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Japan Goes Public With Brexit Demands, Says Data Flow Deals Must Be Protected (arstechnica.com)
Kelly Fiveash, writing for ArsTechnica:UK Prime minister Theresa May said at the weekend that she wanted to take her time to secure the best trade deals for a post-Brexit Britain, and reiterated -- in her trademark vague terms -- that the so-called Article 50 won't be triggered this year. But political pressure from governments as far away as Japan continues to mount. On Sunday, in a bold move, the Japanese government published a 15-page memo setting out a number of demands it wants the UK to adhere to, once it leaves the European Union. It underscored that Britain faces a torrid time of negotiations -- not just with member states in the EU, but further afield, too. Japan, which has close economic ties with the UK, listed its demands based on requests from businesses in the country. It said; "It is of great importance that the UK and the EU maintain market integrity and remain attractive destinations for businesses where free trade, unfettered investment, and smooth financial transactions are ensured." It's brutal stuff from Japan, and could well lead to other countries making similarly robust demands. On tech specifically, the Japanese government called on the UK and EU, post-Brexit, to maintain cloud agreements between businesses at an international level, by safeguarding the "free transfer of data."
... invoke Article 50 first, leave, and then we will talk about special trade deals. You voted to leave, so leave already.
Leaving the EU was a huge mistake. The old, who voted for it out of xenophobia, will be dead by the time we will feel the consequences.
Fuck the working class, let's make money for ourselves by lowering everyone's standard of living to the lowest possible.
Half of Japan's investments into EU have gone into Britain, seeing as a gateway to the EU. Now they are scared shitless that they have bet on the wrong horse. EU tariffs on cars and other products produced in GB means all those factories were built on the wrong side of the channel.
You can check out any time you like
But you can never leave!
Well, looks like we're seeing what the Globalist response is going to be. The UK will be made an example of because they dared go against the Globalist agenda. I wouldn't expect any other countries to leave the EU, even if they want to. No matter what the benefits to a country who wanted to leave may be, they'll know they'll be treated poorly by the rest of the Globalist elite out of pure spite.
Has, Is And Will Never Be Free. BSDR.
Which can be sunked very easily so be carefully considering better comms.
Dear Japan, thank you for your offer. Upon consideration, we are not interested, but our door is always open in case you'd like to provide another offer. Until then, cheers! UK
Can I make demands too?
I hereby demand that post-Brexit that the UK, through the BBC, continue to produce and distribute Doctor Who and that they continue to air such fine non-BBC-produced series such as Look Around You (2002, 2005).
Speaking of demands related to works of fiction, I wonder what the philosophers of Adams's fictional Cruxwan University (not the one in Laos with a Facebook page, although that one may also be fictional) would demand in a situation like this? A continued absence of solid facts perhaps?
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
People in the UK should make national sovereignty decisions to benefit Japan, I guess. Hasn't that been the problem all along -- citizens of the UK being told that everyone's input about their country matters except their own? Do it for the migrants, the refugees, the Japanese, the big international bankers, the transplanted people from other EU countries, and the rich businessmen in London -- they matter, not you, or your family, or your friends and neighbors.
Remember when Brexit was going to cause worldwide economic collapse, terrorism all across the EU and collapse of society and cannibalism on the streets of the UK? All that happened in the end was a bunch of sniveling and crying from foreigners. Japan can piss off. When they merge with China, maybe anything they have to say about Brexit will have any worth.
any sort of power and shows the flaws of democracy.
bollox..... thanks not as clever a thought as you think, in fact its downright stupid
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
You voted to leave, so leave already.
The problem with this is that we did not vote to leave. Several large regions of the country voted to remain and even worse than that several million British citizens living outside the UK were denied a vote altogether. In any modern democracy major constitutional change such as leaving the EU requires a majority in all regions and all citizens have the right to vote. This is particularly poignant in this case because many of those citizens living outside the UK are living elsewhere in the EU and would in all probability voted overwhelmingly in favour of remaining.
