There's a difference between a homebrew, enthusiast effort, and a large, multinational throwing their support behind running Android on their devices. If something doesn't work on the enthusiast effort, then no biggie. If something doesn't work on the corporate effort, then there's a big problem, and consumers are not going to be happy.
I agree, I think this is just Microsoft shifting the burden to everyone else in the US. I was just pointing out that there is precedent for companies putting pressure on their suppliers to make sure certain things comply with US law.
If our middle class standard of living must decline - as I believe it must - let the beneficiaries be the creation of a middle class somewhere else. We'll all be better off in the long run.
No, fuck that. The middle class in the US has been in decline for far too long. The US middle class needs to be strengthened, not weakened.
Its all about where you stand. Give me minimum wage in the US over the best job in Haiti any day of the week. No one in the US is starving. That is not true everywhere else.
This statement shows how incredibly retarded you are. Yes, a minimum wage job in the US is going to pay better than most jobs in Haiti. But you know what? It costs a fuckload more to live here in the US than it does in Haiti. You're still going to be incredibly poor making minimum wage in the US.
You know, the time is getting ripe for another try. Nothing helps the Communist cause as much as unfettered capitalism.
He's full of shit except on this point. If the workers over there can unite, and get strong worker protections, then they'll be better off, and a lot of the incentive to ship jobs over there will be gone. It might not disappear completely, but it would probably make it so a lot of the better manufacturing jobs come back.
Most of the world would kill to live in this "shambles economy". Our homeless are better fed than most of the world's middle class. With what I can pull out of a dumpster here in the US, I'd be upper class in some parts of the world.
So fucking what? You'd still be dirt poor in the US. You can't compare standards of living around the world. It doesn't fucking work. Someone who's struggling to survive here isn't going to be comforted by the idea that they are still richer than someone working in a factory in China. Because that person is still struggling to survive where they live.
Globalization may have put a serious dent into our standard of living, but considering how fat Americans are, we can afford to take the hit.
Not really. And of the Americans that can afford to take the hit, they aren't the ones taking the hit. If you're surviving on $10,000/year in the US, that may make you rich compared to the rest of the world, but it still makes you dirt ass poor in the US, where it actually matters.
I used to work in a US based help desk line, and I would routinely give fake names. Especially if you saw on the ticket history that the person would get angry.
That's assuming you didn't get sued out of business by Microsoft. Its very possible that the amount of the penalty is enough to make you decide your business is no longer profitable, and just fold up. Now not only is your business gone, but all of your employees are out of work. All because Microsoft was too damn lazy to police their own damn copyrights.
And I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that, for most of these companies, Microsoft software, even if they were to use it legit, is not a huge expense to them, comparatively speaking.
In theory, your idea is sound. However, now you are shifting the burden of maintaining Microsoft's copyrights from Microsoft (where it should be) to every other business in the US.
Or... or, and bear with me on this one, cause its kind of out there but, maybe, just possibly, Microsoft could enforce their own damn copyrights, instead of making every other business do their work for them.
Actually, that's not unheard of. Currently, US businesses, or those who wish to do business in the US, have to police their suppliers for several things already, like child labor. And a lot of businesses do keep a pretty close eye on their suppliers, even going so far as to dictate factory changes to them.
It still didn't sell that much, only because it didn't maintain the coolness factor like Apple devices do
Yes, I'm sure that's the only reason, and not the fact that it was not available in any US carrier's store.
People just want to buy good looking devices with simple UIs
What's wrong with that? Simple is good.
They don't use their devices to do the things they are actually able to do (big news!).
Like what? Who are you to tell me what I want to do on my device?
For the record, I'm an Anonymous Coward, because it just is too complicated and boring to set up a Slashdot account (or any web page account for that matter). The OS should provide a general interface for this and the web pages should use it. Computers exist so that we don't have to do these things twice.
In other words, you're lazy. It takes 2 seconds to create an account, and afterward, your browser is going to remember who you are.
I'm not debating that the flow based layouts of Android won't properly scale; quite the opposite, I believe the layout manager I wrote for my phone will scale up (aside from some of the image assets) and fit the tablet view just fine. The thing is, with a tablet, there's a lot more that I could do than just scale everything up. Taking some iPad apps as an example (as I haven't really looked at many Android tablet apps), the sketching apps use the extra space not just for more canvas, but also to introduce persistent color pickers and toolbox panes that stay on the display, instead of having to be launched from a menu. That's an example of better using the extra space.
You can use native C/C++ for both of them, except in certain places. The UI layer, for instance, has to be done using the native language on either platform (objc or java).
I like the mulit-part method names in Objective-C. They tell me what I'm passing in, as opposed to just knowing the type that I'm passing in. And I don't have to declare infinity billion structs to do it your way.
Given the introduction of Android Tablets and Honeycomb, Android devs are going to have to start making two different UI layouts for phone and tablet apps. Mainly because consumers of tablet apps are going to expect you to do something with the extra space a tablet affords other than just making everything bigger. Also, because the tablet versions of the OSes come with new UI controls specifically for tablets.
I hate to agree with the troll, but he's right on that point: UI Layout on Android is sorely lacking compared to the offerings from Apple and Microsoft.
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There's a difference between a homebrew, enthusiast effort, and a large, multinational throwing their support behind running Android on their devices. If something doesn't work on the enthusiast effort, then no biggie. If something doesn't work on the corporate effort, then there's a big problem, and consumers are not going to be happy.
Why the hell not?
Because you keep failing to account for them. You'll talk all day long about wages, but not once bring up costs of living.
"Struggling" Americans don't know the meaning of the word.
You can fuck right off with that, too.
