If windows went open source, Linux would be able to correctly use windows' drivers. Linux as well would go robust and performant. Some guys would even try crazy things like porting the shell to the Linux kernel, making WINE go accurate, etc. Open sourcing windows will help everyone, including the competition. But I also doubt windows will magically become robust or performant.
Lock-in is MS' bussiness model, so they open sourcing windows is as unlikely as heck - unless MS goes broke and they do this as their last favor (yeah right) - Of course, they might eventually move to pretend source (R) , just pretending to be open when it isn't. This wouldn't save windows beyond some marketing hype and wouldn't help anyone.
What? I thought MS was actively giving them to free for students and universities. As you know the students of today are the locked-in professionals of the future.
Go play a FPS and you'll find autoaim bots, wallhacks, and other assorted cheating tools. Corner a cheater and they'll complain about how they have a "real life" and can't spend all their time playing the game to get the skills to compete with other players. This is simply more of the same.
Citrix has MS ties so it is not a surprise a MS "blogger" would consider it as the only VM on earth.
The guy is basically saying that:
a) vista7 might still fail to convince users.
b) When MS notices this, they won't just go back to distributing updated windows XP, instead they will just hope companies are stupid enough to buy license from newer windows, license from mediocre VM, and keep license for windows XP just so their users stick to windows XP. This is of course quite naive, not all corporations have reached this level of stupidity, I am quite sure that:
Some will use other VMs (And there are many that are less expensive or better at this game)
Others will not be running seven/vista... You can do this on any host OS, if the user is just going to use the guest OS, who cares?
Others might get VERY smart and stick to just windows XP...
Even Microsoft is jumping on the bandwagon: the next version of Windows is intended to do the same as the last version, Vista, but to run faster and use fewer resources. If so, it will be the first version of Windows that makes computers run faster than the previous version
1. Take random article from news site
2. Somehow manage to make it justify a new slashdot story that includes a link to ooold blog promoting windows 7.
3. ?????
4. Profit / Win laptop ?
How is vista seven related to this at all? It didn't get faster for doing less... That article states clearly that it is just using a more responsive interface, I mean, come on!...
Don't ever expect migrating from MS is going to be smooth, MS' is software that is designed to screw you up for migrating to something else, expect some pains and costs, that's right, there are gonna be costs, that's the problem with MS software, the bill is usually bigger in the long term.
Also Lol @ the guy that seemed to advertize Novell's fork of open office because it had OOXML filters. News flash: so does Sun's OOo 3.0...
I agree with the suddenoutbreakofcommonsense, but that goes to Nokia, actually. Regarding this, how would you switch from gnome to QT? that won't make sense, guess they meant they would switch to KDE so that they will then make QT apps?
Next time try reading the comments already posted so you don't have to post an insanely long post full of stuff already debunked by the comments above, Thanks.
Whether Silverlight is better or not than flash is completely irrelevant here.
Slightly OT: In windows, even after logging in, there's just a huge spam of seconds (about 30) in which it is starting yet more programs, and you really can't expect firefox or IE or your favorite game to even start until this period goes off. Really annoying, and thus I consider this time as well when measuring windows' boot time.
Because Mark doesn't want ubuntu to be perceived as a cheap windows clone (*cough, remove Mono as well*) Nevertheless, it wouldn't have helped so much in this case anyway.
It is already intuitive, but it is not familiar, and nothing we could do will make this familiar. The issues this gal had were 100% about familiarity, all the intuitiveness in the world won't help you against a user that is convinced windows is the standard for everything.
This shows what Linux's real challenge is, and it is to battle into this amazing establishment windows has accomplished. First of all, Verizon will only care about providing a windows CD, users do not get this, and they will probably never get the fact, that it is Verizon's fault and not the OS, Verizon chose windows for her. But this gal and just about any windows user will blame the OS and not Verizon.
Second problem is the perception MS is some sort of standard. This gal was not looking to use a "word processor", she was looking to use MSWord. I can assure you that for all her homework of at least the first years OpenOffice will do just fine for her, but it doesn't matter how capable your apps are, if the user just does not intend to even try them.
