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As a citizen of the US, let me say: no - thank *you*.
A citizen of the US is one who represents this country with pride. You may not agree with the poitical implications of the war in Iraq, but to discount the soldiers that provide the blanket of freedom you so enjoy is to discount the ideal of America, therefore not making you a cititzen of the US. Your just a citizen mouth-piece.
As a civilian (and a reader of history), let me say, whaaaaat? The only thing that stops our armies invading any resource-rich country they desire is the marine deaths. Ask any American, the death toll in Iraq is around about 3,000. They don't even consider the lives of the "enemy", or the civilians caught in the crossfire. Once that 3,000 figure was met, the opinion "back home" changed dramatically. Add one more zero to that, and you get the certified, double-checked list of civilian casualties. A number I've NEVER seen mentioned on TV news.
Wow! Social-Political overload. I can tell you read a lot of history; your evidence is so overwhelming and compeling. Heck..you should have a job with the NSA. I cant imagine why you arent president. Enlighten all of us; why would the "Marines Deaths" prevent "our Armies" from "invading resource rich countries?" As if the death of a fellow Marine or soldier really means something to you. To you its a number that you can use to make a point; to those who have served (including myself having spent 2 years in Iraq) they are what we refer to as friends...say it with me now...F-R-I-E-N-D-S...friends, yay you got it.
Do you honestly think these robots are going to make the world a safer place? You are talking about a future where our leaders can wage war without any repercussions? No fallout once the flag-draped coffins start getting fed-exed home? Surely as a veteran you realise that this cannot be good?
Do you honestly think the point of the robot is to make the WHOLE WORLD a safer place? Think smaller; think making the American soldier a safer person. Oh, "flag-draped coffins" dont come in Fed-X we use DHL now. That is the dumbest remark I have ever heard. They are fly in on military planes escorted by the military. Uhm...turn the page history reader. The book is better when you get past the cover
9-11 was a direct result of our meddling in the middle east. Now we have robots to do our dirty work, do you think that's going to improve the situation? Is it going to "win hearts & minds", "shock and awe" or just downright, extreme, suicidal hatred? Your children can answer that for you...
9-11 was not America's fault but thanks for that once again biased history lesson. Robots are not going to improve anything. That is not the point of the robots we use. The military uses them to take safty precautions so a life can be spared should the bomb go off. Would it be better if there were no robots so that you could add to that 3000 you so diligantly keep track of? God forbid we call these numbers people, worse American soldiers. So save the history lesson Aristotle; and spare us your blind, bias, judgemental and otherwise pointless view of the war in Iraq.
"I work in a mobile combat communications unit, while I'm not in the sandbox right now, I can attest to the DoD policy on blocking web access.
There are several levels of DoD blocking. First, the DoD policy on web access, policy, and security in general, very broad, next is the Departments level, i.e. Army, Navy, etc, then there is the base policy and then the command policy and unit policy all the way down to the company. The "general rule" is that no one can have policy rules lower then that of above. This means a platoons policy can not be more lax then the base policy. This sort of transitive policy based appliance leaves much room for interpretation at all levels of policy implementation. Every service is different, every level is different and every network right down to the hardware is different. So, when you talk about blocking you have to be very specific as it is nearly impossible to just nail down an exact, cut and dry policy. Web content filtering, ACL's and the likes are different from service to service and mission to mission.
First of all when you are down range don't expect to even get DSL speeds from a satellite, we usually roll with about 256kbs for the data side of our trunk.
This is too far from the truth depending on the environment. The Ku band in Iraq is quite substantial in fact the smallest direct BGP Sat link might be a T-1 up to 8 and 32Meg or so via a Sat package called the DKET. This is speaking for the Marine side by the way. Also lateral links are about 3Meg at the smallest level via another Ku Sat package. This of course has its caveats. At this level we are talking about a non-mobile infrastructure were as a mobile infrastructure would be a Microware shot thru a TSR or MUX link at anywhere from 96k to 512k or more depending on voice needs and breakdown of classified to unclassified network needs. (Data bandwidth is shared between the two types of DoD networks when multiplexed, voice generally rides its own trunk card thru the multiplexer, typically a Promina node does this multiplexing or at lower levels in the unit they have what is called an FCC multiplexer)
So blocking sites is very important, otherwise 4 or 5 people could start streaming audio and pretty much knock down any legitimate use of the network. We filter websites with smartfilter and yes the military system admins in the IPO office will unblock any web site that isn't blocked by local policy (no pr0n, no streaming audio, no civilian web mail: both the hot and the g varieties, and no chat programs; although irc is used by the DoD)
This is somewhat accurate. From the Corps standpoint, when I first went to Iraq this was not the case. We could chat all day long until it was "locked down". This is done at the BGP point via the highest headquarters out there, CentCom etc. Even then it isn't full proof, I found ways around it, i.e. bypass or just good ole bribing the E-3 at the terminal.
