Plus, NTs have this tendency towards non-literal usage of language, which tends to be unintuitive outside of the cultural or subcultural context.
The inverse of which is exactly what got Damore into trouble. People read things into it that he hadn't written, because they're used to doing that.
He hadn't written those things, so the people reading them into his work are wrong. Unfortunately he's the one that got sacked for their neurotypical fuckheadedness.
The memo seems somewhat reasonable if you read it in a perfect vacuum and have zero knowledge of the last 100 years of study in the areas of equality, women's rights and diversity.
Ignoring those things made his intentions seem malicious, because
..if you ignore those things and focus on actual equality, you rapidly contradict the narrative because equality is absolutely the last thing proponents of women's rights and diversity seem to want.
Would you say the same if a woman had written something similar, along the lines of women have a better natural grasp of social complexity and therefore women should be the managers, CEOs, heads of government, etc.?
If he'd made flawed assumptions based on misinterpreted facts and statistics then I'd challenge those.
I'd certainly still welcome his attempts to improve the workplace.
you're fragile male ego can't stand the thought that women might actually be better at something than you are
Oh honey, women are a fuck of a lot better at a lot of things than me. Understanding nuanced communication for a start.
That doesn't mean that on an individual level a woman would be better or worse than me at any given job. Shit, I've worked with women that are better than me at some things and been glad for their help. I've worked with women that needed to be sacked for utter incompetence.
Just like men, on the whole. Why are you assuming it's any fucking different?
The blue-chip tech company I was working for at the time had its own diversity initiatives, headed by members of the Exec.
They did things like sign the company up to resources targeted towards helping 'women in technology' and set up internal forums to discuss and address any challenges.
They also invited everybody in the company to all of these things. As a man I was made welcome, I was invited to speak and share experiences, and I was given access to all of the resources.
That's all Google had to do. None of this bullshit.
Great. Find me a well paid job that doesn't require these things then.
Just that, I can succeed in a regular office with regular people, pressure from work is no issue, I've learned how to handle stress (at work and otherwise), programming is fun not exhausting and working with people is something that I (and many other people on the austism spectrum) want to do because we actually like people, enjoy company and find teamwork rewarding.
It's just harder for me than for 'regular' people. Maybe they should fucking acknowledge this once in a while instead of being cunts about it every time.
Mobbing is when someone gets a torrent of harassment when someone targeted them.
He's had a torrent of harassment and multiple major media outlets targeting - and continuing to target him. This isn't just textbook harassment. this could make the dictionary.
He has not reported being harassed.
Maybe that's because unlike the special fucking snowflakes mobbing and harassing him he's got the balls to stand up for himself and deal with this shit.
Maybe it's because he has the sense to know that if he claims harassment everybody will go, "Oh, you pathetic snowflake" and dismiss him, or go "Man up" or "Grow some balls" and dismiss him, or go "You deserve it" and dismiss him, or just fucking harass him some more.
You know, like the cunts at the Mary Sue are doing.
I could write an incredibly thought-provoking essay on race relations, which happened to include "White men, on average, are more: Racist..." and 97.3% of all of you would tune out.
No. We'd either agree, invite you to demonstrate some evidence, or provide evidence to the contrary.
Meanwhile if you were also making recommendations based on your flawed arguments that were intended to make the workplace a more productive and constructive environment for everybody, white, male or otherwise, then we'd explore those recommendations as interesting options.
Let it go man, he fucked up.
Yes. He expected people to respond rationally and with an assumption of positive intent, and instead encountered the emotive cunts that ruin any fucking workplace. Google should've sacked the sad shits that went, "He's making this place so hostile" for being too fucking retarded to engage in modern business.
Maybe that was just because there was too much material to get to boring stuff like that in his 15 minutes of fame.
No, it's because his political leanings are by all accounts very much aligned to the people trying to demonise him, hence the multitude of articles trying to position him with the people they don't like.
I hesitate to say 'conspiracy' but it sure as fuck doesn't look like independent and honest reporting to me.
Yeah, to work out what size mortgage I can afford I'd assume an interest rate around 6% - even though the mortgage I just cleared was being charged at 0.75%.
Google has a whole department trying to address these issues, and Damore's memo actually made that harder.
..by pointing out how shit a job they're doing, and identifying potential ways they could improve.
He's also almost certainly damaged their ability to attract talent; why would any man join Google knowing that they're going to be disadvantaged against their female peers due to explicit corporate policy.
Completely with you on this. I was diagnosed at 40 and haven't disclosed to my colleagues or management team. I have however been able to address some of the social interaction challenges that were causing me workplace problems.
In my personal life I tend to tell people, but if I act like a twat then I'll be treated like one anyway.
The main area it makes a difference is with romantic partners. Saves a lot of time and bullshit to just let her know upfront.
I could solve your grass cutting woes by spraying acid across your lawn. Would you thank me or threaten me with legal action?
