I agree that sales tax is the most regressive, and agree with you and Webster about "onerous", but still maintain that that property tax, at least on one's home, is the most onerous, if not to society than at least to those who lose their homes because of it.
This is a painful subject for me. There's a foreclosure hearing for my house coming up this month, and part of what got me behind (besides my own stupidity) was property tax.
Believe me, THAT is the most onerous thing in my life right now, even worse than going blind in my good eye (the sight is returning, it was up to 20/30 at yesterday's exam). I'll probably have to rent come next October. This is as painful as my divorce was.
No they didn't. Mosaic was the first browser, and it used bookmarks. Netscape came next, and it, too, used bookmarks. Microsoft came after Netscape and changed "bookmarks" to "favorites".
I don't know where you got the idea Microsoft had the first browser. They were a "me too" also ran. BTW, Excel wasn't the first spreadsheet, either, and Word wasn't the first word processor.
Then that's not an exclusive right in the sense that you're using it. It's an exclusive right in the legal sense (but right back at the point: the right to exclude is the fundamental definition of property.
property/prprti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[prop-er-tee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation -noun, plural -ties. 1. that which a person owns; the possession or possessions of a particular owner: They lost all their property in the fire. 2. goods, land, etc., considered as possessions: The corporation is a means for the common ownership of property. 3. a piece of land or real estate: property on Main Street. 4. ownership; right of possession, enjoyment, or disposal of anything, esp. of something tangible: to have property in land. 5. something at the disposal of a person, a group of persons, or the community or public: The secret of the invention became common property. 6. an essential or distinctive attribute or quality of a thing: the chemical and physical properties of an element. 7. Logic. a. any attribute or characteristic. b. (in Aristotelian logic) an attribute not essential to a species but always connected with it and with it alone.
8. Also called prop. a usually movable item, other than costumes or scenery, used on the set of a theater production, motion picture, etc.; any object handled or used by an actor in a performance. 9. a written work, play, movie, etc., bought or optioned for commercial production or distribution. 10. a person, esp. one under contract in entertainment or sports, regarded as having commercial value: an actor who was a hot property at the time.
The dictionary says you're wrong.
'Ownership' is a word difficult to parse. When you "own" a three-hole-punch, that's really just a metonymic relationship with the power that enforces that relationship. In our society, that's the law.
No, that's not the law. Again, the dictionary shows you're wrong. Your statement shows you're immoral as well; by your definition, ownership doesn't exist and there's nothing wrong with your stealing something from me.
You might want to look up "parse" in your dictionary as well.
ownership/onrp/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[oh-ner-ship] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation -noun 1. the state or fact of being an owner. 2. legal right of possession; proprietorship.
Like Bill Clinton, You must be a lawyer. Nobody but a lawyer argues about the meaning of common words like "is", "sex", "property", or "ownership". Normal people (as well as us nerds) use the dictionary to settle arguments about the definitions of words. And there are several good ones on the internet.
As an aside, Income tax was introduced as a small tax (I believe the original law set it at a flat rate of 7%) for the wealthy
My grandparents could remember a time without income tax. Grandpa was born in 1896, Grandma was born in 1903 shortly before the Wright brothers flew the first airplane. I may be old, but I'm not so conservative as to want to conserve everything, not even tech. I was 53 when I wrote Good Riddance to Bad Tech.
I maintain property tax, at least on one's home, is a bad idea. I also maintain that even though income tax is historically new, it's still the least onerous of all taxes. You need your home all your life, and as a geezer I can tell you that there's no way in hell anyone can plan their whole life out. Shit happens.
Orion A mock-up of the Orion space capsule heads to its temporary home in a hangar at NASA's Langley Research Center in Hampton, Va.
In late 2008, the full-size structural model will be jettisoned off a simulated launch pad at the U.S. Army's White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico to test the spacecraft's astronaut escape system, which will ensure a safe, reliable method of escape for astronauts in case of an emergency.
NASA's Constellation program is building the Orion crew vehicle to carry humans to the International Space Station by 2015 and to the moon beginning in 2020.
Image Credit: NASA/Sean Smith
Actually the thing looks pretty big compared to the Apollo capsules. They have one of those on display at the Kennedy Space Center, I'm not claustrophobic but I wouldn't want to be cooped up in one long enough to get to the moon.