This is no Orwellian conspiracy, but quick and easy system administration; apply smartfilter: check! If you want to check the current smartfilter blocked sites goto: securecomputing and submit some sites to check."
Once again, take this with a grain of salt. Though this seems like it applies to all agencies and to all services at all times it really doesn't. The mobile and deployed units are in constant flex so nothing is really ever solidified when it comes to policy. The ONLY real way to know for sure is to go out there and site down behind their network and try it yourself, or ask someone you know out there to do it. I have a couple dozen friends out there right now on the Net Admin side so if you have a specific inquiry post it and I will see what I can come up with.
You store is obviously using a sub-par system of finger printing. There are varying degrees of finger printing identification in regards to its total failure rate; its ability to be "faked out", the number of identified points, and the file structure is which the data is stored etc. In fact there is now what is known as "live" tissue readers. The reader picks up not only the print but the bio-electrical signal you put off ensuring that the finger is alive and has not been cut off someone's hand. If you were able to easily fake your print then your readers are essentially useless and should be gotten ride of. I would say that a store doesn't need the same amount of security as a bank but a better investment should at least be looked into. Biometrics is a large industry and there are varying degrees and levels in which it is implemented as well as varying degrees of hardware solutions available. Identifying your security needs is the number one goal to forming a at the very lease; a useful plan.
I was referring more to Smart Cards then to actual log-in tokens. Sorry for not clarifying. You are right, one token is easier to manage but regardless of a single token or multi token environment the only real solution is an environment that has a couple of authentication processes in place and that the corporation retains positive control of their own environment, as apposed to sharing the same environment across multiple corporate domains i.e. Boards Inc sharing a token server with Nails Inc and trusting that the other side is just as physically secure and has the same standards of security practice. That is really the point I was getting at.
I like your idea only there is one problem, most ID theft does not come from your credit report; it merely shows up there. It comes from your trash and any other information i.e. bills, statements, and even job applications that you only have partial control over or have innocently thrown away. Along with what you are suggesting I also suggest EVERYONE have a paper shredder at home and it to discard anything with your name on it, even junk mail. It doesn't take much!
After reading the article I found a couple of the points to be near disturbing, to such an extent I choked on my coffee.
1. This allows individuals to use one form of identity to authenticate themselves to a range of different organisations.
This is a security breech in it of its self. The idea is to make a system harder to get into, by allowing users to have a single token for a multi-organizational environment you are essentially defeating the purpose of information security. ONLY one person has to sell their information or loose it for a single person to attack a vast amount of networks.
2. For a start, the enormous investment involved in issuing digital certificates on smart cards, for example, can be recouped to some extent, by deriving revenue from allowing other organisations to authenticate their users with the same identity.
A part of Information Security is Information Control. This is an easy way to loose control of a secure environment. The CIO is relying on a secondary company that he/she is not physically monitoring to maintain positive control of their security environment. I for one would allow NO ONE access to my tokens or authentication system that didn't reside behind my firewall. Information security should not be about cost effectiveness. It is no secret that it is not cheap. Though cross organizational security is becoming more robust with software and a wider array of risk management, there is still the human factor that no one can control, i.e. there is no cure of human stupidity.
3. On the upside
There is of course a way to manage this kind of environment; intense risk management. The amount of resources the organization would have to dedicate to risk management almost makes this concept not cost effective. There would have to be an entire task force not associated to any of the corporations and would have to manage and asses security risks. The reason being is to gather non-biased information. This would be costly and time intensive.
4. There are alternatives?
The alternative and one that I am seeing become more common is to share a single platform but on the backside enforce a stronger security measure. Example, John logs in via a token system that is shared and then re-authenticates via biometrics on the backside. There goes cost effectiveness right out the window. The best biometric systems are very expensive and timely to roll-out. SafLink offers a great solution but is very costly and does not include hardware. Biometrics is the way to go albeit there is still a chance of a security breech if a hacker gains access to local cache files that store the bio-information. It would be near impossible to break the algorithm but there is still that chance.
I guess with all security there is that same risk. There is no truly secure system, but we all make out as best we can. As security becomes more intense so will the possibilities of intrusion, for every action there is reaction.
The mission of the Marine Corps is to serve and protect as the President sees fit.
Huh. Funny thing is the documents I have say something different:
From the Oath:
I (state your name) do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
The actual mission of the Marine Corps is to be America's 911 force. The oath as you so exuberantly displayed is taken by ALL branches of service, dumb ass. The Constitution is more of an ideal now that shit heads like you walk all over it for your own good. What is amazing is that you demand for your protection and then question they way that you get it, you cant have it both ways.
Guess you are excused to think for yourself and determine what is not Constitutional.
NO SHIT--I dont have that luxary ass--I take orders, if you dont execute then people die, you fuckin hippies make me sick
Oh wait, the 6 codes of conduct:
ARTICLE II:
I will never surrender of my own free will.
