be for gutting them on top of merging them but ill take what I can get)
we have so many departments of XX that it makes no sense. Remove the DEA and put the powers over to the FDA (while at the same time gutting it) There are many many ways that we can cut spending for the better. I just saved us billions of dollars with almost no thought. Yes people will lose jobs, but we need to cut them
Actually the federal government should not be writing any laws, they should be passing amendments. If it is not in the constitution, then the laws are left to the states. Thats the 10th amendment my friend
more power to the state and local governments, like the 10th amendment intended != no regulations and corporations can do no wrong. Perhaps your point on no regulations would be semi accurate if you said limited FEDERAL regulations. We have no problem with state and local regulations
Actually very little spending was needed for you to eat at that restuant. All that was needed was the degcree that we cannot discriminate against XX or YY. We dont need to spend billions of dollars to do that. Other than highways,which at the time was a legit defense spending program that happened to be useful to everyone as well, everything you listed is something that I find to be a bad policy out of the federal government
Libertarians are not for no government, they are for keeping the money at the state and local levels, so the people can keep more of their own money. Lets face it the mayor of NY knows more about how to spend money on people in NY than some suit in washington or some senator from texas
Actually I blame college subsidies on the high cost of college.
Think of it like this. Before the government promised to pay colleges, they were reasonably priced. However once the federal government promised loans and grants to ALL people here, The prices crept up. Not because the costs to the schools were going up, but because they had guarenteed payments from the government. If you have guarenteed payments from the government, you have no reason to keep your prices reasonable because hey, the people are not paying it, the GOVERNMENT is! you can see the same thing in medical costs. Ever since medicare and medicaid, the cost to see a doctor has sky rocketed.
Go back and look at every industry that the government has guarenteed to pay for, and look at how the costs sky rocket. Housing, when the government mandated sub prime loans, the cost of housing went up, and the bubble burst and millions of americans were on the hook for thousands of dollars on a house worth hundreds. I could go on and on
which is even funnier because if the president went along with the 1 year delayed bill, the government never would have shut down. Oh yeah, he delayed it after the shutdown anyway with no input from congress at all. So tell me again why we did it that way? just because obama does not want to admit that he was wrong, so he passed the blame to the republicans on the shutdown, then proceeded to do exactly what the republicans wanted, pretending it was his own idea!
I'm sure the Republican Senate would amend it and send it back rather than tell them to pound sand. Right?
I bolded this part for a reason. That is exactly what would happen. But that is not what the democrats in the senate did. They didnt even bring the bills to the floor for a vote and amend process. THAT is what I find disturbing about the current senate
I keep hearing that. So why didnt the senate do what all previous senates have done before. amend the bill and send it back to the house. They wouldnt do it, they wouldnt even take the bills up in the senate. Sure you can say oh well the president wont sign off on it anyway but thats just passing the buck, and trying to make the other side, the side that actually did do their job look bad
Actually the people I have spoken to are overwhelmingly for cutting spending accross the board, social handouts and defense spending. As I said the new right that is growing is more traditionalist and less indebted to the corporate world as the current crop
of the no votes from the R side were the newly elected republicans, while most the yea votes were members who have been in congress for quite some time
If I had to guess I would wager that many parts of the patriot act were already written previously, and it was all tied together in that month. Kind of like obama care. I am sure most of it was already written long before it went to the house to get passed before anyone could read it "we have to pass this bill to know whats in it"
I fit squarely in the middle as a 28 year old, college educated person. I would say that while i was in college (bush years) EVERYONE hated bush and thought they were democrats because they hated bush. As we got older and saw that the obama democrats were no better than the bush republicans my unscientific poll of 3 colleges in NY/NJ show the majority of people our age dont align with any of the main parties. Quite a few of us are 1 issue voters (gay marriage, marijuana , etc.) but the thing that is resounding is that we all want a smaller government by a large margin. Over 75% of the people I spoke with out of over 3000 said the number one thing they want is to cut spending, cut taxes, and reduce the reach of the federal government. I would say we are leaning libertarian more than we are progressive. But again, it was an unscientific study, and I have a libertarian bias as such my results may be biased as well.
Quite a few republicans who have been elected in the previous 10 years are not the same republicans that helped put bush in power. Rand paul and the rest of the young guns are more libertarian. The real traitors IMO are the ones who were against it while bush was in office, but then expanded the power once they took over
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I love how you invoke henry ford, Who did not need the government to tell him to do the things that he did, he did it because it was good for the bottom line. Its funny how things work out best when the government does the least
because those apps can still be ran
interesting point. And I do see parallels to today in that statement as well. The workers being targeted are not the ultra rich, but they are being targets for being associated with the ultra rich.
The liberal rise to power, was fueled by class warfare, not by economic imbalance. The liberals used class wealth envy as a splinter issue to obtain power, they propagated the idea that all of the wealth was owned by the 1%. This rationale, pure hatred, will then be used to justify the internment and death camps.
So there is some truth to that
right. Because I would rather not work and bitch and moan about those who have a good job, than have a good job based on my ability. what the fuck happened to this country when working hard and making money became a bad thing?
agreed, they were fascists. But they were socialists in many ways as well, Domestically they were all for redistribution of wealth, As long as they were taking from jews and gypsies and others deemed unworthy and giving to the germans. They were not however right wing in the modern sense, and they were not socalist or left wing in a modern sense. They were fascists first and foremost
No. Because I do not know the right people to get there.