Naturally, there are some ethical concerns over some potential applications for this technology
Whose code of ethics are they following here? The legal profession's? The medical profession's? The psychiatric profession's? The military's? All these organizations have different codes of ethics. Who's concerned that this may be against their code of ethics?
Well then, if it's worthless, you should simply give up your copyright on it, rather than keeping it from the public.
I would if I still had a copy. All I have a copy of concerning it is the documentation stating that I have copyright. The other is going to be reworked in javascript and licensed with a Creative Commons copyright.
You don't need a service to distribute something, because computers do it so very naturally.
Computers can't distribute printed volumes and CDs. That is what we need publishers for. If a million MP3 downloads sell ten CDs, then that's ten CDs' worth of profit. It doesn't matter than nobody made any money off the download.
But I agree, we don't need publishers for "content". We only need publishers for the physical media that hold the content.
Ideas cannot be owned - 99% of them are not original, chances are that ANY idea that you've had... has occurred to at least ONE other person in the past.
I wish you'ld tell legislators that. The insane copyright terms make for a barren landscape for creative types.
Just as Newton (among others before him) said "If I see farther than other men, it is because I stand on the shoulders of giants" referring to science, the same is true for painters, writers, mucisians, programmers, and all other artists and artisans.
Having insanely long copyright terms benefits publishers at the expense of artists and society in general.
Maybe in your country, but in the US you're dead wrong. The US Constitution says "To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;"
If you rent a home, you have exclusive right to that home but you don't own it. If the founding fathers meant that one could own content, it would have read "granting ownership" instead of "securing for limited times the exclusive right".
I asked in another thread why, in this light, a law school had "intellectial property" in its name and Ray Beckerman (AKA "NewYorkCountyLawyer") responded (and I'm paraphrasing here) that it was just a name, not descriptive.
The efforlessness of reproduction does not nullify the ownership of content, but the US Constitution does.
In Missouri you pay propertty tax on your car. In Illinois you don't.
Property tax is the most onerous of all taxes. You don't pay income tax unless you make money, you don't pay sales tax unless you have money to spend, but if you don't have money for property tax you can lose* your home.
Please don't advocate that I have to pay property tax on my imaginary property. None of it in any way brings in revinue, and one of the two works I've registered is on a software program for a computer that has been obsolete for a quarter century.
Considering all the gibberish I've spread all over the internet since 1997 (sorry guys, still no new./ journal, having a hard time topping the last one) I'd be living in a cardboard box starving to death if I had to pay tax on my copyrights.
-mcgrew
*If you leave your door unlocked you'll loose your home.
In the US, under its copyright law your record label automatically has copyright on your recording. Phonorecords are "works for hire". You can get forms from the US Copyright office, send the competed form with two copied of the work and thirty dollars (if they haven't raised it again) and you will be sent documantation and an ISBN number that will stand up in court. Register your work with them, self-published, and it's yours.
Again, if you sign with a record label, THEY own copyright to YOUR work.
I hold two registered copyrights (as well as countless unregistered ones; most work is automatically granted copyright without the documents), both for software. I had one of the programs posted on my web site but I ran out of room. The other one is for obsolete hardware and has no vaklue at all any more.
Good god, if this is corruption then about 95% of the people in middle and upper management should be in jail.
Well, maybe 95% of people in management SHOULD be in jail, but you don't have to break the law to be corrupt. Committing adultery with your competitor's wife isn't illegal in Illinois, but it's sure as hell corrupt and immoral.
Not everything immoral is illegal, and not everything illegal is immoral. Wales' sin wasn't breaking the law, but breaking a policy he, himself, wrote. What he did wasn't illegal, its immorality is questionable, but it most certainly is unethical by the very definition of the word.
BTW, Why is it legal to have sex with my congressman's wife but illegal to pay her for it?
This article is a filthy Image whore. This article has been with way too many images. This article would be right at home on the streets of Bangkok sucking someone off for $3. Hell, you may even get lucky with this article.
This article may have something to do with The lore and faerie tale of Wikiland and its noble and majestik King Jimbo I. Then again, it might not. Who knows?"
"I gave him a small penis after he reverted my entries." ~ God on Jimbo Wales
"Imagine a world where every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. I expect this to occur next year, barring unforseen -- what are you staring at, punk? You actually think you could take my idealistic ass? I'd like to see you try." ~ Jimmy Wales
"We make internet access to porn not suck" ~ Jimmy Wales on "www.Bomis.com," his adult internet search engine.
