As opposed to others, like yourself, that seem to think that if an idea doesn't apply to every single last bit of programming, or at least their domain, then it's complete crap. Ignoring the possible applications in the domain it's meant for.
So to you, having a tighter feedback loop means that you don't need to understand your code anymore. I shudder to think of what you'd say about REPLs for Python and the like.
apparently we can't have any dissenting voices essentially pointing out that for WM you didn't need an (official) app store
Probably because this is a completely retarded point. You don't need to use the app store for Android either. However, doing so makes finding software far, far more convenient for users. There's a reason why app sales never really took off until Apple had the integrated store on the phone.
Why shouldn't someone 'give you any shit about you don't have to work for that company'?
Because that's not a fucking answer; that's just trying to sweep the shit under the rug.
Why not go out and start your own company/business?
That's not a fucking answer either.
What give you, an outsider with no skin in that company's game...to tell them how to operate?
Honestly, what gives them any right to do any of that shit?
Again, I think it is a horrible rule...but they are free to do it, it isn't illegal....and no one is holding a gun to anyone's head to go work there.
And I think you're completely wrong. It should be completely fucking illegal. And given the fact that one does have to have a job in order to live in this country, while they may not physically be holding a gun to someone's head, they might as well be.
This bullshit about "you don't have to work there!" does nothing but open the door for excusing all kinds of shitty behaviors.
I'm saying the entitlement generation isn't cognizant or they are at least shocked when the facts of life in the real world hit them.
And I'm saying you're completely wrong. The Entitlement Generation is that of the business owners who think they are entitled to walk all over everyone else, simply because they "own a business". They feel they are entitled to control how their employees behave outside of work. Tell me how that's not entitlement?
Gotta call bullshit on this one. There ARE jobs out there, I know...I've interviiewed and had a hard time finding qualified people. There are jobs to be had, providing YOU are skilled, have worked to be skilled, or can con your way in basically, and once you get in, you bust your ass to learn and perform.
I'm sorry, but the numbers prove you wrong. While there might be jobs in YOUR SECTOR, there are generally not enough jobs for the people looking for them. Honestly, if you were right, why would we constantly be hearing about the unemployment rate and the economy?
Why are you feeling you are 'entitled' to a certain job in a certain area?
I never said I did. I said I was entitled to a fair interview, where the company wasn't going to force me to do shit like give up my Facebook password.
No, he does not, I'm sorry. Because even just that request of asking to see is a violation of my rights, as it implies that he will not hire me if I don't. And because of that, the ability to refuse has been greatly diminished.
Essentially you're saying that someone has the "right" to say no, but employers can get around this. That makes the right completely worthless.
I'm sorry, but no. You are claiming that the employers have more rights than I do. That is simply not true.
An employer has ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to even ask for someone's facebook login. Period. You saying anything else is you saying that employers should be entitled to run our lives outside of work.
I'm sorry, but no. He does not have the right to demand someone give them their facebook in any step of the application process. He simply should not be able to do it at all. Judge the candidate on their technical merit, not on what they like to do on their off time.
I do not see how you can truly believe that I can pour years of my life into an enterprise and if it ever starts making me money I am now bound to watch it get destroyed by any piece of shit that happens to come by and ask for a job.
And I don't see how you can use shit like this to justify your hiring practices.
Never did I say that having your own business makes you a better person.
Your actions clearly have.
I do have a right to what I have earned.
Nobody said otherwise. You however, do not have a right to these shitty, discriminatory hiring practices.
I would change that to say that employers may not ask for any information that is not 100% directly applicable to the work they will be doing. And no, interacting with customers is NOT good enough to be this invasive.
How's the weather up there on your high horse, asshole?
While it's nice to say that, there are still many, many people in those lines of work. And hell, even those who are in lines of work where they aren't easily replaceable are having hard times finding jobs in this economy.
So you keep up with those "feel-good" platitudes that try to shove the problem under the rug, while making yourself feel superior to everyone else. Someday you'll find you're just as vulnerable as the rest of us.
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We haven't had to rely on static build-test-debug-fix-repeat cycles for day-to-day programming in at least 5-6 years!
As far as I know, you do if you're still using C/C++.
As opposed to others, like yourself, that seem to think that if an idea doesn't apply to every single last bit of programming, or at least their domain, then it's complete crap. Ignoring the possible applications in the domain it's meant for.
So to you, having a tighter feedback loop means that you don't need to understand your code anymore. I shudder to think of what you'd say about REPLs for Python and the like.
And, of course, there's the thing with trusting your data with Apple or Google, which I don't.
And if you're using Exchange, you don't have to worry. At least, no more than you would about having to trust Microsoft with your data.
The only problem is you have to go find them first.
Microsoft is forgivable for several reasons
None of which really make up for the shit they did.
