It will probably be a fine and some community service, along with the stain on their records for being convicted of a crime, which would doubtfully make a positive impression upon prospective employers, unless Enron and Arthur Anderson were still in business.
Enron and Arthur Anderson are the rule these days, not the exception. Money is no longer a tool, it's now our national religion. Anything is forgivable if done for money, nothing is forgivable if done for any reason besides money.
For a different take, "Hey Jim, I'll give you $2000 Friday if you loan me $1000 today so I can buy some cocaine and resell it."
Jim is my friend Mike's brother, and spent five years of a ten year sentence in a Federal pennitentiary for conspiracy to distribute cocaine. The dope dealer he loaned the money to who had been the town's biggest dope dealer fro twenty years spent two years in a different prison.
"Justice" is a funny word to use for our legal system.
Did he shoot someone, as the thief in your 7-11 story did? Did anyone die? Did anyone go to the hospital? No, the charges were all nonviolent; the very worst thing he did was take money to change someone else's grade.
OTOH a couple of decades ago here in Springfield I had a friend named Danny, who drove a cab. He was taking a fare to the housing project and a gang banger walked up, put a gun to his chest, and demanded money. Danny had just started his shift and only had fifty cents on him (cabbies don't make much money here).
The gun went off and the robber ran on foot. Danny was dead. They caught the robber, who claimed the gun went off accidentally. He spent two years in jail, I lost a friened.
So unless this guy caused someone's death, no, twenty years is far, far too much.
-mcgrew
PS: My present roommate is also a cab driver. If someone shoots her, I may be the one to go to prison, for vigilantism. Two years was not enough to pay for Danny's life, although I imagine as soon as his murderer got out of jail he likely went right back in for shooting someone else. Life sucks sometimes. If anyone shot Amy I'd lose a friend AND the money she pays me for rent!
A half an hour or so later I arrived at the facility, swearing, with air conditioners in tow. To my amazement there were two guys standing outside in the snow waiting for me.
"What the fuck do you need a God damned air conditioner in the snow for? I demanded.
"Oh, man," one replied excitedly, "this is so cool. You have to see it!" These guys were bouncing around like kids at a birthday party. One showed me around as the other hooked up the hoses from the air conditioners and turned them on.
Inside was what looked like a library. Every room was filled with rows and rows of what appeared to be bookshelves. However, instead of books, these shelves held printed circuit boards. There must have been thousands of them. I was duly impressed, and had nerdily forgotten about the beer I had wanted so badly.
"Cool. But what is it for?" I asked.
"Ahh," he said, "come in here," and led me to yet another room. This room was huge, and had little in it that I recognized. It was straight out of a science fiction movie, only less corny looking.
"Ok," I replied stupidly, "what is it?"
"It's a C5 simulator! Come on inside!"
And inside the contraption was the cockpit of a C-5A cargo plane, at the time the largest aircraft in the world. We had several C5s there at Dover, which was, of course, why they needed a C5 simulator. And two SUV sized air conditioners to cool the contraption's circuitry.
It was identical to a C5 cockpit, right down to the bolts and carpets. The only difference was that the windows were ground glass rather than clear, for projecting images on.
They let me "fly" it. It was incredible! It sat on hydraulics, so when you accelerated, it felt like acceleration. Likewise banking, diving, etc. You could even crash the thing! This was even cooler than the other computer I had seen back when I was 12.
That's true, but $200k is a bit outside median income while $40k is solid lower middle class, where most people are. Yeah, there's a market for yachts, but you can sell a lot more bass boats. Most of the computer game companies are selling yachts and bass boats are scarce.
As to hobbies, well, it's not often that one is forced to but new equipment for that home theater. But my point wasn't a slam at gamers by any means, it was a staetement that the game developers could make a hell of a lot more money of they'd stop being elitist.
I wasn't after the shiniest graphics, I was after a sequel to a fifteen year old game I'd loved that would no longer play on my present day equipment. Its developers were after shiny graphics, alas.
No offense, but your argument's not that good, or maybe I'm not understanding your point
If you don't understand his point, how is his argument any good? Me, I got two paragraphs down without his actually saying anything before my eyes glazed over. But then again I don't do Monday very well.
See, that's where they're making their mistake. Not gamers, but developers. The developers are only selling to hobbyists, when they could be selling to people just looking for a little recreation.