Jimbo Wales, Prince of the United States is a well-known huckster, con-man and dictator of Wikiland, who has adopted a lifestyle of libertinage, debauchery, nudism, international travel, kitten huffing and Ferrari connoisseurship by standing on the shoulders of a million nerds; although he simply describes himself as a "rockstar, but without the sex and drugs"[1]. He is a high-ranking member both of the GNAA,NAMBLA and among the leaders of the Sicilian Mafia, and frequently trolls the satirical "encyclopedia" Wikipedia as part of his official duties. He is well known for his amusing stunts. These include editing his own biography to pretend that he actually came up with the whole idea, and accusing people of killing JFK and Gerald Ford. His account has been locked thricewise and twain for vandalism and replacing entire pages with the phrase TROLLS AER THE 13347 several hundred times. His most memorable vandalism was his repeated claim on the Wikipedia page for Uncyclopedia that Uncyclopedia was, in fact, a parody site of Wikipedia. Even though, in fact, it is the other way around, Jones imprinted some kind of malicious code on the edit page, locking the statement in place for all to see. For a brief time, he was thought to have been directly involved in the Kennedy assassinations of both John, and his brother, John 2.0. Nothing was ever proven.
Hey, if I download that and put it in my car and run into a telephone pole does that save me the cash for car repairs? Damn I'm downloading that sucker right now!
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Your comment should have been modded up. Copyright was supposed to protect authors against publishers, not the other way around.
I agree that sales tax is the most regressive, and agree with you and Webster about "onerous", but still maintain that that property tax, at least on one's home, is the most onerous, if not to society than at least to those who lose their homes because of it.
This is a painful subject for me. There's a foreclosure hearing for my house coming up this month, and part of what got me behind (besides my own stupidity) was property tax.
Believe me, THAT is the most onerous thing in my life right now, even worse than going blind in my good eye (the sight is returning, it was up to 20/30 at yesterday's exam). I'll probably have to rent come next October. This is as painful as my divorce was.
Just because I have money today doesn't mean I'll have money ten years from now.
Everyone else came after IE
No they didn't. Mosaic was the first browser, and it used bookmarks. Netscape came next, and it, too, used bookmarks. Microsoft came after Netscape and changed "bookmarks" to "favorites".
I don't know where you got the idea Microsoft had the first browser. They were a "me too" also ran. BTW, Excel wasn't the first spreadsheet, either, and Word wasn't the first word processor.
The dictionary says you're wrong.
'Ownership' is a word difficult to parse. When you "own" a three-hole-punch, that's really just a metonymic relationship with the power that enforces that relationship. In our society, that's the law.
No, that's not the law. Again, the dictionary shows you're wrong. Your statement shows you're immoral as well; by your definition, ownership doesn't exist and there's nothing wrong with your stealing something from me.
You might want to look up "parse" in your dictionary as well.Like Bill Clinton, You must be a lawyer. Nobody but a lawyer argues about the meaning of common words like "is", "sex", "property", or "ownership". Normal people (as well as us nerds) use the dictionary to settle arguments about the definitions of words. And there are several good ones on the internet.
As an aside, Income tax was introduced as a small tax (I believe the original law set it at a flat rate of 7%) for the wealthy
My grandparents could remember a time without income tax. Grandpa was born in 1896, Grandma was born in 1903 shortly before the Wright brothers flew the first airplane. I may be old, but I'm not so conservative as to want to conserve everything, not even tech. I was 53 when I wrote Good Riddance to Bad Tech.
I maintain property tax, at least on one's home, is a bad idea. I also maintain that even though income tax is historically new, it's still the least onerous of all taxes. You need your home all your life, and as a geezer I can tell you that there's no way in hell anyone can plan their whole life out. Shit happens.
>ducks<
It was Nasa's picture of the day yesterday.Actually the thing looks pretty big compared to the Apollo capsules. They have one of those on display at the Kennedy Space Center, I'm not claustrophobic but I wouldn't want to be cooped up in one long enough to get to the moon.
-mcgrew
Naturally, there are some ethical concerns over some potential applications for this technology
Whose code of ethics are they following here? The legal profession's? The medical profession's? The psychiatric profession's? The military's? All these organizations have different codes of ethics. Who's concerned that this may be against their code of ethics?
There are certainly moral concerns.
