Maybe, just maybe, the Palestinian people are glad that Hamas aren't just lying down and letting the Israelis mistreat them.
If the only education your kids were getting was cowering in a bunker, they'd be doing rather better than Palestinian children, who are cowering in a bunker, hungry, with no medical supplies, watching their parents getting killed by people that shouldn't be in the fucking country in the first place.
Or did you think the Palestinians were doing this because they like a good scrap over Christmas?
I've had people try and kill me and my family. I've had people around me killed. I've lived in war zones. I don't get scared by this shit. I get angry.
Just because you lack the fucking guts to deal with it don't go killing 300 civilians to make yourself feel better. Cunt.
I don't need to look it up. I know it's a war crime. I'm not trying to defend its legality.
It doesn't excuse the slaughter of civilians by Israel. That's no better than the murder of thousands of unarmed Iraqis by the US. Bombed any weddings lately?
Small arms fire from the vicinity of a school should not ever result in 30 dead children.
Aerial bombing of civilian populations is not justified by mortar and rocket attacks that kill less than a dozen people a year.
Would it be better not to have those rockets firing? Sure. How about finding an appropriate solution that doesn't involve indiscriminate killing?
Israel has never targeted even a single civilian
Now that is just utter proven bullshit. There are a lot of cases of Israeli soldiers targeting civilians, aid workers, journalists..
if such a scenario will ever happen, it will be the end of the human race.
If 2500 rockets fell from the sky and killed 3 people in my country I'd be fucking annoyed if my own government went and killed 300 civilians in response.
If 30 children have to die to kill two people that may or may not have been using small arms to defend themselves in their own fucking country from invaders, then someone somewhere is doing something pretty fucking wrong. And it isn't the Palestinian people.
Israel is doing us all a very big favour indeed, they're hastening the day when nukes get brought out to play. I'm looking forward to it.
About 300 of the more than 670 Palestinians killed so far are civilians, according to Palestinian and U.N. figures. Of those killed, at least 130 are children age 16 and under, says the Gaza-based Palestinian Center for Human Rights, which tracks casualties.
Are you really saying that a 40% collateral damage rate is acceptable?
Are you really suggesting that 300 civilians, including 130 children, are worth killing in response to.. well, how many Israeli deaths? 5? 10? Shit, three of them were friendly fire.
This is not proportionate. This is not moral. This is not accuracy.
This is not even efficient.
One day someone's going to nuke Israel. Palestine will get fucked the same day. At least then it'll be a fair fight.
My father has 8 siblings, and he's not even Catholic. Large families used to be common, even now when you consider the family to include the parents, their siblings, the offspring from all of those and their their partners, suddenly 9 is quite a small family group.
There's a reason weddings tend to be quite large affairs..
I use Logitech mice that come with their own base station to recharge. I've very very rarely had a mouse die on me mid-session, and that's been the sort of "Oh, it's lunchtime. What happened to Breakfast, Dinner and the previous lunch?" session. Even then the mouse charges enough for a few hours use in around the time it takes to visit the loo and make a cup of coffee.
Meanwhile, I don't install the mouse software. I don't need the extraneous buttons/functions so I use the mouse as a standard 2/3 button + wheel mouse and just get on with things. That makes switching PC between home/work/other home/other work/friends/cybercafes much easier as I don't rely on arcane macros.
My first wireless optical mouse went straight back to the shop - the half-second delay when it had gone into 'power save' mode and had to wake up was lethal in gaming.
But beyond that, where one mouse is just slower than another (hardware + software on the mouse + signal transmission + mouse driver in the PC) even a tenth of a second can be noticeable and significant. Especially at the top-end in FPS.
Personally I'm using a Logitech MX Air, on the basis it's functionally excellent and quite beautiful too. Then again, I've bought nothing but Logitech mice for around 12 years now..
Footage of someone enjoying a rape scene because they get off on that particular fantasy is illegal in the UK.
Nobody was harmed. Rape did not occur. The footage is still illegal anyway.
This government is a fascist controlling fucking tyrannical organism working actively against the interests of the British people.
What exactly is murder? What exactly is a graphic depiction of an act in which someone is physically hurting or even killing real people? An Islamic fuckwit beheading someone? A firing squad executing someone? The Singapore government caning someone? The British police beating the shit out of someone that's on the ground, restrained by four policemen?
I've seen all of these on TV, except the beheading, and I utterly fucking demand the right to view that if I choose. I happen to choose not.
I already vote against this government, I already write to my MP on such issues, I already fund a campaign group actively working to prevent bad laws being introduced. If necessary I'll take things further because frankly I'm fucked off and I'm rapidly reaching the point where I've got nothing to lose.
