Like it or not, WND is one of the most popular news sites around;
Right-oh. Do you mention that because you like & read WND? or because popularity is an important factor in deciding what's news and what's not news?
So continue to pretend you have a point here, if it makes you feel better.
No dude, whatever - you won! I feel totally out-argued by your inescapable logic. (and even using sarcasm here, is really just further admitting just how wrong I was).
I'm sure you're perfectly aware of the numerous sites out there that "quote" Taco, or Scuttlemonkey or whatever, either totally falsely or so out of context that it twists the intended meaning.
If I were google, I wouldn't bother refuting every nutjob out there either.
What color is the sky in your world?
*rolls eyes*
Is that really the best you can come up with to support your case?
(and you didn't tell me if you liked my journal or not)
What we probably have here is pressure (who doesn't doubt it didn't go down like this) from a foreign organisation to shut down something that's legal under Swedish law. (The torrent files themselves contain no copyrighted information).
Is this going to permanently shutdown thepiratebay.org? I doubt it.
Is this going to help the Pirate Party's chances for election in the September elections and be detrimental to the content oligopolist's interests in the long run? Hell yes.
Mildly offtopic, if TPB is shutdown, the thing I'm going to miss most is their 'legal' section (with legal threats + responses) - here's one of my favorite responses (via google cache):
I have the distinct pleasure of informing you that no Swedish trademark and/or coypyright law is being violated, regardless of how the situation may or may not be under UK law. I would advise you to read up on Swedish trademark law, more specifically Varumarkeslag (1960:644), as this might save you a great deal of future humiliation.
I would also advise you to a) not write the subject all in UPPERCASE, as it makes spam filters go nuts b) not attach meaningless data from trademark registrys in PDF format and c) stop lying.
Move the goalposts much? First, you said this was about opinion. Then you said it was about a single point of view. NOW you say it is about single "issue." Are you done changing your mind about what this is about?
Cute - I said one pov (anything to have a dig at the muslims) - its perfectly clear that's a bit narrower then the extremely broad examples of pov you used. Go back and read that front page you so kindly linked to and you will see that I am correct - they do push that pov.
Further, if I'm "moving the goalposts" then so are you with your change of language to "specific ideologies" *rolls eyes*
ignoring the actual fact that they were banned for what Google calls "hate speech,"
Waaah, waaah, waaah - cries the hate-mongerers. We've been kicked, quick, use some leftist language about censorship to try and confuse everyone.
I'd have some sympathy for your points, but google has stopped indexing all sorts of sites that aint news. Noone complained apart from the hate sites, noone believed the hates sites apart from a bunch of whiney republican fanbois who're annoyed that google donates to Democrats more than Repbulicans.
Again, I ask you - please link to where Google said they've kicked anyone for hate speech. Otherwise, we're both just speculating about google's intentions, based on a site that deliberately distorts the facts to suit its agenda.
Stallman's answer in 1985 was to create F/OSS software, not to outlaw proprietary software, nor to use unlawfully copied proprietary software. F/OSS was and is able to compete in the marketplace.
Hmmmmn, good point - my analogy was flawed.
Now let's look at DRM. DRM is a flawed, ultimately unworkable attempt to control copying of "content" files. If the FSF had a workable alternative to DRM, then they should put it forth and let it compete for our hearts and minds and dollars.
DRM can be used to protect any digital file - including software. It affects the FSF directly (DRM measures can remove some freedoms granted by the GPL) and is a legal and social problem, there is no technical solution.
Better yet, if they want to work a political angle, why not work on/against legislation such as the DMCA? Why waste the effort on DRM, which in my estimation is going to turn out to be one of the big non-issues of the century.
I take your point that the DMCA is the whip that enforces DRM, but the FSF is going working on the DMCA, not too mention even more dangerous items, like the wipo netcast treaty, and software patents.
Just 'cause they're attacking DRM doesn't mean they've forgotten everything else!
[oss zealots] are no more credible than any other type of zealot
Hmmmmn, I'm not sure I'd agree. RMS would fit my description of a zealot - and even tho' I don't agree with him all the time, I've always found him to be honest, self consistent, straightforward, convincing. All the things I would call credible.
The author of the article flat out lies however - how on Earth are the FSF trying to control artist's lyrics or notes:
No DRM system ever told an artist what notes to play or what lyrics were OK to sing. But the FSF seems intent on doing just that.
Generally speaking, free software 'zealots' are more credible then pro-drm 'zealots' as the pro-drm zealots are paid to defend the indefensible, whereas the free software zealots are defending what they believe to be freedoms.