Had he contacted them to reveal the existence of the keys and made a claim under the bounty, he'd have been paid.
Instead he's compromised their security using the vulnerability he identified. That's unethical, illegal and he's going to be fucking lucky if they only threaten him.
And, as he pointed out to them, in his response to their threat to prosecute him under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, "you can't find a security problem without first accessing the system".
Does he have permission to use Github? Yes. Does he have permission to use information from Github to connect to DJI servers and explore them? No.
He may have found a vulnerability doing that, but he broke the law to do so. There are ways to do these things legally, and fuck him if he decided to break the law instead.
Someone accuses me of rape, I go straight to the police. Either they're telling the truth, in which case I need to take the punishment, or they're a lying piece of shit that can try and talk their way out of a charge of fraud and/or wasting police time.
Would love to hear the HR response to that - when I was approached in sexual terms by a female underling the HR guidance was, "Well, it's all down to how you feel about the approach."
More cash flowing in than flowing out means profit
Far from necessarily true.
As a basic example, depreciation: Acquire company X for $Y in shares, zero cash out but $Z in assets in. Depreciate 25% of Z over four years and that's additional cash you can bring into the business for zero profit.
Now you have $Z in cash, and you still haven't made a profit.
There is a difference between making a profit and investing it (what Amazon actually did) and not generating adequate revenue to cover costs even before research (what Tesla is doing now),
The key term here is cash flow. Profit is a choice a business can make, cash flow keeps them in business.
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Plus, NTs have this tendency towards non-literal usage of language, which tends to be unintuitive outside of the cultural or subcultural context.
The inverse of which is exactly what got Damore into trouble. People read things into it that he hadn't written, because they're used to doing that.
He hadn't written those things, so the people reading them into his work are wrong. Unfortunately he's the one that got sacked for their neurotypical fuckheadedness.
Rather like the police in Nottingham that will record as a hate crime a man saying 'hi' to a woman. Or a man failing to say 'hi' to a woman.
All she has to do is tell them he's done this because she's a woman and they automatically treat it as a hate crime.
The memo seems somewhat reasonable if you read it in a perfect vacuum and have zero knowledge of the last 100 years of study in the areas of equality, women's rights and diversity.
Ignoring those things made his intentions seem malicious, because
..if you ignore those things and focus on actual equality, you rapidly contradict the narrative because equality is absolutely the last thing proponents of women's rights and diversity seem to want.
The majority of up-voted comments are conservative an support him.
What makes you think they're conservative? I'm reading a lot of comments that don't reveal any political preference.
Would you say the same if a woman had written something similar, along the lines of women have a better natural grasp of social complexity and therefore women should be the managers, CEOs, heads of government, etc.?
If he'd made flawed assumptions based on misinterpreted facts and statistics then I'd challenge those.
I'd certainly still welcome his attempts to improve the workplace.
you're fragile male ego can't stand the thought that women might actually be better at something than you are
Oh honey, women are a fuck of a lot better at a lot of things than me. Understanding nuanced communication for a start.
That doesn't mean that on an individual level a woman would be better or worse than me at any given job. Shit, I've worked with women that are better than me at some things and been glad for their help. I've worked with women that needed to be sacked for utter incompetence.
Just like men, on the whole. Why are you assuming it's any fucking different?
The blue-chip tech company I was working for at the time had its own diversity initiatives, headed by members of the Exec.
They did things like sign the company up to resources targeted towards helping 'women in technology' and set up internal forums to discuss and address any challenges.
They also invited everybody in the company to all of these things. As a man I was made welcome, I was invited to speak and share experiences, and I was given access to all of the resources.
That's all Google had to do. None of this bullshit.
Great. Find me a well paid job that doesn't require these things then.
Just that, I can succeed in a regular office with regular people, pressure from work is no issue, I've learned how to handle stress (at work and otherwise), programming is fun not exhausting and working with people is something that I (and many other people on the austism spectrum) want to do because we actually like people, enjoy company and find teamwork rewarding.
It's just harder for me than for 'regular' people. Maybe they should fucking acknowledge this once in a while instead of being cunts about it every time.
This is then misinterpreted as lack of caring about others
Fuck yes. I spend far too much of my life anguishing about "Do I say sorry, or will that just make it worse?"
He wasn't mobbed
This is almost textbook online mobbing.
Mobbing is when someone gets a torrent of harassment when someone targeted them.
He's had a torrent of harassment and multiple major media outlets targeting - and continuing to target him. This isn't just textbook harassment. this could make the dictionary.
He has not reported being harassed.
Maybe that's because unlike the special fucking snowflakes mobbing and harassing him he's got the balls to stand up for himself and deal with this shit.
Maybe it's because he has the sense to know that if he claims harassment everybody will go, "Oh, you pathetic snowflake" and dismiss him, or go "Man up" or "Grow some balls" and dismiss him, or go "You deserve it" and dismiss him, or just fucking harass him some more.
You know, like the cunts at the Mary Sue are doing.