Yeah, but at least we Took Back Control and are free to be bossed around be the whole world instead of just the EU!
The problem with globalism is that it forces wealth-building countries to partner with non wealth-building countries.
Countries become first world nations by allowing their citizens to build and keep wealth. This requires layers of legal system to protect the citizens: laws for safety (protections against rape/murder/theft), property ownership (you can't build on or farm or mine my property), enforcing contracts (I did the work, you must pay), and easy access to business creation (separation of personal assets, &c).
Thus, Nigerians can't build wealth because any warlord would come along and take it.
Thus, circa 1995 it took Kentucky Fried Chicken 7 years of paperwork to open its first chicken outlet in India. India at that time was a 3rd-world nation. (Business creation was onerous.)
For comparison, at that same time, Hong Kong had a huge proportion of the world trade. Hong Kong had no resources, no population workforce to speak of, but easy access to business creation.
There must be little or no corruption for this to work, and this is a frequently overlooked detail. You can't protect the citizens if the police can be paid off, you can't have contract protection if the judge can be paid off, and so on.
If the UK partners with Germany or Norway, wealth building is roughly equal and the economic rationalization holds. A UK worker can reasonably expect to go to Germany to work and build wealth, a German can move to the UK and do the same.
When the UK partners with Poland or Greece, workers from those countries come to the UK, but UK workers can't reciprocate. No one can build wealth in those countries because of corruption in their systems. All the accrued wealth flows from the UK into those countries and is wasted.
The same is true with the US. Partner with Japan, and both countries will benefit: larger total workforce to draw from, more economic opportunities for both sides, and so on. The economic rationalization holds. When the US partners with Mexico or China, all the wealth flows into those countries and is wasted.
Consider: China builds entire cities which go to waste, they spent enormous amounts of capital building the olympic stadium (as did Greece), and none of these has any inherent value. All this money doesn't go to the people, it goes to the government and is wasted. For all the Chinese people that the US has pulled out of poverty, none of it is permanent. If the US pulled out of China over the course of 10 years, the Chinese people would go back to abject poverty.
This is the inherent lie of globalization. The economic rationalization works if both sides allow wealth building, but this is a required assumption that isn't always met. When one side doesn't allow wealth building, the poor countries drag the rich ones down to their level, and everyone is miserable.
Yeah, but at least we Took Back Control and are free to be bossed around be the whole world instead of just the EU!
The UK got out of the EU before it lost all of its wealth. Taking control allows you to pick-and-choose who to partner with, and who not to.
Look to Germany about 10 years from now to see how well they do by partnering with all the non-wealth-building nations on the continent.
I think you'll appreciate the Brexit quite a bit by then.
Leaving the EU was a huge mistake.
Nobody has left yet: the UK is still a member. The biggest mistake so far has been appointing Johnson as foreign secretary. That makes the team leading the country May, Hammond and Johnson and as we all know from Top Gear the team just doesn't work without Clarkson as the recent "China Special" has showed.
I think Japan's point is that they built a bunch of factories and local headquarters in the UK specifically to deal with the European market. That was the big selling point. With the UK no longer being part of the European market Japan is understandably unhappy. So they give the UK two options:
1. The UK makes sure that Japan doesn't lose much by staying there. That means trade with the EU must work as if the UK were still a member. That means a huge free trade agreement needs to be secured ASAP.
2. A lot of Japanese companies will abandon their UK factories and headquarters and build new ones on the continent because staying in the UK is no longer financially sound. The UK loses a whole bunch of jobs and tax income and the Japanese companies lose a whole bunch of sunk money. Nobody wants this scenario.
Of course scenario 1 is hindered by the fact that the EU isn't keen on making trade agreements with a leaving member before the member has even left. So they're pushing for the UK to just invoke Article 50 already so things can get started.
tl;dr: Yes, the door is open - for Japanese companies to leave the UK. If you want to avoid that you'll have to convince them that trade with the EU won't be impacted by Brexit.
