There's the rub - my current policy on software politics is that the 'fault' lies with the person who 'chose' the software to use - really, read any license agreement, like what comes with IIS4 "software is provided AS IS, without warrenty or guarentee of usability or marketability", that gets M$ off the hook. The poor IT admin who is forced to maintain a system, who didn't recommend or choose the stuff sure isn't. In fact, I'm trying to work up a sysadmin disclaimer for my own protection - to the effect of "Ok, YOU, the employer, want to run this brand, or choose this brand because it's the default selection or what 'everyone and his brother' appears to be using, I'll work with it BUT there are limits on what I'll be responsible for; if the people who write and market this stuff won't be held liable for defects in the product I'll be darned if I'll be the fall guy!". Anyway, where I work we have all the usual glitches and hiccups, and I make it patently clear: I didn't write this garbage, I just install it, tweak it - everytime you guys fall for the email worm da jour I just sit at my FreeBSD box quietly chuckling to myself, hehehe.
Hmpf, good think MS left some competitors to blame things on - I'd like to see Ellison and McNealy come out slamming NT/IIS3 - In fact, I've strong reason to think, from what little I've tried, that an old copy of IIS3 or ASP is what broke dragon-drop on my nt box.
Chuck
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or at least a long time, I mean like 40+ years. My dad was a photo nut and all his slides from the 40's and 50's are still in great shape, except for one kind (Ectachrome?) w/ organic dyes has a little mildew growth on 'em. I got a pretty cheap scanner to put 'em on a CD rom but the scanned images, tho OK, just couldn't hold a candle to viewing the originals for detail.
We used to work in a darkroom together w/ B&W stuff, a lot of fun - but home color processing was beyond our reach.
"some system administraitors dispute the distinction" (between 'hacker' and 'cracker'), unless they just mindlessly lump them all in the same catagory as 'unprofessional computer tinkerers' - hacking, or rightly put, 'experimenting' is an essential part of learning, (sometimes by mistake or trial and error) and needn't be kneejerkingly associated with malevelant criminals.
Yeah, I've been quietly chuckling to myself about all the 'hazards' and 'dangers' of sitting in front of a monitor with a keyboard and a mouse:) Warning!! Dangerous Web Site Ahead!!!
Other than driving someone bezerk, the only dangers are a little obesity and maybe eye strain.
Kinda reminds one of the 'good ol' days' of book burning, censorship, burning at the stake by the authorities - see 'Fahrenheit 451' (foreign translation 'Centigrade 233') - to save people from 'dangerous ideas'. The authorities hate that, not because it's bad for people, but because it threatens their authority.
Well, first thing, I'm 40:) and old enough to appreciate ease of use, such as the disk admin and printer systems. But the promised land of ease of use just never seems to live up to the marketing hype the phb's buy into. Usually mgmt is happy as long as the users at the terminal just endure it and don't complain.
Next, the potential savings I refered to was just client access licenses, not Linux on the end user desktop. The average IT customer can still use whatever they're comfortable with to freely access many Linux servers, w/o any extra training overhead.
Just a quick quote from the 5/31 "Network Computing" mag: "Unlike the controversial Microsoft-funded studies released by Mindcraft, we discovered only negligible performance differences between the two for average workloads. Our tests showed that, depending on the degree of tuning performed on each installation, either system could be made to surpass the other slightly in terms of file-sharing performance. But examining the cost difference between the two licenses brings this testing into an entirely new light.
ALSO - I notice your argument is basically the old stale "impune the user/customer" tactic, i.e., NT is perfect, if you're experiencing problems it's YOUR fault, the user or Admin is clueless, blahblah. Yeah, right. The most tightly written part of NT is the product liability disclaimer that's evolved to protect M$ from customers using this excellent work of art.
Essentially, I grew tired of being an unpaid/unwitting crash test dummy for M$ stuff; If I pay for a license and it doesn't work out of the box I'm not going to waste my time mucking around with something that's going to obsolesce in 3 years - I'd rather muck around with an old standard that at least acts sane.
Well, here's one MSCE that's doing more than just looking; I love the ways Linux services, like BIND/named for example, once I get thru the hassle of setting up, just runs, and runs, and runs w/o a glitch.