Is video of the execution of Nicolas Coucesceau (sp?) worse than videos of underage sex?
I'm not sure it's possible to reconcile a fundamental belief in the sanctity of human life with that footage and not consider it murder.
Would you suggest it should be banned from being shown on the Internet?
Before you answer, consider this: It was broadcast on public fucking television across fucking Europe.
See also: Footage of the aftermath of a bus bombing in Israel. Post your email address, I'll send you the video. Where did I get it? An Israeli Government site; they posted it because they want people to understand what they did with.
There are grey areas all over the fucking place. Including photography of naked young children. Including violent death. Shit, why does Burnett get to deem these beheadings 'murder' and not 'rightful execution'? Why should they be illegal? Why shouldn't we be able to see the things being done elsewhere?
Is sexual abuse (forced or otherwise) acceptable? No, and it doesn't matter what age the victim is. Is murder correct? No; but who says it's murder.
Clearly you haven't seen the standard of living for bosses in India.
Put the salaries in 'percentage of national average wage', factor in 'number of personal household staff', throw in 'number of properties owned' and you'd find the bosses in Sweden getting a serious payrise.
Moral of this story: Be an exploitative bastard boss.
I get up at 5am in the morning to drive to work. You want me to get up at 4.30 just to drive at an arbitrary limit that applies to cars made 50 years ago that couldn't take a banked curve at 20?
I could, but I resent the amount of my life I'd lose if I did so. I drive 25000 miles a year, if I drove at 10mph slower then I'd have over 80 hours extra driving to do each year. Three days of my life, each year.
I'm willing to risk my own life, and that of others, for three days a year. It's not that big a risk - millions do exactly the same and very few of them die.
I think it's more a case that we're mostly black hat around here when it comes to speeding.
We're not publishing the full details, we're secretly sharing them amongst ourselves so we can take advantage before the patch.
Frankly I'd rather a tenfold increase in deaths to speeding than have speed cameras on the road. My driving is noticeably worse when going past them, and the stress they cause is excessive and unnecessary.
how do you know those acts are illegal anyway? That has not been established (and I don't mean merely proven in court: in fact, there's strong legal precedent supporting the idea that the wiretapping WAS NOT illegal).
Oh please. You'll be telling me there are WMD in Iraq next.
Instead I've asked people to show it DOES present a chilling effect on freedom, and no one's been able to do it.
Hmm. Man does the correct thing and points out illegal activity by the Government (see above).
In response "18 FBI agentsâ"some of them wearing black flak jackets and carrying gunsâ"showed up unannounced".
You don't find that pretty chilling? You don't think that other people spotting illegal activity might think "I'm going to get my friends harassed, my family put at risk of being shot by the police, my freedom threatened"?
If you can't see that as being fairly obvious logical outcomes then you clearly lack the insight, experience and cynicism to engage in this discussion. Kindly stop spamming the forums with your unfeasibly short-sighted views.
Surely the Government has committed treason by committing the illegal acts. You appear to advocate the death penalty for George Bush.
I'd be with you on that one, except that I don't support the death penalty for treason.
Shit, if the US Government refuses to obey the constitution of the United States of America then armed uprising is the only appropriate and measured response. I'm guessing you'd call that treason and demand the death penalty?
You are very good at pointing out gaps in other peoples' arguments, but you've failed hopelessly in arguing that threatening someone with the death penalty for exposing clearly illegal activities is not a chilling effect.
To be fair, burning the paper with the key on it is just Obstruction of Justice with an outside chance of Arson.
Burning the disks with thermite leaves you open to various explosives laws and anti-terror laws. Instead of a couple of months to five years for burning the paper you're in for 12-20.
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Maybe, just maybe, the Palestinian people are glad that Hamas aren't just lying down and letting the Israelis mistreat them.
If the only education your kids were getting was cowering in a bunker, they'd be doing rather better than Palestinian children, who are cowering in a bunker, hungry, with no medical supplies, watching their parents getting killed by people that shouldn't be in the fucking country in the first place.
Or did you think the Palestinians were doing this because they like a good scrap over Christmas?
I've had people try and kill me and my family. I've had people around me killed. I've lived in war zones. I don't get scared by this shit. I get angry.
Just because you lack the fucking guts to deal with it don't go killing 300 civilians to make yourself feel better. Cunt.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940CE6D7123AF933A15757C0A9659C8B63
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/1429096/British-cameraman-shot-dead-by-Israeli-soldiers.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jun/06/israel2
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/889281.html
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/cruises/item.aspx?type=photo&photo_id=0eY4akVfByfWH&tid=05YG14l3Yj8zn&pn=1
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=5480&Cr=unrwa&Cr1=
None of those are Reuters, none of those are BBC.