Guess you have to think for yourself.
what you think you got me trapped into some wierd alternate universe? If you read anything about the articles it refers to the codes of conduct if captured or detained. I will never surrender....., I will resist...., I will take orders..., you get the point. So what exactly was surrendered, my own opition or opinion? You think I was brain washed or something? You fuckin ass dont ever presume to think you anything about anyone, I signed that dotted line for a good fuckin reason, not becuase I didnt have anything else to do. SO, while you sit there behind the PC your mommy and daddy bought for you remember this, if isnt wasnt for war the fuckin thing would have even existed much less your sorry ass!
You mention Smedley, did you read his position on war? After he came back he wrote several well known articles about his hatred for it. He was a ture hero who hated his job, I loved every minute of it. I will address your issues:
The oath is one of the most important parts of what we do; ask any service member to recite it and you may find almost 2 or 3 that can. You think because you Google searched it for your reply that you have idea what it means to take it and live that fuckin thing? We defend what the Constitution stands for, it stands for Americas freedoms, American liberties and the protection of others, sometimes others need to be protected from themselves. The oath is more then you can imagine my friend, you read it as if it were something to be used in a protest against abortion. Try realizing how many people died after taking that oath. I was a lucky one. Very few put on a Marines uniform and those who do understand that death is only a matter of time in some cases and that we will/may be called upon to do Americas justice. That is the diciple, that is what we train to do and that is what we love so much about it.
What is with your ref. to some gay guy? I have no idea what you are getting at with that one? Reading and understanding the Consistution and how it really applies today and to globalizaion or America's stewardship to world peace are two diffent things. There are parts that no doubt apply, but without having to state the obvious (in your case I may) the Constition and war dont jive, they arent even in the same fuckin ball park. I dont go around shooting everything and getting a hard on doing in, I dont get off seeing people killed but I am in a unique position to understand that people have to die to save others. I see outside my box and outside my own personal safety. The Constitution has nothing to do with war when you are fighting it. It is the principle American dream that we fight for, America the free. FYI: Using the word Faker is like taking a knife to gun fight. If you are going to come then come all the way asshole, you wont hurt my feelings.
So, before you get all Liberal Hippie American on me, ask youself what is really going on. Could we really do our jobs, could America really be safe if we sat on our hands and tried to "talk it out". Much like high school, you would get your ass kicked if you tired that. Americas peace is a proactive battle, not reactive. Maybe you think you can do better, then do it and stop your bitching.
Ok asshole let me enlighten you. There are over 200 jobs in the Marine Corps MOS. EVERY Marine is a riflemen first. You think because I hold the MOS of computers that is all I did? That is not the case, I am actually a communications specialist which entales all facets of communications, my specialty just to happened to be computers. Amazingly in this day and age yes, the front lines have computers for situational awareness. AMAZING how that might work. They are used for everything from, finding the enemy to targeting drop zones for aid. Yes, I did fight, yes I did see friends die, No I dont regret any minute of it. I certainly dont sit around thinking about how sad it is that we are over there. We needed to be over there like we are needed around the world. My post was over the top for a reason, to hone into your brains that world peace and freedom are not free, people will die, bombs will be dropped and yes rights will be walked on. Dont presume you know the answers to any of it because I know I dont. I dont have the answers but like any good Marine I took my orders and pulled that trigger. That is what YOU pay us to do, not sit around and think about how we can talk ourselves out of this one. World peace is not accomplished by thinking, its accomplished by action. No man ever did anything sitting on his ass so why the fuck you still sitting there you liberal fuck. I beleive in the Constituion but not in the same way you do. We can dream all day long that the Constition is the driving force behind America, put the pipe down because that is not how it is. That is what we all want but what we want and what we have are two different things. America was founded under the Constition and it serves a purpose in many aspects but not in war. Its assholes like you that voted for the bradey bill, cant wait to loose all of my guns in the next 10 years, that should really make things safe around here. You want something to uphold, pick up a fuckin gun and get in the fight or get the fuck out of way.
Amazing you hippie democrats never seem to realize the truth in social and global liberty. The Constitution is a document that asses like you use as toilet paper when ever it's convenient to fight your hippie loving political battles, i.e. gun control. Neither you nor I are in any position to dictate what is or isn't Constitutional. If you really think you know how the world works and how actual policy is dictated and carried out and know how the US should be run then why post Anonymous Coward? Is it that you are afraid of what others might think of you? NEWS FLASH: I don't care what you or your hippie loving, grass smoking community thinks of the war. You aren't and were not over there. AND YES dumb ass, the Marine Corps is the ONLY branch of service that takes orders directly from the President. You think you took the moral high ground because you oppose the war? OOHH wait let me jump on the band wagon too. Let me guess, you pose around at the local coffee shops reading poetry looking like some emo-artistic-tourchered-soul, complaining on how the governments out to get us but your too much of chicken shit to pick up a gun and fight for something that means anything. Enjoy your latte you liberal. And if you should feel so inclined to supply me with your philosophy on how the US should be run or how it is run then please by all means educate me. Otherwise pop in another Cold Play CD and play with your razor blades.