I agree, I think this is just Microsoft shifting the burden to everyone else in the US. I was just pointing out that there is precedent for companies putting pressure on their suppliers to make sure certain things comply with US law.
If our middle class standard of living must decline - as I believe it must - let the beneficiaries be the creation of a middle class somewhere else. We'll all be better off in the long run.
No, fuck that. The middle class in the US has been in decline for far too long. The US middle class needs to be strengthened, not weakened.
Its all about where you stand. Give me minimum wage in the US over the best job in Haiti any day of the week. No one in the US is starving. That is not true everywhere else.
This statement shows how incredibly retarded you are. Yes, a minimum wage job in the US is going to pay better than most jobs in Haiti. But you know what? It costs a fuckload more to live here in the US than it does in Haiti. You're still going to be incredibly poor making minimum wage in the US.
"Workers of the world, unite!"
You know, the time is getting ripe for another try. Nothing helps the Communist cause as much as unfettered capitalism.
He's full of shit except on this point. If the workers over there can unite, and get strong worker protections, then they'll be better off, and a lot of the incentive to ship jobs over there will be gone. It might not disappear completely, but it would probably make it so a lot of the better manufacturing jobs come back.
Most of the world would kill to live in this "shambles economy". Our homeless are better fed than most of the world's middle class. With what I can pull out of a dumpster here in the US, I'd be upper class in some parts of the world.
So fucking what? You'd still be dirt poor in the US. You can't compare standards of living around the world. It doesn't fucking work. Someone who's struggling to survive here isn't going to be comforted by the idea that they are still richer than someone working in a factory in China. Because that person is still struggling to survive where they live.
Globalization may have put a serious dent into our standard of living, but considering how fat Americans are, we can afford to take the hit.
Not really. And of the Americans that can afford to take the hit, they aren't the ones taking the hit. If you're surviving on $10,000/year in the US, that may make you rich compared to the rest of the world, but it still makes you dirt ass poor in the US, where it actually matters.
Getting a fake name.
I used to work in a US based help desk line, and I would routinely give fake names. Especially if you saw on the ticket history that the person would get angry.
That's assuming you didn't get sued out of business by Microsoft. Its very possible that the amount of the penalty is enough to make you decide your business is no longer profitable, and just fold up. Now not only is your business gone, but all of your employees are out of work. All because Microsoft was too damn lazy to police their own damn copyrights.
And I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that, for most of these companies, Microsoft software, even if they were to use it legit, is not a huge expense to them, comparatively speaking.
In theory, your idea is sound. However, now you are shifting the burden of maintaining Microsoft's copyrights from Microsoft (where it should be) to every other business in the US.
Even when the supposed "attack on the person" is pointing out that they might be doing something they have been known to do in the past?
Or... or, and bear with me on this one, cause its kind of out there but, maybe, just possibly, Microsoft could enforce their own damn copyrights, instead of making every other business do their work for them.
Actually, that's not unheard of. Currently, US businesses, or those who wish to do business in the US, have to police their suppliers for several things already, like child labor. And a lot of businesses do keep a pretty close eye on their suppliers, even going so far as to dictate factory changes to them.
Then they should be going after the pirate themselves, not any company which simply does business with them.
It still didn't sell that much, only because it didn't maintain the coolness factor like Apple devices do
Yes, I'm sure that's the only reason, and not the fact that it was not available in any US carrier's store.
People just want to buy good looking devices with simple UIs
What's wrong with that? Simple is good.
They don't use their devices to do the things they are actually able to do (big news!).
Like what? Who are you to tell me what I want to do on my device?
For the record, I'm an Anonymous Coward, because it just is too complicated and boring to set up a Slashdot account (or any web page account for that matter). The OS should provide a general interface for this and the web pages should use it. Computers exist so that we don't have to do these things twice.
In other words, you're lazy. It takes 2 seconds to create an account, and afterward, your browser is going to remember who you are.
I heard about that, but haven't had much time to actually look at it. Is it any good? Is it currently ready for prime time?
I'm not debating that the flow based layouts of Android won't properly scale; quite the opposite, I believe the layout manager I wrote for my phone will scale up (aside from some of the image assets) and fit the tablet view just fine. The thing is, with a tablet, there's a lot more that I could do than just scale everything up. Taking some iPad apps as an example (as I haven't really looked at many Android tablet apps), the sketching apps use the extra space not just for more canvas, but also to introduce persistent color pickers and toolbox panes that stay on the display, instead of having to be launched from a menu. That's an example of better using the extra space.
You can use native C/C++ for both of them, except in certain places. The UI layer, for instance, has to be done using the native language on either platform (objc or java).
I like the mulit-part method names in Objective-C. They tell me what I'm passing in, as opposed to just knowing the type that I'm passing in. And I don't have to declare infinity billion structs to do it your way.
Given the introduction of Android Tablets and Honeycomb, Android devs are going to have to start making two different UI layouts for phone and tablet apps. Mainly because consumers of tablet apps are going to expect you to do something with the extra space a tablet affords other than just making everything bigger. Also, because the tablet versions of the OSes come with new UI controls specifically for tablets.
I hate to agree with the troll, but he's right on that point: UI Layout on Android is sorely lacking compared to the offerings from Apple and Microsoft.
Somehow I don't think that Apple went to T-Mobile. In fact, the only alternative to AT&T I remember hearing about is Verizon.
Yeah, but I highly doubt Sprint wanted to buy Tmo either. Remember the last time they bought a carrier with incompatible technology (Nextel)?
Now that T-Mobile is gone, what's the difference in, say, per message texting rates? Or for that matter, in bulk text message rates?