Maybe microsoft gets two customers extra when they reveal their new triple-bound-office-product in the next round, you'll never know!
However, I would have built it in Kamchatka, and named the next Windows Version after it.
Unfortunately we are still at Windows "V" after "X", and since everything goes backwards for "backwards compatibility", the letter "K" for a windows version is still far away... so it will be "Windows Uran", which, closing the circle, happens to be found in Siberia!
Deinonychus was rechristened by some authors, which happens moreoften, like the all known Brontosaurus which is named Apatosaurus.
There have been renamings all along, including to believe in a species and revoking his own line. Happened to the Gorgosaurus, too. Depends which line of Paleonotology you follow, there was always big debate over such things from the beginning of this science.
God had a bit of fun while letting birds evolve, just to make our children happy in Dinosaur Parks, so what?
Even if theologically I can only add, that man was created after the mammal after the bird, and philosophically God never seems to be the guy, who just drops something finished from heavens, like some Software Giants try to, it also could be possible that he had some private contract with Spielberg.
Or he wanted to make Spielberg happy.
My theory is simpler. Adam pointed to the Velociraptor and said: "big tasty chicken". blame him. He just ate them all.
In fact, C and C++ have plenty of downsides: they are hard to optimize, programmers retain lots of memory unnecessarily, their lack of runtime safety means lots of stuff has to run as separate processes, and pointers inhibit compiler optimizations.
using a lot of memory however for me doesn't mean fast and responsive. in todays memory sizes a bigger memory footprint providing a lot of features would more or less mean that programs can reuse a lot of code. however a JIT takes some time. the compiler has to run too, doesn't it? and afaik JIT code can't be optimized in the same manner, because it has to be fast?
Yeah, being asleep is about what describes the mental state of people like you; there have been dozens of systems programming languages that are more efficient than C and C++, and they have been around for decades.
I *really* love to learn new things, but offensive statements followed up by general assumptions never succeed to wake me up. chrrrr.
I do give you this much: Mono is bloated, but the reason for that is not the CLR, it's the libraries. But its libraries are no more bloated than the Gnome or standard C++ libraries.
well I think, in the end that's the problem of every framework. smaller frameworks lead to more independent solutions, which leads to even bigger memory footprints in a longterm running state, even if the base is fast.
Windows, MacOSX, XFCE and KDE are desktops I use quite often. the responsiveness of Linux has also to do with X.org as far as I can see. MacOSX is quite responsive normally. Windows starts up programs like hell, but it has its downsides, also it lacks features. XFCE is quite fast. downside is, it lacks features.
So in the end, a fast and responsive Desktop may rely on more than one factor and this discussion is not leading anywhere, and also the choice depends on the wishes of the user. I still disagree building a desktop in mono, or java or whatsoever. And AFAIK, but I can be wrong, mono lacks a jit, but I have only read that somewhere. could be totally wrong.
can't think of any downsides for C/C++ in that part...
using modern high level languages as add-ons for various applets, like funky calendars swimming around or stuff like that...: fine. but in my opinion the core layer of a desktop environment should definitely not use ANY interpreted language or virtual machine.
which brings us back to good old C/C++.
wake me if those funky high level languages compile into fast and real executable code without need for an interpreter. no. wake me before that. sleeping too long makes you sleepy.
because i read this article on a blog, and googled after it around to get news about it, so my question is, that polling stuff, will that be resolved, too?
or how accurate is the blogpost from zecke? (was posted on may 27 i know, dont bash me about that, its just, it is one of the first articles if you google after "qtopia for moko")
funny to hear about all those old memories tweaking DOS up, because back then also things got developed which didn't care much about KB's in the OS: with Norton Utilities (I think I installed under DOS5 back then) all those fancy Kbs got eaten up again to 533K or sth like that, just so you could have fancy ascii letters and bright colors in the shell. It was called "NORTON DOS" or "NDOS" and still don't know what it was for. It replaced command.com simply.
I can still hear my maths teacher looking back at the one PC standing in our class and shouting: "You have installed the norton commander?" taking a deep breath and showing with some anger in his voice, how much he likes it.
later i wrote a shell wrapper in pascal and called it GDOS. it had those fancy colors too and still gave you more than 600K. It didn't work however to rename the exe and replace command.com with it;)
Without knowing the license type, well could mean everything.
Isn't Java Opensource, too?