Funny you should mention this, because I didn't. The mission of the Marine Corps is to serve and protect as the President sees fit. You can stop living in the blind sided public political democratic anthem of constitutional rights. The time for diplomacy has came and went, it's now time to stop hugging trees and toasting to world peace, and kick some world ass. Hey, if you don't like it write your congressman, otherwise pick up a gun and get in line!!!
I support and uphold three things, and they all fit in my underwear
Uhhh...."/." is an open forum for posting. The very nature of your post goes to heart of this debat, censorship. Should/. not approve this thread because its "uncorroborated"?
NEWS FLASH:
This just in, most news is biased and uncorroborated!!!!! SUPRISE
I thunk ya is meisuing teh pouint.
Our Internet access is censored even in the United States!
Of course it is silly-there is this thing called limited bandwidth that has to be dealt with. If we all had free reign to the internet we would get nothing done. The so-called censorship is mission-guidance in disguise (sshhhh.....don't tell no one!!!!).
The funny thing is how much effort they put into censoring web access, when they let a shitload of spam and virus crap into their email servers, and use shitty Windows systems and Internet Explorer which get infected regularly with shitware.
Alas we have yet another unsatisfied consumer of the NMCI network. (Navy Marine Corps Communist Internet). Hey, write your congressmen. The Marine Corps does not run the state side network, NMCI does, which is a brain child of the Navy. So happens the Corps fought this battle and lost because the now director or operations for NMCI was once the program officer for it while he was in the Navy (yelling conspiracy...loud noises).
When I was in Iraq, I used a civilian satellite ISP most of the time, which was so much better than the military network.
That is because the civilian ISP's are not responsible for MISSION critical operations that have lives at stake. Funny how that makes sense to me!!!
The military's IT (or at least the USMC's) is incompetent, hindered by leaders that don't understand IT
Did you know some of the most profound leaders and innovators of the CS world have come from the Department of the Navy? That's right boys and girls, we is learned.
and probably underfunded and/or the funding is misguided.
The most informative thing you said, this is TRUE but remember.
The Corps has done so much, with so little, for so long, that we can do anything with nothing forever.
Your preachin to the choir there killer. I was in TQ with 1FSSG and I spent some time in FA. I know how they do thier business. No this is not some uber conspiracy as I pointed out in my post and yes we filter based on catergory content; we all know about Cyber Guard; guud times. The deny all, allow few is not a part of the web filtering. That is acutally applied via ACLs on the screening router and to traffic protocols and ports via the firewall. Web filtering is not even really done by the 89's. Its more of the webmaters job, which is now becoming a facet of 89. Email fileting is done by the 89's, I have done that myself. Content is RARELY looked at like you said.
It would be a little over the top to suggest that there is some conspiracy theory behind blocking content on the basis of revelvance relating to Iraq. There are no such filters. Remember, though this is the military our communciations systems remain commerical; other then the encryption devices. Your site may contain explicit comments e.g. swearing, nudity, or graphic content. If so, then yes this would be blocked by any military site in or outside the country.
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I spent two years in Iraq, half of which was spent as a network engineer and I tell you from my extensive knowledge of DOD networks that the Marine Corps in particular does "content filtering" based on catergories. For example if a site is known to be political, humours and have explicit matieral the filter will take the highest of them (explicit in this case) and then block that site. This is for moral reasons as well as international reasons. Countries like Iraq have laws against pornographic material. There was even a point where we were almost not allowed to have Stuff magazine and the likes. Another comes down to security. If a Marine is on duty and is surfing the internet or chatting then they are not alert to what they are doing and their surroundings. This can cause issues if something happened while that Marine was on post. Another reason is because YOU the tax payer, pay for that Sat bandwidth we have over there. How we can we justify to the DOD for our next Fiscal year that we need more money for bandwidth if half the traffic is non work related? YES they look at those stats!!! Not EVERYTHING is cut off, we do have moral computers in the internet cafes that allow anyone to surf anything as long as it is not X-rated pornographic material, once again this is due to international laws.
The other DOD bodies have different regulations. The Army is less restrictive because they have more money in thier budget to buy more Sat bandwidth. They can afford to surf "junk" to put it plainly.
The Marine Corps is not like and will NEVER be like any of the other armed services. We stand a notch above the rest and as such have a responsibility to set the example and pave the way for the other armed services.
From internet to operations we are the best as what we do and that can not be argued. We are the elite fighting force of America. We take an honorable and moral high ground to be stay that way; since 1775.
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As a citizen of the US, let me say: no - thank *you*.