Third problem, dell tech support, I think there was a misunderstanding between what she wanted to do and what dell perceived she wanted to do. The issue here is that not even dell is as experienced with ubuntu as it is with windows problems.
Fourth, unclear advertising, Let's accept it, but it is not wise to advertise these computers without having some words from the seller about how different is to use this OS to using windows. All we are going to get without clearer advertising is angry users - It is 100% that she is being an ignorant, but the real problem is that nobody should have sold this computer to this sort of user.
I think, that unfortunately these are the sort of issues that can't get solved with any other means than time. Or that will just not get solved. The whole IT is at fault for getting way too dependent on windows.
You are missing the small little fact she actually bought the ubuntu dell rather than receiving the CD on the mail.
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wxwidgets is a great option if you don't mind :
a) That your windows users need 9 MB more for DLLs in their packages.
b) That Linux users will have difficulty getting the wxwidgets version you are using
c)c) Dunno about other OSes, maybe they work completely fine on them, (That's aright, all of the non-windows, non-Linux OSes!)
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Hell no? LGPL is a superior option for libraries, but for normal apps GPL is even necessary, unless of course you agree to proprietary forks and stupid things like that, but then I doubt people that chose GPL for their projects would like that.
My sentiments as well. I for one think GPL is vital for core programs/stuff like the kernel , but other small projects , can really do great without the protections from the GPL. Just saying , in the case of a small game/app, hijack from proprietary companies is not a big threat anyway to justify the complications from the GPL, and it is great QT just got friendlier to this sort of apps.
I still like K3b much better, however, this does not matter from a desktop consistency perspective because:
a) Users don't notice the difference.
b) Projects like GTKQT and using QT as GTK engine, will allow both things to look mostly the same anyway. I for one use ubuntu gnome, and a lot of QT apps and really can't say it caused me any issues.
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You didn't get modded down because you said Linux is not good, you got modded down because of saying "Kopete is terrible" and no extra explanations, not to mention the insistent spam on the rest of the thread about your stupid attempt to call the GPL immoral mostly because you don't understand it. So, perhaps the sentiment from the guy who modded you down was not an "I disagree" but a "I hope this is a troll, else my faith of humanity would be gone"
You're being an idiot and hair-splitting in order to dodge the fact that the majority of software's "use" (by the creator) is at least in some form predicated on distribution
No, actually, you are resorting to flaming and starting to make things up (Such as that jewel I just quoted)ps because the fact that the GPL does not govern use but distribution shows two things:
You didn't really know heck about the GPL back when you were making your non-sense claims.
Your claims on the GPL being restrictive remain as the bunch of BS that it always was.
Try to actually know about a subject before opening your mouth next time. As of the current discussion, just give up, you are embarrassing yourself.
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If windows went open source, Linux would be able to correctly use windows' drivers. Linux as well would go robust and performant. Some guys would even try crazy things like porting the shell to the Linux kernel, making WINE go accurate, etc. Open sourcing windows will help everyone, including the competition. But I also doubt windows will magically become robust or performant.
Lock-in is MS' bussiness model, so they open sourcing windows is as unlikely as heck - unless MS goes broke and they do this as their last favor (yeah right) - Of course, they might eventually move to pretend source (R) , just pretending to be open when it isn't. This wouldn't save windows beyond some marketing hype and wouldn't help anyone.
There's already plenty of those?
What? I thought MS was actively giving them to free for students and universities. As you know the students of today are the locked-in professionals of the future.
Exchange being a real life windows killer app (As I can notice by posts in Linux forums) I actually think this is a necessary evil.
No, it isn't...
The guy is basically saying that:
1. Take random article from news site
2. Somehow manage to make it justify a new slashdot story that includes a link to ooold blog promoting windows 7.
3. ?????
4. Profit / Win laptop ?
How is vista seven related to this at all? It didn't get faster for doing less... That article states clearly that it is just using a more responsive interface, I mean, come on!...
New tag: writerwillwinalaptop
Don't ever expect migrating from MS is going to be smooth, MS' is software that is designed to screw you up for migrating to something else, expect some pains and costs, that's right, there are gonna be costs, that's the problem with MS software, the bill is usually bigger in the long term.
