I think the whole problem here is the way the guy is carrying out his campaign. He has a legitimate issue, but he is taking things out of turn. He could have started with a very apologetic pleading like "I'm very sorry this happened, and I know it usually takes two weeks, but I believe this site is important for public education, particularly at this time of year, could you please re-index my site?" You know, try and ply them with a little sugar.
Instead he explodes with a "OMGosh, Google is dishonest, you guys won't communicate with us, why are you haters!" Well, okay, that's not a direct quote, but...
Yea, in fact it's not a quote at all, and you just felt it's better to completely make it up and make conclusions based on a situation you just imagined yourself.
someone needs to mod parent up as funny. I worry that without the "score:5 funny" line at the top the audience won't understand...:)
You know, I don't get it either why GP post was modded Funny +5.
His opinion is tired, obvious and unoriginal. I could've said something with more substance after 3 day sleep deprivation, alchohol intoxication and food poisoning.
While people keep modding this garbage up, editors will keep not checking what they're publishing, readers not checking what they are reading, and commenters not caring what they're posting.
I remember the days when a movie file was... a movie file. What kind of idiot lets people access the web or, worse, run Javascript, from a bloody movie?
The real story here is that someone is buying the brown one.;P
You know, I don't have problem buying a brown Zune, or a console called Wii. The only people having problem with this are people who rank toilet jokes above sanity.
If you see the Zune interface and their overall branding, the brown one actually looks pretty nice.
Microsoft knew it won't make wonders with the first iteration of their product. Much like with their other attempts at entering a new market, they sell at loss, taking experiments just to see the outcome and trying to damage the competition as much as possible.
Hence the "precedent" with Universal. I personally don't see how the deal with Zune obligates or pressures Apple into signing a deal as well.
Especially since iTunes is already a loss leader for them, hence they won't just agree Universal eating even more of their hardware profit for something as vague and abstract as "stolen music" tax. Apple isn't selling stolen music on their iPods. End of story.
You can expect Apple making few announcements about banning Universal from their store or something like that and that'd be the end of the story, if it even goes that far.
there are people who still believe in a flat Earth and will debate with anyone who will give them the chance.
There will always be people that believe Earth is flat. Because with the amount of information they have, there's always the possibility, that it IS flat.
Segregating those communities won't make anything better.
This is a problem of mass information, education, and so on. The thing is, why should everyone know Santa doesn't exist?
If it makes them happy, let it be. If they want to build a Santa museum with 1000 photo realistic animatronic elfs, let it be. If it'll cost them a billion in donations, let it be.
It's their thing, let them have their own beliefs. Try to inform them, but don't force it on them. This way, when the official science is wrong, truth will have a chance to survive.
It was not very long time ago when people were burned by officials for saying Earth is NOT flat.
Don't link to them. Don't give them the oxygen of publicity, of recognition.
This is what they are trying to do to science and evolution theory.
Instead of trying to censor them, how about widely publicizing them and doing an unbiased (as much as possible hehe) critique of what they are trying to convince people is the world.
Would you rather be naturally immune to an illness, or live in a plastic bubble protecting yourself from it. It's the age of information. The bubble can't survive, so you should.
Flash is older than the Internet. Flash has had it's chance; let it die gracefully please.
HTML is older than the Internet. HTML has had it's chance; let id die gracefully please.
Yea... empty words are also older than the Internet. Empty words has had it's chance; now let market economics work its way and stop talking BS please. Flash is still pretty alive and kicking.
In other words... what might succeed at doing exactly what Java and Flash promised to do, but have failed?
You're signing out Flash too quickly. I'd say give it a chance. I mean Flash 9 and Flex 2 are out just couple of months ago and Adobe also donated their supposedly (for Flash haters) "crappy" Flash 9 JS engine to Firefox, which will replace SpiderMonkey in the near future.
Flash currently has the best ECMA4 implementation out there, and fastest. And it's available right now, today, on all browsers, on Windows, Mac and Linux.
I've been working on a server 2003 system that we've had to tweak and fiddle with for over a month to get a couple of applications to work properly, and we're still working on them. There are a couple more that will not work and have to be abandoned. These are older applications, so that could be the problem, but they were running on server 2000. No one can tell me that they are 100% compatible, because they are not.