A citizen of the US is one who represents this country with pride. You may not agree with the poitical implications of the war in Iraq, but to discount the soldiers that provide the blanket of freedom you so enjoy is to discount the ideal of America, therefore not making you a cititzen of the US. Your just a citizen mouth-piece.
As a civilian (and a reader of history), let me say, whaaaaat? The only thing that stops our armies invading any resource-rich country they desire is the marine deaths. Ask any American, the death toll in Iraq is around about 3,000. They don't even consider the lives of the "enemy", or the civilians caught in the crossfire. Once that 3,000 figure was met, the opinion "back home" changed dramatically. Add one more zero to that, and you get the certified, double-checked list of civilian casualties. A number I've NEVER seen mentioned on TV news.
Wow! Social-Political overload. I can tell you read a lot of history; your evidence is so overwhelming and compeling. Heck..you should have a job with the NSA. I cant imagine why you arent president. Enlighten all of us; why would the "Marines Deaths" prevent "our Armies" from "invading resource rich countries?" As if the death of a fellow Marine or soldier really means something to you. To you its a number that you can use to make a point; to those who have served (including myself having spent 2 years in Iraq) they are what we refer to as friends...say it with me now...F-R-I-E-N-D-S...friends, yay you got it.
Do you honestly think these robots are going to make the world a safer place? You are talking about a future where our leaders can wage war without any repercussions? No fallout once the flag-draped coffins start getting fed-exed home? Surely as a veteran you realise that this cannot be good?
Do you honestly think the point of the robot is to make the WHOLE WORLD a safer place? Think smaller; think making the American soldier a safer person. Oh, "flag-draped coffins" dont come in Fed-X we use DHL now. That is the dumbest remark I have ever heard. They are fly in on military planes escorted by the military. Uhm...turn the page history reader. The book is better when you get past the cover
9-11 was a direct result of our meddling in the middle east. Now we have robots to do our dirty work, do you think that's going to improve the situation? Is it going to "win hearts & minds", "shock and awe" or just downright, extreme, suicidal hatred? Your children can answer that for you...
9-11 was not America's fault but thanks for that once again biased history lesson. Robots are not going to improve anything. That is not the point of the robots we use. The military uses them to take safty precautions so a life can be spared should the bomb go off. Would it be better if there were no robots so that you could add to that 3000 you so diligantly keep track of? God forbid we call these numbers people, worse American soldiers. So save the history lesson Aristotle; and spare us your blind, bias, judgemental and otherwise pointless view of the war in Iraq.
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Resource: The very same you used.
Three cheers for minimal reading, kids!
Or EOD (Explosive Ordinance Disposal)..but what ever!!
"I work in a mobile combat communications unit, while I'm not in the sandbox right now, I can attest to the DoD policy on blocking web access.
There are several levels of DoD blocking. First, the DoD policy on web access, policy, and security in general, very broad, next is the Departments level, i.e. Army, Navy, etc, then there is the base policy and then the command policy and unit policy all the way down to the company. The "general rule" is that no one can have policy rules lower then that of above. This means a platoons policy can not be more lax then the base policy. This sort of transitive policy based appliance leaves much room for interpretation at all levels of policy implementation. Every service is different, every level is different and every network right down to the hardware is different. So, when you talk about blocking you have to be very specific as it is nearly impossible to just nail down an exact, cut and dry policy. Web content filtering, ACL's and the likes are different from service to service and mission to mission.
First of all when you are down range don't expect to even get DSL speeds from a satellite, we usually roll with about 256kbs for the data side of our trunk.
This is too far from the truth depending on the environment. The Ku band in Iraq is quite substantial in fact the smallest direct BGP Sat link might be a T-1 up to 8 and 32Meg or so via a Sat package called the DKET. This is speaking for the Marine side by the way. Also lateral links are about 3Meg at the smallest level via another Ku Sat package. This of course has its caveats. At this level we are talking about a non-mobile infrastructure were as a mobile infrastructure would be a Microware shot thru a TSR or MUX link at anywhere from 96k to 512k or more depending on voice needs and breakdown of classified to unclassified network needs. (Data bandwidth is shared between the two types of DoD networks when multiplexed, voice generally rides its own trunk card thru the multiplexer, typically a Promina node does this multiplexing or at lower levels in the unit they have what is called an FCC multiplexer)
So blocking sites is very important, otherwise 4 or 5 people could start streaming audio and pretty much knock down any legitimate use of the network. We filter websites with smartfilter and yes the military system admins in the IPO office will unblock any web site that isn't blocked by local policy (no pr0n, no streaming audio, no civilian web mail: both the hot and the g varieties, and no chat programs; although irc is used by the DoD)
This is somewhat accurate. From the Corps standpoint, when I first went to Iraq this was not the case. We could chat all day long until it was "locked down". This is done at the BGP point via the highest headquarters out there, CentCom etc. Even then it isn't full proof, I found ways around it, i.e. bypass or just good ole bribing the E-3 at the terminal.