Now, my NT4/SP3 servers are basically pretty stable (you must have PERFECT hw) but a VP just asked about having to hit 'reload' to update pages - I explained it was WinGate page cacheing, but offered to switch it off. Unchecked the 'cache' box and saved changes, about 20 minutes later nobody could work thru the proxy and we got a house call from Dr. Watson, the service had stopped. They asked "what happened" I said "I Dunno", restarted the service and it's A-ok now. Embarassments like that happen all the time here. The only time I get 'strange weird glitches' in Linux is when I don't know what I'm doing, but 'oddities' pop up all the time in M$ stuff - I just say, "Hey, I don't write the crap, we just buy permission and install it." Rebooting clears up most of it.
Incident earlier today was a Win95 box hosting a printer stopped; event viewer revealed it couldn't renew it's DHCP IP lease for some reason. Back to manual control! In other incidents, I've had two other networks complete stop because the DHCP server got corrupted jet databases. I know it is recommended to manually make backups of the DHCP lease databases, but Why, unless M$ just wants to create extra 'make work' for admins to be kept busy continuously mopping up after this slop.
Chuck
Office 2000 on Monday, wooho. Now we can create documents the could have been created on a 1985 edition of "WordStar" and sent it to people in Office2Grand format and make them feel obsolete and behind the times.
Not being a programmer (I can write a "hello world" from memory on a good day) but having compiled many kernels, it was pretty easy to edit ip_options.c and recompile. In fact, using the other methode, I'd still be downloading an 18Mb "service pak" or a small "hotfix" from source code central & Fort Knocks, days afterward (and that's IF the supreme dictators decide it's in THEIR best interest to divert limited resources from other projects to address the issue).
I've still got my old Altair 8800, just dusted it off and made fresh dumps of the MITS BASIC onto audio CD's - (bragbragbrag) but it doesn't qualify as 'still in use'.
Emulators SHOULDN'T be illegal - running stolen ROM images on them is - I wish the gove would stop transgressing our liberties to enforce unenforcable laws.
a slow news night. Gotta be a nervous program director to have a 1/2 hr to fill and nothing interesting to keep ratings up. It's amazing the blather that fills up channel space.
Sounds like it might be fairly trivial to get somebody's retina scan - Don't know anything about it but the article sounded like you just stand there - does one have to put there eye up to something like looking into a microscope to be verified?
of course, on what you mean by 'infinite' - by ANALOGY we say that the infinite is LIKE a very large number, but by at least one definition, infinite means 'having no size at all', it is 'sizeless and spaceless'. But PRACTICALLY, we usually mean infinite to be more than one can count, reckon, comprehend, use, or need. A seeming infinite disk space or address space is one that, while still finite, is larger than you need at the moment or can ever forsee needing. Certainly there could be enough capacity created to handle the entire earth's population (over 6 bill isn't it now?) getting online with virtually plenty of room to spare.
I was just reading some oooold Scientific American's from the mid 50's with ads for drum memory units - big Industrial strength monsters - with a whopping 2200 bits / sq. in. Whaahahaha. One model could store 600K bits Eeeehehehe. @^) No wonder they decided to leave off the '19' in year fields, geeze.
will a large outfit like AOL *really* buy into open source if they use it in a major project like set-top boxes, and release the source code of it to everyone ?? Will people buy internet client appliances if 'every hacker/cracker on earth knows how it works'? Or will AOL court test the GPL license and build derivitive works on one and keep it private?? (So sue me!) It would be a public relations disaster to us, for sure, but to the clueless masses of aoler's? I guess the way they give out sign up disks, a free, easily clonable aol client is just what they want, to sell eye-balls to advertisers.
Can #1 be for real?? 13,000 wired hosts per 1,000 inhabitants? Sounds a little 'inflated' to me - did somebody misplace a decimal point on their survey? Otherwise there must be warehouses chock full of servers.
BTW - we're #41 Woo-Hoo! (thought it would be worse, actually - but houses are affordable)
They grew some, too - nice big FreeBSD box used to have 2000 ftp client limit; currently it's 2254 out of 5000 and serving along nicely. Walnut Creek Software.
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There's the rub - my current policy on software politics is that the 'fault' lies with the person who 'chose' the software to use - really, read any license agreement, like what comes with IIS4 "software is provided AS IS, without warrenty or guarentee of usability or marketability", that gets M$ off the hook. The poor IT admin who is forced to maintain a system, who didn't recommend or choose the stuff sure isn't. In fact, I'm trying to work up a sysadmin disclaimer for my own protection - to the effect of "Ok, YOU, the employer, want to run this brand, or choose this brand because it's the default selection or what 'everyone and his brother' appears to be using, I'll work with it BUT there are limits on what I'll be responsible for; if the people who write and market this stuff won't be held liable for defects in the product I'll be darned if I'll be the fall guy!". Anyway, where I work we have all the usual glitches and hiccups, and I make it patently clear: I didn't write this garbage, I just install it, tweak it - everytime you guys fall for the email worm da jour I just sit at my FreeBSD box quietly chuckling to myself, hehehe.