Well then, if it's worthless, you should simply give up your copyright on it, rather than keeping it from the public.
I would if I still had a copy. All I have a copy of concerning it is the documentation stating that I have copyright. The other is going to be reworked in javascript and licensed with a Creative Commons copyright.
You don't need a service to distribute something, because computers do it so very naturally.
Computers can't distribute printed volumes and CDs. That is what we need publishers for. If a million MP3 downloads sell ten CDs, then that's ten CDs' worth of profit. It doesn't matter than nobody made any money off the download.
But I agree, we don't need publishers for "content". We only need publishers for the physical media that hold the content.
Ideas cannot be owned - 99% of them are not original, chances are that ANY idea that you've had ... has occurred to at least ONE other person in the past.
I wish you'ld tell legislators that. The insane copyright terms make for a barren landscape for creative types.
Just as Newton (among others before him) said "If I see farther than other men, it is because I stand on the shoulders of giants" referring to science, the same is true for painters, writers, mucisians, programmers, and all other artists and artisans.
Having insanely long copyright terms benefits publishers at the expense of artists and society in general.
Maybe in your country, but in the US you're dead wrong. The US Constitution says "To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;"
If you rent a home, you have exclusive right to that home but you don't own it. If the founding fathers meant that one could own content, it would have read "granting ownership" instead of "securing for limited times the exclusive right".
I asked in another thread why, in this light, a law school had "intellectial property" in its name and Ray Beckerman (AKA "NewYorkCountyLawyer") responded (and I'm paraphrasing here) that it was just a name, not descriptive.
The efforlessness of reproduction does not nullify the ownership of content, but the US Constitution does.
Yeah, world. I think it's still Monday.
In Missouri you pay propertty tax on your car. In Illinois you don't.
./ journal, having a hard time topping the last one) I'd be living in a cardboard box starving to death if I had to pay tax on my copyrights.
Property tax is the most onerous of all taxes. You don't pay income tax unless you make money, you don't pay sales tax unless you have money to spend, but if you don't have money for property tax you can lose* your home.
Please don't advocate that I have to pay property tax on my imaginary property. None of it in any way brings in revinue, and one of the two works I've registered is on a software program for a computer that has been obsolete for a quarter century.
Considering all the gibberish I've spread all over the internet since 1997 (sorry guys, still no new
-mcgrew
*If you leave your door unlocked you'll loose your home.
Damn, I forgot this was /. I forgot the <joke> tag. My bad.
In the US, under its copyright law your record label automatically has copyright on your recording. Phonorecords are "works for hire". You can get forms from the US Copyright office, send the competed form with two copied of the work and thirty dollars (if they haven't raised it again) and you will be sent documantation and an ISBN number that will stand up in court. Register your work with them, self-published, and it's yours.
Again, if you sign with a record label, THEY own copyright to YOUR work.
I hold two registered copyrights (as well as countless unregistered ones; most work is automatically granted copyright without the documents), both for software. I had one of the programs posted on my web site but I ran out of room. The other one is for obsolete hardware and has no vaklue at all any more.
You're absolutely right. Not a single word about Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, steroids, or crack! How can it possibly be "news"?
Good god, if this is corruption then about 95% of the people in middle and upper management should be in jail.
Well, maybe 95% of people in management SHOULD be in jail, but you don't have to break the law to be corrupt. Committing adultery with your competitor's wife isn't illegal in Illinois, but it's sure as hell corrupt and immoral.
Not everything immoral is illegal, and not everything illegal is immoral. Wales' sin wasn't breaking the law, but breaking a policy he, himself, wrote. What he did wasn't illegal, its immorality is questionable, but it most certainly is unethical by the very definition of the word.
BTW, Why is it legal to have sex with my congressman's wife but illegal to pay her for it?
2) Even by blog standards
Are you referring to Ralph Blog, god of the hangover, who you pray to at the porcelain alter?
The difference between Jimmy Wales and Paris Hilton is Jimmy Wales actually did something that benefitted the word.
I mean, besides porn.
So we've Godwinned a thread that talks about Jimmy Wales "evil plot" to take 3 people out to an expensive dinner
Damn, $1300 for four people? And I thought my girlfriends were fat! Poor Jimmy!
Godwin would have, too.
Bye bye karma, it was nice knowin' ya!
Hey, if I download that and put it in my car and run into a telephone pole does that save me the cash for car repairs? Damn I'm downloading that sucker right now!