I could write an incredibly thought-provoking essay on race relations, which happened to include "White men, on average, are more: Racist..." and 97.3% of all of you would tune out.
No. We'd either agree, invite you to demonstrate some evidence, or provide evidence to the contrary.
Meanwhile if you were also making recommendations based on your flawed arguments that were intended to make the workplace a more productive and constructive environment for everybody, white, male or otherwise, then we'd explore those recommendations as interesting options.
Let it go man, he fucked up.
Yes. He expected people to respond rationally and with an assumption of positive intent, and instead encountered the emotive cunts that ruin any fucking workplace. Google should've sacked the sad shits that went, "He's making this place so hostile" for being too fucking retarded to engage in modern business.
I heard ZERO indictments of him about his political leanings
https://qz.com/1055466/the-alt... basically calls him a liar when he denies being 'alt right'.
Then there are the suspicious string of articles all basically going, "Damore is an alt-right [hero|martyr]":
https://www.theguardian.com/co...
https://www.usatoday.com/story...
https://www.recode.net/2017/8/...
https://www.huffingtonpost.com...
https://www.vox.com/culture/20...
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
http://www.newsweek.com/who-ja...
http://nymag.com/selectall/201...
Maybe that was just because there was too much material to get to boring stuff like that in his 15 minutes of fame.
No, it's because his political leanings are by all accounts very much aligned to the people trying to demonise him, hence the multitude of articles trying to position him with the people they don't like.
I hesitate to say 'conspiracy' but it sure as fuck doesn't look like independent and honest reporting to me.
I looked at bitcoin at $35 and though, "nah, bubble" so didn't buy.
By that reckoning you're a financial genius and I'm the idiot, so you should feel quietly and righteously smug. :)
Yeah, to work out what size mortgage I can afford I'd assume an interest rate around 6% - even though the mortgage I just cleared was being charged at 0.75%.
The extra cash? Just save it.
...by making unfounded arguments, due to failing to understand the material he would cite.
No, you're referring to his analysis and proposals around improving the workplace to make it more accessible to all employees.
The reason he was even exploring those themes is the failure to provide an accessible workplace in the first place.
Google has a whole department trying to address these issues, and Damore's memo actually made that harder.
..by pointing out how shit a job they're doing, and identifying potential ways they could improve.
He's also almost certainly damaged their ability to attract talent; why would any man join Google knowing that they're going to be disadvantaged against their female peers due to explicit corporate policy.
Fuck that.
Completely with you on this. I was diagnosed at 40 and haven't disclosed to my colleagues or management team. I have however been able to address some of the social interaction challenges that were causing me workplace problems.
In my personal life I tend to tell people, but if I act like a twat then I'll be treated like one anyway.
The main area it makes a difference is with romantic partners. Saves a lot of time and bullshit to just let her know upfront.
I could solve your grass cutting woes by spraying acid across your lawn. Would you thank me or threaten me with legal action?
Had he contacted them to reveal the existence of the keys and made a claim under the bounty, he'd have been paid.
Instead he's compromised their security using the vulnerability he identified. That's unethical, illegal and he's going to be fucking lucky if they only threaten him.
And, as he pointed out to them, in his response to their threat to prosecute him under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, "you can't find a security problem without first accessing the system".
Does he have permission to use Github? Yes. Does he have permission to use information from Github to connect to DJI servers and explore them? No.
He may have found a vulnerability doing that, but he broke the law to do so. There are ways to do these things legally, and fuck him if he decided to break the law instead.
You're making assumptions there. My phone offers fingerprint recognition, but you wouldn't be able to use my fingerprint to unlock it.
Same situation for face recognition.
Surely the invoice will come from a Stress Management Service anyway, making it a legitimate expense under corporate health & safety.
Grad students don't get tuition waivers "given" to them. They earn them
..which is why they're being asked to pay tax on their earnings.
This is a tax hike on people making minimum wage.
$80k is minimum wage? You just said yourself they're earning that..
Someone accuses me of rape, I go straight to the police. Either they're telling the truth, in which case I need to take the punishment, or they're a lying piece of shit that can try and talk their way out of a charge of fraud and/or wasting police time.
Would love to hear the HR response to that - when I was approached in sexual terms by a female underling the HR guidance was, "Well, it's all down to how you feel about the approach."
More cash flowing in than flowing out means profit
Far from necessarily true.
As a basic example, depreciation: Acquire company X for $Y in shares, zero cash out but $Z in assets in. Depreciate 25% of Z over four years and that's additional cash you can bring into the business for zero profit.
Now you have $Z in cash, and you still haven't made a profit.
Be an interesting vehicle choice in ATS - where 500 mile journeys are well under the average distance I try to deliver.
There is a difference between making a profit and investing it (what Amazon actually did) and not generating adequate revenue to cover costs even before research (what Tesla is doing now),
The key term here is cash flow. Profit is a choice a business can make, cash flow keeps them in business.