However for learning purposes it's still great news. QNX is quite something even people happen to know who can't really tell the difference between Linux and BSD...
thx, sherrif, i know what i think, and yes i didnt think what i stated you are right.
yes that was kinda troll post but...
maybe not everything which reminds of old flamewars is a troll, since nobody would still flame about what i said at least i dont see it going on.
or maybe this whole comment cascade is just indirect trolling
even if i dislike gnome as desktop, i found the whole article about one man's opinion in the gnome scene posted on a blog in the kde scene and reposted here on slashdot - and reading all the comments here - quite trollish.
just evolved and disguised more properly.
we should invent a new word for stealth trolls. ninja trolls?
the next generation.
shame on me. dont feed me further
I thought with Qt going into GPL Gnome reached version 3 and isnt able to login anymore, because the user dont has to anymore? I thought Gtk vs. Qt is over... and we all know what won?
From all the stuff Miguel made, Mono is the only one I really appreciate however. We have to face it: we need ppl implementing MS stuff, or we can't implement all those funny tags in OOXML
(omg i wanted plaintext)..MS Windows doesnt crash that often anymore.
Just a joke: Win9x was more secure than anything, any hacker logging in couldnt last in the system longer than 4 hours.
Seriously: Explorer sometimes does crash. Some Applications do, likely some of the Company with the red A. However - not the kernel.
It is really HARD to crash xp kernel with rock solid software.
However, not exiting a DirectX Black Screen anymore, Iconmess on the Desktop, random crashes from Explorer, High CPU Usage from some programs (again Explorer) at random points, high infestation rate (not on my machine but i have to fix a lot of them) - by programs not even INSTALLED by the user (where do they come from?*), and last but not least: speed issues over ethernet, Memory consumtion increase, bad responses to certain events like "moving a mouse" after 32h of running, and mostly the speed breakdown if many processes are running because of the "Great Eternal Caching Of The Swap"...
I cant say, linux is doing it better all the time. I have memory leaks in my X (fixed but i was to lazy to upgrade) and encounter a lot of crashes even there. I protest to ppl who still talk about bluescreens. The kernel is working. it is crashable, but hardly.
But I cant think of any situation, where somebody, even if he considers Windows as the best choice available, doesnt have some story about XP nagging him. It's like this: most people dont expect it to get any better. There will be holes. There are always holes. And a common enemy unites a community. Thats why all people are still canting the song of "Screen the Blue", even if it is already a historic thing. Yesterday it crashed entirely, today it crashes randomly, tomorrow it will run and run infested forever.
..MS Windows doesnt crash that often anymore.
Just a joke: Win9x was more secure than anything, any hacker logging in couldnt last in the system longer than 4 hours.
Seriously:
Explorer sometimes does crash.
Some Applications do, likely some of the Company with the red A.
However - not the kernel.
It is really HARD to crash xp kernel with rock solid software.
However, not exiting a DirectX Black Screen anymore, Iconmess on the Desktop, random crashes from Explorer, High CPU Usage from some programs (again Explorer) at random points, high infestation rate (not on my machine but i have to fix a lot of them) - by programs not even INSTALLED by the user (where do they come from?*), and last but not least: speed issues over ethernet, Memory consumtion increase, bad responses to certain events like "moving a mouse" after 32h of running, and mostly the speed breakdown if many processes are running because of the "Great Eternal Caching Of The Swap"...
I cant say, linux is doing it better all the time. I have memory leaks in my X (fixed but i was to lazy to upgrade) and encounter a lot of crashes even there.
I protest to ppl who still talk about bluescreens. The kernel is working. it is crashable, but hardly. But I cant think of any situation, where somebody, even if he considers Windows as the best choice available, doesnt have some story about XP nagging him. It's like this: most people dont expect it to get any better.
There will be holes. There are always holes.
And a common enemy unites a community. Thats why all people are still canting the song of "Screen the Blue", even if it is already a historic thing. Yesterday it crashed entirely, today it crashes randomly, tomorrow it will run and run infested forever.
* I know how they come, this was rhetoric.
And in Redmond a big flag is hissed printing: "OMFG WINDOW S LEFT THE BUILDING"
seriously: this IS the end of MS. and: no matter what ppl flame here, I wish her good luck at mozilla and have to confess, even if win2k3 and sp2 mess up a working desktop, it IS kinda more secure!
well well, but think about it: why is it so hard to believe, that maybe life doesnt exist somewhere else in the universe? and: if life comes from outer space, how did it happen there? for all those who try to escape the creation of life on the earth by saying: it was a friggin meteorite, just a thougth: where the heck did it come from, and why was there life?
Slashdot Mirror
yum can be solid as it wants to be, as long as its using rpm, i dont see the advantage
.deb is the superior format, not apt. i dont want to go in detail here.
.deb which rocks.
for my tastes,
it is the combination of apt and
apt is also used by rpm based distros sometimes as add-on, but still, it is the "rpm-hell", not the "yum-hell" which we always talked about.
Maybe microsoft gets two customers extra when they reveal their new triple-bound-office-product in the next round, you'll never know!
However, I would have built it in Kamchatka, and named the next Windows Version after it.
