Sorry, just how many millions of British people have lived abroad for more than 15 years? Are they really being disenfranchised by being prevented from voting in a referendum about a country that they haven't lived in for a decade and a half?
700,000 is the number stated in court. So rather fewer than the 'several millions' you're quoting. Less relevantly, even if all of them voted, and voted 'remain', the referendum result would still have been to leave.
undemocratic
Evidence? Come on, stop throwing random accusations around, I'm hearing nothing but childish whining so far.
Sorry but when someone is so imbecilic that they can't comprehend the difference between social classifications and statistical measures then it's not my job to babysit them.
You are talking utter nonsense and you need to go and learn. That is my reasoned response, based on you ignoring me pointing out the above difference. That's your problem, not mine. Deal with it.
What would be the point of the former if each party could choose the later? Seriously, the point is to reach a consensus, not get what YOU want.
erm. Actually yes, the point of negotiation is to get what you want.
The negotiation is to find common ground so that all parties can get what they want, and everybody's happy. At no point does this presuppose that all parties must agree at the end.
Haven't you heard the term, "Negotiations broke down..." ?
Tell you what, I'll buy your car for $4. Lets negotiate - you can probably bargain me as high as $7, but I wont go beyond that.
Accepting this negotiation outcome? Or walking away? Oh look, reality just intervened.
Freedom of movement and freedom to travel are very different.
Most people have no issue with tourists, it's immigration that causes so much fuss. So EU citizens crossing the Irish border are a non-issue unless they want to live, work and/or take advantage of social support structures in the UK, and that's the bit that's unlikely to be retained.
Worse case Northern Ireland becomes an easy target for terrorists seeking to target the UK. But they're kind of used to that over there.
Really? You think the British can outvote 27 other nations?
On some matters, yes - we have a veto. On the rest? No. Multiple times the British Government has been outvoted and forced to adopt legislation it didn't want.
Negotiations are good. Being unable to walk away and reject the outcome is not. Since the little decisions wouldn't go our way, we took the big one. We're walking away, and we'll make our own law, take our own decisions, and we wont have to negotiate with corrupt cunts in Europe to do it.
2. Is the UK not allowed to create trade agreements with the EU countries?
Well, the UK already has trade agreements with the EU countries. Until/unless Article 50 is invoked those remain and any renegotiation will be done as a group.
Invoking Article 50 specifically triggers negotiations seeking an agreement. It's not illegal for the agreement to be reached on the first Thursday following invocation, it's just rather very unlikely.
May has rejected a Norway style agreement, and rejected retaining freedom of movement.
Yes, the EU would love it, because it barely changes anything. That's why it's not acceptable and wont happen.
And yeah, the Spanish must be doing something pretty astonishing to have no already attracted massive investment, given their current levels of unemployment and need for foreign money. It's a bit strange.
That means trade with the EU must work as if the UK were still a member. That means a huge free trade agreement needs to be secured ASAP.
I think most 'leave' voters would be very happy with that. Trade was never the issue.
I suspect we'll retain the data protection legislation too - it's good for the public, it's good for companies working in and with the EU, and it's clearly good for our other trade agreements too. Really it's only the US that hate data protection.
On age, at a population level, young voted in, old voted out. On education, at a population level, people with degrees voted in, people without voted out.
Is there any evidence that old people with degrees voted in too? That the breakdown of voting amongst both age groups with or without degrees was any different?
Just that due to the devaluation of a university degree over the past two decades, there are a lot lot more 'young' people with a degree than old ones. So the age bias may account for the education bias.
I'm curious, because amongst my 'old' friends with degrees the voting broke down on gender lines, not educational ones. The men all voted out, the women all voted in. The women all shouted at the men, the men sat there going, "what the fuck woman?"
So is there a breakdown of voting by education that controls for age?
The problem with this is that we did not vote to leave
Please, don't be a major fucking cockwomble.
In any modern democracy major constitutional change such as leaving the EU requires a majority in all regions and all citizens have the right to vote.
What, like a vote to dissemble the Union that's been around for several hundred years? I'd call that pretty fucking major and yet because I live in another part of the Union and not Scotland I didn't get to vote to kick the whiny shit stirring twats out.
Now they want out again, so that they can hand all sovereignty to unelected shitstains like Juncker in Brussels. The SNP is a fucking tartan joke.
Meanwhile, the British people voted very unambiguously on a very clearly worded question to them in a legally constituted referendum.
They voted to leave. LEAVE. We're leaving. I'll be dancing in the fucking streets. If you're there, let me know and I'll happily laugh in your face because I'm truly fucked off with cunts telling the British people they're not allowed to be British.
the EU is legally prevented from negotiating with the UK about when happens after the UK has separated from the EU until after the UK has lef
Which legislation is that? I'm not sure that's the case.