Ok, so you didnt work hard enough to meet the people you need to meet. Everyone knows networking is key, and if you dont work at networking you wont get what you want
correction. They are not in danger of the government doing that to them. They are in danger by their own neighbors doing it. The original point comparing it to the treatment of the jews in germany, while hyperbole, is more apt
and none of your "facts" have anything to do with libertarians
The only people not willing to find a middle ground are the democrats. The republicans have passed numerous bills in the house, and the senate wont even bring them up for a vote and amendment process, you know like every senate has done before. As soon as people wake up and realize that its not the republicans who are holding the country hostage but the democrats in the senate, things will get better
You make the claim, so back it up. Many federal employees will be fired, it is true, but thats because the federal government is so full of wasteful redundancy that many of them are not needed for a functioning government. Lets look at the CIA FBI NSA DHS trio for one prime example. At this point, they all do pretty much the same damn thing Merge NSA and CIA , Merge FBI and DHS. Boom, billions saved right there. (Id be for gutting them on top of merging them but ill take what I can get)
we have so many departments of XX that it makes no sense. Remove the DEA and put the powers over to the FDA (while at the same time gutting it) There are many many ways that we can cut spending for the better. I just saved us billions of dollars with almost no thought. Yes people will lose jobs, but we need to cut them
Actually the federal government should not be writing any laws, they should be passing amendments. If it is not in the constitution, then the laws are left to the states. Thats the 10th amendment my friend
I dont remember who said it but there is truth in the statement "those who govern least, govern best"
I guess the mods didnt get the joke. That was a good joke right? because if you are actually serious...no, no good joke.
more power to the state and local governments, like the 10th amendment intended != no regulations and corporations can do no wrong. Perhaps your point on no regulations would be semi accurate if you said limited FEDERAL regulations. We have no problem with state and local regulations
Actually very little spending was needed for you to eat at that restuant. All that was needed was the degcree that we cannot discriminate against XX or YY. We dont need to spend billions of dollars to do that. Other than highways ,which at the time was a legit defense spending program that happened to be useful to everyone as well, everything you listed is something that I find to be a bad policy out of the federal government
Libertarians are not for no government, they are for keeping the money at the state and local levels, so the people can keep more of their own money. Lets face it the mayor of NY knows more about how to spend money on people in NY than some suit in washington or some senator from texas
Actually I blame college subsidies on the high cost of college.
Think of it like this. Before the government promised to pay colleges, they were reasonably priced. However once the federal government promised loans and grants to ALL people here, The prices crept up. Not because the costs to the schools were going up, but because they had guarenteed payments from the government. If you have guarenteed payments from the government, you have no reason to keep your prices reasonable because hey, the people are not paying it, the GOVERNMENT is! you can see the same thing in medical costs. Ever since medicare and medicaid, the cost to see a doctor has sky rocketed.
Go back and look at every industry that the government has guarenteed to pay for, and look at how the costs sky rocket. Housing, when the government mandated sub prime loans, the cost of housing went up, and the bubble burst and millions of americans were on the hook for thousands of dollars on a house worth hundreds. I could go on and on
which is even funnier because if the president went along with the 1 year delayed bill, the government never would have shut down. Oh yeah, he delayed it after the shutdown anyway with no input from congress at all. So tell me again why we did it that way? just because obama does not want to admit that he was wrong, so he passed the blame to the republicans on the shutdown, then proceeded to do exactly what the republicans wanted, pretending it was his own idea!
I'm sure the Republican Senate would amend it and send it back rather than tell them to pound sand. Right?
I bolded this part for a reason. That is exactly what would happen. But that is not what the democrats in the senate did. They didnt even bring the bills to the floor for a vote and amend process. THAT is what I find disturbing about the current senate
I keep hearing that. So why didnt the senate do what all previous senates have done before. amend the bill and send it back to the house. They wouldnt do it, they wouldnt even take the bills up in the senate. Sure you can say oh well the president wont sign off on it anyway but thats just passing the buck, and trying to make the other side, the side that actually did do their job look bad
Actually the people I have spoken to are overwhelmingly for cutting spending accross the board, social handouts and defense spending. As I said the new right that is growing is more traditionalist and less indebted to the corporate world as the current crop
of the no votes from the R side were the newly elected republicans, while most the yea votes were members who have been in congress for quite some time
If I had to guess I would wager that many parts of the patriot act were already written previously, and it was all tied together in that month. Kind of like obama care. I am sure most of it was already written long before it went to the house to get passed before anyone could read it "we have to pass this bill to know whats in it"
I fit squarely in the middle as a 28 year old, college educated person. I would say that while i was in college (bush years) EVERYONE hated bush and thought they were democrats because they hated bush. As we got older and saw that the obama democrats were no better than the bush republicans my unscientific poll of 3 colleges in NY/NJ show the majority of people our age dont align with any of the main parties. Quite a few of us are 1 issue voters (gay marriage, marijuana , etc.) but the thing that is resounding is that we all want a smaller government by a large margin. Over 75% of the people I spoke with out of over 3000 said the number one thing they want is to cut spending, cut taxes, and reduce the reach of the federal government. I would say we are leaning libertarian more than we are progressive. But again, it was an unscientific study, and I have a libertarian bias as such my results may be biased as well.
Quite a few republicans who have been elected in the previous 10 years are not the same republicans that helped put bush in power. Rand paul and the rest of the young guns are more libertarian. The real traitors IMO are the ones who were against it while bush was in office, but then expanded the power once they took over