Unfortunately we are still at Windows "V" after "X", and since everything goes backwards for "backwards compatibility", the letter "K" for a windows version is still far away... so it will be "Windows Uran", which, closing the circle, happens to be found in Siberia!
Now try to beat this tactics!
What's your point?
*dramatically* ooooh, whats the point!
here i am, having the greatest table ever created, and what are they using it for?
tower calculations!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_issues_in_Jurassic_Park
Deinonychus was rechristened by some authors, which happens moreoften, like the all known Brontosaurus which is named Apatosaurus.
There have been renamings all along, including to believe in a species and revoking his own line. Happened to the Gorgosaurus, too. Depends which line of Paleonotology you follow, there was always big debate over such things from the beginning of this science.
God had a bit of fun while letting birds evolve, just to make our children happy in Dinosaur Parks, so what?
Even if theologically I can only add, that man was created after the mammal after the bird, and philosophically God never seems to be the guy, who just drops something finished from heavens, like some Software Giants try to, it also could be possible that he had some private contract with Spielberg.
Or he wanted to make Spielberg happy.
My theory is simpler.
Adam pointed to the Velociraptor and said: "big tasty chicken". blame him. He just ate them all.
using a lot of memory however for me doesn't mean fast and responsive. in todays memory sizes a bigger memory footprint providing a lot of features would more or less mean that programs can reuse a lot of code. however a JIT takes some time. the compiler has to run too, doesn't it? and afaik JIT code can't be optimized in the same manner, because it has to be fast?
Yeah, being asleep is about what describes the mental state of people like you; there have been dozens of systems programming languages that are more efficient than C and C++, and they have been around for decades.
I *really* love to learn new things, but offensive statements followed up by general assumptions never succeed to wake me up. chrrrr.
I do give you this much: Mono is bloated, but the reason for that is not the CLR, it's the libraries. But its libraries are no more bloated than the Gnome or standard C++ libraries.
well I think, in the end that's the problem of every framework. smaller frameworks lead to more independent solutions, which leads to even bigger memory footprints in a longterm running state, even if the base is fast.
Windows, MacOSX, XFCE and KDE are desktops I use quite often. the responsiveness of Linux has also to do with X.org as far as I can see. MacOSX is quite responsive normally. Windows starts up programs like hell, but it has its downsides, also it lacks features. XFCE is quite fast. downside is, it lacks features.
So in the end, a fast and responsive Desktop may rely on more than one factor and this discussion is not leading anywhere, and also the choice depends on the wishes of the user. I still disagree building a desktop in mono, or java or whatsoever. And AFAIK, but I can be wrong, mono lacks a jit, but I have only read that somewhere. could be totally wrong.
well my desktop should be fast and responsive.
can't think of any downsides for C/C++ in that part...
using modern high level languages as add-ons for various applets, like funky calendars swimming around or stuff like that...: fine. but in my opinion the core layer of a desktop environment should definitely not use ANY interpreted language or virtual machine.
which brings us back to good old C/C++.
wake me if those funky high level languages compile into fast and real executable code without need for an interpreter. no. wake me before that. sleeping too long makes you sleepy.
because i read this article on a blog, and googled after it around to get news about it, so my question is, that polling stuff, will that be resolved, too?
or how accurate is the blogpost from zecke? (was posted on may 27 i know, dont bash me about that, its just, it is one of the first articles if you google after "qtopia for moko")
Does that mean they will migrate Lotus Notes into OpenOffice to beat Outlook?
Just imagine that.
The OOo logo will be expanded with a big fat third bird on the right bottom, all painted in blue and orange.
(No, I have nothing against IBM, OOo or Notes, but I have to use Notes on a daily basis)
funny to hear about all those old memories tweaking DOS up, because back then also things got developed which didn't care much about KB's in the OS: with Norton Utilities (I think I installed under DOS5 back then) all those fancy Kbs got eaten up again to 533K or sth like that, just so you could have fancy ascii letters and bright colors in the shell. It was called "NORTON DOS" or "NDOS" and still don't know what it was for. It replaced command.com simply.
;)
I can still hear my maths teacher looking back at the one PC standing in our class and shouting: "You have installed the norton commander?" taking a deep breath and showing with some anger in his voice, how much he likes it.
later i wrote a shell wrapper in pascal and called it GDOS. it had those fancy colors too and still gave you more than 600K. It didn't work however to rename the exe and replace command.com with it
yeah, because of such cool thinks like QEMM you really dont need more than 640K *ever*
Without knowing the license type, well could mean everything.
Isn't Java Opensource, too?
However for learning purposes it's still great news. QNX is quite something even people happen to know who can't really tell the difference between Linux and BSD...