Shit, there's constant ongoing negotiation between all EU nations all the time, it'd be rather naive to assume none of it mentions anything post article-50.
Although I guess unworkable legislation has never been an issue for the EU.
the populations wanted all of the benefits with none of the responsibilities
That is such utter ridiculous nonsense. Tell me, are you feeling embarrassed and ashamed for actually writing it or should we call a mental health professional?
Oh, come on. $2 buys a loaf of bread that'll feed a family of four lunch for two days. Add butter and cheese or some sort of spread.
$2 buys 4 gallons of milk, add a $4 box of cheerios and everybody has breakfast for 2-3 days.
Ready made meals are under $5 for four. You really can't cook more cheaply with fresh ingredients? Find a proper grocer!
I can feed myself for £2/day although if I go as high as £4 that lets me throw in luxuries. $37/week for an obese adult, and that's without properly economising, e.g. building a diet around rice, pasta, etc. This is in the UK where food is more expensive than the US.
$80 for a family of 4-5 might be tight, but my point holds: Cable TV is a fucking massive chunk of discretionary funding and anybody that can prioritise that ahead of food is definitely not 'poor'.
Sure, but then you're talking about software engineering, not exploiting a vulnerability quickly and effectively.
If you're writing Nessus then you're in the sweet spot of both, but for a targeted zero-day, people want shit that works.
Look at is another way: Do you want a top-end mathematician making their unique and innovative algorithm work, or do you want someone that productionises that?
Yep, that's piss all right. Tastes like it too. Carry on.
Seriously, just refuse to work for cunts that force you to take urine tests. Tell them to fuck off - everybody does that, we can return to civilisation.
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Sorry, just how many millions of British people have lived abroad for more than 15 years? Are they really being disenfranchised by being prevented from voting in a referendum about a country that they haven't lived in for a decade and a half?
700,000 is the number stated in court. So rather fewer than the 'several millions' you're quoting. Less relevantly, even if all of them voted, and voted 'remain', the referendum result would still have been to leave.
undemocratic
Evidence? Come on, stop throwing random accusations around, I'm hearing nothing but childish whining so far.
We're trying hon, we're trying.
Sorry but when someone is so imbecilic that they can't comprehend the difference between social classifications and statistical measures then it's not my job to babysit them.
You are talking utter nonsense and you need to go and learn. That is my reasoned response, based on you ignoring me pointing out the above difference. That's your problem, not mine. Deal with it.
What would be the point of the former if each party could choose the later? Seriously, the point is to reach a consensus, not get what YOU want.
erm. Actually yes, the point of negotiation is to get what you want.
The negotiation is to find common ground so that all parties can get what they want, and everybody's happy. At no point does this presuppose that all parties must agree at the end.
Haven't you heard the term, "Negotiations broke down..." ?
Tell you what, I'll buy your car for $4. Lets negotiate - you can probably bargain me as high as $7, but I wont go beyond that.
Accepting this negotiation outcome? Or walking away? Oh look, reality just intervened.
Freedom of movement and freedom to travel are very different.
Most people have no issue with tourists, it's immigration that causes so much fuss. So EU citizens crossing the Irish border are a non-issue unless they want to live, work and/or take advantage of social support structures in the UK, and that's the bit that's unlikely to be retained.
Worse case Northern Ireland becomes an easy target for terrorists seeking to target the UK. But they're kind of used to that over there.
Really? You think the British can outvote 27 other nations?
On some matters, yes - we have a veto.
On the rest? No. Multiple times the British Government has been outvoted and forced to adopt legislation it didn't want.
Negotiations are good. Being unable to walk away and reject the outcome is not. Since the little decisions wouldn't go our way, we took the big one. We're walking away, and we'll make our own law, take our own decisions, and we wont have to negotiate with corrupt cunts in Europe to do it.
2. Is the UK not allowed to create trade agreements with the EU countries?
Well, the UK already has trade agreements with the EU countries. Until/unless Article 50 is invoked those remain and any renegotiation will be done as a group.
Invoking Article 50 specifically triggers negotiations seeking an agreement. It's not illegal for the agreement to be reached on the first Thursday following invocation, it's just rather very unlikely.
May has rejected a Norway style agreement, and rejected retaining freedom of movement.
Yes, the EU would love it, because it barely changes anything. That's why it's not acceptable and wont happen.
And yeah, the Spanish must be doing something pretty astonishing to have no already attracted massive investment, given their current levels of unemployment and need for foreign money. It's a bit strange.
That means trade with the EU must work as if the UK were still a member. That means a huge free trade agreement needs to be secured ASAP.
