If you're in the situation like me where systemd has a SERIOUSLY deleterious effect on your computer, there's nothing stupid about switching to a distro that doesn't use it.
Frankly, I'm sick of having my shutdowns delayed because for no apparent reason it wants to wait for 90 seconds for some process it doesn't even bother to identify to finish before finally shutting down.
That said, I WAS rather hoping someone might post some top-level stuff as the OP requested about what's GOOD about systemd, so I could see if there's ANY benefit to it.
How does systemd remind you of windows?
It's buggy and it breaks my computer.
If it lands on your system and you aren't aware (and how could you be) that it refuses to boot if any of the filesystems defined in/etc/fstab aren't available (think NFS mounts where maybe the remote machine is down or unreachable). OK, you can stop this happening by adding "nofail" to the filesystem's entry, but it's a bit late when you haven't got a bootable machine.
And there's the regular problem of delays in shutdown due to "a stop job is running". Which is a big enough pain in the arse when I want to shut my computer down and go out, but could cost a lot of money in a production environment if you need a fast shutdown and reboot.
When I worked for British Telecom, we had nice simple internal Usenet newsgroups. Some specific to particular business-related areas (like programming), others hobby-based (cycling, swimming, etc.) and some just for general chit-chat. No need for any expensive social-networking websites or anything like that, just a simple Usenet server buried in a data centre.
It used to be a great way to get to know colleagues all over Britain, as well as a terrific resource when you needed help getting something working.
I'm glad I don't have kids. I'd hate them to be exposed at school to anything associated with that vile dingo.
There's certainly going to be an ulterior motive behind it.
Even supposing the US government could be trusted (which it definitely can't), there are enough nationalistic nutters with guns to pose a serious risk to his life.
I used to love KDE. In fact I've used it for something like ten years and even put up with the beta-level KDE4.0 in the foolish belief that it was worthwhile.
But the sheer arrogance of the developers and their constant issuing of useless code has finally driven me away.
Case in point, kaddressbook. Most recent version delivered to Mandriva lost all contacts set up in previous versions (you could get them back, but only after digging around to find out how) and not only deleted mailing lists but pretended to allow the creation of them while actually losing them as soon as they were saved. And apparently it's all the fault of the distros for not realising KDE were releasing non-functioning code and putting it out, not the fault of KDE for releasing crap.
And they intend to keep it up. To quote http://userbase.kde.org/KAddressBook_4.4 "KAddressBook is a work-in-progress. That doesn't mean that it's unstable but it does mean that it's not complete. The layout you see in this version is very different from the older version, and it's quite possible that the next version will be different again, as we see more features being available to us again."
With that sort of attitude, I suppose it's hardly surprising they've decided that everybody has to use over-blown useless crap like Nepomuk and Akonadi that just takes up huge amounts of system resource for little (if any) benefit.
Having dumped KDE for IceWM, I now have a far more reliable, faster computer that's unencumbered by useless bloat. And about the only thing I actually MISS from KDE is the newsticker. But there are Firefox plugins that do the job, even if not quite as well, so it's a price worth paying to be shot of these "It's up to us whether we break your computer and if you don't like it, blame yourself or your distro" pillocks.
Speaking as a one-time user of Kubuntu, I certainly wouldn't argue with the suggestion that Mandriva's a FAR better KDE distro than Kubuntu.
The KDE side of things on any *buntu version is a long way down their priorities; some of the stuff they shipped (like the bloody awful package manager "upgrade" a few years ago) was somewhere between useless and crap.
It was things like that and the fact that every Kubuntu upgrade wrecked my system at least once (so I needed to restore from my backups) that sent me running from it and back to Mandriva.
The N900 works fine without needing to use the 'phone capabilities. I have no intention (or need) of using it for telephony, I just use it as a pocket computer and it does a good job.
The N810 might be a good option; it'll be cheaper, but it's a lot less powerful and the OS is a lot older, so not everything you might want will build for it (for example, I've ported MySQL 5 to the N900 OS, but the N8XX series will only run MySQL 4).
Agree with Kadin2048 completely. After all, how is the address bar supposed to know when you've finished typing the URL you want to go to?
Besides which fact, there's already a way to go straight away to a URL without having to hit enter - highlight it wherever you want to copy it from, then middle-click anywhere on the browser apart from an input field. (Caveat: works with Linux, no idea if it'll work with a lesser OS.)
Hitler wasn't a vegetarian. His doctor had to prescribe laying off the meat to deal with some health problems he had.
He was however, a catholic. Something which led directly to the Holocaust. To quote from Mein Kampf, "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
I wish it was FUD.
Then I'd have a nice, working Edgy system and I wouldn't have wasted the last couple of days trying to install it then having to restore.
I never had any problems going up between different releases of Mandr[ake|iva], but the main reason I moved over to Ubuntu was that my old distro was getting too slow with updates (and modified things so much that rolling my own KDE, for example, was a waste of time) but Ubuntu promised more up-to-date goodies. So I'd say that (at least in my experience) the general expectation is that installs will go correctly.