On the plus side it does not actually need an app store as you can just get apps from anywhere but the supply of new apps is dwindling fast.
Android doesn't need one either. But using it is far easier than having to search through random sites, hoping to find something close to what I want.
apparently we can't have any dissenting voices essentially pointing out that for WM you didn't need an (official) app store
Probably because this is a completely retarded point. You don't need to use the app store for Android either. However, doing so makes finding software far, far more convenient for users. There's a reason why app sales never really took off until Apple had the integrated store on the phone.
There's absolutely nothing stopping you from running GPL software on Android.
I fail to see any difference.
It is actually really good phone and more open than any other phone platform
I can build Android from source, and run whatever binaries I find and want to run.
but it looks like everyone went the app store route in recent years.
Having an app store in no way precludes being able to run whatever you want. It just gives most users a far, far more convenient way to find software.
Why shouldn't someone 'give you any shit about you don't have to work for that company'?
Because that's not a fucking answer; that's just trying to sweep the shit under the rug.
Why not go out and start your own company/business?
That's not a fucking answer either.
What give you, an outsider with no skin in that company's game...to tell them how to operate?
Honestly, what gives them any right to do any of that shit?
Again, I think it is a horrible rule...but they are free to do it, it isn't illegal....and no one is holding a gun to anyone's head to go work there.
And I think you're completely wrong. It should be completely fucking illegal. And given the fact that one does have to have a job in order to live in this country, while they may not physically be holding a gun to someone's head, they might as well be.
This bullshit about "you don't have to work there!" does nothing but open the door for excusing all kinds of shitty behaviors.
Quite frankly, I believe this is a huge problem.
Nope. If it's in an interview, the only purpose is to gather information. Doing it over small talk is just a less formal way of doing so.
Spoken like someone who's never been unemployed for a length of time.
I suppose, but by not being dicks, most people in-turn are not dicks back.
That is something that a lot of people miss today.
I'm saying the entitlement generation isn't cognizant or they are at least shocked when the facts of life in the real world hit them.
And I'm saying you're completely wrong. The Entitlement Generation is that of the business owners who think they are entitled to walk all over everyone else, simply because they "own a business". They feel they are entitled to control how their employees behave outside of work. Tell me how that's not entitlement?
Gotta call bullshit on this one. There ARE jobs out there, I know...I've interviiewed and had a hard time finding qualified people. There are jobs to be had, providing YOU are skilled, have worked to be skilled, or can con your way in basically, and once you get in, you bust your ass to learn and perform.
I'm sorry, but the numbers prove you wrong. While there might be jobs in YOUR SECTOR, there are generally not enough jobs for the people looking for them. Honestly, if you were right, why would we constantly be hearing about the unemployment rate and the economy?
Why are you feeling you are 'entitled' to a certain job in a certain area?
I never said I did. I said I was entitled to a fair interview, where the company wasn't going to force me to do shit like give up my Facebook password.
No, he does not, I'm sorry. Because even just that request of asking to see is a violation of my rights, as it implies that he will not hire me if I don't. And because of that, the ability to refuse has been greatly diminished.
Essentially you're saying that someone has the "right" to say no, but employers can get around this. That makes the right completely worthless.
I'm sorry, but no. You are claiming that the employers have more rights than I do. That is simply not true.
An employer has ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to even ask for someone's facebook login. Period. You saying anything else is you saying that employers should be entitled to run our lives outside of work.
I'm sorry, but no. He does not have the right to demand someone give them their facebook in any step of the application process. He simply should not be able to do it at all. Judge the candidate on their technical merit, not on what they like to do on their off time.
I do not see how you can truly believe that I can pour years of my life into an enterprise and if it ever starts making me money I am now bound to watch it get destroyed by any piece of shit that happens to come by and ask for a job.
And I don't see how you can use shit like this to justify your hiring practices.
Never did I say that having your own business makes you a better person.
Your actions clearly have.
I do have a right to what I have earned.
Nobody said otherwise. You however, do not have a right to these shitty, discriminatory hiring practices.
After all, employees can always go find another employer if they don't like it, right?
Really? They can? Well lets go tell that to the millions of unemployed! Apparently they didn't realize that.
I would change that to say that employers may not ask for any information that is not 100% directly applicable to the work they will be doing. And no, interacting with customers is NOT good enough to be this invasive.
Someone who delegates something as important as communication to a third party with no incentive (financial or otherwise) to act in their interests
Quite frankly, unless you only speak to people face to face, you do this all the fucking time.
How's the weather up there on your high horse, asshole?
While it's nice to say that, there are still many, many people in those lines of work. And hell, even those who are in lines of work where they aren't easily replaceable are having hard times finding jobs in this economy.
So you keep up with those "feel-good" platitudes that try to shove the problem under the rug, while making yourself feel superior to everyone else. Someday you'll find you're just as vulnerable as the rest of us.