Chuck
Hmpf, good think MS left some competitors to blame things on - I'd like to see Ellison and McNealy come out slamming NT/IIS3 - In fact, I've strong reason to think, from what little I've tried, that an old copy of IIS3 or ASP is what broke dragon-drop on my nt box.
Chuck
or at least a long time, I mean like 40+ years. My dad was a photo nut and all his slides from the 40's and 50's are still in great shape, except for one kind (Ectachrome?) w/ organic dyes has a little mildew growth on 'em. I got a pretty cheap scanner to put 'em on a CD rom but the scanned images, tho OK, just couldn't hold a candle to viewing the originals for detail.
We used to work in a darkroom together w/ B&W stuff, a lot of fun - but home color processing was beyond our reach.
Chuck
"some system administraitors dispute the distinction" (between 'hacker' and 'cracker'),
unless they just mindlessly lump them all in the same catagory as 'unprofessional computer tinkerers' - hacking, or rightly put, 'experimenting' is an essential part of learning, (sometimes by mistake or trial and error) and needn't be kneejerkingly associated with malevelant criminals.
Chuck
Yeah, I've been quietly chuckling to myself about all the 'hazards' and 'dangers' of sitting in front of a monitor with a keyboard and a mouse :)
Warning!! Dangerous Web Site Ahead!!!
Other than driving someone bezerk, the only dangers are a little obesity and maybe eye strain.
Kinda reminds one of the 'good ol' days' of book burning, censorship, burning at the stake by the authorities - see 'Fahrenheit 451' (foreign translation 'Centigrade 233') - to save people from 'dangerous ideas'. The authorities hate that, not because it's bad for people, but because it threatens their authority.
Chuck
The Web is mightier than the Bomb!
Well, first thing, I'm 40
Next, the potential savings I refered to was just client access licenses, not Linux on the end user desktop. The average IT customer can still use whatever they're comfortable with to freely access many Linux servers, w/o any extra training overhead.
Just a quick quote from the 5/31 "Network Computing" mag: "Unlike the controversial Microsoft-funded studies released by Mindcraft, we discovered only negligible performance differences between the two for average workloads. Our tests showed that, depending on the degree of tuning performed on each installation, either system could be made to surpass the other slightly in terms of file-sharing performance. But examining the cost difference between the two licenses brings this testing into an entirely new light.
Anyway, different strokes. DOS prompt, ugh.
Chuck
ALSO - I notice your argument is basically the old stale "impune the user/customer" tactic, i.e., NT is perfect, if you're experiencing problems it's YOUR fault, the user or Admin is clueless, blahblah. Yeah, right. The most tightly written part of NT is the product liability disclaimer that's evolved to protect M$ from customers using this excellent work of art.
Essentially, I grew tired of being an unpaid/unwitting crash test dummy for M$ stuff; If I pay for a license and it doesn't work out of the box I'm not going to waste my time mucking around with something that's going to obsolesce in 3 years - I'd rather muck around with an old standard that at least acts sane.
Chuck
Why switch?
Umm, economics? Did you really pay over $100,000 for 3500 client access licenses or should we report you to the SPA?
Chuck
Well, here's one MSCE that's doing more than just looking; I love the ways Linux services, like BIND/named for example, once I get thru the hassle of setting up, just runs, and runs, and runs w/o a glitch.
Now, my NT4/SP3 servers are basically pretty stable (you must have PERFECT hw) but a VP just asked about having to hit 'reload' to update pages - I explained it was WinGate page cacheing, but offered to switch it off. Unchecked the 'cache' box and saved changes, about 20 minutes later nobody could work thru the proxy and we got a house call from Dr. Watson, the service had stopped. They asked "what happened" I said "I Dunno", restarted the service and it's A-ok now. Embarassments like that happen all the time here. The only time I get 'strange weird glitches' in Linux is when I don't know what I'm doing, but 'oddities' pop up all the time in M$ stuff - I just say, "Hey, I don't write the crap, we just buy permission and install it." Rebooting clears up most of it.