Do you know what this means. That in most cases those apps were not coded properly. Let's take IE7 for example. People scream how it breaks apps left and right.
I tested 30 of my existing sites, some involving relatively complex CSS and JS ("ajax") functionality. I haven't found a single flaw. That shocked me, you know? No issues whatsoever, after all doomsday reports about IE7 being so incompatible.
The reason is many people don't code to specs, don't code to standards, don't code to API's. They just code and tweak until it seems to work and then move on. The reasons are plenty: lack of experience, lack of time and so on.
Still, when you use the tools (in my case HTML/CSS/JS) you're provided with in the way they were meant to be used, there's a huge chance your apps will work with future versions.
If you rely on race conditions, hacks, or pure luck, this is virtually impossible to be backwards compatible with, although apparently MS tries hard to do that as well.
If Microsoft eliminated backwards compatibility, thousands of companies would be in a position where they needed to include the cost of migrating software in the upgrade decision. All of a sudden, Linux would become a viable option for these corporate clients, which Microsoft can't afford.
I guess you're still missing the point. If Microsoft removes backwards compatibility, Linux won't magically become a viable option at all.
99.99% of those businesses just won't upgrade. To anything. Ever. I still know banks which use MS DOS 6.0 based software for critical tasks.
Convergenece is not something to bet your life on. I have a K750, which I think still is considered relatively high end (or well, it was an year or so ago).
That doesn't stop me from having backup nokia, and DSLR camera for more special occasions. If the K750 would wreck (not a glitch so far though), I have replacement.
The ultimate use is - convenience, nothing more. While it works, having a camera and mp3 player in your phone is not bad at all.
Geode is a baseline platform good for set top boxes and kiosks, it fails it as a true PC computing platform.
Hello. I'm writing this from AMD K5 100 MHz. Yes. 100 MHz.
8MB RAM.
Do you think it's impossible to use? It's certainly not the machine I use for 3D and Photoshop design, but still I managed to get ermm "informed" by Slashdot, and post a responce.
How powerful a Geode is? It's certainly better than AMD K5 100 MHz.
No they can't run linux, linux is not something you use to fly a shuttle with people in it, can't support the hardware and it was written 30 years ago.
And no, it's not easy to fix bugs in a piece of software like this.
If they're so anal about getting the sound "just right", why wouldn't the last step of the install process just ask you to pick a sound scheme out of a set of 10 or so different styles. Hell they could even be the SAME notes, but with different instruments to suit the user's taste.
It's branding. It would be like it asking you to pick one of 10 or so Windows logos during install.
This seems to underscore Microsoft's focus on flashiness over function, to me.
What is "this", which underscores Microsoft's focus on flashiness to you? That Robert Fripp spent 18 months on it? That they did an article about it?
Oh no! How could they've an article about it and so on, when Robert Fripp and that clueless reporter should be working on improving the security of Windows Vista!
Let the civil jurisdiction deal with it, because it certainly isn't something that is worthy of jail time.
Can you give me reasons why it's not "worthy of jail time"? Because it's too easy? I can kill someone easily too by throwing a knife at them. It doesn't mean it's not worthy of jail time.
Someone went out of their way to cause signifigant damage to a business or a person. It's certainly a crime.
The submission takes a bunch of half truthes, wishfull thinking and hope for revenge and throws it altogether to make a stew designed to rile up the/. reader. Don't bite.
You can say than for almost all of the submissions here:P Really, this is not a news site for a long time now.
Actually, it has been anounced that Apollo will be based on WebKit, the framework that is behind Apple's Safari. They will be using the open source version rather than Apple's internal version, but the differences are minor.
Interesting, didn't know that. It's strange that of all browsers on the market, Adobe will pick the least popular one, and one which needs a lot of work before it even runs on Windows (I know work is being done on it, but it's far from done).
For those who don't follow the project tightly, there are indeed a slew of implications.
On the side of Mozilla, it means much faster, JIT JS engine, and since you know that Firefox's XUL depends heavily on JS to run, it may have big impact on the performance of Firefox as a whole and change the perception some have of Firefox as "bloated" and "slow".