I never got into the MMOLPs because I was afreaid of being sucked into the addiction. Instead of selling crack, game developers should be selling twinkies.
With crack in them. They're shooing away many people they could get hooked.
Midwest, where house prices haven't quite gotten as insane as elsewhere. Also I live alone (usually) so don't need a mansion. And I bought my very nice car used.
If you have trade secrets on your web server, the spy is the least of your problems.
OK, bad joke, I know we're talking about the file server here, but why would a spy be in the server room? Wouldn't he be a lot less notcable logging in from an empty office? Or better yet, an empty office whose owner has just left his machine for the rest room?
What do you mean, RTFA? This is slashdot, we don't need no FAs!
Arguing with me about religion is like a blind man arguing with me about the color red. You don't believe in the color red? Fine. I don't care. I'm not going to argue about it.
Ahem, argument's already been automated. In fact, I wrote the program, and did so in 1982. Where the hell have you guys been? It's a turing machine program that's supposed to simulate thinking withiut actually being able to think, much like a flight simulator simulates flight without leaving the ground.
I wrote it in a vain attempt to convince people that computers don't think. Unfortunately it usually has the opposite effect. "Thanks, mcgrew", they say, "now my fucking computer hates me!"
-mcgrew (no longer charging for the program, but it's still copyrighted. I dream of catching an RIAA lawyer infringeing...)
The people designing these games are losing money (maybe in this case "loosing money" would be appropriate) for what? I just don't get it. The elitist attitude is what got me to stop playing PC games in the first place.
In 1990 when I first started playing games on a PC, a computer like the one in my living room now took a dedicated building and was called a "supercomputer", yet I can't play a new game on it. And the new game cost sixty bucks.
Now, I used to be into gaming; some of you may remember the old Quake site th Springfield Fragfest. But here's where the absolutel stupidity of the game designers comes in: they design for the next generation of machines. This gains teh hardware manufacturers dosh, at the expense of game designers who can't even sell me a game any more, let alone Joe Normalguy.
A game called Screamer 2 is an excellent example of why their designing for the next generation is stupid. When it came out (1997 IIRC), there wasn't a single PC in existance that could run it at its highest resolution. Today it would be a piece of cake - except that it is written for DOS and my Audigy isn't supported. No sound.
I still get Road Rash (1995) out once in a while. A fun game is fun. Developers, by designing for the next generation of equipment, are shutting out this generation of equipment, as well as most of their possible audience. Design for this generation of equipment and sell the games for $15 instead of $60 and you'll sell a hundred times as many.
The parent poster has a troll name and a flamebait attitude, but the comment was insightful. Five hundred buicks IS a lot of money! Hell, that's more than my car payment, or any other of my bills except my mortgage, and the mortgage is only another sixty bucks over this needless expenditure.
I doubt if it would cost five hundred bucks to replace every part in my computer. Now I remember why I quit gaming - DOOM 3.
Fucking elitists. Mod me down, "-1, he's not a rich boy".
Here's a use of the word that's not: preventing access to emergency services because it affords you a little convenience is, literally, criminal.
Except that there are landlines, nobody's being prevented access to emergency services. YOUR statement is hyperbole! Also. You are confusing "wrong" with "illegal". Smoking pot is not immoral, but it's illegal. Adultery is perfectly legal in Illinois, but it's still WRONG.
Besides, while I can see the harm of a cellphone ring during a live theatrical performance, such as a play or an opera, it's merely an annoyance during a movie.
There's no difference between a live play and a movie. I'm not there for the performers, they're there for me. I'm paying. The people in the audience are the ones who matter, not the ones on stage. And WTF do you think gives you the right to annoy me, asshole?
And as far as restaurants are concerned, well, it's not like asking the offending patron to STFU is going to stop the globe from spinning.
It's not going to make them STFU, either.
And sysadmins, doctors and other "on-call" professions have a right to eat, don't they?
They can eat at home. They're getting paid a premium to be on call, I'm not getting paid a premium for them to be. They can stay the hell out of the movies and restaraunts when they need to be on call instead of ruining MY good time that I'M not being paid a premium to have screwed up, don't they have a DVD and a TV? If you get an "on call" call and interrupt my movie, hey, you're getting paid for it. Reimburse my ticket price and I MAY forgive your cluelessly rude ass. I hate the superiority complex. I don't give a shit if your server goes down and you have no right to interrupt MY evening if it does. Stay the hell home, or eat at a bar or McDoonalds or somewhere else where your phone won't ruin someone else's eveing, you fucking jerk.