I bet it isn't GPLv3 d'oh
thx, sherrif, i know what i think, and yes i didnt think what i stated you are right. yes that was kinda troll post but... maybe not everything which reminds of old flamewars is a troll, since nobody would still flame about what i said at least i dont see it going on. or maybe this whole comment cascade is just indirect trolling even if i dislike gnome as desktop, i found the whole article about one man's opinion in the gnome scene posted on a blog in the kde scene and reposted here on slashdot - and reading all the comments here - quite trollish. just evolved and disguised more properly. we should invent a new word for stealth trolls. ninja trolls? the next generation. shame on me. dont feed me further
What's Gnome?
I thought with Qt going into GPL Gnome reached version 3 and isnt able to login anymore, because the user dont has to anymore? I thought Gtk vs. Qt is over... and we all know what won?
From all the stuff Miguel made, Mono is the only one I really appreciate however. We have to face it: we need ppl implementing MS stuff, or we can't implement all those funny tags in OOXML
I think this is a menu advertisement.
Speciality: Sweet Sour Chinese Duck
had the same thought as i read it.
now instead of a warrior princess, it has something to do with the actor itself?
(omg i wanted plaintext) ..MS Windows doesnt crash that often anymore.
Just a joke: Win9x was more secure than anything, any hacker logging in couldnt last in the system longer than 4 hours.
Seriously: Explorer sometimes does crash.
Some Applications do, likely some of the Company with the red A.
However - not the kernel.
It is really HARD to crash xp kernel with rock solid software.
However, not exiting a DirectX Black Screen anymore, Iconmess on the Desktop, random crashes from Explorer, High CPU Usage from some programs (again Explorer) at random points, high infestation rate (not on my machine but i have to fix a lot of them) - by programs not even INSTALLED by the user (where do they come from?*), and last but not least: speed issues over ethernet, Memory consumtion increase, bad responses to certain events like "moving a mouse" after 32h of running, and mostly the speed breakdown if many processes are running because of the "Great Eternal Caching Of The Swap"...
I cant say, linux is doing it better all the time. I have memory leaks in my X (fixed but i was to lazy to upgrade) and encounter a lot of crashes even there. I protest to ppl who still talk about bluescreens. The kernel is working. it is crashable, but hardly.
But I cant think of any situation, where somebody, even if he considers Windows as the best choice available, doesnt have some
story about XP nagging him. It's like this: most people dont expect it to get any better.
There will be holes.
There are always holes.
And a common enemy unites a community.
Thats why all people are still canting the song of "Screen the Blue", even if it is already a historic thing.
Yesterday it crashed entirely, today it crashes randomly, tomorrow it will run and run infested forever.
* I know how they come, this was rhetoric.
..MS Windows doesnt crash that often anymore. Just a joke: Win9x was more secure than anything, any hacker logging in couldnt last in the system longer than 4 hours. Seriously: Explorer sometimes does crash. Some Applications do, likely some of the Company with the red A. However - not the kernel. It is really HARD to crash xp kernel with rock solid software. However, not exiting a DirectX Black Screen anymore, Iconmess on the Desktop, random crashes from Explorer, High CPU Usage from some programs (again Explorer) at random points, high infestation rate (not on my machine but i have to fix a lot of them) - by programs not even INSTALLED by the user (where do they come from?*), and last but not least: speed issues over ethernet, Memory consumtion increase, bad responses to certain events like "moving a mouse" after 32h of running, and mostly the speed breakdown if many processes are running because of the "Great Eternal Caching Of The Swap"... I cant say, linux is doing it better all the time. I have memory leaks in my X (fixed but i was to lazy to upgrade) and encounter a lot of crashes even there. I protest to ppl who still talk about bluescreens. The kernel is working. it is crashable, but hardly. But I cant think of any situation, where somebody, even if he considers Windows as the best choice available, doesnt have some story about XP nagging him. It's like this: most people dont expect it to get any better. There will be holes. There are always holes. And a common enemy unites a community. Thats why all people are still canting the song of "Screen the Blue", even if it is already a historic thing. Yesterday it crashed entirely, today it crashes randomly, tomorrow it will run and run infested forever. * I know how they come, this was rhetoric.
Well, first off, the guy is a she.
She is cute.
And in Redmond a big flag is hissed printing:
"OMFG WINDOW S LEFT THE BUILDING"
seriously: this IS the end of MS.
and: no matter what ppl flame here, I wish her good luck at mozilla and have to confess, even if win2k3 and sp2 mess up a working desktop, it IS kinda more secure!
well well, but think about it: why is it so hard to believe, that maybe life doesnt exist somewhere else in the universe? and: if life comes from outer space, how did it happen there?
for all those who try to escape the creation of life on the earth by saying: it was a friggin meteorite, just a thougth: where the heck did it come from, and why was there life?
if aliens created us, who created them?