It doesn't make sense to you because you're a slash-moron. All legitimate users of MacOS X and of Darwin-x86 get their binary images from Apple to use on their Apple hardware. Just because you don't like the definition of "legitimate" doesn't make you less of a moron.
There's nothing funnier then someone with no understanding of the issue calling everyone a moron! What about the scientific community who recompiled the kernel for peformance / throughput gains? Isn't that a legitimate use?
You can argue that they're better off using linux (and you'd be right), but it doesn't change the fact that there's plenty of people with a legitimate need to recompile the kernel.
By starting with full darwin sources, it would be possible to come up with a version of Mac OS X that would happily run on any clone PC for which there were appropriate drivers
You're correct in this, unfortunately the following is correct too:
By starting without full darwin sources, it would be possible to come up with a version of Mac OS X that would happily run on any clone PC for which there were appropriate drivers
Apple's actions have nothing to do with piracy & everything todo with 'trusted' computing.
All music should be listened to live in an acoustically perfect space, and anyone who disagrees doesn't deserve to have ears.
hahahaha:-) That is funny!
But in seriousness - I didn't make any sort of audiophile claims - I just said, if you can buy better quality at the same price - why not go for better quality?
To Apple, letting a relatively small population of niche scientific users "slim down" the Mac OS X kernel is massively outweighed by preventing the Mac OS X on x86 hacking community from being able to easily and quickly deliver an extremely polished distribution of Mac OS X for non-Apple Intel hardware, instead of the ugly hack they have now.
I guess so. FreeBSD & Linux are crushing Apple in the markets where it's useful to have an open kernel anyway.
Yes, it was covered on slashdot at the time, so you're not telling us anything we don't know.
Perhaps the fact that the vast majority of the comments were "It's a mistake! Apple's not closing Darwin at all!!!" is what led to this being covered again?
- All of the things that are open in Darwin PPC are still open in Darwin x86, with the exception of the kernel and drivers. He doesn't explain what this means to even sophisticated OS X users and administrators in his article; namely, that it means nothing.
Perhaps you missed this part of the article:
Users in demanding fields such as biosciences or meteorology do hack OS kernels to slim them down, alter the balance between throughput and computing, and to open them to the resources of a massive grid.
Sounds pretty useful to sophisticated OS X users to me!
Please note that I would indeed like Apple to actually *announce* major shifts in strategy like this, instead of just thinking it can do it silently.
Me too - then we wouldn't have to get stories like this posted five times on/. before everyone believed them.
1) Whiney OS X Fanboys are no longer going to say "OS X is just as open as linux" (what a stupid argument that was anyway.
2) Whiney Anti-GPL Fanboys are no longer going to point at Darwin saying "see, Apple contributes back without being forced too - why does linux have to be GPLed?"
Me? I'm just going to wait and see how much the discussion changes from the rumour that Darwin was going to close source (see this guy for a typical example.
Will someone else adapt this concept, or does the internet world give up?
How about a third choice - will the internet world try a different method that doesn't involve vigilantism? (and the inevitable chaos that follows a war)
Slightly Offtopic: My email (whineymacfanboy@gmail.com) is in clear text on/. (not hiding behind childish obfuscation), yet I only get one Spam per week that actually makes it into my inbox! I know the flip side of the spam problem is bandwidth wastage, but anyone who's still getting spam in their inbox should install some nice filtering software.
Completely Offtopic: Has anyone else noticed the "Compare prices on YRO Products" link in the "Related links" sidebar? WTF is a YRO product?
Hmmm. Someone named Whiney Mac Fanboy who's unaware of Apple technologies (open source even) that have existed for many many years. Somehow it all makes sense...
I'm a whiney-mac-fanboy, not a whiney-apple-open-source-products-fanboy! (and really, unless you want to setup a streaming server, why in hell would you have heard of this?)
That did mostly answer my question - thanks for that:-)
I guess I have a follow up now - IIRC, there's a couple of central authorities for 'certifying' foods as kosher (one in the US somewhere, and one in Israel)
Does Islam have an equivilant authority? You make halal questions sound very personal choice / decentralized.
Well - I presume it matters to people who want to follow a Halal or Kosher diet.
You're entire ranty comment is a reply to something imagined. The question was asked if this imcompatable with a religious diet. No answer has been given yet and furthermore, noone has suggested the research should stop if someone's offended.
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This is just an anecdote, but I bought an imac the other day & put linux on it! And so's everyone I know!
I couldn't agree with you more.
If you want a cheap laptop, go Dell, HP, packard bell, etc.
If you want a decent laptop, go with sony, mac, thinkpad, etc.
It doesn't make sense to you because you're a slash-moron. All legitimate users of MacOS X and of Darwin-x86 get their binary images from Apple to use on their Apple hardware. Just because you don't like the definition of "legitimate" doesn't make you less of a moron.
There's nothing funnier then someone with no understanding of the issue calling everyone a moron! What about the scientific community who recompiled the kernel for peformance / throughput gains? Isn't that a legitimate use?
You can argue that they're better off using linux (and you'd be right), but it doesn't change the fact that there's plenty of people with a legitimate need to recompile the kernel.
By starting with full darwin sources, it would be possible to come up with a version of Mac OS X that would happily run on any clone PC for which there were appropriate drivers
You're correct in this, unfortunately the following is correct too:
By starting without full darwin sources, it would be possible to come up with a version of Mac OS X that would happily run on any clone PC for which there were appropriate drivers
Apple's actions have nothing to do with piracy & everything todo with 'trusted' computing.