The Author presents the market as being able to solve the DRM 'problem' (or at least decide whether its acceptable):
For starters, market realities right here in the United States put the lie to the FSF's histrionics. Apple's iTunes Store, which sells DRM-encoded music and videos to millions of iPod owners, is going like gangbusters. Clearly, despite DRM's widely discussed inadequacies and regular aggravations, more than a few consumers are willing to put up with it when the price is right. That's just basic free-market economics.
Well, thanks Neil McAllister, I bet you would also have advised Mr Stallman that the market would sort out software in 1985? I think he would have said something like:
For starters, market realities right here in the United States put the lie to the FSF's histrionics. Software vendors such as Microsft and IBM which sell closed source software to millions of businesses, are going like gangbusters. Clearly, despite closed source's widely discussed inadequacies and regular aggravations, more than a few consumers are willing to put up with it when the price is right. That's just basic free-market economics.
If the author wants to attack the FSF for being anti-DRM, more power to them (although, frankly I question the motivations of anyone who's pro-drm.
But, the author trys to present FSFs anti DRM as a new thing:
far removed from its own stated first principles. In particular, the FSF's moralistic opposition to DRM (digital rights management) technologies,
Which just isn't true - stallman wrote in his GNU Manifesto:
I consider that the golden rule requires that if I like a program I must share it with other people who like it. Software sellers want to divide the users and conquer them, making each user agree not to share with others. I refuse to break solidarity with other users in this way.
You can see pretty clearly how DRM fits in there - and if you don't believe in DRM on software, why on earth would you for content?
Slashdot Mirror
If you truly believe that windows is easier to install then linux, then you haven't installed windows or linux recently (and I would suggest neither).
I apologize for calling you a shill - even if it is late.
You're not.
Missing option: tourists. I like your sig though :c)
:-/ every spring is the same.
Ik ook!
I wish I had a cattleprod going through the zeedijk sometimes
(but the question was one of several on the website I linked to, used to verify you were old enough to play Leisure Suit Larry 3.)
I was definitely not 18 when I played it, and neither was I American enough to know the answers to many of the questions, so I cheated.
:-) [even if the mods didn't :( ]
Hahahahaha, likewise.
I'm glad you (and others who replied) got the joke
Like it or not, WND is one of the most popular news sites around;
:-)
Right-oh. Do you mention that because you like & read WND? or because popularity is an important factor in deciding what's news and what's not news?
So continue to pretend you have a point here, if it makes you feel better.
No dude, whatever - you won! I feel totally out-argued by your inescapable logic. (and even using sarcasm here, is really just further admitting just how wrong I was).
PS. I'll allow you to have the last word
A quote without backup is still a claim.
I'm sure you're perfectly aware of the numerous sites out there that "quote" Taco, or Scuttlemonkey or whatever, either totally falsely or so out of context that it twists the intended meaning.
If I were google, I wouldn't bother refuting every nutjob out there either.
What color is the sky in your world?
*rolls eyes*
Is that really the best you can come up with to support your case?
(and you didn't tell me if you liked my journal or not)
Both demophobia and agoraphobia are fear of crowds.
Incorrect. Demophobia is fear of crowds, agoraphobia is a fear of openspaces (and/or crowds).
Um, Google used it.
Please link to where google says that then - not some nebulous site that claims it.
We can argue round in circles as much as you like, until you show me that google has said this, I aint gonna believe it.
There was a distinct pattern of calls that lead up to 911 and other attacks.
Can you please provide a source for that statement?
That sounds like terrorist talk to me!
require any sort of registration or 'title'.
I believe by "Title" the gp meant Barrister, QC, attorney, etc.
If he's in a country that doesn't know what a QC is, and gets a letter from a QC, he's going to write back saying "I have no idea what QC means"
Quite right,
I should have said less necessary, not unnecessary!
I agree you should not be eating chilean sea bass - however, when used without the prefix "Chilean" it refers to another species.
;-)
Sea Bass are often overfished tho', so I modify my statemnent to:
"I'll be here all night, try the sustainably farmed organic mediterrean salmon!"
I guess Microsoft isn't the only proprietary software company trying vendor lock in
or "Serves Apple right for having an (aero) glass lift, instead of an aqua lift!"
or "I wonder if someone overapplied thermal paste to the hydraulics?"
or "NEVER EVER ride first generation hydraulic lifts, everyone knows that."
or "Thank GOD it wasn't a vista lift!"
or "Stuck in a glass Elevator - experience agoraphobia, demophobia and claustrophobia at the same time!"