Religious fanatic G.W.Bush has killed 100 times more people than religious fanatic Osama Bin Laden.
Neither one is a religious man. They both worship the same god, whose name is money. Bush has convinced Christians that he is a Christain so he could gain more wealth and power, and Bin Laden has convinced Muslims that he is a Muslim so he could gain more wealth and power. Christians and muslims simply don't kill people. Those who worship money and power do.
People don't talk in restaraunts at a normal volume, they talk softly (at least the less clueless do). People don't talk into cellphones at a normal volume either, they yell.
Clueless kids. There's a landline there, and at least one adult who's not got Al Sheimer's and remembers how to use a landline phone. If the jammer's in my pocket, it's going to be shut off until it's needed; if it's in my pocket it runs on batteries.
If the theater's a faraday cage and the hospital can't reach the doctor who's trying to watch a movie, there are more doctors. Let the poor schmuck have two uninterrupted hours to watch the moviie for God's sake!
Kids today, I swear, people get dumber every day. OMFG NO PHONERZ! I CAN"T BE REACHED! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!
So the sky's colors fade as I get to Marleys, and I see the dorky kid bartender from Dempseys, only instead of the backwards hat, he's wearing a white shirt and tie, yelling into a cell phone and gesturing wildly, completely oblivious to his surroundings. "Listen goddamned it you fucking asshole, I'm going to have all your fucking teeth pulled out, you got me? Now get the goddamned shit straight and no more fuckups!
Yeah, ask the dumb fucking dork to hold it down, that's really going to be effective.
You don't silence rude cell phone people by cutting off the cell phone universe. You don't stop obnoxious car drivers by blockading the interstate.
Rude behavior in your car is almost always illegal. Rude behavior on a cell phone is almost never illegal. Where there is no law, your only recourse is vigiliantism or bending over.
I want a pocket jammer, but what I want my jammer to do is put a 100hz tone right an the asstunnel's ear for about 1/16th of a second.
Phone call at McDonald's? I have no problem with that; the screaming brats are louder and far more obnoxious. In a theater? The damned theater should be built in a faraday cage. Nice restaraunt? That's where I'd want my pocket screamjammer!
So the sky's colors fade as I get to Marleys, and I see the dorky kid bartender from Dempseys, only instead of the backwards hat, he's wearing a white shirt and tie, yelling into a cell phone and gesturing wildly, completely oblivious to his surroundings. "Listen goddamned it you fucking asshole, I'm going to have all your fucking teeth pulled out, you got me? Now get the goddamned shit straight and no more fuckups!
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It's what the pimp doles out when you don't pay his hooker.
It will probably be a fine and some community service, along with the stain on their records for being convicted of a crime, which would doubtfully make a positive impression upon prospective employers, unless Enron and Arthur Anderson were still in business.
Enron and Arthur Anderson are the rule these days, not the exception. Money is no longer a tool, it's now our national religion. Anything is forgivable if done for money, nothing is forgivable if done for any reason besides money.
-mcgrew
For a different take, "Hey Jim, I'll give you $2000 Friday if you loan me $1000 today so I can buy some cocaine and resell it."
Jim is my friend Mike's brother, and spent five years of a ten year sentence in a Federal pennitentiary for conspiracy to distribute cocaine. The dope dealer he loaned the money to who had been the town's biggest dope dealer fro twenty years spent two years in a different prison.
"Justice" is a funny word to use for our legal system.
-mcgrew (courtroom drama in that link)
Did he shoot someone, as the thief in your 7-11 story did? Did anyone die? Did anyone go to the hospital? No, the charges were all nonviolent; the very worst thing he did was take money to change someone else's grade.
OTOH a couple of decades ago here in Springfield I had a friend named Danny, who drove a cab. He was taking a fare to the housing project and a gang banger walked up, put a gun to his chest, and demanded money. Danny had just started his shift and only had fifty cents on him (cabbies don't make much money here).
The gun went off and the robber ran on foot. Danny was dead. They caught the robber, who claimed the gun went off accidentally. He spent two years in jail, I lost a friened.
