There is absolutely no fucking way that anyone who is in favor of "freedom" or "liberty" can be for this. Do not give me any shit about "you don't have to work for that company", because that is completely irrelevant. This is tyranny by those with power, plain and simple, and everyone who is halfway sane should be against it.
As another poster wrote...it isn't against the law even to ask you about these topics...it is just that they can't use them to not give you a job, but just asking questis about these isn't illegal.
I find it almost impossible to believe that someone asking this question isn't going to use the information gathered from it, even if it's your refusal to answer, in their decision. The idea that it's ok to ask is a stupid one.
I find it incredibly hard to believe that someone who knows that information wouldn't have it weigh in on his decision, even a little bit. The fact they know means that it had some part in the decision.
I don't think what you are talking about falls under any kind of anti-discrimination law.
There could easily be a bunch of information on my profile that does fall under it. Such as any health disorders, my religious beliefs (or lack thereof), my age, etc.
Honestly, that whole thing is completely retarded. The ONLY reason someone would ask that in an interview would be so they could use your answer as a reason to hire/not hire.
Quite frankly, this should be completely illegal. I don't care if they're "asking" for it; at the end of the day, they're still interested in data that would normally require a warrant to get.
Not only should it be illegal for the feds to "ask" in this way, it should be doubly illegal for a business to comply with such requests without a warrant.
you're starting to now have to deal with the entitlement generation
How is it "entitlement" to actually believe that employees have rights too? Or is it back to the whole, "That person has more money, therefore they're better than you" argument?
they don't understand that it isn't their right to have everything they want
And yet, here you are arguing that it is the employer's right to have everything they want. Double Standard much?
but hey, if an employer wants to us these methods to screen people, well, it is my choice to not work for that employer.
Not everyone even has the courtesy of an illusion of choice. For many it's either take this job, or starve.
I think that as the employer, you have the right to ask whatever questions you want.
I don't. And I think such thinking is leading down the path to where your employer has absolute control over your life. And no, not everyone is in the position where they can "just quit", especially when doing so means going to work for some other asshole who has the same ideas.
The idea that employers should be able to do all this shit just because they're the ones with the money needs to die a terrible, terrible death.
That said, I also think the potential employees need to grow a spine and stop answering to unacceptable demands.
While that would be great, the fact of the matter is, not everyone is in a position to do so. Most people place a lot of value on the ability to eat and pay rent.
The answer to, "I'd like to see your facebook profile" is, "and I'd like to be billionaire and not have to go hunting for jobs. We can't all have what we want. I'd also like to not work for someone who would wish to invade my privacy in this way, and that's a goal I can actually achieve. Thanks for your time, but I'm not interested in the job."
And then the unemployment office comes calling, and wonders why you've blown the 3rd interview you've had in the past 2 weeks.
The bigger issue, though, is that most people see the having of a job as the only means by which they can subsist, and so they consider it an extension of the right to life.
Probably because that's true. If most of the people did not have a job, and decided to go on assistance, there would be nowhere near enough to cover it all. So yes, having a job is required to exist.
People should move back a bit and remember you do not have a right to work for me.
I'm sorry, but fuck you. How dare you use shit like this to justify this kind of behavior? I really don't give a shit about any "rights" you think you have with regard to choosing applicants, you should not be able to do shit like this. End of Story.
Really though it is not. If I had spent 5 years doing 100 hour weeks to build a business
I don't give a fuck what you've done. I find it incredibly offensive that you think that somehow makes you better than everyone else, and allows you to bully people around like this, simply because they want to support themselves. You are an awful person, and your business does deserve to fail.
Your rights end where they threaten mine.
None of what you've claimed are "rights". And none of them are being threatened. You're just being an ass.
If I were hiring people to be peace officers, and asked them to show me their Facebook profile during an interview, I would not hire anybody who accepted and let me look at the profile. If they don't understand that it's wrong to search without probable cause to suspect wrongdoing, then I don't want them in that job.
But, like someone above pointed out, they might think they don't have a choice, due to needing the job. You can get all high and mighty with the "you shouldn't ever be in a position where you need a job", or the, "You can always turn it down!", but the fact of the matter is, neither of these things are really true. Especially in today's economy.
Any employer who even thinks of trying this shit should be sued into the ground. There is absolutely no "freedom" here, just the added tyranny of companies using the fact that you require a job in order to support yourself to get you to bend to their will.
That's the rub, though. How are they going to get popular? And don't say because they're open, because the amount of people who care about that is not significant enough to make something popular.
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Not everyone works in IT?
There is absolutely no fucking way that anyone who is in favor of "freedom" or "liberty" can be for this. Do not give me any shit about "you don't have to work for that company", because that is completely irrelevant. This is tyranny by those with power, plain and simple, and everyone who is halfway sane should be against it.
As another poster wrote...it isn't against the law even to ask you about these topics...it is just that they can't use them to not give you a job, but just asking questis about these isn't illegal.
I find it almost impossible to believe that someone asking this question isn't going to use the information gathered from it, even if it's your refusal to answer, in their decision. The idea that it's ok to ask is a stupid one.