This is just a guess though. Here's what's really fun.
Adobe is now working on its next generation "web platform", code named Apollo. Apollo's long term goals are to merge Flash, HTML/JS/CSS and PDF in one single "web platform", for internet applications.
Apollo is not a browser, you can think of it sort of like the.NET or Java runtime. Or well, Adobe wants you to think that.
The first version of Apollo is not going to merge all three technologies into one, but it'll integrate them to work together. This means, you can have Apollo app that is based on AJAX with flash in it. Or Flash project with HTML in it. Or, I guess, Flash with PDF in it.. All sorts of combinations.
Adobe announced that they will NOT develop a browser on their own for Apollo, and that they are researching what to use.
I'll be honest, I thought it's apparent they'll pick Opera. Opera is faster than Firefox, it's portable to mobile platforms (and this is important to Adobe), and both Macromedia and Adobe have rich partnership with Opera already.
For example, Dreamweaver's WYSIWYG on Mac used to be Opera for a long time, and maybe it still is (on Windows, as far as I know, it's custom built).
And even now, the entire help system of Adobe uses built-in Opera browser. Even their "Bridge" image browser, is in fast running on Opera.
But now, as they contribute big chunks of Flash 9 (the script engine) to Mozilla, it means only one thing: Adobe has decided on a browser.
Apollo will feature a version of Gecko with Tamarin for a script engine.
Currently Adobe Reader (PDF) uses SpiderMonkey for its script engine, but when Tamarin is good enough to replace SpikerMonkey in Firefox, it'll be good enough to do it in Adobe Reader.
Hence, one step forward towards Adobe's vision of unified HTML/Flash/PDF platform. Interesting times.
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I think the whole problem here is the way the guy is carrying out his campaign. He has a legitimate issue, but he is taking things out of turn. He could have started with a very apologetic pleading like "I'm very sorry this happened, and I know it usually takes two weeks, but I believe this site is important for public education, particularly at this time of year, could you please re-index my site?" You know, try and ply them with a little sugar.
Instead he explodes with a "OMGosh, Google is dishonest, you guys won't communicate with us, why are you haters!" Well, okay, that's not a direct quote, but...
Yea, in fact it's not a quote at all, and you just felt it's better to completely make it up and make conclusions based on a situation you just imagined yourself.
That makes sense.
They really trademarked that? Shit, they don't really leave people much choice than being good these days.
someone needs to mod parent up as funny. I worry that without the "score:5 funny" line at the top the audience won't understand... :)
You know, I don't get it either why GP post was modded Funny +5.
His opinion is tired, obvious and unoriginal. I could've said something with more substance after 3 day sleep deprivation, alchohol intoxication and food poisoning.
While people keep modding this garbage up, editors will keep not checking what they're publishing, readers not checking what they are reading, and commenters not caring what they're posting.
If you're legit, the chance of running a bad install are zero.
But Windows still allows you to run ANY program you download. And this affects legit users too. Why isn't anybody talking about this.
I think it's about time Microsoft forbids running programs on Windows, or malware will have an edge.
Well, at least it'll get fixed now...
It won't get fixed because it's not a bug. Face the reality: the only way to "fix" phishing attacks is by taking away the computers of everyone.
Phishers just concentrate on the easiest method available. You take it away: they find another method. They don't need scripting at all.
I remember the days when a movie file was... a movie file. What kind of idiot lets people access the web or, worse, run Javascript, from a bloody movie?
Apple.
You can do that from Flash as well.
The real story here is that someone is buying the brown one. ;P
You know, I don't have problem buying a brown Zune, or a console called Wii. The only people having problem with this are people who rank toilet jokes above sanity.
If you see the Zune interface and their overall branding, the brown one actually looks pretty nice.
Microsoft knew it won't make wonders with the first iteration of their product. Much like with their other attempts at entering a new market, they sell at loss, taking experiments just to see the outcome and trying to damage the competition as much as possible.
Hence the "precedent" with Universal. I personally don't see how the deal with Zune obligates or pressures Apple into signing a deal as well.
Especially since iTunes is already a loss leader for them, hence they won't just agree Universal eating even more of their hardware profit for something as vague and abstract as "stolen music" tax. Apple isn't selling stolen music on their iPods. End of story.