USE HOT GRITS WITH STATUE OF NATALIE PORTMAN (NAKED AND PETRIFIED)
Yeah, but at least we Took Back Control and are free to be bossed around be the whole world instead of just the EU!
The Japanese "demands" are nothing more that what a lot of us knew would happen. If the UK leaves the EU a lot of foreign companies will relocate their infrastructure back into the EU. The Japanese can demand all they want but it seems increasingly likely that this unelected PM and her cabinet will drag the UK into an economic dark age simply to control immigration based on the result on an undemocratic vote which excluded millions of UK citizens. Frankly all that remaining part of the single market will do is make it less urgent.
The Japanese are just hoping the UK will go this route because it will make it less painful for them to relocate but at this point I would be astounded if any company manufacturing goods for the EU market locates any new projects in the UK regardless of whether it remains or leaves the single market: why take the risk of the UK changing its mind and leaving completely when you do not have to?
...but does that mean japan wants UK to ensure Japan still has access to all the data from europe, or just UK? If just UK, they are free to hold that up, or not?
1. Japan didn't "demand" anything.
2. Is the UK not allowed to create trade agreements with the EU countries?
It's brutal stuff from Japan, and could well lead to other countries making similarly robust demands. On tech specifically, the Japanese government called on the UK and EU, post-Brexit, to maintain cloud agreements between businesses at an international level, by safeguarding the "free transfer of data."
Japan wants to use the Internet. That's really brutal all right.
Japan, cannot and did not make any demands to Britain. What Japan wanted to know about was its car factory and trading.
Britain has the largest military in the EU it has the capability to destroy Germany overnight. Deutsche bank is the most indebted bank in the world's second only to the oldest bank in the world the Italian bank.
Brussels would not exist if it wasn't for Britain. All this armchair warrior nonsense on here is just that nonsense.
What Britain, says goes end of story.
Send the Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to the G20 Summit to demand details from the UK. The data must flow...
Posting to undo mismod.
Man blir trött av att gå och göra ingenting.
The reality is a two tier EU with France/Germany doing the ruling for the benefit of the richer core countries and the rest being reduced to perpetual bankruptcy and a source of cheap labor for the core countries. Greece being the prime example.
When the data flow stops...
...All eyes will turn to the Brexis. The Baron and the Emperor himself will be forced to deal with us.
Apropos... Barons are from Germany, and Emperors are from Japan... Kismet?
Definition of "undemocratic vote" - any election the left looses.
This vote was not an election and it was loosed upon us by the right so your definition is completely irrelevant.
This was a nationwide one-person one-vote plebiscite. Why is that not compatible with a democracy?
If it had been a one-citizen one-vote plebiscite you would have had an argument but it was not. Millions of citizens were excluded from voting because they lived in the rest of the EU i.e. for exercising one of the major benefits of EU membership. How do you think a plebiscite on cancelling the highest income tax bracket would go if the only people who got to vote were those in the top bracket?
If Japan wants to through boulders in their own ports, they will suffer the most themselves
As an American, I should appreciate the value of gaining independence from a far-off country who taxes you with a less than desired level of legislative representation. But the truth is the American revolution is as unlike the UK/EU situation as you can get. The UK paid some nominal fees in order to have unfettered travel and trade with the European continent. Brexit is going to completely fuck up the UK economy along with many other major world economies. The Japanese aren’t going to sit back and just watch this happen, and the truth is that the rest of the world’s major governments should speak up as well.
Is there a corollary to Article 50 that allows the rest of the EU to kick the UK out? If not, there should be.
The EU should have the power to act in its best interests, including the power to forcefully expel member states that are jerking the union around.
BREXIT - It is what happens when you give uneducated idiots the vote.
Self-importance and self-indulgence is the root of ALL evil.
EVERY single person whining about "negativity" whenever a downside to leaving was mentioned is proof that there were voters who didn't think there were ANY bad consequences of leaving (after all, if it's not supposed to be said or mentioned, then it's not a part of the consideration allowed, ergo does not exist for the argument to leave or stay).
Which would include two names you know: Bojo and Farage.