I find it incredibly hard to believe that someone who knows that information wouldn't have it weigh in on his decision, even a little bit. The fact they know means that it had some part in the decision.
I don't think what you are talking about falls under any kind of anti-discrimination law.
There could easily be a bunch of information on my profile that does fall under it. Such as any health disorders, my religious beliefs (or lack thereof), my age, etc.
People have this fucked up notion that getting a job is some fantastic gift from heaven.
Part of that is the whole, "I need a job to be able to eat and pay rent" thing.
They're not allowed to make that decision.
Neither would I. But I also enjoy eating, and being able to pay rent.
Honestly, that whole thing is completely retarded. The ONLY reason someone would ask that in an interview would be so they could use your answer as a reason to hire/not hire.
I honestly cannot see how that is any better.
You must work in a country where they actually believe employees are people, and have rights. As in, not the US.
It really, really pisses me off that most of the people here don't remember that, and somehow think that being unemployed is some kind of vacation.
Wow. I think I would like to work there.
Although, it is kinda sad to say that such practices might expose your company legally.
Quite frankly, this should be completely illegal. I don't care if they're "asking" for it; at the end of the day, they're still interested in data that would normally require a warrant to get.
Not only should it be illegal for the feds to "ask" in this way, it should be doubly illegal for a business to comply with such requests without a warrant.
I'm sorry, but I do not believe the ends justify the means on this one.
you're starting to now have to deal with the entitlement generation
How is it "entitlement" to actually believe that employees have rights too? Or is it back to the whole, "That person has more money, therefore they're better than you" argument?
they don't understand that it isn't their right to have everything they want
And yet, here you are arguing that it is the employer's right to have everything they want. Double Standard much?
but hey, if an employer wants to us these methods to screen people, well, it is my choice to not work for that employer.
Not everyone even has the courtesy of an illusion of choice. For many it's either take this job, or starve.
I think that as the employer, you have the right to ask whatever questions you want.
I don't. And I think such thinking is leading down the path to where your employer has absolute control over your life. And no, not everyone is in the position where they can "just quit", especially when doing so means going to work for some other asshole who has the same ideas.
The idea that employers should be able to do all this shit just because they're the ones with the money needs to die a terrible, terrible death.
That said, I also think the potential employees need to grow a spine and stop answering to unacceptable demands.
While that would be great, the fact of the matter is, not everyone is in a position to do so. Most people place a lot of value on the ability to eat and pay rent.
The answer to, "I'd like to see your facebook profile" is, "and I'd like to be billionaire and not have to go hunting for jobs. We can't all have what we want. I'd also like to not work for someone who would wish to invade my privacy in this way, and that's a goal I can actually achieve. Thanks for your time, but I'm not interested in the job."
And then the unemployment office comes calling, and wonders why you've blown the 3rd interview you've had in the past 2 weeks.
The bigger issue, though, is that most people see the having of a job as the only means by which they can subsist, and so they consider it an extension of the right to life.
Probably because that's true. If most of the people did not have a job, and decided to go on assistance, there would be nowhere near enough to cover it all. So yes, having a job is required to exist.
People should move back a bit and remember you do not have a right to work for me.
I'm sorry, but fuck you. How dare you use shit like this to justify this kind of behavior? I really don't give a shit about any "rights" you think you have with regard to choosing applicants, you should not be able to do shit like this. End of Story.
Really though it is not. If I had spent 5 years doing 100 hour weeks to build a business
I don't give a fuck what you've done. I find it incredibly offensive that you think that somehow makes you better than everyone else, and allows you to bully people around like this, simply because they want to support themselves. You are an awful person, and your business does deserve to fail.
Your rights end where they threaten mine.
None of what you've claimed are "rights". And none of them are being threatened. You're just being an ass.
If I were hiring people to be peace officers, and asked them to show me their Facebook profile during an interview, I would not hire anybody who accepted and let me look at the profile. If they don't understand that it's wrong to search without probable cause to suspect wrongdoing, then I don't want them in that job.
But, like someone above pointed out, they might think they don't have a choice, due to needing the job. You can get all high and mighty with the "you shouldn't ever be in a position where you need a job", or the, "You can always turn it down!", but the fact of the matter is, neither of these things are really true. Especially in today's economy.
Any employer who even thinks of trying this shit should be sued into the ground. There is absolutely no "freedom" here, just the added tyranny of companies using the fact that you require a job in order to support yourself to get you to bend to their will.
I'm sorry, but your worthless tripe is devoid of anything the least bit accurate.
If an alternative to android would become available, I'd be more than happy to try it out.
WP7? WebOS? MeeGo?
These alternatives exist.
Further, there is nothing requiring you to give them your personal data.
Because that one area of effort is the most likely to actually affect anything. The others, while free to be pursued, won't amount to much.
As they come out and get popular,
That's the rub, though. How are they going to get popular? And don't say because they're open, because the amount of people who care about that is not significant enough to make something popular.