You can expect Apple making few announcements about banning Universal from their store or something like that and that'd be the end of the story, if it even goes that far.
Man, kids griping about how tough it is to be a kid today should be drop-shipped into Bagdad or Sudan to see what they think about tough lives.
*builds dropships*
Oh man, I'm out of crystals and gas! Life is hard.
there are people who still believe in a flat Earth and will debate with anyone who will give them the chance.
There will always be people that believe Earth is flat. Because with the amount of information they have, there's always the possibility, that it IS flat.
Segregating those communities won't make anything better.
This is a problem of mass information, education, and so on. The thing is, why should everyone know Santa doesn't exist?
If it makes them happy, let it be.
If they want to build a Santa museum with 1000 photo realistic animatronic elfs, let it be.
If it'll cost them a billion in donations, let it be.
It's their thing, let them have their own beliefs. Try to inform them, but don't force it on them. This way, when the official science is wrong, truth will have a chance to survive.
It was not very long time ago when people were burned by officials for saying Earth is NOT flat.
Don't link to them. Don't give them the oxygen of publicity, of recognition.
This is what they are trying to do to science and evolution theory.
Instead of trying to censor them, how about widely publicizing them and doing an unbiased (as much as possible hehe) critique of what they are trying to convince people is the world.
Would you rather be naturally immune to an illness, or live in a plastic bubble protecting yourself from it. It's the age of information. The bubble can't survive, so you should.
Flash is older than the Internet. Flash has had it's chance; let it die gracefully please.
HTML is older than the Internet. HTML has had it's chance; let id die gracefully please.
Yea... empty words are also older than the Internet. Empty words has had it's chance; now let market economics work its way and stop talking BS please. Flash is still pretty alive and kicking.
In other words... what might succeed at doing exactly what Java and Flash promised to do, but have failed?
You're signing out Flash too quickly. I'd say give it a chance. I mean Flash 9 and Flex 2 are out just couple of months ago and Adobe also donated their supposedly (for Flash haters) "crappy" Flash 9 JS engine to Firefox, which will replace SpiderMonkey in the near future.
Flash currently has the best ECMA4 implementation out there, and fastest. And it's available right now, today, on all browsers, on Windows, Mac and Linux.
I've been working on a server 2003 system that we've had to tweak and fiddle with for over a month to get a couple of applications to work properly, and we're still working on them. There are a couple more that will not work and have to be abandoned. These are older applications, so that could be the problem, but they were running on server 2000. No one can tell me that they are 100% compatible, because they are not.
Do you know what this means. That in most cases those apps were not coded properly. Let's take IE7 for example. People scream how it breaks apps left and right.
I tested 30 of my existing sites, some involving relatively complex CSS and JS ("ajax") functionality. I haven't found a single flaw. That shocked me, you know? No issues whatsoever, after all doomsday reports about IE7 being so incompatible.
The reason is many people don't code to specs, don't code to standards, don't code to API's. They just code and tweak until it seems to work and then move on. The reasons are plenty: lack of experience, lack of time and so on.
Still, when you use the tools (in my case HTML/CSS/JS) you're provided with in the way they were meant to be used, there's a huge chance your apps will work with future versions.
If you rely on race conditions, hacks, or pure luck, this is virtually impossible to be backwards compatible with, although apparently MS tries hard to do that as well.
I guess you're still missing the point. If Microsoft removes backwards compatibility, Linux won't magically become a viable option at all.
99.99% of those businesses just won't upgrade. To anything. Ever. I still know banks which use MS DOS 6.0 based software for critical tasks.
Convergenece is not something to bet your life on. I have a K750, which I think still is considered relatively high end (or well, it was an year or so ago).
That doesn't stop me from having backup nokia, and DSLR camera for more special occasions. If the K750 would wreck (not a glitch so far though), I have replacement.
The ultimate use is - convenience, nothing more. While it works, having a camera and mp3 player in your phone is not bad at all.
Geode is a baseline platform good for set top boxes and kiosks, it fails it as a true PC computing platform.
Hello. I'm writing this from AMD K5 100 MHz. Yes. 100 MHz.