This is no Orwellian conspiracy, but quick and easy system administration; apply smartfilter: check! If you want to check the current smartfilter blocked sites goto: securecomputing and submit some sites to check."
Once again, take this with a grain of salt. Though this seems like it applies to all agencies and to all services at all times it really doesn't. The mobile and deployed units are in constant flex so nothing is really ever solidified when it comes to policy. The ONLY real way to know for sure is to go out there and site down behind their network and try it yourself, or ask someone you know out there to do it. I have a couple dozen friends out there right now on the Net Admin side so if you have a specific inquiry post it and I will see what I can come up with.
You store is obviously using a sub-par system of finger printing. There are varying degrees of finger printing identification in regards to its total failure rate; its ability to be "faked out", the number of identified points, and the file structure is which the data is stored etc. In fact there is now what is known as "live" tissue readers. The reader picks up not only the print but the bio-electrical signal you put off ensuring that the finger is alive and has not been cut off someone's hand. If you were able to easily fake your print then your readers are essentially useless and should be gotten ride of. I would say that a store doesn't need the same amount of security as a bank but a better investment should at least be looked into. Biometrics is a large industry and there are varying degrees and levels in which it is implemented as well as varying degrees of hardware solutions available. Identifying your security needs is the number one goal to forming a at the very lease; a useful plan.
I was referring more to Smart Cards then to actual log-in tokens. Sorry for not clarifying. You are right, one token is easier to manage but regardless of a single token or multi token environment the only real solution is an environment that has a couple of authentication processes in place and that the corporation retains positive control of their own environment, as apposed to sharing the same environment across multiple corporate domains i.e. Boards Inc sharing a token server with Nails Inc and trusting that the other side is just as physically secure and has the same standards of security practice. That is really the point I was getting at.
I like your idea only there is one problem, most ID theft does not come from your credit report; it merely shows up there. It comes from your trash and any other information i.e. bills, statements, and even job applications that you only have partial control over or have innocently thrown away. Along with what you are suggesting I also suggest EVERYONE have a paper shredder at home and it to discard anything with your name on it, even junk mail. It doesn't take much!
After reading the article I found a couple of the points to be near disturbing, to such an extent I choked on my coffee.
1. This allows individuals to use one form of identity to authenticate themselves to a range of different organisations.
This is a security breech in it of its self. The idea is to make a system harder to get into, by allowing users to have a single token for a multi-organizational environment you are essentially defeating the purpose of information security. ONLY one person has to sell their information or loose it for a single person to attack a vast amount of networks.
2. For a start, the enormous investment involved in issuing digital certificates on smart cards, for example, can be recouped to some extent, by deriving revenue from allowing other organisations to authenticate their users with the same identity.
A part of Information Security is Information Control. This is an easy way to loose control of a secure environment. The CIO is relying on a secondary company that he/she is not physically monitoring to maintain positive control of their security environment. I for one would allow NO ONE access to my tokens or authentication system that didn't reside behind my firewall. Information security should not be about cost effectiveness. It is no secret that it is not cheap. Though cross organizational security is becoming more robust with software and a wider array of risk management, there is still the human factor that no one can control, i.e. there is no cure of human stupidity.
3. On the upside
There is of course a way to manage this kind of environment; intense risk management. The amount of resources the organization would have to dedicate to risk management almost makes this concept not cost effective. There would have to be an entire task force not associated to any of the corporations and would have to manage and asses security risks. The reason being is to gather non-biased information. This would be costly and time intensive.
4. There are alternatives?
The alternative and one that I am seeing become more common is to share a single platform but on the backside enforce a stronger security measure. Example, John logs in via a token system that is shared and then re-authenticates via biometrics on the backside. There goes cost effectiveness right out the window. The best biometric systems are very expensive and timely to roll-out. SafLink offers a great solution but is very costly and does not include hardware. Biometrics is the way to go albeit there is still a chance of a security breech if a hacker gains access to local cache files that store the bio-information. It would be near impossible to break the algorithm but there is still that chance.
I guess with all security there is that same risk. There is no truly secure system, but we all make out as best we can. As security becomes more intense so will the possibilities of intrusion, for every action there is reaction.
The mission of the Marine Corps is to serve and protect as the President sees fit. Huh. Funny thing is the documents I have say something different: From the Oath: I (state your name) do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
The actual mission of the Marine Corps is to be America's 911 force. The oath as you so exuberantly displayed is taken by ALL branches of service, dumb ass. The Constitution is more of an ideal now that shit heads like you walk all over it for your own good. What is amazing is that you demand for your protection and then question they way that you get it, you cant have it both ways.
Guess you are excused to think for yourself and determine what is not Constitutional.