I think most 'leave' voters would be very happy with that. Trade was never the issue.
I suspect we'll retain the data protection legislation too - it's good for the public, it's good for companies working in and with the EU, and it's clearly good for our other trade agreements too. Really it's only the US that hate data protection.
I was wondering about this the other day.
On age, at a population level, young voted in, old voted out.
On education, at a population level, people with degrees voted in, people without voted out.
Is there any evidence that old people with degrees voted in too?
That the breakdown of voting amongst both age groups with or without degrees was any different?
Just that due to the devaluation of a university degree over the past two decades, there are a lot lot more 'young' people with a degree than old ones. So the age bias may account for the education bias.
I'm curious, because amongst my 'old' friends with degrees the voting broke down on gender lines, not educational ones. The men all voted out, the women all voted in. The women all shouted at the men, the men sat there going, "what the fuck woman?"
So is there a breakdown of voting by education that controls for age?
The problem with this is that we did not vote to leave
Please, don't be a major fucking cockwomble.
In any modern democracy major constitutional change such as leaving the EU requires a majority in all regions and all citizens have the right to vote.
What, like a vote to dissemble the Union that's been around for several hundred years? I'd call that pretty fucking major and yet because I live in another part of the Union and not Scotland I didn't get to vote to kick the whiny shit stirring twats out.
Now they want out again, so that they can hand all sovereignty to unelected shitstains like Juncker in Brussels. The SNP is a fucking tartan joke.
Meanwhile, the British people voted very unambiguously on a very clearly worded question to them in a legally constituted referendum.
They voted to leave. LEAVE. We're leaving. I'll be dancing in the fucking streets. If you're there, let me know and I'll happily laugh in your face because I'm truly fucked off with cunts telling the British people they're not allowed to be British.
the EU is legally prevented from negotiating with the UK about when happens after the UK has separated from the EU until after the UK has lef
Which legislation is that? I'm not sure that's the case.
Shit, there's constant ongoing negotiation between all EU nations all the time, it'd be rather naive to assume none of it mentions anything post article-50.
Although I guess unworkable legislation has never been an issue for the EU.
the populations wanted all of the benefits with none of the responsibilities
That is such utter ridiculous nonsense. Tell me, are you feeling embarrassed and ashamed for actually writing it or should we call a mental health professional?
Q1 - Is the British Government sovereign in any and all decisions about how to run the country while in the EU.
Q2 - Can the UK sustain net immigration each year of 300,000 people, and can this be avoided while staying in the EU?
Any more questions, because those are the only two that fucking matter.
Google translate suggests 'dissemination protocols'.
Catchy website name, I can see why they both want it.
Oh, come on. $2 buys a loaf of bread that'll feed a family of four lunch for two days. Add butter and cheese or some sort of spread.
$2 buys 4 gallons of milk, add a $4 box of cheerios and everybody has breakfast for 2-3 days.
Ready made meals are under $5 for four. You really can't cook more cheaply with fresh ingredients? Find a proper grocer!
I can feed myself for £2/day although if I go as high as £4 that lets me throw in luxuries. $37/week for an obese adult, and that's without properly economising, e.g. building a diet around rice, pasta, etc. This is in the UK where food is more expensive than the US.
$80 for a family of 4-5 might be tight, but my point holds: Cable TV is a fucking massive chunk of discretionary funding and anybody that can prioritise that ahead of food is definitely not 'poor'.
Not only is it not obvious, it's also wrong.
Go to fucking school or something.
Yeah. Median is a statistical measure, and middle when applied to class is a social status.
Just what the fuck do they have in common exactly?
Cheap and accessible? $80/month just for the cable is not cheap. That's a week's food for a family.
That level of discretionary spend isn't poverty.
That's a rather academic view of the world.
Business project decisions are run by fear, ambition, good intent and politics.
If you've ever put together a business case you'll understand just how much the finances actually matter.
People bleating about wages gaps always gloss over the study that found that 70% of domestic spending is done by women.
Sure, but then you're talking about software engineering, not exploiting a vulnerability quickly and effectively.
If you're writing Nessus then you're in the sweet spot of both, but for a targeted zero-day, people want shit that works.
Look at is another way: Do you want a top-end mathematician making their unique and innovative algorithm work, or do you want someone that productionises that?
One comes before the other.
The real test of computer hacking is: Does your code achieve its objective.
I don't give a shit how elegant, performant or maintainable a piece of code is if it runs once. I care that it works.
These days people use a mix of tools, but nmap remains useful and fantastic.
he gets a pee test every month
Yep, that's piss all right. Tastes like it too. Carry on.
Seriously, just refuse to work for cunts that force you to take urine tests. Tell them to fuck off - everybody does that, we can return to civilisation.