So unless this guy caused someone's death, no, twenty years is far, far too much.
-mcgrew
PS: My present roommate is also a cab driver. If someone shoots her, I may be the one to go to prison, for vigilantism. Two years was not enough to pay for Danny's life, although I imagine as soon as his murderer got out of jail he likely went right back in for shooting someone else. Life sucks sometimes. If anyone shot Amy I'd lose a friend AND the money she pays me for rent!
Only 21? How I envy you!
What really freakes the kids out is a 45. Bigger than a CD but only holds two songs!
-mcgrew
Damned kids today are so cowardly... (mutter mutter grumble mutter damned kids)
-mcgrew
PS- get off my lawn. And no, you can't have your balls back.
-mcgrew
Yes, you're right. A 12 guage shotgun has a larger bore than a 20 guage. Even larger than a sixteen guage.
I killed my first rabbit with a double barrelled sixteen guage shotgun.
That's true, but $200k is a bit outside median income while $40k is solid lower middle class, where most people are. Yeah, there's a market for yachts, but you can sell a lot more bass boats. Most of the computer game companies are selling yachts and bass boats are scarce.
As to hobbies, well, it's not often that one is forced to but new equipment for that home theater. But my point wasn't a slam at gamers by any means, it was a staetement that the game developers could make a hell of a lot more money of they'd stop being elitist.
I wasn't after the shiniest graphics, I was after a sequel to a fifteen year old game I'd loved that would no longer play on my present day equipment. Its developers were after shiny graphics, alas.
No offense, but your argument's not that good, or maybe I'm not understanding your point
If you don't understand his point, how is his argument any good? Me, I got two paragraphs down without his actually saying anything before my eyes glazed over. But then again I don't do Monday very well.
-mcgrew
See, that's where they're making their mistake. Not gamers, but developers. The developers are only selling to hobbyists, when they could be selling to people just looking for a little recreation.
I never got into the MMOLPs because I was afreaid of being sucked into the addiction. Instead of selling crack, game developers should be selling twinkies.
With crack in them. They're shooing away many people they could get hooked.
-mcgrew
Oh hell... you're right. I had another site I let lapse and had the file there. Sorry, can't fix it right now.
Midwest, where house prices haven't quite gotten as insane as elsewhere. Also I live alone (usually) so don't need a mansion. And I bought my very nice car used.
My biggest expense is crack whores.
If you have trade secrets on your web server, the spy is the least of your problems.
OK, bad joke, I know we're talking about the file server here, but why would a spy be in the server room? Wouldn't he be a lot less notcable logging in from an empty office? Or better yet, an empty office whose owner has just left his machine for the rest room?
What do you mean, RTFA? This is slashdot, we don't need no FAs!
-mcgrew
You should have seen the flak a boss of mine (now retired) got when he tried to explain Reverse Polish Notation to a non-nerd in the office.
-mcgrew
Arguing with me about religion is like a blind man arguing with me about the color red. You don't believe in the color red? Fine. I don't care. I'm not going to argue about it.
-mcgrew
Ahem, argument's already been automated. In fact, I wrote the program, and did so in 1982. Where the hell have you guys been? It's a turing machine program that's supposed to simulate thinking withiut actually being able to think, much like a flight simulator simulates flight without leaving the ground.
I wrote it in a vain attempt to convince people that computers don't think. Unfortunately it usually has the opposite effect. "Thanks, mcgrew", they say, "now my fucking computer hates me!"
-mcgrew (no longer charging for the program, but it's still copyrighted. I dream of catching an RIAA lawyer infringeing...)
The people designing these games are losing money (maybe in this case "loosing money" would be appropriate) for what? I just don't get it. The elitist attitude is what got me to stop playing PC games in the first place.
In 1990 when I first started playing games on a PC, a computer like the one in my living room now took a dedicated building and was called a "supercomputer", yet I can't play a new game on it. And the new game cost sixty bucks.
Now, I used to be into gaming; some of you may remember the old Quake site th Springfield Fragfest. But here's where the absolutel stupidity of the game designers comes in: they design for the next generation of machines. This gains teh hardware manufacturers dosh, at the expense of game designers who can't even sell me a game any more, let alone Joe Normalguy.