NO SHIT--I dont have that luxary ass--I take orders, if you dont execute then people die, you fuckin hippies make me sick
Oh wait, the 6 codes of conduct: ARTICLE II: I will never surrender of my own free will. Guess you have to think for yourself.
what you think you got me trapped into some wierd alternate universe? If you read anything about the articles it refers to the codes of conduct if captured or detained. I will never surrender....., I will resist...., I will take orders..., you get the point. So what exactly was surrendered, my own opition or opinion? You think I was brain washed or something? You fuckin ass dont ever presume to think you anything about anyone, I signed that dotted line for a good fuckin reason, not becuase I didnt have anything else to do. SO, while you sit there behind the PC your mommy and daddy bought for you remember this, if isnt wasnt for war the fuckin thing would have even existed much less your sorry ass!
You mention Smedley, did you read his position on war? After he came back he wrote several well known articles about his hatred for it. He was a ture hero who hated his job, I loved every minute of it. I will address your issues:
The oath is one of the most important parts of what we do; ask any service member to recite it and you may find almost 2 or 3 that can. You think because you Google searched it for your reply that you have idea what it means to take it and live that fuckin thing? We defend what the Constitution stands for, it stands for Americas freedoms, American liberties and the protection of others, sometimes others need to be protected from themselves. The oath is more then you can imagine my friend, you read it as if it were something to be used in a protest against abortion. Try realizing how many people died after taking that oath. I was a lucky one. Very few put on a Marines uniform and those who do understand that death is only a matter of time in some cases and that we will/may be called upon to do Americas justice. That is the diciple, that is what we train to do and that is what we love so much about it.
What is with your ref. to some gay guy? I have no idea what you are getting at with that one? Reading and understanding the Consistution and how it really applies today and to globalizaion or America's stewardship to world peace are two diffent things. There are parts that no doubt apply, but without having to state the obvious (in your case I may) the Constition and war dont jive, they arent even in the same fuckin ball park. I dont go around shooting everything and getting a hard on doing in, I dont get off seeing people killed but I am in a unique position to understand that people have to die to save others. I see outside my box and outside my own personal safety. The Constitution has nothing to do with war when you are fighting it. It is the principle American dream that we fight for, America the free. FYI: Using the word Faker is like taking a knife to gun fight. If you are going to come then come all the way asshole, you wont hurt my feelings.
So, before you get all Liberal Hippie American on me, ask youself what is really going on. Could we really do our jobs, could America really be safe if we sat on our hands and tried to "talk it out". Much like high school, you would get your ass kicked if you tired that. Americas peace is a proactive battle, not reactive. Maybe you think you can do better, then do it and stop your bitching.
Ok asshole let me enlighten you. There are over 200 jobs in the Marine Corps MOS. EVERY Marine is a riflemen first. You think because I hold the MOS of computers that is all I did? That is not the case, I am actually a communications specialist which entales all facets of communications, my specialty just to happened to be computers. Amazingly in this day and age yes, the front lines have computers for situational awareness. AMAZING how that might work. They are used for everything from, finding the enemy to targeting drop zones for aid. Yes, I did fight, yes I did see friends die, No I dont regret any minute of it. I certainly dont sit around thinking about how sad it is that we are over there. We needed to be over there like we are needed around the world. My post was over the top for a reason, to hone into your brains that world peace and freedom are not free, people will die, bombs will be dropped and yes rights will be walked on. Dont presume you know the answers to any of it because I know I dont. I dont have the answers but like any good Marine I took my orders and pulled that trigger. That is what YOU pay us to do, not sit around and think about how we can talk ourselves out of this one. World peace is not accomplished by thinking, its accomplished by action. No man ever did anything sitting on his ass so why the fuck you still sitting there you liberal fuck. I beleive in the Constituion but not in the same way you do. We can dream all day long that the Constition is the driving force behind America, put the pipe down because that is not how it is. That is what we all want but what we want and what we have are two different things. America was founded under the Constition and it serves a purpose in many aspects but not in war. Its assholes like you that voted for the bradey bill, cant wait to loose all of my guns in the next 10 years, that should really make things safe around here. You want something to uphold, pick up a fuckin gun and get in the fight or get the fuck out of way.
Amazing you hippie democrats never seem to realize the truth in social and global liberty. The Constitution is a document that asses like you use as toilet paper when ever it's convenient to fight your hippie loving political battles, i.e. gun control. Neither you nor I are in any position to dictate what is or isn't Constitutional. If you really think you know how the world works and how actual policy is dictated and carried out and know how the US should be run then why post Anonymous Coward? Is it that you are afraid of what others might think of you? NEWS FLASH: I don't care what you or your hippie loving, grass smoking community thinks of the war. You aren't and were not over there. AND YES dumb ass, the Marine Corps is the ONLY branch of service that takes orders directly from the President. You think you took the moral high ground because you oppose the war? OOHH wait let me jump on the band wagon too. Let me guess, you pose around at the local coffee shops reading poetry looking like some emo-artistic-tourchered-soul, complaining on how the governments out to get us but your too much of chicken shit to pick up a gun and fight for something that means anything. Enjoy your latte you liberal. And if you should feel so inclined to supply me with your philosophy on how the US should be run or how it is run then please by all means educate me. Otherwise pop in another Cold Play CD and play with your razor blades.