Incident earlier today was a Win95 box hosting a printer stopped; event viewer revealed it couldn't renew it's DHCP IP lease for some reason. Back to manual control! In other incidents, I've had two other networks complete stop because the DHCP server got corrupted jet databases. I know it is recommended to manually make backups of the DHCP lease databases, but Why, unless M$ just wants to create extra 'make work' for admins to be kept busy continuously mopping up after this slop.
Chuck
Office 2000 on Monday, wooho. Now we can create documents the could have been created on a 1985 edition of "WordStar" and sent it to people in Office2Grand format and make them feel obsolete and behind the times.
Not being a programmer (I can write a "hello world" from memory on a good day) but having compiled many kernels, it was pretty easy to edit ip_options.c and recompile. In fact, using the other methode, I'd still be downloading an 18Mb "service pak" or a small "hotfix" from source code central & Fort Knocks, days afterward (and that's IF the supreme dictators decide it's in THEIR best interest to divert limited resources from other projects to address the issue).
Keep up the great work guys
Chuck
>If source code is art, how does the uninitiated appreciate it?
The same way the unitiated appreciate a fine wine, Wagner opera or a Renoir painting - they don't.
Maybe the Win2K team will earn a Pullet Suprise?
.....Ch_ch_ch_ch_chuck
"Why yes, I'd LOVE to reboot my pc now!"
Kinda neat poetic justice - altho a Minneapolis based company.
Wondering if Linux would be up to running a ticket/reservation system as well.
Chuck
I've still got my old Altair 8800, just dusted it off and made fresh dumps of the MITS BASIC onto audio CD's - (bragbragbrag) but it doesn't qualify as 'still in use'.
Chuck
Emulators SHOULDN'T be illegal - running stolen ROM images on them is - I wish the gove would stop transgressing our liberties to enforce unenforcable laws.
Chuck
a slow news night. Gotta be a nervous program director to have a 1/2 hr to fill and nothing interesting to keep ratings up. It's amazing the blather that fills up channel space.
Chuck
hmmm still wonder if holding a fake eye up to it would work, cloned by, say, a portrait photographer.
Chuck
Sounds like it might be fairly trivial to get
somebody's retina scan - Don't know anything about
it but the article sounded like you just stand
there - does one have to put there eye up to
something like looking into a microscope to be
verified?
Chuck
of course, on what you mean by 'infinite' - by ANALOGY we say that the infinite is LIKE a very large number, but by at least one definition, infinite means 'having no size at all', it is 'sizeless and spaceless'. But PRACTICALLY, we usually mean infinite to be more than one can count, reckon, comprehend, use, or need. A seeming infinite disk space or address space is one that, while still finite, is larger than you need at the moment or can ever forsee needing. Certainly there could be enough capacity created to handle the entire earth's population (over 6 bill isn't it now?) getting online with virtually plenty of room to spare.
Chuck
I was just reading some oooold Scientific American's from the mid 50's with ads for drum memory units - big Industrial strength monsters - with a whopping 2200 bits / sq. in.
Whaahahaha. One model could store 600K bits Eeeehehehe. @^)
No wonder they decided to leave off the '19' in year fields, geeze.
Chuck
somebody told them to get that buggy, crackerjack marketing FUDcrap outta here. We need some serious software for some serious life/death business.
Only a fool goes into the email server w/o a strategy.
Chuck
will a large outfit like AOL *really* buy into open source if they use it in a major project like set-top boxes, and release the source code of it to everyone ?? Will people buy internet client appliances if 'every hacker/cracker on earth knows how it works'? Or will AOL court test the GPL license and build derivitive works on one and keep it private?? (So sue me!) It would be a public relations disaster to us, for sure, but to the clueless masses of aoler's? I guess the way they give out sign up disks, a free, easily clonable aol client is just what they want, to sell eye-balls to advertisers.
Just thought I'd ask....
I want to own a cultural icon!
Chuck
Can #1 be for real?? 13,000 wired hosts per 1,000 inhabitants? Sounds a little 'inflated' to me - did somebody misplace a decimal point on their survey? Otherwise there must be warehouses chock full of servers.
BTW - we're #41 Woo-Hoo! (thought it would be worse, actually - but houses are affordable)
Chuck
Just 'view page source', seek and ye shall find.
Chuck
They grew some, too - nice big FreeBSD box used to have 2000 ftp client limit; currently it's 2254 out of 5000 and serving along nicely. Walnut Creek Software.
Chuck
Siskel & Ebert give it two thumbs down..
Chuck