I'd echo what you say about careful partitioning though; at least I only had to restore my //usr/usr/share and/var partitions...
Total failure for me trying to upgrade Kubuntu from Dapper to Edgy. Four attempts and I gave up - I'm really glad I have backups of all my partitions otherwise I'd have been stuffed.
I'd certainly advise anybody who intends to try upgrading by editing/etc/apt/sources.list and pulling in new packages to do it from a console session rather than in X; when my screensaver kicked in it was impossible to get back by putting in the password because it couldn't recognise it (fortunately I could SSH in from my Zaurus and kill the process.)
Coming on the heels of the recent X server upgrade débacle, this has got me wondering if I should try another distro, which is disappointing as I like Mark Shuttleworth's attitude.
I certainly haven't been waiting for Flash 9.
Sites that use Flash un-necessarily are nothing but a pain in the arse, so I just don't visit them unless they have proper HTML alternatives. ...and they don't get into the links section of my website, either.
Funny. Looking at the server logs on my distinctly non-techy website, average Firefox use has increased by about 50% since January. Whereas IE use has gone down from about 84% to 76%, with other browsers pretty much un-changed.
Unfortunately, IE doesn't degrade gracefully for everything it doesn't understand.
There's a nasty bug which means that floated divisions can disappear completely for IE users. This caused me a lot of trouble when I re-designed my site last year because my navigation division, which showed in every other browser, didn't appear in IE.
It took me a lot of searching for a solution before I discovered that "anchoring" two divisions together with a single would fix it.
Possession of violent pornography hasn't been outlawed in the UK. It has merely been proposed as a possible bill but nothing has gone through Parliament yet. In fact it would be pretty difficult for any new law to be introduced at present because Parliament isn't even sitting, so it can't pass any laws.
Seems the original submitter's about as good at truth as our own Prime Minister.
A simple example of how not coding to standards costs.
I recently tried to book theatre tickets online and when I got to the final page, ready to pay, there was no button visible to continue.
So they lost my business.
Running the Firefox HTML validator extension on the page revealed that it was a complete mess.
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If you're in the situation like me where systemd has a SERIOUSLY deleterious effect on your computer, there's nothing stupid about switching to a distro that doesn't use it. Frankly, I'm sick of having my shutdowns delayed because for no apparent reason it wants to wait for 90 seconds for some process it doesn't even bother to identify to finish before finally shutting down. That said, I WAS rather hoping someone might post some top-level stuff as the OP requested about what's GOOD about systemd, so I could see if there's ANY benefit to it.
How does systemd remind you of windows? It's buggy and it breaks my computer.
/etc/fstab aren't available (think NFS mounts where maybe the remote machine is down or unreachable). OK, you can stop this happening by adding "nofail" to the filesystem's entry, but it's a bit late when you haven't got a bootable machine.
If it lands on your system and you aren't aware (and how could you be) that it refuses to boot if any of the filesystems defined in
And there's the regular problem of delays in shutdown due to "a stop job is running". Which is a big enough pain in the arse when I want to shut my computer down and go out, but could cost a lot of money in a production environment if you need a fast shutdown and reboot.
Just about sums up these religious idiots.
When I worked for British Telecom, we had nice simple internal Usenet newsgroups. Some specific to particular business-related areas (like programming), others hobby-based (cycling, swimming, etc.) and some just for general chit-chat. No need for any expensive social-networking websites or anything like that, just a simple Usenet server buried in a data centre. It used to be a great way to get to know colleagues all over Britain, as well as a terrific resource when you needed help getting something working.
I'm glad I don't have kids. I'd hate them to be exposed at school to anything associated with that vile dingo. There's certainly going to be an ulterior motive behind it.
Even supposing the US government could be trusted (which it definitely can't), there are enough nationalistic nutters with guns to pose a serious risk to his life.
More opportunities for the American military to murder even more people around the world.
Nice to see the US still has it's priorities right[1]
[1] To help American readers, that's called irony.
I used to love KDE. In fact I've used it for something like ten years and even put up with the beta-level KDE4.0 in the foolish belief that it was worthwhile. But the sheer arrogance of the developers and their constant issuing of useless code has finally driven me away. Case in point, kaddressbook. Most recent version delivered to Mandriva lost all contacts set up in previous versions (you could get them back, but only after digging around to find out how) and not only deleted mailing lists but pretended to allow the creation of them while actually losing them as soon as they were saved. And apparently it's all the fault of the distros for not realising KDE were releasing non-functioning code and putting it out, not the fault of KDE for releasing crap. And they intend to keep it up. To quote http://userbase.kde.org/KAddressBook_4.4 "KAddressBook is a work-in-progress. That doesn't mean that it's unstable but it does mean that it's not complete. The layout you see in this version is very different from the older version, and it's quite possible that the next version will be different again, as we see more features being available to us again." With that sort of attitude, I suppose it's hardly surprising they've decided that everybody has to use over-blown useless crap like Nepomuk and Akonadi that just takes up huge amounts of system resource for little (if any) benefit. Having dumped KDE for IceWM, I now have a far more reliable, faster computer that's unencumbered by useless bloat. And about the only thing I actually MISS from KDE is the newsticker. But there are Firefox plugins that do the job, even if not quite as well, so it's a price worth paying to be shot of these "It's up to us whether we break your computer and if you don't like it, blame yourself or your distro" pillocks.