A game called Screamer 2 is an excellent example of why their designing for the next generation is stupid. When it came out (1997 IIRC), there wasn't a single PC in existance that could run it at its highest resolution. Today it would be a piece of cake - except that it is written for DOS and my Audigy isn't supported. No sound.
I still get Road Rash (1995) out once in a while. A fun game is fun. Developers, by designing for the next generation of equipment, are shutting out this generation of equipment, as well as most of their possible audience. Design for this generation of equipment and sell the games for $15 instead of $60 and you'll sell a hundred times as many.
-mcgrew
The parent poster has a troll name and a flamebait attitude, but the comment was insightful. Five hundred buicks IS a lot of money! Hell, that's more than my car payment, or any other of my bills except my mortgage, and the mortgage is only another sixty bucks over this needless expenditure.
I doubt if it would cost five hundred bucks to replace every part in my computer. Now I remember why I quit gaming - DOOM 3.
Fucking elitists. Mod me down, "-1, he's not a rich boy".
-mcgrew
Criminal? That's an hyperbole.
No, it's the law. There's no exaggeration.
Here's a use of the word that's not: preventing access to emergency services because it affords you a little convenience is, literally, criminal.
Except that there are landlines, nobody's being prevented access to emergency services. YOUR statement is hyperbole! Also. You are confusing "wrong" with "illegal". Smoking pot is not immoral, but it's illegal. Adultery is perfectly legal in Illinois, but it's still WRONG.
Besides, while I can see the harm of a cellphone ring during a live theatrical performance, such as a play or an opera, it's merely an annoyance during a movie.
There's no difference between a live play and a movie. I'm not there for the performers, they're there for me. I'm paying. The people in the audience are the ones who matter, not the ones on stage. And WTF do you think gives you the right to annoy me, asshole?
And as far as restaurants are concerned, well, it's not like asking the offending patron to STFU is going to stop the globe from spinning.
It's not going to make them STFU, either.
And sysadmins, doctors and other "on-call" professions have a right to eat, don't they?
They can eat at home. They're getting paid a premium to be on call, I'm not getting paid a premium for them to be. They can stay the hell out of the movies and restaraunts when they need to be on call instead of ruining MY good time that I'M not being paid a premium to have screwed up, don't they have a DVD and a TV? If you get an "on call" call and interrupt my movie, hey, you're getting paid for it. Reimburse my ticket price and I MAY forgive your cluelessly rude ass. I hate the superiority complex. I don't give a shit if your server goes down and you have no right to interrupt MY evening if it does. Stay the hell home, or eat at a bar or McDoonalds or somewhere else where your phone won't ruin someone else's eveing, you fucking jerk.
Religious fanatic G.W.Bush has killed 100 times more people than religious fanatic Osama Bin Laden.
Neither one is a religious man. They both worship the same god, whose name is money. Bush has convinced Christians that he is a Christain so he could gain more wealth and power, and Bin Laden has convinced Muslims that he is a Muslim so he could gain more wealth and power. Christians and muslims simply don't kill people. Those who worship money and power do.
-mcgrew
People don't talk in restaraunts at a normal volume, they talk softly (at least the less clueless do). People don't talk into cellphones at a normal volume either, they yell.
-mcgrew
If the theater's a faraday cage and the hospital can't reach the doctor who's trying to watch a movie, there are more doctors. Let the poor schmuck have two uninterrupted hours to watch the moviie for God's sake!
Kids today, I swear, people get dumber every day. OMFG NO PHONERZ! I CAN"T BE REACHED! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!
mcgrew
PS- from the linked diary:Yeah, ask the dumb fucking dork to hold it down, that's really going to be effective.
Rude behavior in your car is almost always illegal. Rude behavior on a cell phone is almost never illegal. Where there is no law, your only recourse is vigiliantism or bending over.
I want a pocket jammer, but what I want my jammer to do is put a 100hz tone right an the asstunnel's ear for about 1/16th of a second.
Phone call at McDonald's? I have no problem with that; the screaming brats are louder and far more obnoxious. In a theater? The damned theater should be built in a faraday cage. Nice restaraunt? That's where I'd want my pocket screamjammer!
Of course, if there were some law against shouting in a public place and the police actually enforced the law, that would be a solution. But the cops here won't even enforce the jaywalking laws (yes, that's a letter from me), they're too busy with drugs.
-mcgrew