Thanks, thanks, I'll be here all night, try the sea bass!
Note that their program would invalidate Creative Commons and the GPL as well.
:-)
Note that Creative Commons and the GPL would not be neccessary if their program was successful
What we probably have here is pressure (who doesn't doubt it didn't go down like this) from a foreign organisation to shut down something that's legal under Swedish law. (The torrent files themselves contain no copyrighted information).
Is this going to permanently shutdown thepiratebay.org? I doubt it.
Is this going to help the Pirate Party's chances for election in the September elections and be detrimental to the content oligopolist's interests in the long run? Hell yes.
Mildly offtopic, if TPB is shutdown, the thing I'm going to miss most is their 'legal' section (with legal threats + responses) - here's one of my favorite responses (via google cache): (in response to a threat from Sega europe)
Move the goalposts much? First, you said this was about opinion. Then you said it was about a single point of view. NOW you say it is about single "issue." Are you done changing your mind about what this is about?
Cute - I said one pov (anything to have a dig at the muslims) - its perfectly clear that's a bit narrower then the extremely broad examples of pov you used. Go back and read that front page you so kindly linked to and you will see that I am correct - they do push that pov.
Further, if I'm "moving the goalposts" then so are you with your change of language to "specific ideologies" *rolls eyes*
ignoring the actual fact that they were banned for what Google calls "hate speech,"
Waaah, waaah, waaah - cries the hate-mongerers. We've been kicked, quick, use some leftist language about censorship to try and confuse everyone.
I'd have some sympathy for your points, but google has stopped indexing all sorts of sites that aint news. Noone complained apart from the hate sites, noone believed the hates sites apart from a bunch of whiney republican fanbois who're annoyed that google donates to Democrats more than Repbulicans.
Again, I ask you - please link to where Google said they've kicked anyone for hate speech. Otherwise, we're both just speculating about google's intentions, based on a site that deliberately distorts the facts to suit its agenda.
PS. Do you like my journal?
DRM - as a concept - is just a logical progression of copyright law. I think you'll find there's a lot of people who are pro-copyright.
Copyright expires, DRM doesn't.
I think you'll find that there's a lot of people who are pro-copyright & anti-drm.
There is a store where we "legally" can buy non-DRM'ed music?
emusic?
amazon?
(I understand what you mean)
Stallman's answer in 1985 was to create F/OSS software, not to outlaw proprietary software, nor to use unlawfully copied proprietary software. F/OSS was and is able to compete in the marketplace.
Hmmmmn, good point - my analogy was flawed.
Now let's look at DRM. DRM is a flawed, ultimately unworkable attempt to control copying of "content" files. If the FSF had a workable alternative to DRM, then they should put it forth and let it compete for our hearts and minds and dollars.
DRM can be used to protect any digital file - including software. It affects the FSF directly (DRM measures can remove some freedoms granted by the GPL) and is a legal and social problem, there is no technical solution.
Better yet, if they want to work a political angle, why not work on/against legislation such as the DMCA? Why waste the effort on DRM, which in my estimation is going to turn out to be one of the big non-issues of the century.
I take your point that the DMCA is the whip that enforces DRM, but the FSF is going working on the DMCA, not too mention even more dangerous items, like the wipo netcast treaty, and software patents.
Just 'cause they're attacking DRM doesn't mean they've forgotten everything else!
Hmmmmn, I'm not sure I'd agree. RMS would fit my description of a zealot - and even tho' I don't agree with him all the time, I've always found him to be honest, self consistent, straightforward, convincing. All the things I would call credible.
The author of the article flat out lies however - how on Earth are the FSF trying to control artist's lyrics or notes:Generally speaking, free software 'zealots' are more credible then pro-drm 'zealots' as the pro-drm zealots are paid to defend the indefensible, whereas the free software zealots are defending what they believe to be freedoms.
But, the author trys to present FSFs anti DRM as a new thing:Which just isn't true - stallman wrote in his GNU Manifesto:You can see pretty clearly how DRM fits in there - and if you don't believe in DRM on software, why on earth would you for content?
In any event, I appreciate what appear to be your honest answers to my questions.
;-p
Likewise - but I'll almost certainly be back to my same old self in the morning!
'night
Hmmmmn, a large part of your post appears to be demanding that I supply a solution if I'm going to point out a problem. I'm not.
Do you agree with XP OEM licenses that preclude installing that copy on a different machine?
(and I should have said prohibit reasonable use, not fair use).