Also Lol @ the guy that seemed to advertize Novell's fork of open office because it had OOXML filters. News flash: so does Sun's OOo 3.0 ...
I agree with the suddenoutbreakofcommonsense, but that goes to Nokia, actually. Regarding this, how would you switch from gnome to QT? that won't make sense, guess they meant they would switch to KDE so that they will then make QT apps?
Next time try reading the comments already posted so you don't have to post an insanely long post full of stuff already debunked by the comments above, Thanks.
Whether Silverlight is better or not than flash is completely irrelevant here.
Slightly OT: In windows, even after logging in, there's just a huge spam of seconds (about 30) in which it is starting yet more programs, and you really can't expect firefox or IE or your favorite game to even start until this period goes off. Really annoying, and thus I consider this time as well when measuring windows' boot time.
Never, never , never do 64 bits Linux, at least not in the next few 10 years... Some tips:
I mean really, I am the Linux zealot but I don't think any human being should ever dare to use 64 bits on Linux.
I doubt ubuntu ever shipped with flash or nvidia's graphics stuff.
Because Mark doesn't want ubuntu to be perceived as a cheap windows clone (*cough, remove Mono as well*) Nevertheless, it wouldn't have helped so much in this case anyway.
It is already intuitive, but it is not familiar, and nothing we could do will make this familiar. The issues this gal had were 100% about familiarity, all the intuitiveness in the world won't help you against a user that is convinced windows is the standard for everything.
Second problem is the perception MS is some sort of standard. This gal was not looking to use a "word processor", she was looking to use MSWord. I can assure you that for all her homework of at least the first years OpenOffice will do just fine for her, but it doesn't matter how capable your apps are, if the user just does not intend to even try them.
Third problem, dell tech support, I think there was a misunderstanding between what she wanted to do and what dell perceived she wanted to do. The issue here is that not even dell is as experienced with ubuntu as it is with windows problems.
Fourth, unclear advertising, Let's accept it, but it is not wise to advertise these computers without having some words from the seller about how different is to use this OS to using windows. All we are going to get without clearer advertising is angry users - It is 100% that she is being an ignorant, but the real problem is that nobody should have sold this computer to this sort of user.
I think, that unfortunately these are the sort of issues that can't get solved with any other means than time. Or that will just not get solved. The whole IT is at fault for getting way too dependent on windows.
You are missing the small little fact she actually bought the ubuntu dell rather than receiving the CD on the mail.
a) That your windows users need 9 MB more for DLLs in their packages.
b) That Linux users will have difficulty getting the wxwidgets version you are using
c)c) Dunno about other OSes, maybe they work completely fine on them, (That's aright, all of the non-windows, non-Linux OSes!)
Hell no? LGPL is a superior option for libraries, but for normal apps GPL is even necessary, unless of course you agree to proprietary forks and stupid things like that, but then I doubt people that chose GPL for their projects would like that.
So long for your cross platform development intentions.
My sentiments as well. I for one think GPL is vital for core programs/stuff like the kernel , but other small projects , can really do great without the protections from the GPL. Just saying , in the case of a small game/app, hijack from proprietary companies is not a big threat anyway to justify the complications from the GPL, and it is great QT just got friendlier to this sort of apps.
I still like K3b much better, however, this does not matter from a desktop consistency perspective because:
a) Users don't notice the difference.
b) Projects like GTKQT and using QT as GTK engine, will allow both things to look mostly the same anyway. I for one use ubuntu gnome, and a lot of QT apps and really can't say it caused me any issues.
You didn't get modded down because you said Linux is not good, you got modded down because of saying "Kopete is terrible" and no extra explanations, not to mention the insistent spam on the rest of the thread about your stupid attempt to call the GPL immoral mostly because you don't understand it. So, perhaps the sentiment from the guy who modded you down was not an "I disagree" but a "I hope this is a troll, else my faith of humanity would be gone"
No, actually, you are resorting to flaming and starting to make things up (Such as that jewel I just quoted)ps because the fact that the GPL does not govern use but distribution shows two things:
Try to actually know about a subject before opening your mouth next time. As of the current discussion, just give up, you are embarrassing yourself.