Speaking as a one-time user of Kubuntu, I certainly wouldn't argue with the suggestion that Mandriva's a FAR better KDE distro than Kubuntu. The KDE side of things on any *buntu version is a long way down their priorities; some of the stuff they shipped (like the bloody awful package manager "upgrade" a few years ago) was somewhere between useless and crap. It was things like that and the fact that every Kubuntu upgrade wrecked my system at least once (so I needed to restore from my backups) that sent me running from it and back to Mandriva.
The N900 works fine without needing to use the 'phone capabilities. I have no intention (or need) of using it for telephony, I just use it as a pocket computer and it does a good job. The N810 might be a good option; it'll be cheaper, but it's a lot less powerful and the OS is a lot older, so not everything you might want will build for it (for example, I've ported MySQL 5 to the N900 OS, but the N8XX series will only run MySQL 4).
http://newsarse.com/2009/08/07/rupert-murdoch-to-charge-idiots-to-read-rubbish/
And now FBReader works on the N900 I can finally retire my N800. And run my Linux programs while I'm reading...
Agree with Kadin2048 completely. After all, how is the address bar supposed to know when you've finished typing the URL you want to go to?
Besides which fact, there's already a way to go straight away to a URL without having to hit enter - highlight it wherever you want to copy it from, then middle-click anywhere on the browser apart from an input field. (Caveat: works with Linux, no idea if it'll work with a lesser OS.)
Hitler wasn't a vegetarian. His doctor had to prescribe laying off the meat to deal with some health problems he had.
He was however, a catholic. Something which led directly to the Holocaust. To quote from Mein Kampf, "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
Same for me.
And as a bonus, the Javascript engine is significantly faster, which is nice for the rather heavy Google Maps mashup I'm working on.
I wish it was FUD. Then I'd have a nice, working Edgy system and I wouldn't have wasted the last couple of days trying to install it then having to restore.
I never had any problems going up between different releases of Mandr[ake|iva], but the main reason I moved over to Ubuntu was that my old distro was getting too slow with updates (and modified things so much that rolling my own KDE, for example, was a waste of time) but Ubuntu promised more up-to-date goodies. So I'd say that (at least in my experience) the general expectation is that installs will go correctly.
/usr /usr/share and /var partitions...
I'd echo what you say about careful partitioning though; at least I only had to restore my /
Total failure for me trying to upgrade Kubuntu from Dapper to Edgy. Four attempts and I gave up - I'm really glad I have backups of all my partitions otherwise I'd have been stuffed.
/etc/apt/sources.list and pulling in new packages to do it from a console session rather than in X; when my screensaver kicked in it was impossible to get back by putting in the password because it couldn't recognise it (fortunately I could SSH in from my Zaurus and kill the process.)
I'd certainly advise anybody who intends to try upgrading by editing
Coming on the heels of the recent X server upgrade débacle, this has got me wondering if I should try another distro, which is disappointing as I like Mark Shuttleworth's attitude.
...Strange bacterium sustains itself without sunlight?
I certainly haven't been waiting for Flash 9.
...and they don't get into the links section of my website, either.
Sites that use Flash un-necessarily are nothing but a pain in the arse, so I just don't visit them unless they have proper HTML alternatives.
Funny. Looking at the server logs on my distinctly non-techy website, average Firefox use has increased by about 50% since January. Whereas IE use has gone down from about 84% to 76%, with other browsers pretty much un-changed.
Hardly a haemorrhage.
Unfortunately, IE doesn't degrade gracefully for everything it doesn't understand.
There's a nasty bug which means that floated divisions can disappear completely for IE users. This caused me a lot of trouble when I re-designed my site last year because my navigation division, which showed in every other browser, didn't appear in IE.
It took me a lot of searching for a solution before I discovered that "anchoring" two divisions together with a single would fix it.
Possession of violent pornography hasn't been outlawed in the UK. It has merely been proposed as a possible bill but nothing has gone through Parliament yet. In fact it would be pretty difficult for any new law to be introduced at present because Parliament isn't even sitting, so it can't pass any laws.
Seems the original submitter's about as good at truth as our own Prime Minister.
OUCH! :-(
Causes my Mandriva 2006 AMD 64 bit machine to hang catastrophically.
That's the first time I've had to hit the reset button in a long while
A simple example of how not coding to standards costs. I recently tried to book theatre tickets online and when I got to the final page, ready to pay, there was no button visible to continue. So they lost my business. Running the Firefox HTML validator extension on the page revealed that it was a complete mess.