8MB RAM.
Do you think it's impossible to use? It's certainly not the machine I use for 3D and Photoshop design, but still I managed to get ermm "informed" by Slashdot, and post a responce.
How powerful a Geode is? It's certainly better than AMD K5 100 MHz.
Verdict from last time:
No they can't run linux, linux is not something you use to fly a shuttle with people in it, can't support the hardware and it was written 30 years ago.
And no, it's not easy to fix bugs in a piece of software like this.
If they're so anal about getting the sound "just right", why wouldn't the last step of the install process just ask you to pick a sound scheme out of a set of 10 or so different styles.
Hell they could even be the SAME notes, but with different instruments to suit the user's taste.
It's branding. It would be like it asking you to pick one of 10 or so Windows logos during install.
Not that it's terrible, but while the background strings are ok, those four tones are like icepicks poking my ears.
:P Good thing they decided to make it optional.
It physically hurts to hear that over and over
This seems to underscore Microsoft's focus on flashiness over function, to me.
What is "this", which underscores Microsoft's focus on flashiness to you? That Robert Fripp spent 18 months on it? That they did an article about it?
Oh no! How could they've an article about it and so on, when Robert Fripp and that clueless reporter should be working on improving the security of Windows Vista!
Get a clue.
Let the civil jurisdiction deal with it, because it certainly isn't something that is worthy of jail time.
Can you give me reasons why it's not "worthy of jail time"? Because it's too easy? I can kill someone easily too by throwing a knife at them. It doesn't mean it's not worthy of jail time.
Someone went out of their way to cause signifigant damage to a business or a person. It's certainly a crime.
The submission takes a bunch of half truthes, wishfull thinking and hope for revenge and throws it altogether to make a stew designed to rile up the /. reader. Don't bite.
:P
You can say than for almost all of the submissions here
Really, this is not a news site for a long time now.
Actually, it has been anounced that Apollo will be based on WebKit, the framework that is behind Apple's Safari. They will be using the open source version rather than Apple's internal version, but the differences are minor.
Interesting, didn't know that. It's strange that of all browsers on the market, Adobe will pick the least popular one, and one which needs a lot of work before it even runs on Windows (I know work is being done on it, but it's far from done).
For those who don't follow the project tightly, there are indeed a slew of implications.
.NET or Java runtime. Or well, Adobe wants you to think that.
On the side of Mozilla, it means much faster, JIT JS engine, and since you know that Firefox's XUL depends heavily on JS to run, it may have big impact on the performance of Firefox as a whole and change the perception some have of Firefox as "bloated" and "slow".
This is just a guess though. Here's what's really fun.
Adobe is now working on its next generation "web platform", code named Apollo. Apollo's long term goals are to merge Flash, HTML/JS/CSS and PDF in one single "web platform", for internet applications.
Apollo is not a browser, you can think of it sort of like the
The first version of Apollo is not going to merge all three technologies into one, but it'll integrate them to work together. This means, you can have Apollo app that is based on AJAX with flash in it. Or Flash project with HTML in it. Or, I guess, Flash with PDF in it.. All sorts of combinations.
Adobe announced that they will NOT develop a browser on their own for Apollo, and that they are researching what to use.
I'll be honest, I thought it's apparent they'll pick Opera. Opera is faster than Firefox, it's portable to mobile platforms (and this is important to Adobe), and both Macromedia and Adobe have rich partnership with Opera already.
For example, Dreamweaver's WYSIWYG on Mac used to be Opera for a long time, and maybe it still is (on Windows, as far as I know, it's custom built).
And even now, the entire help system of Adobe uses built-in Opera browser. Even their "Bridge" image browser, is in fast running on Opera.
But now, as they contribute big chunks of Flash 9 (the script engine) to Mozilla, it means only one thing: Adobe has decided on a browser.
Apollo will feature a version of Gecko with Tamarin for a script engine.
Currently Adobe Reader (PDF) uses SpiderMonkey for its script engine, but when Tamarin is good enough to replace SpikerMonkey in Firefox, it'll be good enough to do it in Adobe Reader.
Hence, one step forward towards Adobe's vision of unified HTML/Flash/PDF platform. Interesting times.