It seems to me that most people moved from Linux to OS X and not the other way around.
Linux's market share is growing, Mac's is not.
Sorry. Your gut feeling is incorrect.
All music should be listened to live in an acoustically perfect space, and anyone who disagrees doesn't deserve to have ears.
:-) That is funny!
hahahaha
But in seriousness - I didn't make any sort of audiophile claims - I just said, if you can buy better quality at the same price - why not go for better quality?
Thanks again for that - it was bloody interesting!
(as an aside, its also nice to be able to ask people of the relevant religions directly, rather then speculate - the internet is a wonderful thing)
To Apple, letting a relatively small population of niche scientific users "slim down" the Mac OS X kernel is massively outweighed by preventing the Mac OS X on x86 hacking community from being able to easily and quickly deliver an extremely polished distribution of Mac OS X for non-Apple Intel hardware, instead of the ugly hack they have now.
I guess so. FreeBSD & Linux are crushing Apple in the markets where it's useful to have an open kernel anyway.
But hey, if people want to make a big deal and say "Mac OS X is now closed!" (what does that even mean?), let them.
I agree "Mac OS X is now closed!" is stupid thing to say. OS X was always closed.
There is no new news here.
/. who have been defending darwin x86 as being open source since its release?
I'm afraid its news to huge numbers of fanbois on
Yes, it was covered on slashdot at the time, so you're not telling us anything we don't know.
Perhaps the fact that the vast majority of the comments were "It's a mistake! Apple's not closing Darwin at all!!!" is what led to this being covered again?
- All of the things that are open in Darwin PPC are still open in Darwin x86, with the exception of the kernel and drivers. He doesn't explain what this means to even sophisticated OS X users and administrators in his article; namely, that it means nothing.
Perhaps you missed this part of the article:Sounds pretty useful to sophisticated OS X users to me!
Please note that I would indeed like Apple to actually *announce* major shifts in strategy like this, instead of just thinking it can do it silently.
Me too - then we wouldn't have to get stories like this posted five times on
This is fantastic news! It means:
1) Whiney OS X Fanboys are no longer going to say "OS X is just as open as linux" (what a stupid argument that was anyway.
2) Whiney Anti-GPL Fanboys are no longer going to point at Darwin saying "see, Apple contributes back without being forced too - why does linux have to be GPLed?"
Me? I'm just going to wait and see how much the discussion changes from the rumour that Darwin was going to close source (see this guy for a typical example.
Can you provide information regarding this? Was this on slashdot? Give me a couple key words and I'll google for more.
Try "Lobbyists Tied to Microsoft Wrote Citizens' Letters"
My favorite result is Dead people write pro-Microsoft letters to governors;
(btw, "microsoft caught astroturfing" gets you the dirt too)
That is the funniest comment I have ever read on /.
I'm not sure what that's supposed to prove, but:
Results 1 - 10 of about 14,800 from slashdot.org for microsoft fox server
(and I aint heard of the "microsoft fox server" either)
I know there's got to be some way to use BS software and reroute things through an Onion style network to fight back.
I think you don't realize just how big the attack on Blue Security was (or the sort of resources the spammers control).
There's probably less then one hundred companies who could've withstood that sort of ddosing. Blue Security wasn't one of them.
Will someone else adapt this concept, or does the internet world give up?
/. (not hiding behind childish obfuscation), yet I only get one Spam per week that actually makes it into my inbox! I know the flip side of the spam problem is bandwidth wastage, but anyone who's still getting spam in their inbox should install some nice filtering software.
How about a third choice - will the internet world try a different method that doesn't involve vigilantism? (and the inevitable chaos that follows a war)
Slightly Offtopic: My email (whineymacfanboy@gmail.com) is in clear text on
Completely Offtopic: Has anyone else noticed the "Compare prices on YRO Products" link in the "Related links" sidebar? WTF is a YRO product?
Hmmm. Someone named Whiney Mac Fanboy who's unaware of Apple technologies (open source even) that have existed for many many years. Somehow it all makes sense...
I'm a whiney-mac-fanboy, not a whiney-apple-open-source-products-fanboy! (and really, unless you want to setup a streaming server, why in hell would you have heard of this?)
But I completely agree with your implication!
Interesting! Thanks.
That did mostly answer my question - thanks for that :-)
I guess I have a follow up now - IIRC, there's a couple of central authorities for 'certifying' foods as kosher (one in the US somewhere, and one in Israel)
Does Islam have an equivilant authority? You make halal questions sound very personal choice / decentralized.
I hope someone can post a non-troll answer.
I hope so too - but as you're the first non-troll reply, so I'm not particularly hopeful....
I hadn't heard of the Darwin Streaming Server before - sounds quite cool from this review
Thanks Apple - nice to see you contributing your own code rather then just grudgingly contributing back derived code!
Does that matter?
Well - I presume it matters to people who want to follow a Halal or Kosher diet.
You're entire ranty comment is a reply to something imagined. The question was asked if this imcompatable with a religious diet. No answer has been given yet and furthermore, noone has suggested the research should stop if someone's offended.
So get off your high horse.
I put emphasis on the word "open" because you seemed to have forgotten what the GP was asking for.
I quote the GP again for your benefit Most players can't play open formats, and it doesn't make a huge difference for consumers.
I agree most players can't play open formats - that's probably why the GP said it would be innovative.
Apples lossless format is free and easy to use.
As noone's disputed that, I have no idea why you're bringing it up.
I've seen ajax a few times....
But I usually don't inflict tired jokes on the slashdot audience (oh, wait, I do all the time, sorry)