That is a war crime. You should look it up.
I don't need to look it up. I know it's a war crime. I'm not trying to defend its legality.
It doesn't excuse the slaughter of civilians by Israel. That's no better than the murder of thousands of unarmed Iraqis by the US. Bombed any weddings lately?
Small arms fire from the vicinity of a school should not ever result in 30 dead children.
Aerial bombing of civilian populations is not justified by mortar and rocket attacks that kill less than a dozen people a year.
Would it be better not to have those rockets firing? Sure. How about finding an appropriate solution that doesn't involve indiscriminate killing?
Israel has never targeted even a single civilian
Now that is just utter proven bullshit. There are a lot of cases of Israeli soldiers targeting civilians, aid workers, journalists..
if such a scenario will ever happen, it will be the end of the human race.
This is not necessarily a bad thing.
If 2500 rockets fell from the sky and killed 3 people in my country I'd be fucking annoyed if my own government went and killed 300 civilians in response.
If 30 children have to die to kill two people that may or may not have been using small arms to defend themselves in their own fucking country from invaders, then someone somewhere is doing something pretty fucking wrong. And it isn't the Palestinian people.
Israel is doing us all a very big favour indeed, they're hastening the day when nukes get brought out to play. I'm looking forward to it.
I really do think Israel wants peace
Then why do they continually seek to settle land by displacing Palestinians?
Do they really think that's going to accepted peacefully by one of the most dense populations on the planet?
If you really think Israel wants peace then you must be as stupid as you think they'd have to be to act like this and expect it.
Tell that to Gary Mckinnon.
Better yet, tell it to the cunts in the US that keep trying to fucking extradite him, and to the cocks in the UK that want to let them.
Irrespective of the intent to cause civilian deaths, one side is causing far more than the other.
That's pretty hard to justify.
Anyway, the Israeli civilians aren't civilians. They're an occupying force on land that was taken from the people shooting at them.
It's all in how you look at it..
Your numbers are out of date:
About 300 of the more than 670 Palestinians killed so far are civilians, according to Palestinian and U.N. figures. Of those killed, at least 130 are children age 16 and under, says the Gaza-based Palestinian Center for Human Rights, which tracks casualties.
(from Associated Press, http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gcUECSml8TBNV82UJjUVkYddt2zgD95I95SG2)
Are you really saying that a 40% collateral damage rate is acceptable?
Are you really suggesting that 300 civilians, including 130 children, are worth killing in response to.. well, how many Israeli deaths? 5? 10? Shit, three of them were friendly fire.
This is not proportionate. This is not moral. This is not accuracy.
This is not even efficient.
One day someone's going to nuke Israel. Palestine will get fucked the same day. At least then it'll be a fair fight.
Since the outright ban on handguns was introduced in the UK, gun crime has increased.
Oh well.
Comical, but sadly the slave trade is still ongoing :(
My father has 8 siblings, and he's not even Catholic. Large families used to be common, even now when you consider the family to include the parents, their siblings, the offspring from all of those and their their partners, suddenly 9 is quite a small family group.
There's a reason weddings tend to be quite large affairs..
I use Logitech mice that come with their own base station to recharge. I've very very rarely had a mouse die on me mid-session, and that's been the sort of "Oh, it's lunchtime. What happened to Breakfast, Dinner and the previous lunch?" session. Even then the mouse charges enough for a few hours use in around the time it takes to visit the loo and make a cup of coffee.
Meanwhile, I don't install the mouse software. I don't need the extraneous buttons/functions so I use the mouse as a standard 2/3 button + wheel mouse and just get on with things. That makes switching PC between home/work/other home/other work/friends/cybercafes much easier as I don't rely on arcane macros.
But that's just me.
Response time also matters.
My first wireless optical mouse went straight back to the shop - the half-second delay when it had gone into 'power save' mode and had to wake up was lethal in gaming.
But beyond that, where one mouse is just slower than another (hardware + software on the mouse + signal transmission + mouse driver in the PC) even a tenth of a second can be noticeable and significant. Especially at the top-end in FPS.
Personally I'm using a Logitech MX Air, on the basis it's functionally excellent and quite beautiful too. Then again, I've bought nothing but Logitech mice for around 12 years now..
On a very informed basis, please understand that if this Government ever locks me up for 42 days without charge, people are going to die.
Dead.
Yes, I accept that means the end of my freedom. It'll be fucking worth it.
Footage of someone enjoying a rape scene because they get off on that particular fantasy is illegal in the UK.
Nobody was harmed. Rape did not occur. The footage is still illegal anyway.
This government is a fascist controlling fucking tyrannical organism working actively against the interests of the British people.