"support and uphold The Constitution"
Funny you should mention this, because I didn't. The mission of the Marine Corps is to serve and protect as the President sees fit. You can stop living in the blind sided public political democratic anthem of constitutional rights. The time for diplomacy has came and went, it's now time to stop hugging trees and toasting to world peace, and kick some world ass. Hey, if you don't like it write your congressman, otherwise pick up a gun and get in line!!!
I support and uphold three things, and they all fit in my underwear
Uhhh...."/." is an open forum for posting. The very nature of your post goes to heart of this debat, censorship. Should /. not approve this thread because its "uncorroborated"?
NEWS FLASH:
This just in, most news is biased and uncorroborated!!!!! SUPRISE
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I thunk ya is meisuing teh pouint. Our Internet access is censored even in the United States!
Of course it is silly-there is this thing called limited bandwidth that has to be dealt with. If we all had free reign to the internet we would get nothing done. The so-called censorship is mission-guidance in disguise (sshhhh.....don't tell no one!!!!).
The funny thing is how much effort they put into censoring web access, when they let a shitload of spam and virus crap into their email servers, and use shitty Windows systems and Internet Explorer which get infected regularly with shitware.
Alas we have yet another unsatisfied consumer of the NMCI network. (Navy Marine Corps Communist Internet). Hey, write your congressmen. The Marine Corps does not run the state side network, NMCI does, which is a brain child of the Navy. So happens the Corps fought this battle and lost because the now director or operations for NMCI was once the program officer for it while he was in the Navy (yelling conspiracy...loud noises).
When I was in Iraq, I used a civilian satellite ISP most of the time, which was so much better than the military network.
That is because the civilian ISP's are not responsible for MISSION critical operations that have lives at stake. Funny how that makes sense to me!!!
The military's IT (or at least the USMC's) is incompetent, hindered by leaders that don't understand IT
Did you know some of the most profound leaders and innovators of the CS world have come from the Department of the Navy? That's right boys and girls, we is learned.
and probably underfunded and/or the funding is misguided.
The most informative thing you said, this is TRUE but remember.
The Corps has done so much, with so little, for so long, that we can do anything with nothing forever.
Your preachin to the choir there killer. I was in TQ with 1FSSG and I spent some time in FA. I know how they do thier business. No this is not some uber conspiracy as I pointed out in my post and yes we filter based on catergory content; we all know about Cyber Guard; guud times. The deny all, allow few is not a part of the web filtering. That is acutally applied via ACLs on the screening router and to traffic protocols and ports via the firewall. Web filtering is not even really done by the 89's. Its more of the webmaters job, which is now becoming a facet of 89. Email fileting is done by the 89's, I have done that myself. Content is RARELY looked at like you said.
It would be a little over the top to suggest that there is some conspiracy theory behind blocking content on the basis of revelvance relating to Iraq. There are no such filters. Remember, though this is the military our communciations systems remain commerical; other then the encryption devices. Your site may contain explicit comments e.g. swearing, nudity, or graphic content. If so, then yes this would be blocked by any military site in or outside the country. 1337p1rt3
I spent two years in Iraq, half of which was spent as a network engineer and I tell you from my extensive knowledge of DOD networks that the Marine Corps in particular does "content filtering" based on catergories. For example if a site is known to be political, humours and have explicit matieral the filter will take the highest of them (explicit in this case) and then block that site. This is for moral reasons as well as international reasons. Countries like Iraq have laws against pornographic material. There was even a point where we were almost not allowed to have Stuff magazine and the likes. Another comes down to security. If a Marine is on duty and is surfing the internet or chatting then they are not alert to what they are doing and their surroundings. This can cause issues if something happened while that Marine was on post. Another reason is because YOU the tax payer, pay for that Sat bandwidth we have over there. How we can we justify to the DOD for our next Fiscal year that we need more money for bandwidth if half the traffic is non work related? YES they look at those stats!!! Not EVERYTHING is cut off, we do have moral computers in the internet cafes that allow anyone to surf anything as long as it is not X-rated pornographic material, once again this is due to international laws. The other DOD bodies have different regulations. The Army is less restrictive because they have more money in thier budget to buy more Sat bandwidth. They can afford to surf "junk" to put it plainly. The Marine Corps is not like and will NEVER be like any of the other armed services. We stand a notch above the rest and as such have a responsibility to set the example and pave the way for the other armed services. From internet to operations we are the best as what we do and that can not be argued. We are the elite fighting force of America. We take an honorable and moral high ground to be stay that way; since 1775. Semper Fi 1337P1rt3