What exactly is murder? What exactly is a graphic depiction of an act in which someone is physically hurting or even killing real people? An Islamic fuckwit beheading someone? A firing squad executing someone? The Singapore government caning someone? The British police beating the shit out of someone that's on the ground, restrained by four policemen?
I've seen all of these on TV, except the beheading, and I utterly fucking demand the right to view that if I choose. I happen to choose not.
I already vote against this government, I already write to my MP on such issues, I already fund a campaign group actively working to prevent bad laws being introduced. If necessary I'll take things further because frankly I'm fucked off and I'm rapidly reaching the point where I've got nothing to lose.
Is video of the execution of Nicolas Coucesceau (sp?) worse than videos of underage sex?
I'm not sure it's possible to reconcile a fundamental belief in the sanctity of human life with that footage and not consider it murder.
Would you suggest it should be banned from being shown on the Internet?
Before you answer, consider this: It was broadcast on public fucking television across fucking Europe.
See also: Footage of the aftermath of a bus bombing in Israel. Post your email address, I'll send you the video. Where did I get it? An Israeli Government site; they posted it because they want people to understand what they did with.
There are grey areas all over the fucking place. Including photography of naked young children. Including violent death. Shit, why does Burnett get to deem these beheadings 'murder' and not 'rightful execution'? Why should they be illegal? Why shouldn't we be able to see the things being done elsewhere?
Is sexual abuse (forced or otherwise) acceptable? No, and it doesn't matter what age the victim is.
Is murder correct? No; but who says it's murder.
Stop imposing your own fucking morals on us.
My mortgage, gas bill, electricity bill, local government taxes and water bill between them come to more than your gross salary.
I don't have any land to grow food, and hunting for food in this country is not a viable option.
Living that simply just frankly isn't even a choice available to many people.
Clearly you haven't seen the standard of living for bosses in India.
Put the salaries in 'percentage of national average wage', factor in 'number of personal household staff', throw in 'number of properties owned' and you'd find the bosses in Sweden getting a serious payrise.
Moral of this story: Be an exploitative bastard boss.
I get up at 5am in the morning to drive to work. You want me to get up at 4.30 just to drive at an arbitrary limit that applies to cars made 50 years ago that couldn't take a banked curve at 20?
I could, but I resent the amount of my life I'd lose if I did so. I drive 25000 miles a year, if I drove at 10mph slower then I'd have over 80 hours extra driving to do each year. Three days of my life, each year.
I'm willing to risk my own life, and that of others, for three days a year. It's not that big a risk - millions do exactly the same and very few of them die.
I think it's more a case that we're mostly black hat around here when it comes to speeding.
We're not publishing the full details, we're secretly sharing them amongst ourselves so we can take advantage before the patch.
Frankly I'd rather a tenfold increase in deaths to speeding than have speed cameras on the road. My driving is noticeably worse when going past them, and the stress they cause is excessive and unnecessary.
how do you know those acts are illegal anyway? That has not been established (and I don't mean merely proven in court: in fact, there's strong legal precedent supporting the idea that the wiretapping WAS NOT illegal).
Oh please. You'll be telling me there are WMD in Iraq next.
Instead I've asked people to show it DOES present a chilling effect on freedom, and no one's been able to do it.
Hmm. Man does the correct thing and points out illegal activity by the Government (see above).
In response "18 FBI agentsâ"some of them wearing black flak jackets and carrying gunsâ"showed up unannounced".
You don't find that pretty chilling? You don't think that other people spotting illegal activity might think "I'm going to get my friends harassed, my family put at risk of being shot by the police, my freedom threatened"?
If you can't see that as being fairly obvious logical outcomes then you clearly lack the insight, experience and cynicism to engage in this discussion. Kindly stop spamming the forums with your unfeasibly short-sighted views.
Bush -- The man has now been all-but castrated
So close to simple justice :(
Surely the Government has committed treason by committing the illegal acts. You appear to advocate the death penalty for George Bush.
I'd be with you on that one, except that I don't support the death penalty for treason.
Shit, if the US Government refuses to obey the constitution of the United States of America then armed uprising is the only appropriate and measured response. I'm guessing you'd call that treason and demand the death penalty?
You are very good at pointing out gaps in other peoples' arguments, but you've failed hopelessly in arguing that threatening someone with the death penalty for exposing clearly illegal activities is not a chilling effect.
Is this a guaranteed way for them to put you in jail
Yes.
And no, we're not fucking happy about it.
To be fair, burning the paper with the key on it is just Obstruction of Justice with an outside chance of Arson.
Burning the disks with thermite leaves you open to various explosives laws and anti-terror laws. Instead of a couple of months to five years for burning the paper you're in for 12-20.